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Posted by: Siryne

I went into my local At&T store today to buy a 16 GB iPhone. The sales associate brought out the phone and in the process of conversation I asked if she knew anything about the 3G iPhone release. She said "It is coming in June". I asked her if she had this from a reliable source and she said "Yes, we have been told June-we just don't know what day". Naturally, I did not buy the phone.

So take it for what it's worth. I asked them 2 weeks ago and they knew nothing.


Posted by: chrisperro

All the rumors are true,I believe is coming around the same time IPhone1 release last year.


Posted by: SimTech

Let's put some money on it.....


Posted by: LDN2012

makes sense for it to be released with the 2.0 update.


Posted by: nouse4aname699

The Exchange server is the biggest give away i think. It would run so smoothly with 3g.


Posted by: mbranscum

Quote:
Originally Posted by nouse4aname699
The Exchange server is the biggest give away i think. It would run so smoothly with 3g.


Exchange runs fine on any capable phone. That would really not benefit from 3G.


Posted by: No Nothing

I hope it does. But I really wanna know what else the phone will get added to it other than memory and 3G. Anyone?


Posted by: toomer

Quote:
Originally Posted by nouse4aname699
The Exchange server is the biggest give away i think. It would run so smoothly with 3g.


Plenty of phones had Exchange DirectPush, before 3G was commonly available in smartphones.


Posted by: nfl46

Blah! Lol. I have around 7 friends that work at ATT, and they don't know half the stuff I know about the iPhone. Sometimes they tell the customers the 3G iPhone will be released next month. Lol. And their bosses...I have no idea how they got their jobs lol. They know nothing about phones......


Posted by: bodeh6

Dude sales people in general don't know jack about the merchandise they sell.

BTW: Everybody knows it is being announced June 10.


Posted by: dwest218

yes I always feel like the biggest phone geek when I goto Att because either I know too much about phones or they just don't have a clue. More likely the latter.


Posted by: JonnyBruha

Well yeah, product knowledge is the least effective tool used to sell any actual products. That's just Selling 101.

I try not to give them a hard time when they flag me down from their kiosks at the mall though. They're just trying to do their job.


Posted by: nvisi0n

Quote:
Originally Posted by toomer
Plenty of phones had Exchange DirectPush, before 3G was commonly available in smartphones.


I ran DirectPush back in the day with T-Mobile's GPRS with no issues.


Posted by: Siryne

I agree that AT&T sales people don't know jack about the phones or the network. I already knew more from rumor about the 3G release. Thing is... I was about to buy a 16 gig iPhone. The box was on the counter and my amex was ready to go. When we had the conversation that I reported when I started this thread, she said June for 3G iPhone ect. and in doing so, lost herself a $499.00 sale.

Well I hope all the rumor is true anyway. I got rid of my 8GB that I bought on day 1 cause I got fed up with reception problems., so I am anxious to get my iPhone back. So much so, that I almost bought a 16GB today.

So... here's looking for June.


Posted by: Derek Zoolander

The clerk probably learned about 3G on Hofo. it means nothing.


Posted by: Jack T. Chance

And now for a special announcement from Steve Jobs:






Posted by: Importz

will the 3g iphone be the same color as current model or there will be new colors out??


Posted by: ruffdeezy

More than likely Apple will announce the 3G iPhone in June and they actually release it 6 months later.


Posted by: coupey

i simply asked if he was stupid, never did i say he was.


Posted by: muzhik

3g iphone supposed to be slimmer, but that might not be the case...


Posted by: JFLo714

att reps get no idea about a new iphone or anythign with it.....everything we all know about it is coming from readin articles on the web and searching....thats it there is no way she can say "its here in june" ...i dont see them announcing it then releasing 6 monhts later b/c that will hurt sales...i do think they will announce then drop the price of current then a few weeks later release the 3g just so they can clean out most of the inventory.....but as we say in every thread....speculation lol


Posted by: JOldridgeJr

ok. All this talk about 3G vs Edge. What is the difference going to be? I don't get reception now where I live, butI still continue using the iPhone because it's cool phone. I have until Wednesday 4/23/08 to turn in my iPhone if I don't like it. Just bought it last week. Should I return my iPhone and wait for the 3G version or just continue using my current Edge version. Speed doesn't seem to be much of an issue for me when I use Safari, or Google Maps. Will 3G give me better reception for the cell phone part? I assume Edge has nothing to do with my reception, only internet access..right?


Posted by: Wide_opeN

Remember, JOldridgeJr, the iPhone is more than a phone. You'll still be able to use the iPod and Safari.

Those two things alone make the device worth keeping.


Posted by: JOldridgeJr

I really love my iPhone but the reception is lousey. So if I return the iPhone and wait for 3G, that won't make my reception any better? I've been a Verizon user for the past 5 years and I am not sure how Edge and 3G works?
Does Verizon use Edge? I have no compalints about Apple's iPhone...Only AT&T's reception......
John


Posted by: tryn2getaclu

Quote:
Originally Posted by JOldridgeJr
I really love my iPhone but the reception is lousey. So if I return the iPhone and wait for 3G, that won't make my reception any better? I've been a Verizon user for the past 5 years and I am not sure how Edge and 3G works?
Does Verizon use Edge? I have no compalints about Apple's iPhone...Only AT&T's reception......
John

Verizon is CDMA technology and AT&T is GSM technology, the reception of these are not comparable as the signals are completely different. If AT&T's signal in your area is bad, it is bad. It is not likely that the new iPhone will improve your reception. That said, I suggest you ask around your area to others using other phones on AT&T. My brother and his wife both have iPhones in the NY area where AT&T has strong signal. But, their phones tend to drop calls often even though they have consistent 4 bars of signal. There have been many posts about the call quality of the iPhones. many post that call quality improves with the newer firmware versions. Search this forum to learn more. Make sure your iPhone has the latest firmware (1.1.4 I think) and you can search this forum for this too.

It is a possibility that the new iPhone, whenever it comes out, could have a better quality phone and it may have more hardware features (different camera, GPS, etc.) but these are all speculations. No one knows yet with any certainty.

I am a verizon customer and have been for over 6 years. I will get an iPhone but I'll wait at least until my VZW contract expires in July. This will permit me to see what gets released in the way of a newer iPhone and what comes out in the new firmware version and the new applications that should work on the current model. Then I will decide which iPhone I will get. 3G is not in my rural area and is not likely to come here any time soon. But, as I said, the newer phone may have features that won't be on the current one. And, if I do get the 3G I will be able to enjoy that faster data (3G is only for data and not for phone signal) use when I travel into areas that do have the 3G signal.

Hope you find something in here helpful.


Posted by: RNF1968

I'm sure that we can all agree that it IS coming. Just a matter of when. I know, I'm stupid!


Posted by: THETRUTH#34

Quote:
Originally Posted by JOldridgeJr
I really love my iPhone but the reception is lousey. So if I return the iPhone and wait for 3G, that won't make my reception any better? I've been a Verizon user for the past 5 years and I am not sure how Edge and 3G works?
Does Verizon use Edge? I have no compalints about Apple's iPhone...Only AT&T's reception......
John
ITs not att, its been one of the biggest issues with the iphone, as a phone its just not the greatest, (at least for me it wasnt).


Posted by: RogerPodacter

ATT 3G is wCDMA, and verizon uses CDMA. its very similar technology. though the iphone reception might be due to poor hardware rather than any network deficiency. depends on your area too.


Posted by: tryn2getaclu

Quote:
Originally Posted by RogerPodacter
ATT 3G is wCDMA, and verizon uses CDMA. its very similar technology. though the iphone reception might be due to poor hardware rather than any network deficiency. depends on your area too.

I concede to your more technical knowledge Roger and ask this question: Isn't the telephone part ("reception") GSM and not WCDMA? Doesn't the 3G only refer to the data part and thereby make the equivalent of two separate radios? Isn't this how one can be on a phone call AND surf the web simulteneously? If I am correct, wouldn't telling JOldridgeJr about WCDMA (without the GSM clarification) potentially confuse him when the question JOldridgeJr posted was trying to learn about reception relative to 3G as compared to Edge, the iPhone and AT&T signals compared to Verizon's?


Posted by: zephxiii

Quote:
Originally Posted by tryn2getaclu
I concede to your more technical knowledge Roger and ask this question: Isn't the telephone part ("reception") GSM and not WCDMA? Doesn't the 3G only refer to the data part and thereby make the equivalent of two separate radios? Isn't this how one can be on a phone call AND surf the web simulteneously? If I am correct, wouldn't telling JOldridgeJr about WCDMA (without the GSM clarification) potentially confuse him when the question JOldridgeJr posted was trying to learn about reception relative to 3G as compared to Edge, the iPhone and AT&T signals compared to Verizon's?


The iphone (non 3G version) conforms to the GSM standard. Its air interface is TDMA based. WCDMA is the air interface for UMTS/HSPA (3G), and UMTS/HSPA (3G) is not for data only, its for both.. UMTS stands for Universal Mobile Telephone System, HSPA stands for High Speed Packet Access. Yes, there are two radios in a dual tech. GSM/UMTS(HSPA) phone, however that is not the reason why it can do voice and data at the same time, it is because that is a part of the UMTS/HSPA standard.

Also, a phones reception performance depends on how well the antenna part of it was designed, not the technology air interface it uses.


Posted by: tryn2getaclu

Quote:
Originally Posted by zephxiii
The iphone (non 3G version) conforms to the GSM standard. Its air interface is TDMA based. WCDMA is the air interface for UMTS/HSPA (3G), and UMTS/HSPA (3G) is not for data only, its for both.. UMTS stands for Universal Mobile Telephone System, HSPA stands for High Speed Packet Access. Yes, there are two radios in a dual tech. GSM/UMTS(HSPA) phone, however that is not the reason why it can do voice and data at the same time, it is because that is a part of the UMTS/HSPA standard.

Also, a phones reception performance depends on how well the antenna part of it was designed, not the technology air interface it uses.

Thanks for the clarification and education. I hope this better helps JOldridgeJr
with his question. So, the newer version of the phone's reception will be a function of both the the phone tech and the antenna?

As I mentioned, my brother often drops calls even while his phone shows 4 bars of signal (antenna?). Regardless, I hope Apple puts as much attention into the phone/call-quality/reception on the next generation model as they have into the U.I.!!!


Posted by: THETRUTH#34

Quote:
Originally Posted by tryn2getaclu
Thanks for the clarification and education. I hope this better helps JOldridgeJr
with his question. So, the newer version of the phone's reception will be a function of both the the phone tech and the antenna?

As I mentioned, my brother often drops calls even while his phone shows 4 bars of signal (antenna?). Regardless, I hope Apple puts as much attention into the phone/call-quality/reception on the next generation model as they have into the U.I.!!!
we all hope so, because the bottom line is at the end of the day its a phone first, if thats the case just get an ipod touch if u want the multi media part of it. I remember when the iphone came out and plenty switched from verizon over to att, they all said love the iphone but att reception is lousy.
http://www.informationweek.com/blog...ish_iphone.html
here is a interesting thread, lets take at&t out all together and look at how those in europe are complaining about the iphone reception and they have a very mature gsm network.
http://discussions.apple.com/thread...233355&tstart=0
http://www.everythingicafe.com/foru...ption-8047.html
http://www.modmyifone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1727

So i really dont think its an At&t issue.


Posted by: Petey07

Quote:
Originally Posted by THETRUTH#34
we all hope so, because the bottom line is at the end of the day its a phone first, if thats the case just get an ipod touch if u want the multi media part of it. I remember when the iphone came out and plenty switched from verizon over to att, they all said love the iphone but att reception is lousy.
http://www.informationweek.com/blog...ish_iphone.html
here is a interesting thread, lets take at&t out all together and look at how those in europe are complaining about the iphone reception and they have a very mature gsm network.
http://discussions.apple.com/thread...233355&tstart=0
http://www.everythingicafe.com/foru...ption-8047.html
http://www.modmyifone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1727

So i really dont think its an At&t issue.

Wow it sucks to be them, I had the iphone with Tmobile, and it was pretty good through out the usage that i used with tmobile until that POS died on me.


Posted by: coolcellmunda

3g iphone is all a rumour till apple says it is comming everyone is waiting for it .... and so many rumours


Posted by: seancca

I went to a hiring even at the apple store and during a question and answer section someone inevitably asked that. They do not know till like the day before it will be released in the stores. If they told all the retail employee's now it would kill sales of the iPhone. I forget the term for it but it was named after a computer company that did that. Announced a new faster computer that was coming out next year and killed their sales and they could not fund the new computer and went belly up.


Posted by: toomer

Quote:
Originally Posted by seancca
I went to a hiring even at the apple store and during a question and answer section someone inevitably asked that. They do not know till like the day before it will be released in the stores. If they told all the retail employee's now it would kill sales of the iPhone. I forget the term for it but it was named after a computer company that did that. Announced a new faster computer that was coming out next year and killed their sales and they could not fund the new computer and went belly up.


Osborne effect. There's a good write-up about it over on Wikipedia.


Posted by: JOldridgeJr

Hi Guys! Thanks for all your replys and advice. I am currently happy with my iPhone I have now. Edge works just fine for me. I ahve another question? I have been reading that the iPhone has a SIM card? what is that and where would that be on my iPhone?
I have always used Verizon cells and never once used a SIM card?
Thanks.....
John


Posted by: toomer

Quote:
Originally Posted by JOldridgeJr
Hi Guys! Thanks for all your replys and advice. I am currently happy with my iPhone I have now. Edge works just fine for me. I ahve another question? I have been reading that the iPhone has a SIM card? what is that and where would that be on my iPhone?
I have always used Verizon cells and never once used a SIM card?
Thanks.....
John


You may want to give the iPhone user's manual a good read ... it answers questions like this (and the next 3 or 4 you'll probably have as well):

http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/iPhone_User_Guide.pdf


Posted by: ankhie

What do you guys think about this quote?

Quote:
It comes down to an accommodation. Cingular wants an iPhone exclusive and is probably paying Apple money for that privilege. Apple doesn't want Cingular Video. So the only elegant way around that problem is to make the iPhone incapable of operating on the 3G network. If you watch his Macworld keynote you'll notice Jobs says that Apple may eventually make 3G iPhone models. Yeah, right: I'm 100 percent convinced that all it would take to turn an EDGE iPhone into a 3G iPhone is a firmware upgrade, if that.
.

I got it from this old article


http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/...111_001476.html


Posted by: Siryne

I believe the iPhone has been disassembled enough times that if there were a 3G radio or capable chip in there, we would know it.


Posted by: ankhie

^I guess so..I guess it's just my wishful thinking because I JUST got my iphone in Feb. ..


Posted by: zephxiii

Quote:
Apple doesn't want Cingular Video. So the only elegant way around that problem is to make the iPhone incapable of operating on the 3G network.


That is the most ridiculous thing i've read in months lol


Posted by: vdubguy

Lol. I agree with Apple not wanting CV, but that doesn't mean they will continue to make an edge capable phone only. It will just lack CV feature. Much like it lacks MEdia Net. Get it..? Also to the person who said its only a firmware upgrade away from 3G... Not gonna happen lol.. We would have known that back from the original FCC filing.


Posted by: los510

does anybody know how good the reception is in the san francisco bay area? how couold i check?


Posted by: vinvam

Quote:
Originally Posted by los510
does anybody know how good the reception is in the san francisco bay area? how couold i check?


att has a pretty good coverage map
check their website

as for the bay area in general
it's pretty good and most areas get 3g


Posted by: Eckono

Quote:
Originally Posted by LDN2012
makes sense for it to be released with the 2.0 update.


You are absolutely correct. It's going to come packed with everything the originall iPhone has to be upgraded to. It's coming in June or is at least going to be announced in June and released in the VERY near future. All the signs are pointing towards that.


Posted by: RogerPodacter

Quote:
Originally Posted by los510
does anybody know how good the reception is in the san francisco bay area? how couold i check?


i get excellent 3G in the bay area. now this is mostly the peninsula and the city itself, as well as the 101 corridor all the way to san jose, all is blanketed with full 3G for me.


Posted by: Quake97

Quote:
Originally Posted by LDN2012
makes sense for it to be released with the 2.0 update.


I wouldn't be surprised if it comes out before the release of the 2.0 firmware. It was like the software update for the touch and for the Apple TV. It was available on new devices before Apple released it as a download for old devices.

Joe


Posted by: atozfor

apple was developing iphone 2 even before the release of iphone 1.
i think it got be june


Posted by: Wide_opeN

I wouldn't say all that, but you can believe that Apple has definitely been working on it probably for awhile now.

Isn't it amazing the hype surronding Apple and this phone... for the SECOND time.


Posted by: zephxiii

well they forgot the 3G the first time Now after a year of EDGE, its like OMG FINALLY!!!!


Posted by: ATTILA THE HUN

the big question is
1 if 3G with WIFI or they will drop the WIFI
2 3G what band GSM1700?


Posted by: IronCross

Quote:
Originally Posted by ATTILA THE HUN
the big question is
1 if 3G with WIFI or they will drop the WIFI
2 3G what band GSM1700?

1. 3G will be WITH WiFi
2. 3G will be on 850/1900. As far as I know, the North American version will NOT have 1700/2100 bands. There's no point because only T-Mobile runs anything but 850/1900 and the iPhone is not supposed to be on their network.
3. AT&T has given their sales reps NO OFFICIAL WORD whatsoever as to what to tell customers. Anything you hear from anyone is rumor and/or is info they read online.


Posted by: Wide_opeN

Why can't Steve stop torturing us already... lol


Posted by: wot_fan

Quote:
Originally Posted by ATTILA THE HUN
the big question is
1 if 3G with WIFI or they will drop the WIFI
2 3G what band GSM1700?
big question

1. Why would they get rid of WIFI. Once AT&T gets their money for the manditory unlimited data plan, they have what they want. In fact, they would prefer you use WIFI since it frees bandwidth on their 3G network that you would otherwise be using.

Also, think of all the custom apps that are being developed right now that will require access to a company's intranet. These become useless without WIFI.

2. Why would Apple include support for this? The only provider that uses this setup is T-Mobile USA. Since Apple is exclusive to AT&T in the states for the next few years, they have no incentive to add the required hardware/software.


Posted by: RuBiCaNT5X

Does anyone know what the new iPhone screen resolution will be? The old was 480x320, correct? 640x480 or 800x480 would be killer!


Posted by: swiftbmx

Its going to be 1080P and 1TB flash.


Posted by: Zeekme

I think we are going to see more then 1 iphone!


Posted by: steine1988

Quote:
Originally Posted by swiftbmx
Its going to be 1080P and 1TB flash.





OK seriously. Like.....seriously, VGA would be awesome. 32GB would be fanta*******tastic.


Posted by: steine1988

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeekme
I think we are going to see more then 1 iphone!


Like 3G and non-3G? There's already an ipod touch. Why have more than one iphone?


Posted by: vinvam

Quote:
Originally Posted by steine1988
Like 3G and non-3G? There's already an ipod touch. Why have more than one iphone?


probably smaller versions

like one with a smaller screen
almost like the nano phone


Posted by: CingularROX

well, when i logged into InfoManager at work today, they had a little article on the 3g iPhone. It talks about how the phone will be released next month, its going to be slightly bigger then the first iPhone due to having GPS, and the prices of the 8gb and 16gb remain the same. Not really sure how accurate is this info is, but it was posted on our internal website.


Posted by: The Champ

Quote:
Originally Posted by Siryne
I agree that AT&T sales people don't know jack about the phones or the network. I already knew more from rumor about the 3G release. Thing is... I was about to buy a 16 gig iPhone. The box was on the counter and my amex was ready to go. When we had the conversation that I reported when I started this thread, she said June for 3G iPhone ect. and in doing so, lost herself a $499.00 sale.

Well I hope all the rumor is true anyway. I got rid of my 8GB that I bought on day 1 cause I got fed up with reception problems., so I am anxious to get my iPhone back. So much so, that I almost bought a 16GB today.

So... here's looking for June.


If you knew more, why did you go to the store to buy the phone in the first place?


Posted by: Zeekme

Quote:
Originally Posted by steine1988
Like 3G and non-3G? There's already an ipod touch. Why have more than one iphone?


I think there will be a flip version!


Posted by: Eckono

Don't know if this has been posted because I didn't feel like reading through 5 pages of posts, but engadget say an ATT employee forwarded them a memo asking ATT employees not to take a vacation between June 15 and July 12 because of a big summer launch or something to that effect.
It couldnt be more obvious its coming real sson.
I went to the apple store downtown Chicago yesterday to get my iPhone replaced, and the tech at the iPhone bar said they have been told it's coming soon, just not when.


Posted by: untjoker

Quote:
Originally Posted by JonnyBruha
Well yeah, product knowledge is the least effective tool used to sell any actual products. That's just Selling 101.

I try not to give them a hard time when they flag me down from their kiosks at the mall though. They're just trying to do their job.


LOL lack of product knowledge may be cool in your line of sales, but any consumer that is knowledgable about the product will eat your lunch......your version of selling only works on hacks and people who don't know what they're buying........


Posted by: JonnyBruha

...which is 90% of people who buy electronics...


Posted by: Anisoul

Over on modmyifone.com, the speculative date is June 15th. I'm just waiting to see. I'm kind of glad that the EDGE versions have been pulled. I was just about to buy a 16gb version.


Posted by: coolcellmunda

it looks like it will be comming out soon enough after the firmware 2.0 hits the streets

http://www.gadgetworld4u.com/2008/0...on-a-3g-iphone/

this might give people a little more idea


Posted by: mongoos150

Quote:
Originally Posted by Anisoul
Over on modmyifone.com, the speculative date is June 15th.


Sunday release? No.


Posted by: RogerPodacter

i dont wanna start fights. but does anyone remember the lame excuse steve jobs said why there is no 3G in the iphone? chipset size and battery life. now that the 3G iphone is right around the corner, does anyone else see how beyond stupid he sounded when he used that excuse? even if he was just doing his job, it was soooo lame to say that. particularly cause there were many noobs, even in this forum back then, actually agreeing with him and defending him to the death like i was speaking blasphemy. my response was:

"why not just put an on/off option for 3g, with a little note explaining about decreased battery life on 3g?"

and now looky what we have coming up here...<flame suit on>


Posted by: Anisoul

Quote:
Originally Posted by RogerPodacter
i dont wanna start fights. but does anyone remember the lame excuse steve jobs said why there is no 3G in the iphone? chipset size and battery life. now that the 3G iphone is right around the corner, does anyone else see how beyond stupid he sounded when he used that excuse? even if he was just doing his job, it was soooo lame to say that. particularly cause there were many noobs, even in this forum back then, actually agreeing with him and defending him to the death like i was speaking blasphemy. my response was:

"why not just put an on/off option for 3g, with a little note explaining about decreased battery life on 3g?"

and now looky what we have coming up here...<flame suit on>

Completely agree. But I think maybe he wanted to give the First Gen a test run before sending it out in the "full monty"


Posted by: scsiguru

How many actually use the Iphone for data and not voice?? A friend of mine has a Sprint phone that he uses exclusively for his voice phone and only uses his Iphone for data. In fact, he won't even give anyone his Iphone number...wtf??


Posted by: mongoos150

Quote:
Originally Posted by scsiguru
How many actually use the Iphone for data and not voice?? A friend of mine has a Sprint phone that he uses exclusively for his voice phone and only uses his Iphone for data. In fact, he won't even give anyone his Iphone number...wtf??

Stupid waste of money and pocket space.


Posted by: audiosclie

Release date:
Friday 27th

I know a guy who knows a guy who knows this guy who knows me who doesn't know much of anything and that's his prediction.


Posted by: ATTILA THE HUN

Quote:
Originally Posted by scsiguru
How many actually use the Iphone for data and not voice?? A friend of mine has a Sprint phone that he uses exclusively for his voice phone and only uses his Iphone for data. In fact, he won't even give anyone his Iphone number...wtf??


tell your freand to chenge to ipod tuch.


Posted by: absolutic

Quote:
Originally Posted by scsiguru
How many actually use the Iphone for data and not voice?? A friend of mine has a Sprint phone that he uses exclusively for his voice phone and only uses his Iphone for data. In fact, he won't even give anyone his Iphone number...wtf??


That's stupid since Sprint has the leading speeds in data these days with EVDO Rev. A, I would do it the other way around if I was your friend.


Posted by: klowngoblin

Quote:
Originally Posted by mbranscum
Exchange runs fine on any capable phone. That would really not benefit from 3G.


your gonna tell me downloading attachments or emails with embeded documents is going to take the SAME TIME?

EDGE = 200-250kbit (this is friggin DIAL UP SPEEDS)
HSDPA = 3.6mbit (faster than some crappy DSL connections)


Posted by: klowngoblin

Quote:
Originally Posted by absolutic
That's stupid since Sprint has the leading speeds in data these days with EVDO Rev. A, I would do it the other way around if I was your friend.


i would like to see a speed test if tahts ok with you...

are you able to go to this site on your pda? (dslreports)



this was done quite a while ago when Rogers in canada first rolled out its HSDPA, its faster now but i havent taken a screen shot.


Posted by: KDarling

Quote:
Originally Posted by absolutic
That's stupid since Sprint has the leading speeds in data these days with EVDO Rev. A, I would do it the other way around if I was your friend.


People are even taking hacked Sprint ROMs and putting them on Verizon phones, just to get Rev A. They're reporting over 2Mbps downloads.


Posted by: wookiee2cu

Quote:
dont wanna start fights. but does anyone remember the lame excuse steve jobs said why there is no 3G in the iphone? chipset size and battery life.


I thought their excuse was that about only 1% of areas even had 3G available at the time. It was still stupid on their part not to just put it in.


Posted by: melmac

Quote:
Originally Posted by wookiee2cu
I thought their excuse was that about only 1% of areas even had 3G available at the time. It was still stupid on their part not to just put it in.


If you look at the latest SDK beta firmware for the iPhone...it has an option to disable 3G to improve battery life. So doesn't look like they fixed the battery life issue I realize most handsets with 3G have this feature, but w/o a battery capacity boost, the iPhone with 3G enabled is gonna be hurting my battery life since everywhere by me is 3G


Posted by: RogerPodacter

There's no way to fix 3g battery issue cause thats the way it is.unless you bump the battery.


Posted by: RogerPodacter

Quote:
Originally Posted by wookiee2cu
I thought their excuse was that about only 1% of areas even had 3G available at the time. It was still stupid on their part not to just put it in.


No it was actually quoted in an interview about ve chipset size. Even though there were 3g razrs out for a long time. People didn't wanna hear it. Besides, the 3g coverage that existed when ve first iphone was launched was about the same as it is now. Every major city had 3g back then. I could drive from nyc to philly to baltimore and have 3g. Similarly san diego and los angeles and san fran had 3g. Plenty of the population was covered by 3g, prob 85-90%.

Now i WILL say that maybe apple wanted to test the waters with their brand new product before spending money on 3g chipsets. So why not say that instead of making yourself look like a fool in front of the nation with BS fluff. Sorry this is just something that irks me to no end.


Posted by: odnerd

Maybe they did bump the battery. They could put a battery twice the size in the new iPhone but it would still be drained quicker than just using it on EDGE. Just because it has that option doesn't mean that the battery is going to be that bad, it just means that they're giving you the option. For the people that just use it for polling email they don't need 3G enabled...


Posted by: zephxiii

As stated before, 3G and battery drain is just the nature of the beast....there really isn't much of an excuse for not including it the first time with as many other devices that were 3g. It sure is a great sales strategy though


Posted by: JonnyBruha

From every argument I've ever gotten into on these boards about the iPhone or otherwise, the rule from newbs has always been this: if a feature wasn't included, it's useless until it's added, and if you don't use it, no one else should either.


Posted by: supernet33

3G iPhone, doesn't it need to be approved 1st?
I forgot what company has to approve it 1st but doesn't it need to be public ?


Posted by: free_gas

FCC

-No, Apple can request the info be kept secret.

-If the chipset in the iPhone is already passed by the FCC the do not have pass through them, but since apple probably is using a new low-power chip, it has to be tested* (* no clue, just guessing)


Posted by: RogerPodacter

Quote:
Originally Posted by JonnyBruha
From every argument I've ever gotten into on these boards about the iPhone or otherwise, the rule from newbs has always been this: if a feature wasn't included, it's useless until it's added, and if you don't use it, no one else should either.


but then when it is included, the noobs think that apple invented it! awe i kid, but there's some truth to it. "apple invented 3g"


Posted by: KDarling

There have been plenty of threads on this topic.

Phones have a different approval process than say, computers. Computers can be approved by FCC designated companies and kept quiet until day of sale. Phones can only be approved by the FCC itself.

The FCC will make the approval and radio test results public. (They can only be asked to keep the photos, manuals, schematics, etc quiet for a time.)

A new phone will have to be retested, because its circuit boards and antenna will have changed. After that, if very minor unrelated changes are made, say to an audio circuit, Apple can request an approval without re-testing, but even that event will be made public.

There are only two ways I can think of to sneak a new 3G phone into sale:

1) Do it overseas first. The CE mark required in Europe can be done quietly.

2) Do it under a dummy corporation name. Other companies have done this to sneak new products under the radar. Doubtful Apple would, though.


Posted by: Petey07

here we go again.


Posted by: laquandrel

good question


Posted by: kinderco

Christ people hit the search button before starting ANOTHER useless thread!....


Posted by: jaycee916

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eckono
Don't know if this has been posted because I didn't feel like reading through 5 pages of posts, but engadget say an ATT employee forwarded them a memo asking ATT employees not to take a vacation between June 15 and July 12 because of a big summer launch or something to that effect.
It couldnt be more obvious its coming real sson.
I went to the apple store downtown Chicago yesterday to get my iPhone replaced, and the tech at the iPhone bar said they have been told it's coming soon, just not when.



One of my CLOSE buddys just informed me that his Girl who works for AT&T was asked not to take vacations also from june 15-july12.

maybe there's hope after all?


Posted by: Kevad007

I thought there was some discussion last year that Apple had intended to release the iPhone a week or two earlier in June, but they needed the extra time because they were racing to get some of the bugs out and get the final updates into models before shipping.

This time around if they have it more under control as to when they are ready and then want to release iPhone 2, I would think they would want to do so before the end of the main graduation weeks in mid June and before Father's day to take advantage of it being a gift for the grads and dads.

Then again, just a thought, maybe not, since it probably will sell out in days even if it comes out once again in late June, and then take a week or two for round two to make it to the stores? They could let pre-order type rain checks be given as a gift but weren't they so tight with it all as each buyer had to qualify with good credit etc.....

We shall see soon enough!


Posted by: bluewolfcry

Hey guys, I'm renewing the contract soon with T-Mobile, but I want an iPhone. Is the new 3G iPhone that's coming out going to work with T-Mobile (SIM card)? Also, how long do you guys think it will take for a unlocking system to be released?

What do you guys think I should do? Buy the current or get the new (given that I am going to stick with T-Mobile)?

Either way, I will probably wait till the new one comes out so that is I choose to stick with the current one, it may be a little cheaper


Posted by: RussPath03

Iphone is a AT&T phone only. You should know that by now.

It takes hacks to make it work with another provider. And who knows if the hacks work on the new one.


Posted by: toomer

Quote:
Originally Posted by RussPath03
Iphone is a AT&T phone only. You should know that by now.

It takes hacks to make it work with another provider. And who knows if the hacks work on the new one.


...and in addition to that, T-Mobile's 3G is slated to be on 1700mhz - which apparently no other provider in the world uses for 3G. So the chances that Apple would incorporate 1700 into their next iPhone are just about zero.


Posted by: pathy5025

I would also guess that Apple was trying to minimize scope creep. They were doing a lot of new things with both the phone and network. If you read the wired article about where they were 3 months before the announcement, it was getting close to a disaster. Also, they minimized the complaints about a non-removable battery (at least a little). Just guessing but maybe AT&T had issues with visual vmail between edge and 3G? Or didn't want to unleash the bandwidth floodgates because of the full browser? I'm sure there were a lot of reasons for the lack of 3g, but I'll bet they were good reasons.


Posted by: pandora

My wife has an iPhone and my personal phone is a Treo 650. My 650 is more used as a PDA than a phone or much anything else. The iPhone drives me nuts without a keyboard. Does anyone know if the new 3G iPhone about to be released will have a keyboard? Without a keyboard it won't be my next phone.


Posted by: AUTOLEGSPREADER

morning friend!
I doubt the iphone (the upcomming one) will have a real keyboard with buttons. Only because why would they fix something thats not broken.


Posted by: nfl46

I HIGHLY DOUBT it'll have a real keyboard! Lol!


Posted by: toomer

Quote:
Originally Posted by pandora
Does anyone know if the new 3G iPhone about to be released will have a keyboard?[/SIZE]


God, I hope not!

And if you want more clues, find the MacWorld 2007 keynote video online somewhere that you can watch - and see if you can guess how Steve Jobs feels about keyboards. I think you'll have your answer.


Posted by: t-bone-t

1. The next iPhone will have a keyboard. Ignore #2, it was written by a liar.
2. The next iPhone will not have a keyboard. #1 is a lie.


Posted by: timmah333

Quote:
Originally Posted by t-bone-t
1. The next iPhone will have a keyboard. Ignore #2, it was written by a liar.
2. The next iPhone will not have a keyboard. #1 is a lie.


Bahahaha.


Posted by: XFF

Quote:
Originally Posted by pandora
My wife has an iPhone and my personal phone is a Treo 650. My 650 is more used as a PDA than a phone or much anything else. The iPhone drives me nuts without a keyboard. Does anyone know if the new 3G iPhone about to be released will have a keyboard? Without a keyboard it won't be my next phone.
My 2.75G iPhone has a keyboard. Does it not work on yours?


Posted by: silviaguy

I also used my iPhone like a "real" PDA and not having a button keyboard was just fine. I had 4 Email account coming down into it. Surfed the net with out any problems. I also moved from a Treo 650 and I loved IT!!! now my work gave me this crappy Treo 700wx and I feel like I have been pushed back to 1995 :'(


Posted by: Medina

I highly doubt they'd change the form factor that's changed how the world looks at cell phones.


Posted by: Arden

the 3G iphone will not be your next phone.

steve jobs said how much he hates keyboards so he will never include one on an iphone

you'll either have to get with the times or forget about ever owning an iphone.


Posted by: ijstahri

It is OFFICIAL that the iphone release is in June just not and exact date. All cor-stores are preparing for it. Doubt me or not but i have a great reliable source and i always go to em for insider's info.

So in agreeing with Siryne, here's looking to June..!

Cheers..


Posted by: J273

Do you think where definatly likely to see GPS in the new iphone?

Thanks


Posted by: KDarling

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arden
steve jobs said how much he hates keyboards so he will never include one on an iphone


He didn't quite say that. He was talking about two things: the amount of space keyboards take up, and being able to display new buttons (which of course any device with a touchscreen can do, whether it also has a keyboard or not).

"They all have these keyboards that are there whether or not you need them to be there. And they all have these control buttons that are fixed in plastic and are the same for every application. Well, every application wants a slightly different user interface, a slightly optimized set of buttons, just for it."

It was a very hypocritical statement, since he knew darn well that some apps are easiest to use with "optimized buttons".

For example, the iPhone has dedicated, ringer, volume and Home page buttons.

iPod functions also work best with dedicated buttons, so you can use them without looking. That's why the iPhone has the earbud pushbutton to let you control play.

"And what happens if you think of a great idea six months from now? You can’t run around and add a button to these things. They’re already shipped. So what do you do? It doesn’t work because the buttons and the controls can’t change. They can’t change for each application, and they can’t change down the road if you think of another great idea you want to add to this product."

Again, there's a huge irony in the fact that Apple themselves later changed the action of the Home button, by overloading its primary function with double-clicks.

Basically, Jobs always says whatever it takes. You should not treat his statements as some kind of religious gospel.


Posted by: mknapper1

What was the original use of the home button?


Posted by: raulbe

This is the problem isn't it, how to make the compromise between keyboard, screen size and form factor, I am sure many, no make that all, phone designers have struggled with this challenge. Apple approached it in a different way from other phone companies and that is one of the innovations & attractions of the iPhone for those who liked it and bought it.

For those who don't there are options in the marketplace with keyboards from most phone companies. If Apple adds a keyboard they will have to redesign the whole thing, I am sure while they were designing the iPhone they must have been some versions with keyboards but they went with this one ruling it out for those who don't like virtual keyboards or can't use them well for some reason or other. The 3G version will probably be the same form factor, but you can never say with Apple can you, maybe they will surprise us.

Perhaps we can have a removable and small bluetooth keyboard that can be clipped on or attached in some way to the phone temporarily either at the bottom or on the side for those who need a physical keyboard.


Posted by: JonnyBruha

It was originally the self destruct button.

Jobs hates keyboards so much, not only will he not put one on the iPhone, but he won't let you hook one up to it over Bluetooth either.


Posted by: pathy5025

All rumors up to this point, nothing is definite. That being said, every rumor I have read says yes to GPS.


Posted by: ~~Tito~~

With Aurora's permission, I made this thread for iPhone speculation so there aren't floods of threads asking questions or speculations about the 3G iPhone, and later versions here.

Ask away. . . . . . . . . or speculate away.




Posted by: UnR1

Tuesday announcement?


Posted by: clbdee

PHONE SCOOP Apple officially confirmed that the iPhone has sold out at its U.S. and U.K. online stores. It did state, however, that the iPhone is still available at its brick-and-motor locations, as well as at AT&T Mobility retail outlets. An Apple spokesperson did not elaborate on the reasons why both the 8GB and 16GB versions of the iPhone have sold out at its online stores, nor if a new version will be launching soon to replace the first-generation device more at Engadget » / CNN »


Posted by: oc12345

i just called my local at&t store and asked if it was being released tomorrow ..she said 100% not tomorrow ..but she also said not till july so i dont think she knows anything


Posted by: UnR1

repost

here is the link anyways http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/ptech/...t.ap/index.html


Posted by: cingular#1

i say lets stop talking about it and just wait for the fricken release


Posted by: ~~Tito~~

Quote:
Originally Posted by cingular#1
i say lets stop talking about it and just wait for the fricken release

Amen, yet I STILL!!!! See 100's of threads asking questions. . . .


Posted by: 1906!

I cannot wait, the suspense is killing me! Release the dang phone!


Posted by: 1906!

So the answer is?


Posted by: duddy

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1906!
So the answer is?


NO!

They are using a pre-approved 3G chip on the already approved iPhone.


Posted by: xbox360gamer

mark my words. there will never be an iPhone with a hardware based keyboard. after all, having a hardware based keyboard would literally destroy everything that the iPhone stands for.


Posted by: free_gas

Quote:
Originally Posted by Arden

steve jobs said how much he hates keyboards so he will never include one on an iphone
.



Word to the wise... SJ is a very well paid LIAR!!!!

Shhh. you did not hear it from me... cough cough flash ipod cough...


Posted by: Ulysses

Since the iPhone 2 will be available worldwide. What 3g bands will it likely support? Or will we see multiple versions of the iPhone based on the region it will be sold in?


Posted by: panasummer

As much as I love my Curve, the iPhone's keyboard blows it out of the water. The typing on there is so easy, and 10x faster than my Curve. I don't send long emails on my Curve, but I'd much rather send a long one on the iPhone than the Curve. I've yet to understand the criticism for the iPhone keyboard. I've noticed though that most of the people that ***** about the on screen keyboard don't even have an iPhone or have ever used one.


Posted by: free_gas

I seriously think that the 3rd iPhone will have a slide out keyboard, once Apple begins touting it as a robust business tool, they will go after the BB group, so a slide out keyboard will be there as an option along with the virtual keyboard, also it provides more screen estate, also it should have a trackpad!


Posted by: fumblerooski

Thank you for finally creating this thread. It's about frickin time!


Posted by: ~~Tito~~

Quote:
Originally Posted by fumblerooski
Thank you for finally creating this thread. It's about frickin time!

Well, the flood of 3G iPhone threads started getting worse and worse and I asked Aurora and here we are.



For the 3G bands the iPhone will most likely be tri band.


Posted by: duddy

Moving parts aren't Apple's style.


Posted by: ~~Tito~~

Quote:
Originally Posted by duddy
Moving parts aren't Apple's style.

Or pre product announcement so people can speculate the hell out of whats coming next. . . .

No it wont have a keyboard because they wouldn't drastically change a known feature after the first one had it.


Posted by: KDarling

Quote:
Originally Posted by xbox360gamer
mark my words. there will never be an iPhone with a hardware based keyboard. after all, having a hardware based keyboard would literally destroy everything that the iPhone stands for.


I would say it stands for ease of use, before anything else.

Not having a physical keyboard is more of a form factor decision. The majority of PDAs of the last decade didn't have one.


Posted by: t-bone-t

How the heck do I get to the second page of this thread? I keep clicking on the "2" but I keep ending up here on page 1!


Posted by: JonnyBruha

Quote:
Originally Posted by panasummer
As much as I love my Curve, the iPhone's keyboard blows it out of the water. The typing on there is so easy, and 10x faster than my Curve. I don't send long emails on my Curve, but I'd much rather send a long one on the iPhone than the Curve. I've yet to understand the criticism for the iPhone keyboard. I've noticed though that most of the people that ***** about the on screen keyboard don't even have an iPhone or have ever used one.


Having used both, let me put it in perspective for you. The iPhone requires much more attention due to the lack of tactile feedback and while not impossible, it is much more difficult to type with one hand, without looking or both. That said, I still prefer T9 over all for the speed, convenience, and efficiency over both the Curve's QWERTY and the iPhone's virtual QWERTY.


Posted by: edge777

I had an HTC with a slide out keyboard, and that was one of the main reasons I got rid of it (well that, and crazy buggy slow WM). It was bulky, heavy, and ugly. It wasn't usable with one hand. Something glitched and it the auto-landscape-rotate quite working right.

I've had my iPhone for about 6 weeks now. I love it, and I love the on-screen only keyboard. The lack of a physical keyboard, and the lack of a stylus, are what I love the most. I say this, because it works! Apple knows how to do it right, and usually does it the first time.

Honestly, it did take a few days to get used to (at first I was quite slow). But after using it a bit, it really is fast, and very usable.


Posted by: ~~Tito~~

Lets just continue the Speculation in the official thread and close this thread. . .


Posted by: nfl46

Quote:
Originally Posted by JonnyBruha
Having used both, let me put it in perspective for you. The iPhone requires much more attention due to the lack of tactile feedback and while not impossible, it is much more difficult to type with one hand, without looking or both. That said, I still prefer T9 over all for the speed, convenience, and efficiency over both the Curve's QWERTY and the iPhone's virtual QWERTY.

I have a Curve & an iPhone and I type faster on the iPhone...believe it or not!


Posted by: Haas_Dave

Now if the mods would just merge threads to this one... That'd be great.

I just hope that current users can 're-up' with the new one either without a contract extension in any way (trade in, etc.) even at 'base price' (like the 16GB at release) or allow us to buy it subsidized with a renewal. I won't take another two year agreement w/out an incentive.


Posted by: ~~Tito~~

Quote:
Originally Posted by Haas_Dave
Now if the mods would just merge threads to this one... That'd be great.

I just hope that current users can 're-up' with the new one either without a contract extension in any way (trade in, etc.) even at 'base price' (like the 16GB at release) or allow us to buy it subsidized with a renewal. I won't take another two year agreement w/out an incentive.

All it takes is a friendly PM. I will see if Aurora can do it.


Posted by: pachi

Quote:
Originally Posted by t-bone-t
How the heck do I get to the second page of this thread? I keep clicking on the "2" but I keep ending up here on page 1!

Didnt you know Mr. Jobs controls the apple forums here.?


Posted by: BeyondTheTech

What has been burning in my mind is how they would actually come about with the release of the new iPhone.

I spoke about this briefly in another thread, but it would make more sense to me that Apple would simply release the new one as they have done most other Apple products - close the Apple online store for a couple hours, then open back up with a "refreshed" iPhone and the retail stores just start selling the new one.

I'm starting to doubt that the new iPhone will be radically different than its predecessor. Most of the hype for new features has pretty much come from us, its fanbase, and our wild speculations and rumors, and that many could likely be let down when it does finally release.

What will the new iPhone have? Perhaps a shave or curve on the design, a new black backing, definitely 3G, up to 32GB, but that's about it. Front facing camera? Not so sure. Higher megapixel rear camera with flash? Maybe 3, probably no flash. Integrated true GPS? Possibly, or maybe a refined A-GPS. Radical flip design? Nah. A new price, even subsidized? Well, sure, if they're smart and want to blaze past 10 million.

The rest could come about in software, but then it many of the updates will likely apply to the current iPhone anyway - push .Mac mail and Exchange support, Bluetooth A2DP, more landscape modes, etc. And don't forget about the App Store and 3rd-party development.

I don't think they'll go for the same hype with a "June 29 at 6PM" lineup at AT&T and Apple stores across the country. Keeping in mind that we at HowardForums and other techie blog sites are the exception to the rule, the new revision just doesn't seem to warrant that type of grand opening for the general public.

New hype buildup could directly affect upcoming and current sales of iPhones in other countries. It could also lead to another minor backlash of current iPhone owners who were dealt with an up to $599 pricetag that dropped dramatically, and now a new revision less than a year later, not to mention the latest rumor that the new iPhone price could be subsidized with another 2-year lockdown. Of course, the current iPhone will probably drop down to $299 on Apple's site, and even less on eBay and Craigslist.

Whatever the case, you know most of us will jump on it.


Posted by: timmah333

Quote:
Originally Posted by BeyondTheTech
What has been burning in my mind is how they would actually come about with the release of the new iPhone.

I spoke about this briefly in another thread, but it would make more sense to me that Apple would simply release the new one as they have done most other Apple products - close the Apple online store for a couple hours, then open back up with a "refreshed" iPhone and the retail stores just start selling the new one.

I'm starting to doubt that the new iPhone will be radically different than its predecessor. Most of the hype for new features has pretty much come from us, its fanbase, and our wild speculations and rumors, and that many could likely be let down when it does finally release.

What will the new iPhone have? Perhaps a shave or curve on the design, a new black backing, definitely 3G, up to 32GB, but that's about it. Front facing camera? Not so sure. Higher megapixel rear camera with flash? Maybe 3, probably no flash. Integrated true GPS? Possibly, or maybe a refined A-GPS. Radical flip design? Nah. A new price, even subsidized? Well, sure, if they're smart and want to blaze past 10 million.

The rest could come about in software, but then it many of the updates will likely apply to the current iPhone anyway - push .Mac mail and Exchange support, Bluetooth A2DP, more landscape modes, etc. And don't forget about the App Store and 3rd-party development.

I don't think they'll go for the same hype with a "June 29 at 6PM" lineup at AT&T and Apple stores across the country. Keeping in mind that we at HowardForums and other techie blog sites are the exception to the rule, the new revision just doesn't seem to warrant that type of grand opening for the general public.

New hype buildup could directly affect upcoming and current sales of iPhones in other countries. It could also lead to another minor backlash of current iPhone owners who were dealt with an up to $599 pricetag that dropped dramatically, and now a new revision less than a year later, not to mention the latest rumor that the new iPhone price could be subsidized with another 2-year lockdown. Of course, the current iPhone will probably drop down to $299 on Apple's site, and even less on eBay and Craigslist.

Whatever the case, you know most of us will jump on it.


I agree with nearly your entire post, EXCEPT that phrase right there. That's called the world of technology. There's already something better/faster out by the time you buy whatever you have. What about video games? Madden, Tony Hawk, Etc...games that produce a new version EVERY YEAR and people still buy them. It's just the way that it is. I bought a Compaq laptop in 2004 for $699.99 from Staples that had 256 RAM, 40GB HD, and an amazing (at the time) 3.06 gHz processor then a year later they had another laptop for $499.99 with 1GB RAM, 120GB HD, and an even faster processor (don't remember how fast). That's life. Do I wish I waited, yeah, but I didn't..and I enjoyed my Compaq.

I understood why people got upset when they dropped the price of the iPhone so close after launch, that's an entirely different scenario, but when it comes to the fact that it is not an "iPhone" that will be released yet again (it might be iPhone v9m for all we know, but the v9m denotes there's a difference) you're paying for a different phone. Even if the only difference is a color change and some slight software changes (my specific example i have in mind is the Motorola Q and then q9m for Verizon) It's still a different phone, and warrants a different price point than the original. IF people think it's not worth it to pay more for an upgrade, they won't, but I know there's still alot that will, or maybe people who didn't have one in the first place will make the jump STRICTLY because it has a glossy black finish.


Posted by: KDarling

Quote:
Originally Posted by KDarling
There are only two ways I can think of to sneak a new 3G phone into sale:


Hmm. Plus one more that I found last night and have posted elsewhere:

FCC Regulation 47.457(d)(ii) states:

"(ii) Applications for equipment authorizations (type acceptance, type approval, certification, or advance approval of subscription television systems), and materials relating to such applications, are not routinely available for public inspection prior to the effective date of the authorization.
"The effective date of the authorization will, upon request, be deferred to a date no earlier than that specified by the applicant.
" Following the effective date of the authorization, the application and related materials (including technical specifications and test measurements) will be made available for inspection upon request."

This appears to say that Apple could've sent in their tests a while ago, but requested the approval to be delayed until, say a WWDC announcement (or sales day). So we'd not see the public docs until then.


Posted by: bluewolfcry

The current iPhone does not have GPS? That's news to me..


Posted by: ski1ski1

Quote:
Originally Posted by duddy
NO!

They are using a pre-approved 3G chip on the already approved iPhone.


It doesn't matter if the 3G chip is pre-approved. Many phones all use the same chipset. Each and every phone has to go through the FCC approval process. The tests verify that the phone is not producing radio waves over the FCC limit. Just because a phone uses a chip that was already approved, the design of the casing, antenna, programming, and other chips can all affect the RF power coming from the phone. That is why ALL phones are tested.

The FCC does not actually conduct the test, they just approval the tests that was conducted from a 3rd party.


Posted by: odnerd

Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewolfcry
The current iPhone does not have GPS? That's news to me..

What made you think it did?


Posted by: klowngoblin

its too bad you cant just install your own Keyboard

on most other phones you can install 3rd party keyboards

IE:
Tengothumb (fastest keyboard you can get for ANY PHONE)
SPB Fullscreen keyboard (fully skinnable)
HTC Phone pad (like t9? or just used to T9? this is awsome, i can type 50+WPM on the phone pad simply because its also premtive words as in you dont have to type the entire word to enter it)
pocket CM (skinnable to anything you want)
block recognizer (built into windows so you can use the palm graffiti input style)
word and letter recognizers (built in so you can just handwrite)


Posted by: klowngoblin

Quote:
Originally Posted by edge777
I had an HTC with a slide out keyboard, and that was one of the main reasons I got rid of it (well that, and crazy buggy slow WM). It was bulky, heavy, and ugly. It wasn't usable with one hand. Something glitched and it the auto-landscape-rotate quite working right.


its pretty obvious your not a power user or you would of flash over the garbage the provider put on (if you used superstorage roms your phone would be faster than most)


Posted by: mandrsn1

Quote:
Originally Posted by KDarling
Phones can only be approved by the FCC itself.


This is not true. There are many Telecommunication Certified Body (TCB) companies which can do phone approvals.


Quote:
Originally Posted by free_gas
-If the chipset in the iPhone is already passed by the FCC the do not have pass through them, but since apple probably is using a new low-power chip, it has to be tested* (* no clue, just guessing)


This is also not true. Phones need to be approved by model, not by chipset. There are very few chipsets. Each device needs its own FCC ID, thus it needs to be tested and filed with the FCC.

FCC ID approvals can be kept secret for 90 days from approval or until the device is announced.


Posted by: klowngoblin

and their returns department is overwhelmed


Posted by: Fresh801

If my 8gig iphone breaks now,what do they replace it with? also is it breaks after the 2nd gen releases what will it be replaced with?


Posted by: Quake97

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fresh801
If my 8gig iphone breaks now,what do they replace it with? also is it breaks after the 2nd gen releases what will it be replaced with?


It will be replaced with the same model you have for quite some time. Forget about committing fraud dude.

Joe


Posted by: ATTILA THE HUN

Quote:
Originally Posted by Fresh801
If my 8gig iphone breaks now,what do they replace it with? also is it breaks after the 2nd gen releases what will it be replaced with?


they will just fix it or you pay for update


Posted by: Russpauly

Quote:
Originally Posted by free_gas
I seriously think that the 3rd iPhone will have a slide out keyboard, once Apple begins touting it as a robust business tool, they will go after the BB group, so a slide out keyboard will be there as an option along with the virtual keyboard, also it provides more screen estate, also it should have a trackpad!

What I would like to see is being able to turn the phone to its side and have the on screen keyboard run horizontally. Thats something that I think is needed.


Posted by: melmac

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Originally Posted by BeyondTheTech
What has been burning in my mind is how they would actually come about with the release of the new iPhone.

I spoke about this briefly in another thread, but it would make more sense to me that Apple would simply release the new one as they have done most other Apple products - close the Apple online store for a couple hours, then open back up with a "refreshed" iPhone and the retail stores just start selling the new one.

I'm starting to doubt that the new iPhone will be radically different than its predecessor. Most of the hype for new features has pretty much come from us, its fanbase, and our wild speculations and rumors, and that many could likely be let down when it does finally release.

What will the new iPhone have? Perhaps a shave or curve on the design, a new black backing, definitely 3G, up to 32GB, but that's about it. Front facing camera? Not so sure. Higher megapixel rear camera with flash? Maybe 3, probably no flash. Integrated true GPS? Possibly, or maybe a refined A-GPS. Radical flip design? Nah. A new price, even subsidized? Well, sure, if they're smart and want to blaze past 10 million.

The rest could come about in software, but then it many of the updates will likely apply to the current iPhone anyway - push .Mac mail and Exchange support, Bluetooth A2DP, more landscape modes, etc. And don't forget about the App Store and 3rd-party development.

I don't think they'll go for the same hype with a "June 29 at 6PM" lineup at AT&T and Apple stores across the country. Keeping in mind that we at HowardForums and other techie blog sites are the exception to the rule, the new revision just doesn't seem to warrant that type of grand opening for the general public.

New hype buildup could directly affect upcoming and current sales of iPhones in other countries. It could also lead to another minor backlash of current iPhone owners who were dealt with an up to $599 pricetag that dropped dramatically, and now a new revision less than a year later, not to mention the latest rumor that the new iPhone price could be subsidized with another 2-year lockdown. Of course, the current iPhone will probably drop down to $299 on Apple's site, and even less on eBay and Craigslist.

Whatever the case, you know most of us will jump on it.



Thank you, someone else finally realized what I've been saying forever too! I've been trying to say this in EVERY 3G iPhone thread so far...the new iPhone IS NOT a 2nd gen product! We have absolutely zero, zilch, etc reason to assume that any radical spec change will happen besides the 3G. GPS I have heard rumored and sounds reasonable, but who knows. Look at the current 2.0 SDK beta firmware...it has 3G options...the 3G iPhone is gonna run the same software (and to do that they have to have similar hardware...look at the iTouch, which also uses the same updates as the current EDGE iPhone) and have the same features (plus GPS possibly) as the current one. This is the iPhone 1.5g. When you lay a 3G iPhone next to an EDGE iPhone...you won't be able to tell the difference at first glance (I know it's supposedly a little thicker, that's why I said first glance). They're going to use the same LCD even probably. The only thing that's noticeably changing is the 3G feature and possible GPS. Anyone hoping for anything more is gonna have to wait at least another year.


Posted by: timmah333

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Originally Posted by timmah333
I agree with nearly your entire post, EXCEPT that phrase right there. That's called the world of technology. There's already something better/faster out by the time you buy whatever you have. What about video games? Madden, Tony Hawk, Etc...games that produce a new version EVERY YEAR and people still buy them. It's just the way that it is. I bought a Compaq laptop in 2004 for $699.99 from Staples that had 256 RAM, 40GB HD, and an amazing (at the time) 3.06 gHz processor then a year later they had another laptop for $499.99 with 1GB RAM, 120GB HD, and an even faster processor (don't remember how fast). That's life. Do I wish I waited, yeah, but I didn't..and I enjoyed my Compaq.

I understood why people got upset when they dropped the price of the iPhone so close after launch, that's an entirely different scenario, but when it comes to the fact that it is not an "iPhone" that will be released yet again (it might be iPhone v9m for all we know, but the v9m denotes there's a difference) you're paying for a different phone. Even if the only difference is a color change and some slight software changes (my specific example i have in mind is the Motorola Q and then q9m for Verizon) It's still a different phone, and warrants a different price point than the original. IF people think it's not worth it to pay more for an upgrade, they won't, but I know there's still alot that will, or maybe people who didn't have one in the first place will make the jump STRICTLY because it has a glossy black finish.


This is a semi repost because my response got lost in the shuffle when they merged the threads.



I agree with nearly your entire post, EXCEPT that phrase right there. That's called the world of technology. There's already something better/faster out by the time you buy whatever you have. What about video games? Madden, Tony Hawk, Etc...games that produce a new version EVERY YEAR and people still buy them. It's just the way that it is. I bought a Compaq laptop in 2004 for $699.99 from Staples that had 256 RAM, 40GB HD, and an amazing (at the time) 3.06 gHz processor then a year later they had another laptop for $499.99 with 1GB RAM, 120GB HD, and an even faster processor (don't remember how fast). That's life. Do I wish I waited, yeah, but I didn't..and I enjoyed my Compaq.

I understood why people got upset when they dropped the price of the iPhone so close after launch, that's an entirely different scenario, but when it comes to the fact that it is not an "iPhone" that will be released yet again (it might be iPhone v9m for all we know, but the v9m denotes there's a difference) you're paying for a different phone. Even if the only difference is a color change and some slight software changes (my specific example i have in mind is the Motorola Q and then q9m for Verizon) It's still a different phone, and warrants a different price point than the original. IF people think it's not worth it to pay more for an upgrade, they won't, but I know there's still alot that will, or maybe people who didn't have one in the first place will make the jump STRICTLY because it has a glossy black finish.


Posted by: BeyondTheTech

Also, you would think that the hackers who are looking into the firmware would have seen an updated Camera application by now that would support a front-facing camera, video recording, video conferencing, etc. There are no indications to date.

On a sidenote, why a front-facing camera isn't on any US-carrier-branded (or affiliated) phone to date is beyond me. Are they afraid that people will actually want video conferencing over their network? Heck, I do. Look at every HTC or other Windows Mobile device out there. The non-carrier-branded version sports a front-facing camera, while the carrier-branded version gets it removed everytime. What gives? It'll add perhaps $20 to the price of the phone, something I'd be willing to pay everytime, instead of having to twist my arm around every 5 seconds to see if a self-portrait looked OK on my LCD display. Ugh.


Posted by: tremcotexas

good thread. I'm more interested in the news that the iPhone will have GPS, video conferece/calling and mobile TV (I'm guessing AT&T video). Not too mention all the program that come out of the SDK. This should be an awesome upgrade! I may even have to wait in line.... (no more than hour, hopefully!).


Posted by: Mark_K

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Originally Posted by BeyondTheTech
Also, you would think that the hackers who are looking into the firmware would have seen an updated Camera application by now that would support a front-facing camera, video recording, video conferencing, etc. There are no indications to date.

On a sidenote, why a front-facing camera isn't on any US-carrier-branded (or affiliated) phone to date is beyond me. Are they afraid that people will actually want video conferencing over their network? Heck, I do. Look at every HTC or other Windows Mobile device out there. The non-carrier-branded version sports a front-facing camera, while the carrier-branded version gets it removed everytime. What gives? It'll add perhaps $20 to the price of the phone, something I'd be willing to pay everytime, instead of having to twist my arm around every 5 seconds to see if a self-portrait looked OK on my LCD display. Ugh.


Understand that most manufacturers (and that goes for any industry) will design really cool leading stuff but will only produce/market things that are just a little better then their competitors. They don't want to shoot their wad all at once when they can string us a long..............


Posted by: Mark_K

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Originally Posted by tremcotexas
good thread. I'm more interested in the news that the iPhone will have GPS, video conferece/calling and mobile TV (I'm guessing AT&T video). Not too mention all the program that come out of the SDK. This should be an awesome upgrade! I may even have to wait in line.... (no more than hour, hopefully!).


Have a look at Slingbox. Currenlty I use it on my Samsung i760. I am waiting for it to be relased for the 3g iPhone.


Posted by: Saoirse1916

Ditto -- word round the campfire is that SlingMedia is working on an iPhone edition, but who knows how long that could take. It's great on WM phones though.


Posted by: flip69

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Originally Posted by klowngoblin
and their returns department is overwhelmed



why? defective goods all of a sudden?


Posted by: fumblerooski

No, he means everyone that is still within their trial period is sure to return now.


Posted by: JonnyBruha

I didn't read a word of this thread, but I've read all the others and I certainly wasn't going to post a new one.

Did anyone ever think that the 3G iPhone that's supposed to change the way we live our lives (again) isn't going to be a kick-the-door-in event? Several people have mentioned that it's not the iPhone 2 that everyone's waiting for, and even though it's all speculation at this point, I can't help but think that perhaps it's just a gradual feature addition to the first gen iPhone. All of the screenshots and rumors seem to keep this whole deal very hush-hush, which makes me think that Apple's just going to replenish stock of their iPhones with models that have the 2.0 firmware with chipsets that support 3G and the option in the menu to turn it on. All other new features of the 2.0 firmware with the new chipset are still up for grabs, of course, but it sounds to me that they're trying to spin it like they would any firmware update that adds features, except it required new hardware, not "OMG THE NEW IPHONE!!!!111!!!" I'm not trying downplay it and say the addition of 3G is only a minor change or anything like that, I just don't think it's the next coming like a lot of people are speculating it is. Does that make sense or do you think I'm off base?


Posted by: Russpauly

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Originally Posted by JonnyBruha
I didn't read a word of this thread, but I've read all the others and I certainly wasn't going to post a new one.

Did anyone ever think that the 3G iPhone that's supposed to change the way we live our lives (again) isn't going to be a kick-the-door-in event? Several people have mentioned that it's not the iPhone 2 that everyone's waiting for, and even though it's all speculation at this point, I can't help but think that perhaps it's just a gradual feature addition to the first gen iPhone. All of the screenshots and rumors seem to keep this whole deal very hush-hush, which makes me think that Apple's just going to replenish stock of their iPhones with models that have the 2.0 firmware with chipsets that support 3G and the option in the menu to turn it on. All other new features of the 2.0 firmware with the new chipset are still up for grabs, of course, but it sounds to me that they're trying to spin it like they would any firmware update that adds features, except it required new hardware, not "OMG THE NEW IPHONE!!!!111!!!" I'm not trying downplay it and say the addition of 3G is only a minor change or anything like that, I just don't think it's the next coming like a lot of people are speculating it is. Does that make sense or do you think I'm off base?


No, it will definatly be a new phone. Probably same looks, but this is going to be one of those "OMG THE NEW IPHONE!!!!" releases. Also, if you take a look at some of the signs Apple and At&t are taking with the first Gen Iphone then it makes sense as well. Completely out of stock online, and Rephurbs going for $250 (Bought mine online this morning). It will be a kick in the door event, again.


Posted by: JonnyBruha

I'm sure the excitement will be at that level, but what I'm trying to say is that they're not treating it that way. The refurb deal is nothing new. They did it before all this 3G hype started flying around. What if the "launch" of the 3G iPhone is nothing more than restocking AT&T and Apple stores with the iPhone with firmware 2.0 and a 3G chipset? The community is going to treat it like it's the second, second coming, but I think Apple's going to treat it like a firmware update that's just a little bigger.


Posted by: kevinnugent

What we are hearing here now is that the iPhone 2.0 will be announced and 3G version will come out (in 3 different colours and sizes) but the big deal will be the other device announced as well. An Apple PDA/Phone converged device that's like the iPhone but about 50% bigger with full screen PDA/UMPC capabilities.

Now that would be exciting!

Kevin


Posted by: ~~Tito~~

Why do ppl say iPhone 2.0? Wouldn't apple just say it would be the 2nd Gen iPhone like they have in the past with almost all products? Ex: iPod's, mac books, imacs, MBP......??


Posted by: Mark_K

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Originally Posted by Russpauly
No, it will definatly be a new phone. Probably same looks, but this is going to be one of those "OMG THE NEW IPHONE!!!!" releases. Also, if you take a look at some of the signs Apple and At&t are taking with the first Gen Iphone then it makes sense as well. Completely out of stock online, and Rephurbs going for $250 (Bought mine online this morning). It will be a kick in the door event, again.


If you keep repeating this to your self (over and over) it just may come true..... Closing your eye when doing this may help too.


Posted by: Mark_K

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Originally Posted by JonnyBruha
I'm sure the excitement will be at that level, but what I'm trying to say is that they're not treating it that way. The refurb deal is nothing new. They did it before all this 3G hype started flying around. What if the "launch" of the 3G iPhone is nothing more than restocking AT&T and Apple stores with the iPhone with firmware 2.0 and a 3G chipset? The community is going to treat it like it's the second, second coming, but I think Apple's going to treat it like a firmware update that's just a little bigger.


I'm with you Jonny Boy......However, I will be jumping into this coolaid pool when it is released.


Posted by: Saoirse1916

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Originally Posted by JonnyBruha
I'm sure the excitement will be at that level, but what I'm trying to say is that they're not treating it that way. What if the "launch" of the 3G iPhone is nothing more than restocking AT&T and Apple stores with the iPhone with firmware 2.0 and a 3G chipset?

I agree that the excitement won't be the line-around-the-block type that Apple saw for v1, but I think it's pretty much assumed that the new phone will have GPS in addition to the 3G chipset, so it's not just a firmware update. And like Mark, I'll be jumping on the deuce bandwagon as well after passing on version 1.


Posted by: JonnyBruha

Like I said, I'm not trying to downplay this. Even with GPS added, I think they'll treat it as a soft release. I can realistically see them spin it as the iPhone now with "better positioning in GoogleMaps" and "faster wireless data" instead of "your iPhone can now replace your GPS and your first three children!!". A lot of people will be treating it that way and swapping their GPS and their kids for it and I might be one of them, but the around the block excitement is not Apple's goal with this release. This seems more like a gradual feature update that happens to require hardware, so they conveniently dwindled the stock all over the world and they'll simply be replenishing it with iPhones with the new hardware to stay on track for 10 mil by the end of 08.


Posted by: Saoirse1916

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Originally Posted by JonnyBruha
Like I said, I'm not trying to downplay this. Even with GPS added, I think they'll treat it as a soft release. I can realistically see them spin it as the iPhone now with "better positioning in GoogleMaps" and "faster wireless data"

Hmm, that's a good point. Now that you put it that way I can almost hear the iPhone commercial music behind those very words. The only thing that makes me think otherwise is the AT&T report about no vacation during the iPhone release time -- that would seem to indicate that at least AT&T thinks there will be a major rush on these phones.


Posted by: JonnyBruha

They could be, or they could just be scheduling specific training during that time period and they needed to black it out. Again, I'm just speculating (per the thread), but that doesn't strike me as a big deal either.

With all of this information from every source, you have to keep in mind how relevant it really is. Just because we hear about it doesn't mean it means anything more than what it is. The hype machine is great at making every little small piece of information huge just because we heard about it, when there are people that earn their living off of digging these tiny pieces of information up. Of course we heard about it; it has to do with the iPhone!

One thing's for certain though; it's coming, and soon.


Posted by: Russpauly

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Originally Posted by Saoirse1916
Hmm, that's a good point. Now that you put it that way I can almost hear the iPhone commercial music behind those very words. The only thing that makes me think otherwise is the AT&T report about no vacation during the iPhone release time -- that would seem to indicate that at least AT&T thinks there will be a major rush on these phones.


With the whole blackout days for AT&T employees it might be because they will do that $200 rumored rebate for the phone, which would make it one of those deals where everyone would probably run out and buy one and create a lot of traffic even if Apple does this sort of "soft release". I know I will, but I am planning on buying the new one anyways with or without a $200 rebate.


Posted by: sportsfreak2159

It would be so hilarious if Steve Jobs doesnt announce anything new for the iPhone at WWDC. People would riot!! lol

p.s except for info on 2.0 firmware


Posted by: Anisoul

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Originally Posted by JonnyBruha
They could be, or they could just be scheduling specific training during that time period and they needed to black it out. Again, I'm just speculating (per the thread), but that doesn't strike me as a big deal either.

With all of this information from