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Posted by: GarageBattle

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Originally Posted by flip69

Wow looks too thick. I may have to go with the old one.

good wouldnt want you to have a giant phone in your pocket. that thing looks like a MOOONNNSSTTEEERRRRR

Posted by: FastLaneJB

Seriously it's probably only a little bit thicker. Remember this is a case design, by it's very nature it's going to make it thicker than an uncased phone.

Also the iPhone is a seriously thin phone. I don't mind if they make it a bit thicker if it means a bigger battery and other better features.

Posted by: p-sh

New iPhone will be be thicker that is for sure..

Posted by: babikian

here is a comparison:

http://www.iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=1158

Posted by: ~~Tito~~

Now that it has officially been announced. I am going to speculate some more.

Posted by: bigmike20

I would like it to be as thin as the iPod Touch but than again we'll need the extra thickness for a bigger battery that will be useful to last much longer on 3G and all those 3rd apps that are coming soon.

Posted by: BeyondTheTech

What if AT&T and Apple decide to drop another bomb on us as they did with Visual Voicemail? For example, what if the new iPhone sported a front-facing camera and they introduced the first phone in the US to have video calls? Imagine sales would spike because couples would want to have one for each, and business users would be able to videoconference! Over 3G or Wi-Fi, this would be awesome.

Or, at Apple could somehow make video support over the simultaneous voice-and-data connection that 3G provides. Or, in the least, they could incorporate a version of iChat on the iPhone that would work on Wi-Fi, if not 3G, too.

AT&T and Apple supposedly have a collaborative effort, what else can they bring to the table besides a new device?

Posted by: Mark_K

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Originally Posted by BeyondTheTech

What if AT&T and Apple decide to drop another bomb on us as they did with Visual Voicemail? For example, what if the new iPhone sported a front-facing camera and they introduced the first phone in the US to have video calls? Imagine sales would spike because couples would want to have one for each, and business users would be able to videoconference! Over 3G or Wi-Fi, this would be awesome.

Or, at Apple could somehow make video support over the simultaneous voice-and-data connection that 3G provides. Or, in the least, they could incorporate a version of iChat on the iPhone that would work on Wi-Fi, if not 3G, too.

AT&T and Apple supposedly have a collaborative effort, what else can they bring to the table besides a new device?

If they were to introduce this functionality you can bet that the price of 3G data will increase to $40 or $60 per 5gb.

I hope not becuse the current $20 rate is why I will be moving my family over from Verizon.

Posted by: VDubb

Doubt data will increase. If data is gonna increase for 3G and/or video share, then it would have already happened. If anything, there would be a soft cap of around 3-5GB, in which your speeds are throttled down and constant "abuse" would give AT&T the right to terminate.

- VDubb

Posted by: jsnead

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Originally Posted by babikian

here is a comparison:

http://www.iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=1158

I just noticed that the camera lens on the back is larger (as well as the opening in the case for it) by almost 20% (yes, I'm actually geeky enough to magnify the image and measure), which indicates to me that we are likely looking at a phone with 3G, GPS, and a better (and thus presumably autofocus) camera, which pretty much answers all of the major complaints about the Gen 1 iphone. If the battery life remains good, then (in combination with the new software) this is actually going to be as good as the best other phones out there in all ways. Kudos to Apple if this is all true.

Posted by: Anisoul

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Originally Posted by jsnead

Thanks for the assestment. That helps answers a lot of questions if you are in fact correct.

Posted by: JonnyBruha

If they just bump up the megapixel in the camera, then the 3G iPhone = N80; you can have all the resolution you want, but your pictures will still come out like garbage if they're not focused properly.

Posted by: fumblerooski

It's all about the lens quality. You can have a 10 mp camera and it can still produce terrible pics if the lens is poor.

Posted by: jsnead

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Originally Posted by fumblerooski

It's all about the lens quality. You can have a 10 mp camera and it can still produce terrible pics if the lens is poor.

Agreed, but the larger lens looks promising. Also, from my PoV, autofocus is just as important as lens quality, since a fixed focus lens automatically means mediocre pictures. However, given that I know of no 3+ MP phone cameras w/o autofocus, I'm assuming that they'll at least have that. If the lens is also good, it will be an excellent camera. However, assuming the lens isn't any worse than the current one and add in autofocus, and it's at least is no longer a terrible one.

Posted by: JonnyBruha

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Originally Posted by jsnead

You do now.

Posted by: Haas_Dave

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Originally Posted by VDubb

Doubt data will increase. If data is gonna increase for 3G and/or video share, then it would have already happened. If anything, there would be a soft cap of around 3-5GB, in which your speeds are throttled down and constant "abuse" would give AT&T the right to terminate.

- VDubb

I agree, but Video share is a separate rated charge on other phones, such as the BJ2, so don't expect any different with video-share capable iPhone.

Posted by: MarcoC

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Originally Posted by jsnead

I know 5MP camera phones without AF. 3G iPhone won't have AF.

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Originally Posted by BeyondTheTech

Would you call that "a bomb"? The next iPhone will be more available world wide, and not US focused as the first generation iPhone. In the last few weeks over 50+ countries have been announced to sell the iPhone this year. And in most countries, video calls have been available for a long time. Video conferencing has been available in my own country for almost 5 years, and guess what: nobody uses it. Video conferencing sucks.

Posted by: jsnead

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Originally Posted by MarcoC

3G iPhone won't have AF.

What makes you believe this?

Posted by: MarcoC

Look at how basic the iPhone is now, just one button. Also, no MMS. It doesn't really seem that Apple sees the camera as an important part of the iPhone experience.

Posted by: Greywolfmm

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Originally Posted by VDubb

I'm not directing this at you, but any carrier that offers steaming television, video calls, or whatever, and then limits you to 5gb is ripping the consumer off big time. It is highway robbery to the highest degree.

It's like household broadband companies capping users. All these legit websites offering streaming video might as well shut down because the customers will not be able to afford doing it for long.

It is sad that the US is in the dark ages when compared to other countries when it comes to broadband of any kind.

Posted by: redfox1

Wirelessly posted (NokiaN95_8GB-3;Mozilla/5.0 SymbianOS/9.2;U; Series60/3.1 NokiaN95_8GB-3/11.2.011 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 AppleWebKit/413 (KHTML, like Gecko) UP.Link/6.5.1.0.06.5.1.0.0)

sorry if this has been asked before but i cant read so many pages. Is next i phone supposed to have gps.

Posted by: Saoirse1916

That's the general consensus but nothing's been written in stone yet.

Posted by: rezarad77

any speculation on what the price will be?

Posted by: Saoirse1916

Loads of speculation, nothing definite. Possibly mimicking the prices of the original iPhone launch last year, possibly less. And then throw in the possibility of an AT&T subsidy and you get a lot of different price points.

Posted by: kz03jd

so what's this about the 3g iphone possibly having solar power??

Posted by: tang2007

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New batch of 3g?

Posted by: Anisoul

Tang, where'd you get the pics? Link?

Posted by: flip69

I don't think that this is real. Looks good thou. But whats with the strange apple logo on the back?

Posted by: tang2007

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Originally Posted by Anisoul

Tang, where'd you get the pics? Link?

Found it on another forum, i think it's photoshop job.

Posted by: BeyondTheTech

I don't think it required a whole new thread in the Apple forum, though.

Posted by: babikian

I saw It on the Iclarified.com yesterday.the link was mentioned but dont remember it right now.

Posted by: tang2007

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Originally Posted by BeyondTheTech

I don't think it required a whole new thread in the Apple forum, though.

It's the best "images" of 3g i found so far, since everybody so exited about it, i thought i'd share.

Posted by: Saoirse1916

http://iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=1209

"These pictures are most likely fake but they sure do look nice. I have posted them for discussion purposes..."

Posted by: berry_lthird

Here are my picks:

--3G (confirmed by AT&T)
--Two colors--Black, and Silver (confirmed by AT&T)
--NO removable media
--NO internal GPS, will still do assisted GPS
--NO Bluetooth A2DP/Stereo over Bluetooth
--NO hardware keyboard
--NO sync over Bluetooth, Bluetooth will remain crippled
--SAME 2 Megapixel camera
--WILL shoot video, length will be limited, no video or camera settings whatsoever
--WILL do some variation of MMS but not true MMS (see next tick)
--WILL have some connectivity widget to share pictures and videos over the web or maybe with other iPhones, but not true video calling
--Exchange services/"better" business productivity/connectivity tools (confirmed by Apple)
--Weak assortment of new widgets
--We will see some reflection of their current version of OS X Leopard in the iPhone (like Time Machine interface, Stacks, etc.)

I'm betting 50/50 on (could go either way):

--Copy/Paste
--Second facing iSight-like camera on the front
--Some sort of "voice tagging" feature (will not be system-wide--only for making calls to specific contacts)

Name of the beast:

--1st pick: iPhone 3G
--2nd pick: iPhone 2

You have to understand: Apple is about settings standards--not about duplicating what's already there. They're not going to take a hit on admitting that things like no voice dialing, video, mms, etc. are shortcomings: They are only going to improve what's already there with just a few minor enhancements. Their "killer app", so to speak, will be the ability for the phone to connect to 3G networks. They will not include any features that preclude a total noob/novice from enjoying their device--so don't expect to format a removable media card on your next iPhone.

Don't get your hopes up, people. Just look at the incremental improvements they've made to the iPod.

Posted by: XFF

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Originally Posted by berry_lthird

Here are my picks:

--NO internal GPS, will still do assisted GPS

If by "still" you're referring to the 1st gen iPhone, then that's a contradiction, since the current iPhone doesn't do GPS at all, neither autonomous nor assisted. The "Locate Me" feature you're possibly alluding to is based on CGI or SSID lookup from a location server and has nothing to do with GPS whatsoever.

I'd be perfectly happy if the 2nd gen iPhone had assisted GPS, but not the current (approximate) CGI/SSID location lookup service.

Posted by: berry_lthird

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Originally Posted by XFF

Thanks for clarifying that--you are right.

The feature I was talking about currently uses known GeoCoded WiFi hotspots.

This same feature will carry over to the next iPhone with NO internal GPS hardware (GPS chipset).

Posted by: Mark_K

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Originally Posted by kz03jd

so what's this about the 3g iphone possibly having solar power??

I don;t know about solar power but if it has add blockers in it that would make it worth it's weight in gold.

Posted by: kaiso

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Originally Posted by Mark_K

I don;t know about solar power...........

I actually heard it's using nuclear power to help with the power consumption that GPS, #G, videoconferencing, etc would have on the battery. It's a small piece of uranium the size of a 1 carat diamond.

Posted by: GarageBattle

These are my guesses:

Announcement Date: June 9th
Release Date: June 16th (for US, according to AT&T memo)

Upgrades:

1. 3g data for sure
2. GPS chipset
3. 16gb & 32gb size
4. 5mpx camera (or some camera upgrade)
5. potentially better screen material with less smudging
6. larger battery

Now this may be an interesting thought. It MAY be possible for Apple to do a tradein program towards the new iPhone. Since production of the new phone seems to be ceasing, there is still going to be demand for the original phone. Having a bunch of tradeins/refurbs allows the original iPhone to still be used for warranty replacements, or even subsidized pricing with new AT&T contracts.

Lastly the updates to the phone have to work with the existing software. This means that many aspects cannot change, but, things like GPS and 3g data dont really change anything with the built in software, just make it faster and more accurate. I would love to see video conferencing but I think its a stretch. Would love to see it though.

The new phone, IMHO, is intended not to replace the original phone, but be a higher end model, just as there are IPOD and IPOD TOUCH.

Posted by: MarcoC

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Originally Posted by kaiso

Solar power may sound a bit ridiculous, but it's not unthinkable. Apple recently patented some solar power technique in which solar panels are placed beneath the screen.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GarageBattle

These are my guesses:

Announcement Date: June 9th
Release Date: June 16th (for US, according to AT&T memo)

Upgrades:

1. 3g data for sure
2. GPS chipset
3. 16gb & 32gb size
4. 5mpx camera (or some camera upgrade)
5. potentially better screen material with less smudging
6. larger battery

Now this may be an interesting thought. It MAY be possible for Apple to do a tradein program towards the new iPhone. Since production of the new phone seems to be ceasing, there is still going to be demand for the original phone. Having a bunch of tradeins/refurbs allows the original iPhone to still be used for warranty replacements, or even subsidized pricing with new AT&T contracts.

Lastly the updates to the phone have to work with the existing software. This means that many aspects cannot change, but, things like GPS and 3g data dont really change anything with the built in software, just make it faster and more accurate. I would love to see video conferencing but I think its a stretch. Would love to see it though.

The new phone, IMHO, is intended not to replace the original phone, but be a higher end model, just as there are IPOD and IPOD TOUCH.

Why are you saying that? I'm pretty sure the iPhone will be EOL soon, it's already hardly available.

I don't think the camera will see a significant upgrade, and I'm still not convinced on the GPS. There's still no definitive sign of GPS, while the 3G is pretty much confirmed (3G enable option has been found in 2.0 beta firmware).

Posted by: bigmike20

Stop posting fake, photoshop pics please.Those are all over the net.

Also, the current iPhone is short on a lot of features and stuff, so the 2nd one will cover and address some of them but I bet you, after June 9th, we're still gonna back here and complain about what will be missing.

Posted by: akura2

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Originally Posted by flip69

I don't think that this is real. Looks good thou. But whats with the strange apple logo on the back?

the logo is chrome, and that's the relection

Posted by: GarageBattle

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Originally Posted by MarcoC

Solar power may sound a bit ridiculous, but it's not unthinkable. Apple recently patented some solar power technique in which solar panels are placed beneath the screen.Why are you saying that? I'm pretty sure the iPhone will be EOL soon, it's already hardly available.

I don't think the camera will see a significant upgrade, and I'm still not convinced on the GPS. There's still no definitive sign of GPS, while the 3G is pretty much confirmed (3G enable option has been found in 2.0 beta firmware).

im not saying it wont be EOL for a 'new' product, but it shouldnt stop AT&T from selling the refurbs (which is what they're already doing anyways). Also if Apple stops producing iPhones they are still going to need quantity for warranty replacement. What better then to have then people trading in their old ones to produce stock of a needed product.

Also increasing the camera quality will not affect the phone software, as it offers no major difference other than file size of pictures. There were originally talks of a chip with 3g/low power usage/5mpx camera. Wouldnt surprise me if its the same chip.

Posted by: tang2007

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is this it?

Posted by: MarcoC

Looks like a custom paintjob.

Posted by: satinsixstring

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Originally Posted by MarcoC

Looks like a custom paintjob.

Until you see the shot of the front where it's obviously hollow

Posted by: BeyondTheTech

Based on the newest Griffin mold designs for the updated iPhone, there's no reason a tiny light sensor should need something that big. And, if you think about it logically, the light sensor should be placed closest to the earpiece and in the center for lefties or righties.

For the opening to be that wide, it has to accomodate something with a formidable height. Based on the size of the hole of the rear camera, it can likely be a front camera.

One thing that others might have forgotten to mention (but complained about in the current generation iPhone) is a possibility of an LED indicator for missed calls, awaiting messages, etc.

So, the camera can be on one side, and the light indicators are on the other side, and the case will be symmetrical for asthetic purposes.

BUT, WAIT. Now that I'm thinking about it....

What if the top area is for full-blown stereo speakers? People were complaining about the lack of volume on the original iPhones, and the single speaker on the bottom? What if Apple changed it around and placed the speaker on the front and the microphone at the bottom alone? That could answer some of the other "leaked" images that lacked a bottom opening...

I'd rather have the two cameras.

Posted by: friedbrains

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Originally Posted by tang2007

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is this it?

what the heck is that fugly thing?

Posted by: I-Wanna-Madonna

forgive me but please....does anyone know the actually release date of the 3G iPhone?

also, how do you know if your Area has 3G or not?

thanks

Posted by: cokeman73

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Originally Posted by I-Wanna-Madonna

forgive me but please....does anyone know the actually release date of the 3G iPhone?

also, how do you know if your Area has 3G or not?

thanks

No one knows when it will be announced or sold, speculation is Apple will announce it on June 9th.

You can check 3G coverage on AT&T's site here

Posted by: I-Wanna-Madonna

Quote:

Originally Posted by cokeman73

No one knows when it will be announced or sold, speculation is Apple will announce it on June 9th.

You can check 3G coverage on AT&T's site here

thanks.

i checked and my city isn't in the blue area. Does that mean that I won't be able to use the internet at all? or does that mean it will just just EDGE instead of 3G???

oh and are they planning on extending 3G coverage after the phone is released???

thanks

Posted by: XFF

It means you'll be using EDGE just like today, so the 3G iPhone won't offer you faster data than the current one.

Eventually, AT&T will deploy 3G network-wide, but it'll be a couple of years until then.

Posted by: tang2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by cokeman73

No one knows when it will be announced or sold, speculation is Apple will announce it on June 9th.

You can check 3G coverage on AT&T's site here

I read on another site they should be available for sale June 18, no one knows forsure

Posted by: Saoirse1916

Quote:

Originally Posted by cokeman73

You can check 3G coverage on AT&T's site here

Interesting -- I checked about three weeks ago and my house was not in the 3G zone, which didn't surprise me since EVDO isn't available here either. But now it's showing that it is -- either AT&T did just make some changes in the area or they just updated their website. Either way, woo-hoo!

Posted by: jayimsu

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Originally Posted by Saoirse1916

Is 3G going to cost more than the current price of 20 for Edge?

Posted by: sportsfreak2159

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Originally Posted by jayimsu

Is 3G going to cost more than the current price of 20 for Edge?

They cant do this because, 3G is extremely scarce (I have it but I live in the nations capital, lol) But If I go to northern west MD 3g is NO where. they cant set a 3g data plan when most of the country is EDGE.

Posted by: tang2007

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Here is c/p from another site:

While the truth is, those so-called leaked 3G iPhone photos are all fake. As reported by Gizmodo, like the first time launch of iPhone, carrier do not have the chance to touch the real 3G iPhone. Carrier’s engineer said,

“Yes, we have iPhone 3Gs to test with their network and services. However, they are not the actual iPhones.”

That means they only get part of the hardware to test. It is not in the form of a final product. That means only a few Apple’s VIP people know how will the 3G iPhone look like. No one else will be able to see it or take any pictures. As you may know, Apple has a very top security.

The final 3G iPhone may look like similar to anyone above. But it’s time to stop thinking those leaked pictures in the future or currently on the internet are real.

Since 3G iPhone is a top secret in Apple, it is very impossible for manufaturer to produce any 3G iPhone cases.

Good news is, iPhone will have 3G.

Posted by: enlightenment

Apple United States Patent Application

Posted by: wookiee2cu

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Is 3G going to cost more than the current price of 20 for Edge?

If 3G is in your area, I wouldn't be shocked if they did. Reason being that now you have faster download speeds so odds are you will be downloading more so why not increase the price? I'm in Seattle and what's really stupid is they have different data plans for smartphones and pocket pcs. I have a Treo 750 and my buddy has the Blackjack, he surfs the net a heck of a lot more than I do but pays less for his data package because his phone is classified as a smartphone.

Posted by: VDubb

^^^ That would be a fantastic argument if it wasn't for the fact that all 3G non-PDA phones offer Unlimited data for the same price as their 2.5G siblings...

- VDubb

Posted by: JonnyBruha

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Originally Posted by wookiee2cu

Downloading what?

Posted by: elijah311

I thought this might be of interest:

http://skydeck.com/blog/mobilemarke...-be-subsidized/

The company (Synchronoss) that handles the software that allows iPhones (and modems and cable boxes) to be activated online posted their Q1 earnings and lowered 2008 expectations "in large part to reduced revenues associated with the iPhone."

Think AT&T will offer insurance, too?

Posted by: wookiee2cu

JonnyBruha, just downloading data, surfing the internet and what not. As far as PDA phones, the black jack and the treo both have keyoards and just about every other feature in common except for a touch screen, so it makes no sense to my why my data package would be more than my buddies.

Posted by: JonnyBruha

Web pages, even ones with large amounts of content will be very, very light for data traffic. The difference between the iPhone and either the Treo or the Blackjack is that both of them have a browser that supports downloading files from websites natively, so, on paper, they will use more data than the iPhone. The only heavy data that I see the 3G iPhone transmitting would be for downloading music over the iTunes store over 3G or if they establish a streaming video source as rumored.

The only reason AT&T would raise data prices for the iPhone would be because they can. Everybody's already suggested it, some people are already expecting it, so they might just bump the prices up just because they can, regardless of how little a difference it makes on their side of the network.

Posted by: parishmc

3G and GPS are fine but the iPhone desperately needs full featured bluetooth instead of the crippled crap they offer currently. at the minimum it needs DUN, A2DP, OBEX, PAN

Posted by: timmah333

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarcoC

They had found that to be a fake a week or so ago.

Check it here.

Posted by: Aurelian

Quote:

Originally Posted by timmah333

They had found that to be a fake a week or so ago.

Check it here.

Only if you'd kept up with news from the same day, you'd realize it wasn't faked:

"Enable 3G" setting in iPhone firmware NOT fake

Look, 3G has been confirmed so many times that to even suggest it's false is ridiculous. Not to mention that many of the networks announced are heavily dependent on it; the Hong Kong/Macau deal with 3 is a pretty good indication of this. The real question is how well the iPhone works on 3G.

As for another's comment on Bluetooth, saying at a minimum you want DUN, A2DP, OBEX, and PAN is akin to saying you want a minimum $1 million salary. That is everything you could ask for. I'm not expecting anything, and if there is anything, it'll probably be A2DP alone.

Posted by: Haas_Dave

Quote:

Originally Posted by wookiee2cu

The BJ[2] is a PDA according to AT&T just as the Treo is. Your friend needs to keep up with his bill, because he is using a plan that isn't designated for his phone and can get hosed with usage charges (this happened to me with my BJ when I first had it, the old Smartphone plan isn't a valid plan and they will charge PPU if they find him abusing it.)

Anyway, I can forsee AT&T forcing a minimum 30$/month data plan (incl. 1500 messages), but that is only to be seen...

Posted by: Haas_Dave

Quote:

Originally Posted by elijah311

I thought this might be of interest:

http://skydeck.com/blog/mobilemarke...-be-subsidized/

The company (Synchronoss) that handles the software that allows iPhones (and modems and cable boxes) to be activated online posted their Q1 earnings and lowered 2008 expectations "in large part to reduced revenues associated with the iPhone."

W.R.T. subsidization speculation, it shouldn't be hard for Apple to implement a instant online rebate on iTunes activation system, giving an applicable credit to the account after the trial period. This would also keep Apple from having to train their reps on anything new (besides the new phone's features) and still keep the phone locked to AT&T/Rogers in North America.

Posted by: Cell2Be

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Originally Posted by JonnyBruha

Downloading what?

Don't forget, the App Store will allow you to download via network, unlike itunes store on the iphone can only download via wifi. I do know this because I was watching the last keynote on the sdk just yesterday, and Jobs said that you would be able to download over the network.

Posted by: XFF

Makes good sense since apps are typically much smaller than music and video files.

Posted by: Lombardo05

i went to my local verizon today to update my voyager and i asked the guy if he had heard anything about verizon getting the iphone 2nd gen. and he said "we are currently trying to get speciefic phones on verizons network." so i said so its a possibility and he said "yes a great possibility but it probably wont happen until our 3rd quarter"

idk if hes full of ***** but he had a half grin on his face as he was telling me this...i have a voyager but would prefer an iphone, i just dont get one b/c i live in the country and at&t doesnt get any service out here.so i hope this is true...

Posted by: rainchild

Why is AT& T offering download speeds of just 1.4Mbs
(http://www.att.com/gen/press-room?p...rticleid=25726)

when the HS "Downlink" PA (Release 5) specs support up to 14.4 Mbs download speeds?

I'll be happy with 1.4 Mbs download speeds for the 3g iphone. I'm just confused by all these numbers that are being throw out there . What are we really going to get with the 3g iphones on AT&T network?

Posted by: homegeek

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Originally Posted by Lombardo05

i went to my local verizon today to update my voyager and i asked the guy if he had heard anything about verizon getting the iphone 2nd gen. and he said "we are currently trying to get speciefic phones on verizons network." so i said so its a possibility and he said "yes a great possibility but it probably wont happen until our 3rd quarter"

idk if hes full of ***** but he had a half grin on his face as he was telling me this...i have a voyager but would prefer an iphone, i just dont get one b/c i live in the country and at&t doesnt get any service out here.so i hope this is true...

I would go with He is full of crap! Unfortunately, Verizon uses CDMA where most of the world is on GSM including ATT. Because the 2 technologies are not compatible, I would be very surprised if Apple went through all the trouble of making a whole new version of the phone for such a limited market. Most salesman claim to know more then they really do. He was probaly just telling what you want to hear so you dont rush to leave Verizon.

Posted by: VDubb

^^^ Such a limited market...thank god LG, RIM, Samsung, HTC, etc. don't think like you. There are over 130 million CDMA subscribers in the US alone, with the number being even higher worldwide. I'm sure Apple would have had a CDMA version if they didn't have the exclusive agreement with AT&T preventing US sales of the phone.

- VDubb

Posted by: coupey

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Originally Posted by VDubb

^^^ Such a limited market...thank god LG, RIM, Samsung, HTC, etc. don't think like you. There are over 130 million CDMA subscribers in the US alone, with the number being even higher worldwide. I'm sure Apple would have had a CDMA version if they didn't have the exclusive agreement with AT&T preventing US sales of the phone.

- VDubb

uh you do know apple tried to release the iphone on verizons network, right?

not to mention companies like RIM typically make GSM phones and THEN cdma phones like a year after the GSM release, right?

Posted by: wookiee2cu

No way is verizon getting the iPhone, they have an exclusive deal with AT&T for a few years. I think they hit a year later this month.

Posted by: mouthbreather

New iPhone will be 22% thinner and have better battery life than previous iPhone according to:

http://www.appleinsider.com/article...ery_life.ht ml

Posted by: Softwaregenie07

New information:

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Digital Journal -- Investors and tech heads can never get enough Apple iPhone news, and this patent-filing by Apple, released this week by the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office, surely won't disappoint.

The massive 371-page document includes a number of product diagrams for features now well known in the iPhone, as well as many that have never been launched. The iPhone patent reveals features such as a GPS, video conferencing, video recording, and a "blog" and dictionary application that Apple has not included in the iPhone as of yet.

Patent link:http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph...oogle&RS=google
Article link:http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/255464

Posted by: luv2hum

all i am saying is that if such a hyped up unit is arriving in less than a week...why is there no ads saying as much...by this time last year there were press releases already about the upcoming release....where is the pr?

Posted by: goldsaint

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Originally Posted by luv2hum

all i am saying is that if such a hyped up unit is arriving in less than a week...why is there no ads saying as much...by this time last year there were press releases already about the upcoming release....where is the pr?

good point. i don't think we should expect something new, since Apple didnt announce anything. Unless, it will the same unit as the 1st gen iphone, and add 3G only.

that would kill me for the rest of my life

Posted by: Softwaregenie07

Yes I am thinking the same thing.Maybe sometime this week they will start running the press release.We are only 5 days away, so that is still plenty of time to get the gears rolling.All they would need actually is 2 days in advance.News travels ultra fast!!

Posted by: sportsfreak2159

It better be coming soon, cuz I just shipped out my old iPhone to a lucky bidder for 475 bucks (8GB). And right now, Im using this really crappy samsung from the old AT&T..lol

Posted by: Anisoul

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Originally Posted by luv2hum

It's NOT hyped up....It's just an update to an original like the iPod Classic to the iPod Video. It wasn't hyped up, just improved....Geez.

Posted by: GarageBattle

viral marketing

seems like its working pretty good so far

Posted by: Russpauly

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Originally Posted by Anisoul

It's NOT hyped up....It's just an update to an original like the iPod Classic to the iPod Video. It wasn't hyped up, just improved....Geez.

Ya I have to agree with you there. It seems to be that Apple just kinda releases a new ipod out there without really any sort of PR. But how horrible would it be to have Jobs talk about it at WWDC and then say "...expect it at the end of 2008..." OMG I would freak.

Posted by: goldsaint

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportsfreak2159

It better be coming soon, cuz I just shipped out my old iPhone to a lucky bidder for 475 bucks (8GB). And right now, Im using this really crappy samsung from the old AT&T..lol

lol. i know how it feels dude

its just a matter of time anyway

Posted by: sportsfreak2159

I have a feeling he is going to announce it on June 9th, and release it like the end of June or something and I'm cool with that. After WWDC, Ads will start to air on TV and more advertising will begin

Posted by: Anisoul

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportsfreak2159

I have a feeling he is going to announce it on June 9th, and release it like the end of June or something and I'm cool with that. After WWDC, Ads will start to air on TV and more advertising will begin

Posted by: Saoirse1916

Gizmodo seemed confident that the phone will be on sale on June 9th. While I'm not counting on that, my prediction is that the phone will indeed launch on the 9th at Apple stores and online at the typical $400 - $600 range with AT&T stores carrying the phone starting on the 16th for a subsidized price of $200 - $300. That would seem to lock it in with the AT&T no-vacation memo that we saw earlier if we assume that AT&T training starts somewhere between the 9th and the 15th -- since the phone is out on the 9th, no reason to be secretive about training.

Posted by: luv2hum

when is this happening?

Posted by: Russpauly

I am kind of thinking that what might happen is like a "pre-order" type deal. Jobs announces the Iphone on the 9th, and allows pre-orders on Apple.com or in Apple stores. Then it would be shipped to your place on the 15th and is available for sale at ATT stores and everywhere else you can get it..

Posted by: Anisoul

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Originally Posted by Russpauly

I am kind of thinking that what might happen is like a "pre-order" type deal. Jobs announces the Iphone on the 9th, and allows pre-orders on Apple.com or in Apple stores. Then it would be shipped to your place on the 15th and is available for sale at ATT stores and everywhere else you can get it..

That's sounds feasible. I'm hoping so, since it's a win-win. As long as it doesn't end up like the AT&T refurb fiasco.

Posted by: sportsfreak2159

Do u think people who are in contract with ATT can get it subsidized if they renew their contract?

Posted by: Anisoul

IF they are subsidized, ti will probably only benefit people who are eligible for upgrade.

Posted by: Russpauly

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Originally Posted by Anisoul

That's sounds feasible. I'm hoping so, since it's a win-win. As long as it doesn't end up like the AT&T refurb fiasco.

Ya I know what you mean. But I think that if you get one of the first sets of rephurbs then you should be fine. The only thing that I don't like about this would be that there isn't any sort of road trip involved to Portland to the Apple store with other crazed Iphone addicts.

Posted by: tendura

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Originally Posted by sportsfreak2159

Do u think people who are in contract with ATT can get it subsidized if they renew their contract?

I know this. There will be a bunch of irritated 1st gen iPhone owners assuming that they aren't allowed to get the new iPhone on an upgrade.

I'm using this launch of the new one as a chance to get an older one at a drastically reduced price.

Posted by: Anisoul

I think you have it backwards....The current users always get shafted. AT&T is looking to please new accounts first and old users last. Also, most phone don't care that much about a phone as long as it's free or close to it. There aren't enough HoFoers and addicts in the world to make that much of a difference,

Posted by: dmk1974

Depending on the price difference if there is a subsidization, perhaps it would be worth it to add an extra line to my share plan and take the subsidized phone? Figure $10/month for 24 months...could be about a wash?

Posted by: SynMoo

TUAW believes the photos on engadget are real and that the phone will not be available until late June early July:

http://www.tuaw.com/2008/06/04/ipho...ond-generation/

Posted by: Anisoul

I'm waiting until Monday because I honestly think that every single piece of information out there is simple speculation.

Posted by: kaibob

Even the LA Times is getting in on the speculation--the following article (which will only display today) is entitled "New Iphone is already here."

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-...0,5370614.story

BTW, I looked and didn't see this posted in the forum. If it is, I'll apologize in advance.

Posted by: jslappa

Modred

You are right that this LA Time's story hasn't been talked about before. But, it appears that the entire article is almost word-for-word from a Forbes.com article a few days back.

Posted by: Xarlon

AT&T's website is showing iPhones as out of stock. Didn't someone earlier say that they had plenty to last through the new release date? Or could they just be making room for something else?

Posted by: rapidstar

iPhone is out of stock both at Apple & at&t websites. This is definitely a sign of the new iPhone release?

Posted by: Xarlon

It's strange how they just happen to run out of both 8 and 16 gb versions at the same time. I don't think they sold out, but were pulled from site.

Posted by: elijah311

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Originally Posted by Xarlon

It's strange how they just happen to run out of both 8 and 16 gb versions at the same time. I don't think they sold out, but were pulled from site.

You think it beyond Jedi Master Steve Jobs to perfectly plan production and consumption to coincide with the release of OS 1.2, AT&T 3G, and App Store? With no iPhone 2.0 (GPS!) to back it up?

Mark my words, it'll be some next level ****. We might as well consider the iPod industry dead. It's all 3.5 inch multi-touch from here on.

Posted by: Xarlon

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Originally Posted by elijah311

You think it beyond Jedi Master Steve Jobs to perfectly plan production and consumption to coincide with the release of OS 1.2, AT&T 3G, and App Store? With no iPhone 2.0 (GPS!) to back it up?

Not really, but I do think that they are purposefully creating a false supply shortage. (Analogy: Kind of like Debeers. There are billions of diamonds available but if the one company that owned them made them available, their value would drop to zero.) Or, it could be that they are just holding the remainder of first gens back to use as backup replacements when the current phones under warranty fail. Either way. the likelihood that they both sold out at the same time is small. When they have the one day cake sales on refurbs, the 8 gig usually sells out first then a few hours later the 16 will be gone. Not so with these. They just magically sold out at the same moment.

Posted by: shaolinmonk

i wonder if apple will really slap everyone in the face by just offering nothing but a new case and a 3g chip... what would we all do then?

Posted by: Xarlon

Assuming that it has the built-in chip and not just the agps software, then we choose which color we want(assuming color options are available). I've already decided which color I'm going to get. Since the 1st gens are a thing of the past, what other options are there? I won't complain too much. I'm happy with my original, any upgrades at this point are just icing on the cake...

Posted by: shaolinmonk

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Originally Posted by Xarlon

Assuming that it has the built-in chip and not just the agps software, then we choose which color we want(assuming color options are available). I've already decided which color I'm going to get. Since the 1st gens are a thing of the past, what other options are there? I won't complain too much. I'm happy with my original, any upgrades at this point are just icing on the cake...

but then we would be rewarding apple for essentially doing nothing...i really hope there are a few gems in the 3g iphone.. and not just a barebones upgrade and some cheap paint...

Posted by: BeyondTheTech

In case you missed it...

LATEST RUMOR:
Jewish sources close to Steve Jobs revealed that the iPhone 2 (aka Mishiach) will be released on the Shavu'ot, Monday, June 9, 2008 (year 5768 for the Really Chosen People). It is currently being mass-produced at Hon Hai's Brooklyn-based facility under the supervision of Rabbi Moshe "Bubba" Chang for proper kosher certification. Upcoming iPhone 2 commercials will feature major Hollywood celebrities, such as Sacha Baron Cohen of "Borat" fame (only recently identified as the unnamed actor that was filming at the 5th Avenue Apple Store in NYC), Israeli-born actress Natalie Portman (scheduled to film in Europe early next week), and Jewish Filipino comedian-actor Rob Schneider (shooting completed on location in Hawaii). Walt Mossberg was recently spotted with a prototype of the iPhone 2. Asked how his 3G experience has been with it, he responded, "Oy, a mecheieh! Don't shlep, you better get your tuchas over to an Apple store Monday morning for one big megillah of an international launch."

Posted by: luv2hum

now that's funny!

Posted by: wookiee2cu

My guess as of to why they are off the websites is they don't want customers to purchase a current iPhone over the next few days and then get upset when the 3G is announced on Monday. Not everyone is up to date on what's slated to be released and when. Also, if the new iPhone is subsidized (big if), then I would think that should also lower the price of the current iPhones and that could create problems with clients as well. Buy the phone and then 4 days later it is $150 cheaper. Just my guesses.

Posted by: kaiso

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Originally Posted by luv2hum

now that's funny!

You mean it's not true?

Posted by: tang2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeyondTheTech

In case you missed it...

LATEST RUMOR:
Jewish sources close to Steve Jobs revealed that the iPhone 2 (aka Mishiach) will be released on the Shavu'ot, Monday, June 9, 2008 (year 5768 for the Really Chosen People). It is currently being mass-produced at Hon Hai's Brooklyn-based facility under the supervision of Rabbi Moshe "Bubba" Chang for proper kosher certification. Upcoming iPhone 2 commercials will feature major Hollywood celebrities, such as Sacha Baron Cohen of "Borat" fame (only recently identified as the unnamed actor that was filming at the 5th Avenue Apple Store in NYC), Israeli-born actress Natalie Portman (scheduled to film in Europe early next week), and Jewish Filipino comedian-actor Rob Schneider (shooting completed on location in Hawaii). Walt Mossberg was recently spotted with a prototype of the iPhone 2. Asked how his 3G experience has been with it, he responded, "Oy, a mecheieh! Don't shlep, you better get your tuchas over to an Apple store Monday morning for one big megillah of an international launch."

Finally, some reliable news!

Posted by: goldsaint

Quote:

Originally Posted by BeyondTheTech

lol, i lmao.

Posted by: rcpd34

Went to AT&T store today and he advised that they are not allowed to take any days off (vacation etc) 6/15-7/15.

Posted by: luv2hum

did they tell you when they would have the phone out or just about vacation?

Posted by: wookiee2cu

Ya, there was the leak of the AT&T memo vaction block a while back. Now the question is how many days of training is there going to be, that will pretty much tell us what day the iPhone will hit the stores.

Posted by: SynMoo

I think the phone will show up in Apple stores before AT&T stores.

Posted by: Anisoul

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I think the phone will show up in Apple stores before AT&T stores.

I agree. In fact, I'm hoping that's the case.

Posted by: wookiee2cu

Why would they do that though? I figured they would do the same exact thing they did with the initial launch, everyone has it the same morning.

Posted by: pballa2099

any chance on this being unlockable?? gonna sell my original iphone first and then unlock hopefully get a new one.

Posted by: wookiee2cu

No one will know until it's released and the wizards can get their hands on one.

Posted by: rcpd34

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Originally Posted by pballa2099

any chance on this being unlockable?? gonna sell my original iphone first and then unlock hopefully get a new one.

Anything is unlockable. The only question is how long will it take?

Posted by: jas5890

I spoke with an ATT representative today about switching from Verizon to ATT. I inquired about what the price of the new iphone 3G and its availability.

The representative stated that the price points would stay the same. However, for signing up with ATT, each iphone activated with ATT will receive a $200 mail in rebate as a subsidy. There will be a 16GB version at $399.99 and a 32GB version at $499.99. If you chose to sign up for a two-year contract with ATT, you can reduce those prices by $200 making the prices $199.99 and $299.99 respectively.

Also, the iPhone 3G, while supposedly will be announced next Monday, will most likely not be available until the 23rd of June. The last week of June is when both Apple and ATT has set aside to begin selling the new devices. There are going to be in store events and extra employees to assist with the launch. They received another corporate wide memo this week stating that the last week of June and the first week of July would be extremely busy because that was the first two weeks of the iPhone 3G release. Apple is announcing the phone approximately two weeks prior to when they will be selling the phone. Quite similar to their normal releases like the MacBook Air, etc.

hope this is helpful, -alex

Posted by: Anisoul

Did you record the conversation? You are going to need more proof than that. I'm suprised, EXTREMELY surprised that an AT&T Rep was able to provide that information to you, and so willing. We'll see on Monday though.

Posted by: jas5890

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Originally Posted by Anisoul

Did you record the conversation? You are going to need more proof than that. I'm suprised, EXTREMELY surprised that an AT&T Rep was able to provide that information to you, and so willing. We'll see on Monday though.

I was surprised too. But he was also trying to get me to sign up for a family plan with FOUR iphones and cancel FOUR existing lines with Verizon. But he was positive about the $200.00 Mail in rebate.

I am not a frequent HOFO user and rarely post. I am not trying to get anyone's hopes up or provide anyone with false information. I know that Sales Reps can be totally incorrect sometimes but I am just relaying what I was told. You can take it with a grain of salt for all I care, but seeing as how eager everyone is for information, I just wanted to share what little I was told.

It could be false or 100% correct. Like you said, no one will truly know until Monday.

Posted by: JonnyBruha

People with 6 posts don't lie.

Posted by: jas5890

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonnyBruha

People with 6 posts don't lie.

Am i sensing sarcasm? Because I truly would not waste my time lying on an iPhone thread to try and get peoples' hopes up.

If that was what I spent my time doing then I would need some serious psychiatric help. You can take my comment any way you like but I would appreciate it if you would refrain form calling me a liar as you yourself do not know if this is true or false either. I did not have to post that in the first place and i can delete it just as easily if it annoys you so much.

Posted by: Saoirse1916

Quote:

Originally Posted by jas5890

You can take my comment any way you like but I would appreciate it if you would refrain form calling me a liar...

Right on. Why call this guy a liar -- he said in his second post that he knew the information could very well be false but he was passing along what he heard. After all, this thread is entitled "Rumors & Speculation" so what's the harm?

Anyway, the subsidy part sounds very realistic -- particularly the mail-in rebate part. While annoying, MIRs serve a very useful purpose and in this case it makes a lot of sense that the AT&T/Apple partnership would turn this direction. Apple still sells the phone for their high retail rates but those who want to take on a 2 year deal get some money back from the carrier.

I'm doubtful about the timeframe only because there have been so many conflicting reports about actual launch dates I'm hesitant to jump on any particular date as a sure thing.

Posted by: Anisoul

Thanks for the info though. I mean, $200 mail in rebate definately "rings my bells"

Posted by: pballa2099

well if my iphone sells for 350-450 i will defiantly be picking up a 32 gig.

Posted by: jas5890

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anisoul

Thanks for the info though. I mean, $200 mail in rebate definately "rings my bells"

The reason for the $200 mail in rebate is because of the mass amount of iPhones that have been unlocked and not used with ATT. This encourages people to use the phone with ATT. Before, there was no enticement for people to buy the phone and use it with ATT except for the warranty with Apple. However, now, if you use your phone with ATT, you save $200 and ATT still makes a profit.

This also has no effect on Apple at all as only iPhones activated through ATT will recieve the rebate. There have been close to 7 million iPhones sold since its introduction i believe? Did ATT really add 7 million in customers? No... Did it add 5 million? I dont think so...

Verizon paid approximately $2100 for each Alltel customer it acquired today in its purchase of Alltel for a total of $28.1 Billion dollars. I would assume that $200 a pop for each new ATT customer due to an iPhone contract would be more than worth it as they would pay $1900 less for each customer. Verizon could only dream of that... think about it.

Posted by: shaolinmonk

http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/05/...reen-leaks-out/

can't wait till monday.

3 iphones would be sick..

current model with new case

iphone mini/nano

3g iphone

bummer these screens don't have any design that indicates a front video cam

Posted by: JonnyBruha

I didn't call anyone a liar.

Posted by: sportsfreak2159

Now, what about if ur already with ATT but are willing to renew ur contract....

Posted by: Xarlon

Quote:

Originally Posted by jas5890

This makes more sense than any thing I've read to date. I was worried that they might do away with the current activation process, but after thinking about it I realized they can't. To reach the sales goal of 10 million iPhones sold by years end, they have to overlook the loophole in the 5 year exclusivity contract and allow for other people to buy the phone besides ATT customers. They both make a profit on the sale and now ATT has a way to encourage buyers to sign a contract without twisting their arm. It's a win-win situation.

Posted by: TenTwelve

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Originally Posted by sportsfreak2159

Now, what about if ur already with ATT but are willing to renew ur contract....

Bend over and bring lube....

Posted by: wookiee2cu

Not necessarily, the last phone I bought I still had time left on my current 2 year contact and all I had to do was sign another 2 year contract so I started the 2 years all over again. I did not have to pay any extra fee's or penalties. Their whole goal is to keep you for 2 years, what does it matter if you already have a contaract with them. They want to retain you as a customer so they just let you sign up for another 2 years and get the discount. This is the iPhone though, so we will have to wait and see. I'd be surprised if they don't give the discount to current customers as long as they sign the 2 year contract.

Posted by: SynMoo

I'll sign another two year.. I don't care. I'm moving to Canada by the end of 09 so I'll get out then anyway with no ETF because they don't offer service in Canada. :-)

Posted by: luv2hum

i assume you know about this....
http://www.informationweek.com/news...cleID=207402178

june 18th?

Posted by: luv2hum

i meant this.....sorry

http://www.informationweek.com/news...cleID=208402512

Posted by: AsahiToro

Will I be able to use one of my upgrades (Family plan here) when getting an iPhone or do I have to sign-up for a whole new line?

Thanks for any input.

Posted by: wookiee2cu

Honestly, I don't think there is any way to know. Even if with current phones they would allow you to do this without signing up for a new line, since it's the iPhone, they may not allow you to do this and you will have to open a new line. You won't know until you go to the store and buy one.

One thing in the article, it said

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The next-generation iPhone, which will be available June 18,

, how do they know it will be in the stores June 18th? Their comments about the prices being so low (with the rebate) and how it's not going to happen, at least initially, make sense. I hope they are wrong and do offer a rebate from the get go but why would they when they don't have to? Plus, what would they sell all the old iPhones for? They certainly couldn't ask the same price as the 3G models so that would make them $100ish phones, I just can't see them doing that. Man I can't wait until Monday so there will be no more speculation!!

Posted by: Mark_K

Quote:

Originally Posted by AsahiToro

Will I be able to use one of my upgrades (Family plan here) when getting an iPhone or do I have to sign-up for a whole new line?

Thanks for any input.

Hey where did you get that Avitar from?

Posted by: hatr3d

Boy, a 200 dollar rebate would actually make me consider looking into the iPhone!

I've been on the fence as to where I want to go until I get the full details of the phone and rates. The wait is killing me!

Posted by: playsccr

does anyone know whether they will continue to activate phones over itunes like before using synchronoss technologies?

Posted by: FattyChalupa

http://gizmodo.com/5014197/iphone-2...lus-red-version

Sorry if this is a repost but.....
-If you want to use the front facing camera for iChat you need a Wi-Fi connection
-STEREO SPEAKERS!!!(is it sad thats what I'm most excited about

)
-Comes in either black or red

Other than that nothing really new than what we already know

Posted by: MarcoC

You forgot to mention the following point:
- It's a fake.

Posted by: Anisoul

Contour is suggesting that multiple iPhones will be released....This is getting way out of hand...and I LOVE it

Posted by: BeyondTheTech

What we know is how much we really don't know. The rumor mill is spinning so fast and crazy, Ryan Block of Engadget says there's no video conferencing, yet other sites insist on it. All these teasers with mystery boxes show nothing, and if they even show a portion of a box, just like these other supposed cases and molds in standard blurry picture format, they show just enough to show nothing definitive. It's almost annoying at this point, but I point the finger at Apple thinking they are the ones pushing these tiny blog sites with this kind of info.

Posted by: Russpauly

http://www.engadget.com/2008/06/07/...re-wwdc-editio/

Ya, total fake. engadget did a pretty good and recent report on the most recent iphone photos. Sorry to rain on your party...

Posted by: Lombardo05

http://gizmodo.com/5013685/sneak-ph...leopard-banners

anyone see this yet?

Posted by: Anisoul

Yes, that was posted last night.

Posted by: Failed Engineer

It would be a worthwhile exercise to compile all of these supposed leaked pictures and see if any of them actually end up being correct. Anyone doing that already?

Posted by: Haas_Dave

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Originally Posted by Lombardo05

http://gizmodo.com/5013685/sneak-ph...leopard-banners

anyone see this yet?

Is it just me or does it on the left side say "The World calling" on the name screen?

EDIT: Somebody said "The Future" is what's on the banner... that makes more sense maybe.

This is pretty expected. It is a developer's convention and the iPhone/Touch SDK is a big item right now.

Posted by: enlightenment

Gizmodo link

This looks like a promising picture. Not sure on the authenticity, but looks pretty good to me.

Posted by: enlightenment

Quote:

Originally Posted by enlightenment

Gizmodo link

This looks like a promising picture. Not sure on the authenticity, but looks pretty good to me.

nevermind... Engadget says it's fake

Posted by: rshipp

I am already tired of looking at that goof ball's face in the fake pic

Posted by: Haas_Dave

My last visit to AT&T Corp stores yesterday further enforces my expectation of no subsidy on the new model iPhone. I asked about adding a line to my account and asked questions about subsidies and discounts. They do not expect a new shipment of iPhones until around the 17th. Plus I asked about getting a subsidy on any phone and still specifically said that the iPhone is excluded and won't sell for any different priced than the current listings (400-500).

Hope for the best, but I expect nothing new price-wise.

Posted by: MiamiCane11

Never believe a word that comes out of an AT&T sales associate mouth. They have no knowledge on any certain dates or prices unless they can produce a price sheet. Most employees are young men and women who have no idea about cellular phones and spread rumors. So the "17th date" is just rumor that they probably read about online such as HowardForums or another forum and there just telling you that. No one knows exact dates unless big time players in Apple and Steve Jobs.

Posted by: Haas_Dave

Quote:

Originally Posted by MiamiCane11

Never believe a word that comes out of an AT&T sales associate mouth. They have no knowledge on any certain dates or prices unless they can produce a price sheet. Most employees are young men and women who have no idea about cellular phones and spread rumors. So the "17th date" is just rumor that they probably read about online such as HowardForums or another forum and there just telling you that. No one knows exact dates unless big time players in Apple and Steve Jobs.

Mind you this is after about 6 hours and at least a half dozen stores in more than one city, and those I talked to would be about 40 (Even the one I knew that I bought my 4GB from unknowing of the price drop that day said this)... so I'm seriously doubting that it is a common item if people who aren't young enough to be 'elite' and look at HoFo or blogs...

Add in the knowledge of the vacation 'blackout' dates and the day the online store delisted the current iPhone (which puts that 14 day window around the 17th), I highly doubt the phone won't be available in most stores til then.

Also, Corp store equipment discounts are $150 (unless you are a business account) for new activations and usually lower for upgrades (this has been the case for at least a year now, when I bought my Blackjack) so I'm thinking a 200$ discount is unlikely, at least at a Corp store. A mail in rebate is still possible, but that would go to Apple to reimburse AT&T and I seriously doubt they'll do so given the reluctance of the last price drop on then current customers...

But to one his own and this obviously could be wrong, but it still seems like it is the case.

Posted by: monit88

Do you guyies know of any place where we will be able to see the keynote speech LIVE ? On any tv channel or online?
Thanks

Posted by: MiamiCane11

You cannot see it LIVE. Only a couple hours later on the Apple site. So you have to rely on Engadget, Gizmodo and every other electronic blog.

Posted by: Anisoul

You CAN see it live....macrumorslive.com is hosting a live streaming feed.

Posted by: nin1974

What time will it be ET time?

Posted by: Anisoul

1:00 Pm (est)

Posted by: sportsfreak2159

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anisoul

You CAN see it live....macrumorslive.com is hosting a live streaming feed.

dude, thanks for the tip. is it good quality?

Posted by: Anisoul

Not sure....I just happened to see it on their site.

Posted by: jutt

it's not going to be actual footage.. just live updates as they come

Posted by: Anisoul

OHHH, thanks for the correction.

Posted by: sportsfreak2159

Quote:

Originally Posted by jutt

it's not going to be actual footage.. just live updates as they come

oh, so its just like any other blog site. I know macrumors is the best cuz they use AJAX

Posted by: shivers316

Oh, btw....15 hours and 50 minutes left. You're welcome.

Posted by: No Nothing

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anisoul

You CAN see it live....macrumorslive.com is hosting a live streaming feed.

I can't wait to see how many hits that site has.

I want so badly for it to be over killed with features. Some that it should have had at release along with improvements in other locations. I'm accustomed to this with Apple's computers. Lead, don't follow.

PS. Someone was talking about the 1700mhz for 3G on T-Mobile but my question is if anyone knows of another network on that band?

Posted by: Anisoul

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Originally Posted by No Nothing

Wishful thinking

. But not too much longer to ge before we actually find out.

I'm just really curious to see what's in store and really, when it is supposed to release.

Posted by: kirangala

would a 3G phone support voip calling toooo

Posted by: kirangala

also what 3G phones do u recommend out of the ones available in todays market

thanks

Posted by: sportsfreak2159

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Originally Posted by kirangala

also what 3G phones do u recommend out of the ones available in todays market

thanks

tilt is good

Posted by: RogerPodacter

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Originally Posted by kirangala

would a 3G phone support voip calling toooo

its very doubtful because there were phones released this year that had the front facing camera, but ATT specifically requested the manfucaturer remove it for the ATT version. so it looks as if ATT just does not want to have video calling yet in the USA. UK has had video calling a few years now, but it hasnt taken off well. personally i think it would be useful for certain situations. hell my n95 has the front facing camera, but ATT's network doesnt support it so all i can use it for is as a mirror

actually i send many 30 second video MMS clips to my family back home, and its pretty good. its the closest thing right now other than the stupid video share service ATT has.

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Originally Posted by kirangala

also what 3G phones do u recommend out of the ones available in todays market

thanks

TILT is one of the best, but its huge and bulky and is slow going to landscape mode sometimes to type texts. my n95-4 is the best 3G phone right now for the ATT network IMO, but we wont go there in this fourm.

ATT has many others, the moto Q, the samsung BJ2, etc.

Posted by: XFF

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Originally Posted by No Nothing

PS. Someone was talking about the 1700mhz for 3G on T-Mobile but my question is if anyone knows of another network on that band?

metroPCS and Cricket are deploying CDMA2000 in the AWS band, but as far as UMTS, T-Mobile is so far the one and only carrier to use the AWS band. AT&T also holds considerable spectrum in the AWS band, but they announced that they will reserve it for LTE deployment in a few years. Other countries in the Americas have announced that they will offer AWS spectrum for CMRS deployment, but nothing live yet AFAIK.

Posted by: oldManinFL

CBS news has reported today on TV, both national and local, report the iPhone can be purchased today with 3g, GPS, and video messaging (I guess that may be conferencing).

Posted by: Anisoul

Most news channels get their information for forums like these. Check out the keynote at 1:00 PM (EST) to get the real "scoop"

Posted by: oldManinFL

I know, but this was the 1st time I saw any report on TV about the new phone. They also say 22% thinner, longer battery, lower price. Arn't news channels suppose to verify report before airing them on TV? lol

Posted by: MiamiCane11

Nice your'e from Merritt Island, FL. I passed that on my way to Cocoa Beach last time.

I have a strong gut feeling that in six hours time the 3G iPhone will be announced and immediately available at Apple Stores nationwide.

Posted by: MiamiCane11

Also,

I just read several articles online about Apple retail stores "already received" unidentified boxes with strict instructions for them not to be opened until Monday June 9th. Here is my prediction: immediately available in the USA at Apple Stores today, later in the week or following week available @ ATT stores and within weeks to follow it will be available internationally.

Posted by: davyo

Interesting,,, Just saw a report on CNN a few minutes ago that said there would be more than one iPhone anounced today, one would be a cheaper version with less features that would be selling for $99.00.

Saw it on CNN at 5:30 am Las Vegas time.

All these rumors,,, very funny,, I wonder which ones will be correct.

Cheers
Davyo

Posted by: redsoxsuk

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Originally Posted by MiamiCane11

Nice your'e from Merritt Island, FL. I passed that on my way to Cocoa Beach last time.

I have a strong gut feeling that in six hours time the 3G iPhone will be announced and immediately available at Apple Stores nationwide.

I hope they're in the stores today, but I wouldn't bet on it. Prolly by the end of this week.

Posted by: Mark_K

I am in Baltimore today and I just heard on a radio news program (8:30 am)that the iPhone will be announced today. It will be 3G and cost $199.00 w/ 2 year contract.

Posted by: Anisoul

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Originally Posted by redsoxsuk

I hope they're in the stores today, but I wouldn't bet on it. Prolly by the end of this week.

It's hard to say with Apple. I remember when the iPod Classic came out, it was available as soon as it was announced. Hopefully, HOPEFULLY with the drought, Steve-O will unleash it on the world today.

I'm just glad that all of the rumors and speculation will come to a halt. Also, I wouldn't rely on new sources because most of their "information" comes from sites like this one.

Posted by: sportsfreak2159

I just keep thinking in my head...what if he doesnt even announce it. lol, that would suck sooooo much

Posted by: Anisoul

Apple Store is DOWN!!!

Posted by: jersellis

Ya I was just gonnnnna say that the Appppple store is doooown too. So excited cant ttttyyppe!!!

Posted by: terryjohnson16

That would be some bull crap if as soon as Steve announces it, he says its available tonight at 6pm, since the stores will be closed for 3 hours while they restock.

Posted by: terryjohnson16

I wonder if Apple will change the game by saying you have to activate it in the stores now, and that v2.0 is more locked down than before. I hope the jailbreakers are ready.

Posted by: X97R

apple canada is also down...yay

Posted by: melmac

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Originally Posted by MiamiCane11

Also,

I just read several articles online about Apple retail stores "already received" unidentified boxes with strict instructions for them not to be opened until Monday June 9th. Here is my prediction: immediately available in the USA at Apple Stores today, later in the week or following week available @ ATT stores and within weeks to follow it will be available internationally.

They've widely discounted this as a fan fake, and not a very convincing one at that. They may launch/be available online today, but those photos/reports were faked. The video conferencing rumor has also been debunked by Engadget and a couple other sites that would legitimately have sources in Apple.

Posted by: TheGSRGuy

Oddly enough, my local Apple Store (North Michigan Ave, Chicago, IL) has absolutely NO line forming right now...

Posted by: sk2sep2304

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Originally Posted by Anisoul

Apple Store is DOWN!!!

so are we getting some kind of new hardware? "...so you're saying I have a chance".