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MMS, cut/paste, txting with keyboard longways, turning off predictive txt..... Iphone 2?
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Posted by: cue003

Trying to find solid answers to the following:

1) Can you turn off the predictive txt on the iphone?

2) Can you adjust the touch sensitivity to the screen?

3) MMS capabilities (NOT jailbreak... from Apple please)?

4) cut/paste?

5) Can you txt long ways (turn the phone on its side to bring up larger easier to use keyboard..... i.e. room for less errors)?

6) flash on the camera?

7) better camera?

8) video capability?

I am trying to give the iphone a fair shot before skipping it and heading for the BB Bold.

I am not loyal to anyone. I just want the features that will benefit me the most for my day to day usage.

Posted by: bootycancer

9)Flash support (so I can purchase a CamelBak from a flash enabled website via the Iphone( http://www.camelbak.com/index.cfm )

No to all the above.

Posted by: cue003

Man, that was quick. No to EVERYTHING!!! That isn't cool on Apples part.

Posted by: fa6ista

You CAN turn OFF predictive text and you can also copy/paste on the first gen iPhone.

Posted by: arche3

Quote:

Originally Posted by fa6ista

You CAN turn OFF predictive text and you can also copy/paste on the first gen iPhone.

how do you copy paste?

Posted by: ken.vs.ryu

they will all be available as apple apps - $10 each.

Posted by: fa6ista

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Originally Posted by arche3

how do you copy paste?

It's a package, don't remember the name, but it gives you the option to copy/paste, search in the "Tweaks" maybe:

And to disable the auto-correcting feature the package is called simply "kb", adds an option in the "Keyboard" setting:

Posted by: cue003

where do these "packages" as mentioned above come from? Are they from Apple or third party apps?

Is that cut/paste only within the SAME app or can you cut a copy a number or name or whatever from say a text message and paste it into contacts/address book? What about from email to to contacts/address book?

Thanks.

Posted by: babikian

copy/paste is a web based application which didnt work for me.neither did the flash player though I wish they did.
@CUE003 a piece of advice from an Iphone user: Get the Iphone if you have to much worries in life, since you will be so much occupied with it and its applications that will make you forget your daily worries!!!.

jack

Posted by: T_Webb

Or it may cause more worries for him by not including applications and features that made his day worry-free to begin with.

Posted by: cue003

There are many things I have always liked about the iphone. There are also many things I just don't really get not being available on the device.

I am leaning towards it but just want to be sure that there is some light at the end of the tunnel.

Example.... multi-media device at its core and there is NO video recording, no MMS, that sort of stuff doesn't make sense.

I can see the no cut/paste and the keyboard stuff with the UI etc.

Oh well, I will probably pick it up if I can find it available on the 11th.

Also just found out that you can't use the 8gb or 16gb to store standard files..... so I guess I can't save an email attachment to my hard drive on the phone for later viewing?

Curtis

Posted by: ca3

personally the only one that i care a lot about is the texting in landscape. That would be SO much better. Give me that and ill be happy. The other i wouldnt mind but thats the one id use 10 times over. I guess mms would be used a lot

Posted by: canadian studen

MMS is important, but with the new swirly+iMMESS MMS is pretty kewl on the device, and you can save pics now. The most important to me would be copy/paste, and then an office suite will be great to. I honestly believe with the uproar of people complainging about copy/paste, MMS, etc it will be adressed sooner then later. But at the same time we thought with every update before we would get at least one of these features. So lets just wait and see.

Posted by: cue003

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Originally Posted by canadian studen

MMS is important, but with the new swirly+iMMESS MMS is pretty kewl on the device, and you can save pics now. The most important to me would be copy/paste, and then an office suite will be great to. I honestly believe with the uproar of people complainging about copy/paste, MMS, etc it will be adressed sooner then later. But at the same time we thought with every update before we would get at least one of these features. So lets just wait and see.

Does the phone need to be jailbroken for the swirly+iMMESS to work?

Also, does this work on the AT&T network?

Thanks for all/any responses.

Posted by: T_Webb

Quote:

Originally Posted by cue003

Does the phone need to be jailbroken for the swirly+iMMESS to work?

Also, does this work on the AT&T network?

Thanks for all/any responses.

Yes the device needs to be jailbroken and it will work on AT&Ts network if you're provisioned to receive MMS messages. The default iPhone plan doesn't include this and AT&T must be contacted to add MMS to the plan.

Posted by: cue003

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Originally Posted by T_Webb

Got ya, will the iphone 2 be able to be "jailbroken" upon its release? Does that screw something up in the phone? Will I be able to revert back to original? I am hoping that when the app store opens up they have MMS as an option.

Posted by: shivers316

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Originally Posted by cue003

No one is really sure when/if the iPhone 3g will be able to be jailbroken or unlocked. I'm sure it will but it'll take some time.

Posted by: JonnyBruha

One way or another, you need to buy one. Even if you end up hating it, you won't be able to get it out of your system until you try it out as your daily workhorse for at least a week. Worst case, return it or sell it if it doesn't work out.

Posted by: cue003

I just watched the keynote that spoke about the SDK.... looks pretty simple... Wonder how hard it would be to do a TXT message app that rotates the keyboard to landscape etc. I think (key word....THINK) I can create my own apps if it really is that simple.

I don't have a freaking Mac though. LOL.

I am about 90% sure I will get the phone when it comes out.

Posted by: AlphaFox

waaaaaaaait, you cant txt in landscape mode??
I could have sworn that if you start the txt app when you are landscaped it lets you txt like that... this could be a deal breaker, I hate the virtual keyboard as it is. who am I kidding, ill still get it!!!
dont know how much txting I will be doing tho.. ha

Posted by: AlphaFox

I obviously dont have an iphone yet... played with a friends. ha

Posted by: JonnyBruha

You can text in landscape on websites and what not, but the threaded text messaging it always portrait.

Posted by: AlphaFox

that is where you would need the bigger keyboard the most... that is so dumb.

Posted by: L3thal

I agree, that is pretty thoughtless on their part. I thought they would have changed it on the 3g iPhone. I may still end up getting it in September when I am done with Sprint and I hope by then someone finds a way to make it do landscape texting.

Posted by: kamal183

hack your iPhone and you can use 99% of the features your asking about.

Posted by: Viewfly

I thought that having no MMS would be a big deal. But I realized that one can send an MMS to any phone via email from a PC or the email app of a phone (ie iphone). Likewise, a regular MMS can be sent to an email address (like gmail) from the SMS application of any regular MMS. Your friends just need to use your email address (not the mms one below) to send photos to you, instead of just your phone number.

I tried it. It works on my Nokia. Attached a photo with Gmail, send it to my Nokia, and it was received, photo, text and subject, to my Nokia MMS application. Very quick, no delay.

Size limit for MMS is < 300kb or so. My nokia always scales down my 1.3Mp photos to 640 by 480 for MMS. So one of the reasons Apple is not using MMS is because one one can send full resolution images via email, not MMS. I think this is the future...MMS will be gone is a few years or less. Another poster said that in Japan, DoMoCo already stopped MMS and uses a short email instead for photos.

Here is an idea. One can also send text to the SMS of any phone a similar way. For example from my PC I send SMS to family via theirphonenumber@cingularme.com It goes through as fast. AND then no reason for the iphone user to pay for SMS service. Save $$$.

The only drawback is that the iPhone does not use push email, rather checks every 15 minutes (current old iphone option). Unless you pay for Apples new MobileMe service.

For att, from your iphone just send to phonenumber@mms.att.net If your friends are on other carriers use the below mms addresses. It will go to their MMS appl on the phone.
The below is from the reference. Except for ATT, I have not tried the rest. Maybe others can?

Alltel = xxxxxxxxxx@message.alltel.com
AT&T = xxxxxxxxxx@mms.att.net
Boost Mobile = xxxxxxxxxx@myboostmobile.com
Einstein PCS = xxxxxxxxxx@einsteinmms.com
Sprint = xxxxxxxxxx@messaging.sprintpcs.com
T-Mobile = xxxxxxxxxx@tmomail.net
US Cellular = xxxxxxxxxx@mms.uscc.net
Verizon Wireless = xxxxxxxxxx@vzwpix.com
Virgin Mobile = xxxxxxxxxx@vmobl.com

reference
http://iphone.macworld.com/2007/08/..._mms_on_y_1.php

Posted by: AsahiToro

Thanks for the tip on MMS,

Yeah, I'd like a better camera, bigger HD (that can store files), A2DP and cut/copy/paste but the lack of MMS is most frustrating. I still have a lot of friends and family that MMS me pics all the time. They don't have data plans, just voice and texting. I guess everyone isn't cutting edge like us HOFO folks. Without data plans, can they still email somehow with the method you have noted?

Posted by: Viewfly

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Originally Posted by AsahiToro

Thanks for the tip on MMS,

Without data plans, can they still email somehow with the method you have noted?

Yes they can without data plan. They need MMS plan of course. From the MMS appl on my nokia I can send a photo to a cell phone number or an email address like Gmail. This should be true of all phones, certainly is true of all my Nokia (for many years), BB's and Razr's.

In Gmail, the received MMS has a subject heading of "multmedia message" by default, send from 'myphonenumber@mms.att.net' Therefore one can reply to it as easily as well, just like MMS.

Just have your family store your email address, along with your phone number , in the contacts or address book on the phone, so they can chose it quickly.

Works great and fast.

Posted by: cue003

Ok, Viewfly, got ya on the sending of MMS.... So this approach will send to the end users MMS inbox right? All good from there....

Thanks again. Very valuable information for me in this thread and is helping further shape my decision to purchase.

I can keep all the above in a "NOTE" (assuming I can do that) on the iphone so I have the syntax properly loaded.... Or is there an email option when creating a contact so I can immediately store it with the persons number and such?

I hope I am not confusing myself.... lol

Posted by: cue003

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Originally Posted by Viewfly

So if I follow you correctly that is how I would receive messages....It will show up in my GMail or work or whatever email address they choose to send it to just as though they were sending MMS?

I will be able to "REPLY" to the google mail and it will show back up in their MMS folder as normal.

hmmm.. ok... can you attach pics to your gmail from your iphone?

Next thing really becomes knowing 1) does their phone have the ability to send MMS thru email and 2) if they have an iphone themselves because this whole thing becomes email transactions.

Right....?

Posted by: Viewfly

Quote:

Originally Posted by cue003

So if I follow you correctly that is how I would receive messages....It will show up in my GMail or work or whatever email address they choose to send it to just as though they were sending MMS?

Yes, that is right. Try it yourself with your BB or other phone.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cue003

I will be able to "REPLY" to the google mail and it will show back up in their MMS folder as normal.

hmmm.. ok... can you attach pics to your gmail from your iphone?

Yes, that is right. I just did it. Works. Try it yourself. Attach the photo just like attaching a file to gmail or any email client.

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Originally Posted by cue003

Next thing really becomes knowing 1) does their phone have the ability to send MMS thru email and (OR) 2) if they have an iphone themselves because this whole thing becomes email transactions.

Right....?

Actually, they use MMS to send to your email address. All phones that I've used can do that. If you both have an iphone, then it is email to email, no MMS. Just attach the photo.

It really a matter of them using their MMS appl and instead of sending to your phone number, they send it to your email address yourname@gmail.com for example.

In the part where you input the phone number, their phone may be in default 'number mode', they should have the option of changing to 'alphanumeric or text mode'. Otherwise, in their contact list, they would just have your email address already there, just like they have your phone number. Assuming their phone allows multiple entries for each contact...most phones today do.

Give it a try with the phone you have today. Send yourself a MMS from your computer...just make sure the file or image size is not too big. It must fit within the MMS standards.

Posted by: Viewfly

Quote:

Originally Posted by cue003

Ok, Viewfly, got ya on the sending of MMS.... So this approach will send to the end users MMS inbox right?

Right, that is correct.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cue003

I can keep all the above in a "NOTE" (assuming I can do that) on the iphone so I have the syntax properly loaded.... Or is there an email option when creating a contact so I can immediately store it with the persons number and such?

I hope I am not confusing myself.... lol

If you can put multiple contact information per person, that is how I do it. In my Nokia for each name I can enter phone num, email, fax, work num, home number, etc.

I'm certain that your 2125 and BB 8310 can do that!!

Posted by: bootycancer

Quote:

Originally Posted by cue003

I will be able to "REPLY" to the google mail and it will show back up in their MMS folder as normal.

There are some exceptions to this. My friend uses Alltel for her carrier. She can send me pics to my GMail, but if I reply and/or try to send her a picture, she will not get it. I believe there3 are other carriers where this does not work. I believe Verizon just baught out Alltel, and if so, it may change things. But as of now, it doesn't work. As per an Alltel rep on a forum, it's about how smartphones attach their pictures to an email, versus a true MMS. Do a quick Google search

Posted by: T_Webb

When I email pics to my T-Mobile email address (for mms), I don't get the pics. The emailing pic option doesn't work well enough for it to replace MMS IMO.

Posted by: cue003

Cool. Just tried it from the BB. Worked great.....at least on AT&T.

Thanks for that piece of info.

So what is the MMS size limitation per message? I am assuming that most pictures taken on mobile phones meets the requirement right? Or do they automagically convert the attachment behind the scenes when you use the MMS application?

I appreciate everyone patience so far.

Posted by: Viewfly

Quote:

Originally Posted by cue003

Cool. Just tried it from the BB. Worked great.....at least on AT&T.

Thanks for that piece of info.

So what is the MMS size limitation per message? I am assuming that most pictures taken on mobile phones meets the requirement right? Or do they automagically convert the attachment behind the scenes when you use the MMS application?

I appreciate everyone patience so far.

Cool that it worked on your smartphone BB.

If the file size is too big, the picture will not go through to the MMS phone.
I think the file limit is 100kb or so. On my Nokia 6131 with 1.3Mp camera, it will convert the photo to a 0.3Mp version, i.e. 640 x 480 pixels. That file size is around 60 to 25k.

To the T-mobile user; I haven't tried it to tmobile myself (I know no one on Tmo

), but be certain the file is not too big. It will not go through...period

Posted by: Viewfly

Quote:

Originally Posted by T_Webb

When I email pics to my T-Mobile email address (for mms), I don't get the pics. The emailing pic option doesn't work well enough for it to replace MMS IMO.

According to Tmobile's Web page, it should work. You may have a format or image size problem. This is usually the problem overlooked. The MMS format will not accept large photos.

Should be MSISDN@tmomail.net

The size limit seems to be 160 x 120 pixels. But I think from email to Tmo MMS the Tmo server might do that for you. ATT didn't for me. I think the size limit is around 100kb

From Tmobile web page http://support.t-mobile.com/knowbas...1396.htm#m-to-e

MMS service with Tmobile:

"Mobile-to-e-mail or e-mail-to-mobile:

Send/receive MMS messages to/from e-mail clients (mobile to/from e-mail). In the case of MMS-to-e-mail, the MMSC will deliver the MMS message to the SMTP (Simple Mail Transfer Protocol) relay for sending through the Internet.

The MMS users can also be addressed from the Internet via e-mail. Any MMS user in VoiceStream® will be addressed as MSISDN@tmomail.net. The SMTP relay will receive the e-mail and forward it to the MMSC for delivery. The delivery takes place in the same manner as for mobile-to-mobile, starting with the notification."

Posted by: Viewfly

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Originally Posted by bootycancer

There are some exceptions to this. My friend uses Alltel for her carrier. She can send me pics to my GMail, but if I reply and/or try to send her a picture, she will not get it. I believe there3 are other carriers where this does not work. I believe Verizon just baught out Alltel, and if so, it may change things. But as of now, it doesn't work. As per an Alltel rep on a forum, it's about how smartphones attach their pictures to an email, versus a true MMS. Do a quick Google search

I think he is smoking something. This has worked for years, well before smartphones.

Posted by: T_Webb

It should work. According to the page there is no limit on the size.

NOTE: All images will be resized to 160x120 pixels if they are larger.

My pics aren't even being resized. I'll continue to try to get it working.

Posted by: ATT*Mark

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Originally Posted by kamal183

hack your iPhone and you can use 99% of the features your asking about.

True. But the MMS hack is crappy at best. You have to call into at&t several times a week to re-add mms because the account gets sweeped and is auto removed.

If its true that all these will be a 10 dollar app from the store, that is insane. charge for an mms program? 10 dollars for a good cut/paste program? come on now...

Posted by: frauckers

from what i had heard a good portion of the apps are going to be free

Posted by: cue003

So I think the benefit of the iphone NOT using MMS (pretty much forcing people to send you an email with the photo as an attachment) will be the picture quality........ But then again if the person sending it is using their MMS app then the same size limit (which may mean a reduction in picture quality and size) will result anyway.

oh well, then iphone to iphone or smartphone to iphone..... anyone using email to quickly send pictures back and forth will have better quality pictures over someone sending back and forth on MMS.... right?

Is that a safe assumption?

Posted by: VCI_Cell

Quote:

Originally Posted by cue003

oh well, then iphone to iphone or smartphone to iphone..... anyone using email to quickly send pictures back and forth will have better quality pictures over someone sending back and forth on MMS.... right?

Is that a safe assumption?

I believe so. As has been mentioned, MMS tends to be much stingier with its size limits than email.

Question. I'm not sure if it's been asked and answered. My apologies if it has; this thread is very confusing to follow. But what if someone were to send an iPhone user an MMS picture message by sending it to the iPhone user's ten digit phone number? Example:

>Sue gets a brand new iPhone.

>Bill, unaware that Sue has transitioned to the iPhone, sends her a picture message via MMS to her ten digit phone number.

What happens? Does the message not get delivered at all? Does the text get delivered without the media?

On non-MMS enabled Sprint phones like my Mogul, you can still receive media via a sort of BS version of MMS called PictureMail. Does AT&T do anything similar for the iPhone?

Thanks, guys.

Posted by: bootycancer

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viewfly

I think he is smoking something. This has worked for years, well before smartphones.

I dunno. I just know that it doesn't work for my friend and I. ATT Iphone --> some Alltel LG phone. Although she can send me pics.

I wish I could find the forum I was reading about it. I just did a little research when she was complaing about it, and I got bazillions of hits all over the place, of Alltel not working. But here's just a couple from a quick Google.
http://www.everythingq.com/forum/mo...sages-7889.html
http://forums.crackberry.com/f72/fi...s-alltel-17993/

Verizon, on the other hand works awesome. I can't remember what phone my sister has with them, but I can get and view/play all of her pics, vids, and audio. It's ashame that the Iphone can't do the same back the other way.(video/audio)

Posted by: Viewfly

Quote:

Originally Posted by bootycancer

I dunno. I just know that it doesn't work for my friend and I. ATT Iphone --> some Alltel LG phone. Although she can send me pics.

Yeah, it all depends on Alltel allowing and following all the protocols. The purchase by Verizon should solve any problems.

vf