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Originally Posted by SHoTTa35
Technology usually moves forward people
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| That sound you hear is the not-yet-released nüvifone trembling in fear, as TomTom has just announced that an iPhone-ready version of its famed navigation software is practically ready to rock 'n roll. More specifically, a TomTom spokesman was quoted as saying that its "navigation system runs on the iPhone already," and he made the statement hot on the heels of the iPhone 3G announcement. Sadly, he wouldn't disclose an estimated release date for the software, but it's safe to say that the TomTom touch could make Apple's darling a formidable nüvifone opponent. |
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AMSTERDAM (Reuters) - Dutch navigation device maker TomTom already has a version of its navigation software running on Apple's iPhone and has plans to sell it to consumers, a spokesman said on Monday. "Our navigation system runs on the iPhone already," the TomTom spokesman said after Apple announced a new version of the iPhone that will include global positioning (GPS) capability. The spokesman did not say when TomTom, Europe's biggest maker of car navigation devices, would be ready to start selling the software. |
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Originally Posted by ivwshane
I wonder how much it will cost and if the maps will be stored locally?
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Originally Posted by tks989
if this works fine on T-Mobile without needing 3G... thats all i need. i'll be happy!
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Originally Posted by KDarling
TomTom Navigator 6 for PDAs is around $150 on DVD. Yes, maps are locally stored. Less than 2GB, I think (could be wrong).
My big question is, does TomTom keep running even when a call comes in? Or does it exit as Apple wishes for most apps to do? |
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Originally Posted by ivwshane
$150!!!!
I guess google maps is good enough! I was expecting $40. Besides maps what else do you get for $150? |
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Originally Posted by KDarling
TomTom Navigator 6 for PDAs is around $150 on DVD. Yes, maps are locally stored. Less than 2GB, I think (could be wrong).
My big question is, does TomTom keep running even when a call comes in? Or does it exit as Apple wishes for most apps to do? |
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Originally Posted by cowboy1964
TomTom (and all the others I've seen) are way too overpriced. You can buy nice standalone GPS units for what they want to charge just for their software.
I expect some little guy to come out with a turn-by-turn app for the iPhone before too long. It shouldn't be that difficult. Google maps already gives you the directions, all we need is an app to turn that (no pun intended) into turn-by-turn steps. |
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Originally Posted by cowboy1964
TomTom (and all the others I've seen) are way too overpriced. You can buy nice standalone GPS units for what they want to charge just for their software.
I expect some little guy to come out with a turn-by-turn app for the iPhone before too long. It shouldn't be that difficult. Google maps already gives you the directions, all we need is an app to turn that (no pun intended) into turn-by-turn steps. |
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Originally Posted by Neo541
I've been waiting for the iPhone to include GPS, but now that it does, I have a question.
Does anyone know if A-GPS instead of GPS would bar the iPhone from working on the T-Mobile network? |
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Originally Posted by tks989
thats my question also. i don't like the sound of assisted gps
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Originally Posted by SHoTTa35
Technology usually moves forward people
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Originally Posted by SHoTTa35
Why wouldn't you? Assisted doesn't mean crippled like a assisting the lil old lady to cross the street. Assisted means it can get satalite information online instead of having the GPS chip search for the satalites to lock. If the chip knows where the satalites are/will be then it can lock faster.
aGPS is normal GPS with more features. Technology usually moves forward people |
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Originally Posted by Neo541
Agreed, except our concern is about unlocked phones and using on another network. Where does the "assist" come from at that point? Or does it render the GPS useless if it tries to get the assist, and realizes it's not approved?
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Originally Posted by KDarling
What we don't know yet, is if it is
1) Handset based aGPS -- Carrier server centers give assistance only in speeding up the first location lock. Phone GPS can also operate standalone. or 2) Handset assisted aGPS --- (1), plus all calculations are done by the servers, not at the phone. Much cheaper handset. Obviously handset based (1) is preferable. |
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Originally Posted by KDarling
TomTom Navigator 6 for PDAs is around $150 on DVD. Yes, maps are locally stored. Less than 2GB, I think (could be wrong).
My big question is, does TomTom keep running even when a call comes in? Or does it exit as Apple wishes for most apps to do? |
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Originally Posted by superlatives
Folks:
I would LOVE to see an iPhone version of Nokia Maps 2.0 Reason: Nokia Maps does something that no other (that I know of) navigation s/w does -- it gives you WALKING directions. Here in Boston, Nokia Maps 2.0 even diagrams footpaths in Boston Common and the Public Garden. It also gives walking directions on streets which are one-way. |
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Originally Posted by remo74tg
I really hope TomTOM is available with real GPS. I've been in the limousine business for about ten years and tried different GPS units since they became available and I'd say without a doubt TomTom is the best.
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Originally Posted by BoomerangToss
That's an interesting feature. Do you have to stare at a screen or does it talk to your earbud so you can keep your eyes on your surroundings?
"'Best Burgers' in 5 steps on your left across the street. Disorderly conduct in 10 steps on your right. You have arrived! Now GET DISORDERLY!" Andy |
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Originally Posted by BoomerangToss
That's an interesting feature. Do you have to stare at a screen or does it talk to your earbud so you can keep your eyes on your surroundings?
"'Best Burgers' in 5 steps on your left across the street. Disorderly conduct in 10 steps on your right. You have arrived! Now GET DISORDERLY!" Andy |
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Originally Posted by remo74tg
I really hope TomTOM is available with real GPS. I've been in the limousine business for about ten years and tried different GPS units since they became available and I'd say without a doubt TomTom is the best.
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Originally Posted by RogerPodacter
yeah nokia maps is alright, but garmin is better on my phone. the walking mode of nokia maps can certainly speak out loud or thru your headset while you walk. it also has satellite image mode similar to google maps, but it leaves a bread crumb trail behind you so you can see where you came from.
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Originally Posted by superlatives
Andy:
For WALKING, you have to stare at the screen. In Nokia Maps 2.0, voice navigation is provided only for driving directions. Walking directions are plotted on map only (no voice). Still, the best part is that the "calculated route" in Nokia Maps takes into account "footpaths", rather than JUST sidewalks. Here's a screen shot of a walking route through Boston Common: The big red dot is where you are, the smaller ones are where you've been. And the dark grey line is the calculated route. |
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Originally Posted by RogerPodacter
Why would you stare at your phone screen all the time? I think a quick glance down at the screen like a normal human being is how most people use it lol. Some of the thinking in this forum lol...
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Originally Posted by f1restarter
There is a comparison between the latest Tom Tom (930) and the Nuvi 780 I believe where Tom Tom was off the mark by about 2 city blocks and the Nuvi was dead on. Most reviewers say that while Tom Tom is best for europe, it isn't that accurate in the USA, especially when compared to the Nuvi.
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Originally Posted by jvanbrecht
TomTom pricing is $99 for the software only option, same as the Garmin software only option. That does not include the cost of the monthly service if you want traffic updates and other services.
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Originally Posted by RogerPodacter
Why would you stare at your phone screen all the time? I think a quick glance down at the screen like a normal human being is how most people use it lol. Some of the thinking in this forum lol...
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Originally Posted by superlatives
F1:
Did the review comment about the satellite lock status of both systems (did each have the same number of satellites locked to the receiver)? Also remember that accuracy is based upon the chip used. The Broadcom chip which will be used in the iPhone 3G will NEVER be as accurate -- even with network assist -- as a handset with the SIRFStar II or MTK chip. |
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Originally Posted by jvanbrecht
AGPS is not really a step forward...
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Now if this happens! | There are also other rumors that has the Dash navigation software loaded onto the iPhone too, which would put a very connected experience into the hands of iPhone users. The advanced traffic capabilities would be a plus. |
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Originally Posted by BoomerangToss
So will the iPhone be able to do instant re-routing after missing an exit or turn? I don't see it.
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| I'll be happier with a separate GPS. |
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Originally Posted by Sonix
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Originally Posted by flyingdutchman
I honestly would never use any phone GPS for turn by turn directions. Phones cannot compete with the likes of the Dash.
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Originally Posted by flyingdutchman
I honestly would never use any phone GPS for turn by turn directions. Phones cannot compete with the likes of the Dash.
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Originally Posted by Sonix
I've been gone all day so if the iPhone can now use Garmin XT mobile it's news to me.
But both CoPilot and Garmin(both WM apps) use phone data....and the feeds(weather traffic motel.com etc.) are free. Tom tom makes you pay for them! |
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Originally Posted by flyingdutchman
I honestly would never use any phone GPS for turn by turn directions. Phones cannot compete with the likes of the Dash.
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Originally Posted by nicktuso
I would buy a gps application for my current phone if i could do so. I don't know how that would or would not work.
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Originally Posted by superlatives
Right now, it wouldn't work.
However ... IF Apple's 2.0 firmware includes support for the Serial Port Profile of Bluetooth 2.0, and IF you can "buy" or get free Google Maps, then you COULD spend $60 on an external Bluetooth GPS receiver. Size of a Bic lighter. I did, even though the Nokia N95 has internal A-GPS, and am very happy. Internal A-GPS chips will never be as accurate or as fast as an external receiver. |
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Originally Posted by BoomerangToss
Google isn''t the end all, be all when it comes to GPS. They are a late player to the game.
Google Earth, I give them credit for that. But you have to have freedom of choice. Google will slowly fade away, imho. Andy |
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Originally Posted by jvanbrecht
I did not say it will use XT, I was responding on the original poster stating a $150 price range.
However, Garmin is in a slight bind.. they have the nuvifone coming out, which won't be cheap ($600 was the last rumour and about the cost of an avg non subsidized phone). But the iphone will have much greater consumer uptake then any phone that garmin releases (hell no one outside the geek community even knows about it, but everyone knows about the iphone), so for Garmin not to release a product for the iphone, will be suicide on their part (atleast amongst the competing software only applications) |
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Apple's always been known for its amusingly-conservative disclaimers (you can't use iTunes to "design a nuclear weapon," for example) and it looks like the products-liability team at the Fruit has had their way with the iPhone SDK agreement as well, inserting a provision specifically prohibiting developers from creating apps "marketed for real time route guidance; automatic or autonomous control of vehicles, aircraft, or other mechanical devices; dispatch or fleet management; or emergency or life-saving purposes." Yep, that's right -- no real-time route guidance (or, uh, fleet management) allowed. That'd be a huge bummer -- except, of course, that TomTom has already come out and said that its app is ready to go on the iPhone. Assuming TomTom used the SDK and not the jailbreak toolchain, we'd bet that Apple is just covering its *** here and that it's worked out an agreement with TomTom to pass along any liability -- you can bet Steve doesn't want to get sued when iPhone users start careening into sandpiles and into oncoming trains. We'll see for sure when the App Store finally launches, though -- until then, it's all just cheap speculation. Update: Astute commenter Austin points out that these terms are copied almost word-for-word from the Google Maps API terms -- which means that TomTom and others are probably free to use their own maps to do real-time guidance |
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Originally Posted by BoomerangToss
Google isn''t the end all, be all when it comes to GPS. They are a late player to the game.
Google Earth, I give them credit for that. But you have to have freedom of choice. Google will slowly fade away, imho. Andy |
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Originally Posted by jvanbrecht
That whole real time guidance thing has already been explained, it its most likely not related to a user using it for navigation, but rather integrating the gps/guidance application in something that will use that info for autonomous use... like say autopilot on boats and planes... Thats my take on it anyways.
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Originally Posted by jvanbrecht
That whole real time guidance thing has already been explained, it its most likely not related to a user using it for navigation, but rather integrating the gps/guidance application in something that will use that info for autonomous use... like say autopilot on boats and planes... Thats my take on it anyways.
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Originally Posted by nicktuso
I would buy a gps application for my current phone if i could do so. I don't know how that would or would not work.
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Originally Posted by BoomerangToss
Pretty much, if you're not a road-hauler or don't travel outside of your 10-mile radius world, or offer pizza delivery, GPS is pretty useless.
For the 8,000 mile road trip or your in a new city, it's extremely useful. How often? I dunno. As the price of gas rises, GPS shortcuts would be beneficial, except like AAA who trip tix (no GPS about it) routes you past paid advertisers which Google maps probably does too. 'Nuf said. Andy |
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Originally Posted by nicktuso
I would never use the actual gps...my google maps right now on 1.1.4 is amazing. It finds me and routes me to where I need to go quickly all over edge. I have never had a problem using it and never gotten lost using it. I agree with you 100%
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Originally Posted by BoomerangToss
Pretty much, if you're not a road-hauler or don't travel outside of your 10-mile radius world, or offer pizza delivery, GPS is pretty useless.
For the 8,000 mile road trip or your in a new city, it's extremely useful. How often? I dunno. As the price of gas rises, GPS shortcuts would be beneficial, except like AAA who trip tix (no GPS about it) routes you past paid advertisers which Google maps probably does too. 'Nuf said. Andy |
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Originally Posted by jvanbrecht
I disagree, it may not be as much use in more rural areas, but use DC for example, where I drive daily, with constant construction, constant traffic (you can get into a 5 mile backup at 3am in the morning on 495 or 95 without too much trouble), it becomes extremely useful, especially when you take into account some of the premium services offered (or in some cases like Garmin, free when you buy the software), where it will pull down weather and traffic patterns, and router you around those appropriately and in real time while you are driving.
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Originally Posted by BoomerangToss
Not knocking GPS at all, just the iPhone is NOT true GPS navigation compared to the pros in the biz.
Andy |
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Originally Posted by jvanbrecht
But for a PND, implemented correctly, it could be a fantastic device.
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Originally Posted by BoomerangToss
The iPhone would have to have onboard maps and talk and ding to make it true GPS navigation. Not fetch from Google maps.
Still, GPS is minor feature that may become useful once in awhile, on vacation somewhere, on a great cell phone! Andy |
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Originally Posted by BoomerangToss
I've seen iPhone gps demonstrated skillfully but it's all see, no speak! No auto-rerouting.
It just locates the iPhone and plots a destination route from there using google mapping. Dumb GPS. You should rent a Hertz rent-a-car with NeverLost, then get back to me on ease of use. I think the newer dedicated GPS navigation systems are probably even better. The 3G iPhone doesn't introduce better GPS. I could be mistaken, haven't seen it in operation. The other problem is now we'll need a dash mount and questionable bright sunlight viewability. It MUST speak otherwise it's a dangerous hazard. External GPS antenna make for better out-of-sun mounting of a GPS unit. I'ts a phone and ipod and internet connection. They can't get everything right. We've seen that in Apple software and hardware time and time again. Steve-O is just a great carnival showman. "LADIES AND GENTLEMEN..." 'Gain, 'nuf said. Andy |
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Originally Posted by THETRUTH#34
my n95 is awesome with the gps, i had it next to my friends tom tom stand alone and it worked just as well, recalculates and everything. here is a little video and this has nothing to do with a nokia phone just about real gpds built into the phone and how well it works.
http://technorati.com/videos/youtub...v%3D3UiZuRzTIl4 http://s52.photobucket.com/albums/g...nt=DSCN5184.flv http://s52.photobucket.com/albums/g...nt=DSCN5185.flv http://s52.photobucket.com/albums/g...nt=DSCN5188.flv Sorry Roger just need them to see, i know its your info. |
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Originally Posted by Sonix
Interesting videos! I'm still waiting to buy the Garmin XT mobile for my Touch(Sprint) because the new ROM upgrade turns GPS on and Garmin told me that you can't use a puck with XT. Is that true? If you get a chance can you check the GPS setup, with MapQuest Navigator device GPS is default but you can chose either external BT or serial.
And secondly is the GPS in the Nokia aGPS, if so that explains the speed on a cloudy day. I do have a few Garmins and the newer ones get an initial fix in ~20sec, unless you don't use them for a few days(the sat info gets stale) |
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Originally Posted by nicktuso
I have the Bracketron mount for my front window and it swivels so I can has music video/movie watching in the car. I love the mount and still love my first gen iPhone enough to keep it for another 6 months till everything is worked out for tmo if ever. |
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Originally Posted by BoomerangToss
How ugly is that!
What happens when the phone rings and the GPS loses sky? Andy |
The phone rings and you lose sky!
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Originally Posted by Sonix
The phone rings and you lose sky! |
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Originally Posted by jvanbrecht
No, if that happens precisely at the same time... the space time continuum splits and all the alternate universes collide...
or so I heard As for the puck thing, I am pretty sure you should be able to.. I went looking for the 30 day trial on garmins site.. no luck the only options I see are buy and learn more, and I have spent a good hour or 2 looking around. I have an older htc wizard that I used to use my Pharos bt gps with, and it worked fine with the TomTom. It is really just setting the com port (whatever serial port you assigned the BT GPS unit or physical unit) |
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Originally Posted by Sonix
CoPilot used to only work with their plug in plucks, no options. And they have a 30 day too. But you'll find like I did they use their own maps in the US and they don't compare to TeleAtlas or Navteq!
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(I do trial things before I buy... one way or another). The wife has a Forerunner 305 (the gps runners watch), and while it is huge, it works extremely well... If only they would get the damn 405 out (been delayed half a dozen times). and under construction...|
Originally Posted by Sonix
Ok, It's been a buisy few days for me so please humor me. Whoever has the Garmin XT mobile app can you check on it being able to use an external GPS puck? Garmin gives you a 30 trial and I would like to see if it meets my needs in other areas. I plan on using their API to code a two way "presence" with my server. I'm told that it can be done, but people that have done it use the older 10 version witch comes with their puck. I want to run without.
Two things impress me about the XT app: 1. Free Free Free traffic and other services! 2. From those videos you can start a route without a traffic D/L, hopefully you can do if after you start the route. |
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Originally Posted by RogerPodacter
YES garmin allows you to pair an external bluetooth GPS puck no problem...
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