iPhone 3G vs N95 8GB?

Originally Posted by migo

They're the same price for me, both hardware and data plans.

I've been a Nokia fan (have E62 and 6620) but have been fed up with the power and end button placement that leads me to shut the phone off or end the call with my cheek. I like Nokia sound quality though, which is tempered a bit by the mics always picking up a LOT of background noise.

I don't take pictures, I might use the camera but that's not a swaying point for me.

Main interest I have in the iPhone is visual voicemail. Any pros/cons on either that I should consider?

Originally Posted by H@<K0R

im tired of people calling it "the iphone 3g" its just an iphone people. just with 3g no need to make the title longer just for that. its just "iphone"

Originally Posted by migo

I just found out the N95 has TV-out! That's definitely a deal sealer for me.

Any way to hook up a full sized USB keyboard to it?

Originally Posted by om1zzle

N95-4 will have the wow factor

Originally Posted by Elsydeon

It's funny that everybody tries so hard to make an iPhone killer, when in reality, the phone to overtake to this day and age remains the N95. Nokia has an amazing all-in-one phone in their N95-4, everytime a new phone is released that seems like it could beat the N95 (particularly some of Samsung's offerings), it ALWAYS falls short in some area compared to the N95. The iPhone 3G doesn't even come close to the N95 IMO.

Originally Posted by H@<K0R

i say get the 3g iphone.

pros:
more developers
more applications
more games
faster then the n95 (internet browsing)
touchscreen
virtual QWERTY keyboard
longer lasting batterry
not thick
4gb, 8gb, or 16gb
Mac OS X
wifi
tv-out
bluetooth
built in youtube application
built in google maps application
250 hour standby time
8 hour talk time
3g
Safari browser
unique/specific games

cons:
no tactile feedback
no expansion slot
no removable parts (iphone hater use it as an excuse not to get one even though its damn near stupid)
no video recording (there is a $30 application that records at 30fps but who wants to pay for it?)
no flash



N95
really nice/unique design (dual sliding)
dedicated media control keys
tactile feedback
3g
wifi
Symbian OS
Wap & HTML browsing
5mp camera w/ autofocus, video, and flash
GPS
280 hour standby
6 hour talk time
tv-out
bluetooth
wifi (chineese version doesnt have it)

cons:
thick as hell
no expansion slot (at least you can go 16gb with the ipgone by paying like $100-$200 more)
browser is kinda horrible (when i used it it always loaded the wap sites and never the full html sites)
no QWERTY only numeric
no touschscreen

the decission is up to you though. If you want a full media phone, get the iphone
if you want a phone that has alot of promise and a unique design, get the n95

Originally Posted by MtX

I wish the N95 had touchscreen or QWERTY

Originally Posted by alexanderdragon

THAT IS WHY I DON"T UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE LINE UP IN SUCH A HOT DAY FOR THAT PHONE. I got mine with out line, ccourse I just browersing the mall, and ask if they still have storage, they say yes, then I got one, but on saturday, I returned it.

Originally Posted by AngusG

USB No, Bluetooth yes... The iGo/Dell rebranded foldaway keyboards are popular

Originally Posted by JonnyBruha

pros:
more games
Definitely not. Not yet at least.
Counting 3rd party applications, yes it does

faster then the n95 (internet browsing)
Because it doesn't load the full version of the website due to not having Flash.
it does load the full URL. Hints why they advertise "full internet borwser"

Mac OS X
It's not OSX. It's mobile OSX. OSX has copy/paste.
ooo my bad lol

tv-out
This requires you to purchase an additional cable. The N95's come with it in the box.
$10-$20 cable to expensive?

bluetooth
Good for the headset profile only.
so?

built in youtube application
The N95 has 5 ways to watch YouTube videos, including in the browser.
the n95 doesnt have an application like the iphone. watching it online with the browser is the only way i knew it could do it

built in google maps application
GoogleMaps has been available for EVERY phone over a year before the iPhone was even announced and the S60 version works with the GPS just like the new iPhone (and it has since last October). You can also install almost a dozen 3rd party GPS applications or use Nokia Maps that comes preinstalled.
good point. but the iphones google maps is so much more better then the java version. I havent compared the n95 google maps with the iphones though so i cant say anything

3g
This is not a pro if the other device also has it.
didnt i lable it on the n95 as well? if i did, my bad

Safari browser
Most beautiful, but most lacking browser. Not necessarily a pro.
lacking? how so? its better then the symbian browser IMO


N95 Cons:
thick as hell
Have you held one?
I wouldnt be comparing the two if i didnt use both of them. it weighs almost as much as the iphone ( i think) but it feels more plasticky

browser is kinda horrible (when i used it it always loaded the wap sites and
never the full html sites)
Whatever websites you're visiting, you can fix that now. The S60 browser is the next best thing to Safari and it can do much more than Safari as well.
its also slower then the safari browser lol

The bottom line is whether or not you need all of the features of the N95. If you don't think you do, do yourself a favor and read up on the iPhone's faults before you sign a 2-year contract.
Agreed. but you dont have to get a contract if you get an unlocked one and use it on some other GSM service. Ebay or apple store

Originally Posted by H@<K0R

pros:
more games
Definitely not. Not yet at least.
Counting 3rd party applications, yes it does

faster then the n95 (internet browsing)
Because it doesn't load the full version of the website due to not having Flash.
it does load the full URL. Hints why they advertise "full internet borwser"

Mac OS X
It's not OSX. It's mobile OSX. OSX has copy/paste.
ooo my bad lol

tv-out
This requires you to purchase an additional cable. The N95's come with it in the box.
$10-$20 cable to expensive?

bluetooth
Good for the headset profile only.
so?

built in youtube application
The N95 has 5 ways to watch YouTube videos, including in the browser.
the n95 doesnt have an application like the iphone. watching it online with the browser is the only way i knew it could do it

built in google maps application
GoogleMaps has been available for EVERY phone over a year before the iPhone was even announced and the S60 version works with the GPS just like the new iPhone (and it has since last October). You can also install almost a dozen 3rd party GPS applications or use Nokia Maps that comes preinstalled.
good point. but the iphones google maps is so much more better then the java version. I havent compared the n95 google maps with the iphones though so i cant say anything

3g
This is not a pro if the other device also has it.
didnt i lable it on the n95 as well? if i did, my bad

Safari browser
Most beautiful, but most lacking browser. Not necessarily a pro.
lacking? how so? its better then the symbian browser IMO


N95 Cons:
thick as hell
Have you held one?
I wouldnt be comparing the two if i didnt use both of them. it weighs almost as much as the iphone ( i think) but it feels more plasticky

browser is kinda horrible (when i used it it always loaded the wap sites and
never the full html sites)
Whatever websites you're visiting, you can fix that now. The S60 browser is the next best thing to Safari and it can do much more than Safari as well.
its also slower then the safari browser lol

The bottom line is whether or not you need all of the features of the N95. If you don't think you do, do yourself a favor and read up on the iPhone's faults before you sign a 2-year contract.
Agreed. but you dont have to get a contract if you get an unlocked one and use it on some other GSM service. Ebay or apple store

Originally Posted by migo

Anything non fold-away? Like an ergonomic bluetooth keyboard?

Originally Posted by H@<K0R

well thats all i really have to say.

Originally Posted by AngusG

Any bluetooth keyboard I'm lead to believe, I have tested any myself though...

Originally Posted by JonnyBruha

Even with 3rd party applications, S60 has much, much more applications than the app store. I'm sure that will change, but there's really no comparing S60 (v2+v3) to the just-launched app store.

I guess you're not hearing me on the browser issue. It does NOT load the full page. If you load National Geographic's website with the mobile Safari browser, the slideshow doesn't play. Why? Because it doesn't have Flash, and the browser loaded it faster because it didn't load that element of the page. All of the N95's display that slideshow because it supports Flash Lite 3. While we're talking about the browser, it's lacking because it doesn't allow you to download or upload any files to websites, it doesn't save your form data (login+password), and of course, the lack of Flash support. Only now with the new 2.0 firmware can you save images from the browser.

The cable is $50 directly from Apple since it uses the proprietary port on the bottom of the iPhone vs the 3.5mm port. Add that cost to the total amount you'd be paying when comparing it to the N95, along with the added $15 per month for the larger data package.

If you think Bluetooth is only used for headsets, then you have no business buying either phone altogether. I'm talking about A2DP, OBEX file transfer, DUN, sync, audio gateway, using a BT keyboard... and those are only the ones I personally use. There are dozens more on top of all of that.

You can install EmTube, Mobitubia, the official Java YouTube application, Samir's YouTube application, or watch the YouTube video from the site in the browser. All of those applications are free.

If you haven't GoogleMaps for the N95, then you don't really have any position to compare the two. Here's a hint, they're exactly the same, except one uses touch and the other doesn't. And, as I said, the version of GoogleMaps on the iPhone that works with the internal GPS has been available for any S60 handsets since October.

Originally Posted by AngusG

Any bluetooth keyboard I'm lead to believe, I have tested any myself though...

Originally Posted by JonnyBruha

Even with 3rd party applications, S60 has much, much more applications than the app store. I'm sure that will change, but there's really no comparing S60 (v2+v3) to the just-launched app store.

Originally Posted by JonnyBruha

I guess you're not hearing me on the browser issue. It does NOT load the full page. If you load National Geographic's website with the mobile Safari browser, the slideshow doesn't play. Why? Because it doesn't have Flash, and the browser loaded it faster because it didn't load that element of the page. All of the N95's display that slideshow because it supports Flash Lite 3. While we're talking about the browser, it's lacking because it doesn't allow you to download or upload any files to websites, it doesn't save your form data (login+password), and of course, the lack of Flash support. Only now with the new 2.0 firmware can you save images from the browser.

Originally Posted by JonnyBruha

The cable is $50 directly from Apple since it uses the proprietary port on the bottom of the iPhone vs the 3.5mm port. Add that cost to the total amount you'd be paying when comparing it to the N95, along with the added $15 per month for the larger data package.

Originally Posted by JonnyBruha

If you think Bluetooth is only used for headsets, then you have no business buying either phone altogether. I'm talking about A2DP, OBEX file transfer, DUN, sync, audio gateway, using a BT keyboard... and those are only the ones I personally use. There are dozens more on top of all of that.

Originally Posted by JonnyBruha

You can install EmTube, Mobitubia, the official Java YouTube application, Samir's YouTube application, or watch the YouTube video from the site in the browser. All of those applications are free.

Originally Posted by JonnyBruha

If you haven't GoogleMaps for the N95, then you don't really have any position to compare the two. Here's a hint, they're exactly the same, except one uses touch and the other doesn't. And, as I said, the version of GoogleMaps on the iPhone that works with the internal GPS has been available for any S60 handsets since October.

Originally Posted by DukeL

Yes but the robustness of the apps and potential of the iphone will easily surpass the basic looking n95 S60 apps. They are knowhere near as impressive.



But if you try to load sites that don't have flash incorporated the iPhone 3G will still load quicker when placed side by side so thats not totally true. While the N95 might have more tricks, the iPhone's overall browsing experience is far superior with Safari & the much larger screen. Even w/o flash.



Yeah sucks you have to pay up. But soon you will be able to unlock and use the media maxx plan for the cheapskates.



True, really should of had A2DP, BT transfer etc. but still I manage to stay connected and with more media, pics, files etc. than with my other so called "more capable phones".



None of these will compare to the YouTube App on the iPhone. You Tube also is obviously better on the iPhone because of the much larger screen. Why would I want 5 different youtube apps when I could just have YouTube. Oh, you can also now watch youTube from the safari browser if desired.



Never tried it but I doubt it is as nice as Google Maps on the iPhone.

Originally Posted by DukeL

Yes but the robustness of the apps and potential of the iphone will easily surpass the basic looking n95 S60 apps. They are knowhere near as impressive.



But if you try to load sites that don't have flash incorporated the iPhone 3G will still load quicker when placed side by side so thats not totally true. While the N95 might have more tricks, the iPhone's overall browsing experience is far superior with Safari & the much larger screen. Even w/o flash.



Yeah sucks you have to pay up. But soon you will be able to unlock and use the media maxx plan for the cheapskates.



True, really should of had A2DP, BT transfer etc. but still I manage to stay connected and with more media, pics, files etc. than with my other so called "more capable phones".



None of these will compare to the YouTube App on the iPhone. You Tube also is obviously better on the iPhone because of the much larger screen. Why would I want 5 different youtube apps when I could just have YouTube. Oh, you can also now watch youTube from the safari browser if desired.



Never tried it but I doubt it is as nice as Google Maps on the iPhone.

Originally Posted by om1zzle

Spoken like a true Apple drone

Originally Posted by DukeL

Yes but the robustness of the apps and potential of the iphone will easily surpass the basic looking n95 S60 apps. They are knowhere near as impressive.



But if you try to load sites that don't have flash incorporated the iPhone 3G will still load quicker when placed side by side so thats not totally true. While the N95 might have more tricks, the iPhone's overall browsing experience is far superior with Safari & the much larger screen. Even w/o flash.



Yeah sucks you have to pay up. But soon you will be able to unlock and use the media maxx plan for the cheapskates.



True, really should of had A2DP, BT transfer etc. but still I manage to stay connected and with more media, pics, files etc. than with my other so called "more capable phones".



None of these will compare to the YouTube App on the iPhone. You Tube also is obviously better on the iPhone because of the much larger screen. Why would I want 5 different youtube apps when I could just have YouTube. Oh, you can also now watch youTube from the safari browser if desired.



Never tried it but I doubt it is as nice as Google Maps on the iPhone.

Originally Posted by migo

Sweet! Well, at the very least I can just buy one, try it and return it if it doesn't work.

Originally Posted by JonnyBruha

The biggest advantage 3rd party applications have over the iPhone's App Store is that more than one can be run at time, which means applications can stay functional while completely minimized. Check out Handy Profiles for S60 if you want to understand why that's important.

Originally Posted by JonnyBruha

Do you have both devices in front of you to test how fast each one loads a web page without Flash to prove it? I agree that the experience is better, but if you do anything more with websites than just view them, it's actually one of the weaker browsers on the market.

Originally Posted by JonnyBruha

Speaking to my contact with AT&T, there's currently no way to take off the $30 data plan if you signed a contract for the 3G iPhone.

Originally Posted by JonnyBruha

More connected, how? The only way to manage your media is docked to a computer.

Originally Posted by JonnyBruha

Here's a quick lesson on screens and resolution. Since most of the videos on YouTube are still only 320x240, they look exactly the same on the N95 as they would on the iPhone (if not worse due to pixelation). The point of having multiple applications is so that you can choose whichever one you'd like. Have you used any of them on an S60 device to compare? The YouTube applications for S60 also display any of YouTube's videos, not just those that have been encoded in a format that the iPhone supports
Again, what room do you have to argue if you've never used it on an S60 device?

Originally Posted by JonnyBruha

Just like how a standard definition source looks so much better on a high definition TV?

You're not providing any counterpoints to my argument whatsoever.

Originally Posted by JonnyBruha

Just like how a standard definition source looks so much better on a high definition TV?

You're not providing any counterpoints to my argument whatsoever.

Originally Posted by cokeman73

I can't for the life of me figure out why iPhone owners settle for a mediocre device, if any other company released a phone lacking the features & crippled the way the iPhone is they would throw a fit.

I don't own an iPhone or N95, had the original iPhone & it was the biggest piece of junk I've ever owned. N95 is more than I need. I would gladly pay more for the old brick N95 than get stuck with a crippled phone.

All this iPhone is better than the N95 crap reminds me of all the mac is better than a PC. It's a dead end argument, just get over it already. You have a device you like fine but it's far from competing with the N95 just cause Apple made it 3g capable.
If you think your iPhone can out do the N95 fine heres the test. Start GPS route a location, while your browsing the internet, downloading files (music, pdf, etc), getting your email, & listening to music over wireless headphones. Once you do that I'll agree your iPhone is just as good as the N95. Until then get over it, you own an inferior device.

Originally Posted by DukeL

Specs are not everything. Overall user experience is much more important.

Please, the 2G iPhone was already better than the N95. The iPhone 3G destroys it.
Even though I like to have A2DP on my phones, wireless headphones are more a novelty than anything. While I really liked using them they are not at all convenient for me to carry around/use in daily life. Neither is downloading pdfs while using gps like you mention.

The iPhone does the main functions I use most better than the N95..

-Email rendering: looks mush more desktop like on the iPhone.

-Browsing the Web: no matter what any phone enthusiast says, Safari is the best out right now.

-Music: the N95 cannot touch the iPhone as a music player

-Video: No phone can compare to the iPhone for watching video with its massive 3.5 screen.

-Syncing with Mac: No other phone including the N95 will sync up so well with a mac(Contacts, cal etc.)

Plus who wants to type on a numeric keypad compared to a virtual qwerty. How about how ugly and thick the N95 is? It is definitely NOT thin. And don't even get me started on build quality.

Your right the iPhone 3G is not competeing with the N95. The N95 is NO competition. You will never see any lines for someone waiting to purchase a lame old N95. The iPhone 3G will destroy N95 sales. It is just a better product.

Originally Posted by DukeL

Specs are not everything. Overall user experience is much more important.

Please, the 2G iPhone was already better than the N95. The iPhone 3G destroys it.
Even though I like to have A2DP on my phones, wireless headphones are more a novelty than anything. While I really liked using them they are not at all convenient for me to carry around/use in daily life. Neither is downloading pdfs while using gps like you mention.

The iPhone does the main functions I use most better than the N95..

-GPS. The ONLY GPS capable application on the iPhone is GoogleMaps, which has been available on theN95 since October and doesn't provide turn-by-turn voice directions. And, as I keep having to repeat to you, there are a dozen other applications for GPS solutions that can be installed as well.

-Email rendering: looks mush more desktop like on the iPhone.

-Browsing the Web: no matter what any phone enthusiast says, Safari is the best out right now.

-Music: the N95 cannot touch the iPhone as a music player

-Video: No phone can compare to the iPhone for watching video with its massive 3.5 screen.

-Syncing with Mac: No other phone including the N95 will sync up so well with a mac(Contacts, cal etc.)

Plus who wants to type on a numeric keypad compared to a virtual qwerty. How about how ugly and thick the N95 is? It is definitely NOT thin. And don't even get me started on build quality.

Your right the iPhone 3G is not competeing with the N95. The N95 is NO competition. You will never see any lines for someone waiting to purchase a lame old N95. The iPhone 3G will destroy N95 sales. It is just a better product.

Originally Posted by JonnyBruha

-Email. The N95 renders emails the same way the iPhone does.

Originally Posted by JonnyBruha

-Safari. One more time, it LOOKS the best, but it doesn't FUNCTION the best. This may not matter to you, but the iPhone can not download or upload files, display Flash information, or save usernames/passwords. None of these are limitations on the N95.

Originally Posted by JonnyBruha

-Music. Of course the N95 isn't going to function like an iPod, but thank God for that. On the N95, you at least have the option of using wireless headphones with A2DP, but on the iPhone, you couldn't even use your own set of headphones without buying an adapter up until a couple weeks ago! And you're still required to dock the iPhone to your computer to manage any of it. On the N95, I can play, send, edit, and download my music for free from a variety of sources of my choosing. I can download torrents of entire albums with SymTorrent, individual songs with Symella, download files directly from Seeqpod in the browser, send any of this music over Bluetooth or email, and I can also delete songs that I don't like anymore.

Originally Posted by JonnyBruha

-Video. I agree that watching movies on a larger screen is nice, provided they're converted to display at the right resolution, but that's not where video stops. If I want to watch the same video on my TV, I just plug it in with the supplied TV-out cable. If I had an iPhone, I'd add that $50 cable to the list of other random parts I need to buy to get it to function properly.

Originally Posted by JonnyBruha

As for the look and text input of the device, both are subjective, but I guarantee you I can type faster on my 12-key N95 with T9 than you or anyone else can with the virtual keyboard.

Originally Posted by JonnyBruha

I'm certainly not trying to say either device is inferior to the other, but please don't try to argue about the overall functionality when you have no idea what you're talking about.

Originally Posted by DukeL

No it dosen't. Somewhat similar, but definitely not as nice. Plus inline viewing not built in. Yes attachment support for sending is a little lacking on iphone.

Originally Posted by mazarebacha

What is the best or most popular,iPhone 3G vs N95 8GB?

Originally Posted by JonnyBruha

One more time. Read my article I wrote. The N95 opens the same HTML email the same way the iPhone does. The initial view is text only, but when you open the attachment, it displays just like it would in any full HTML client.

You keep proving over and over again that you have no experience with the device and you have yet again failed to provide any support for your argument whatsoever.

Despite the text input being a huge part of user preference, T9 still has the advantage of allowing you to use your device with one hand, without looking, or both, and I guarantee I'm faster. Visit iphonetypingtest.com and post your results.

Originally Posted by DukeL

Just because it says html dosent mean anything. Almost all modern phones claim html browsing/email but when it comes down to it none display it as nicely as the iPhone. For ex. the LG Dare, touch, Instinct, at&t Tilt etc, all have html browsing/email but put them side by side and the iPhone will look better period.

Originally Posted by alexanderdragon

I just wanna say a little bit.
First all, those are just phones, not God. It really depends on whether you like or not.
But for me, I like N95. I bought the iPhone on the first day, and tried it oneday, found it way worse than what I want. So I returned it.
For N95, those are things I love:
Full function on Bluetooth(BT modem, BT stereo, BT transfer, BT keyboard), Modem, and easy PC transfer, real keyboard(easy for single hand operation), really cool camera(5MP+flash),and non-data connection needed maps(support voice navigation), and could turn off aGPS just usebasic GPS, 3rd party apps, battery
Here is why I don't like iPhone:
almost nothing on Bluetooth(only headset),can't be as modem, Only iTunes PC transfer(my 64 bit computer has problem on iTune), touch screen(not really easy to use), touch screen keyboard(key your both hands busy), need data connection for maps(and no voice navigation), fixed Battery

Therefore, I Like N95 much better than iPhone.
But there is still things iPhone is better than N95,
multi-language support, better looking(for some people, but not me, both large, in different way) but N96 is good looking enough, support both NA and european 3G,

No matter which one you like, everyone would agree that, both two, or all the phones, are not God, are not perfect. Both have lots to improve and long way to go.

About touch screen, it is cool but need to improve. most of time, I like and only can use one hand operate the handset, therefore, a real key board is better than a virtual one. And when you are doing a call, then need to press some buttons(like call some CS number), I need to unlock the key board on iPhone to do so. The txt keys are small, particularly when I tried to press keys like "P", it always goes to "O". And still, you have to use both hand. browser, look cool, still hard to use. The "zoom in" function you have to use two fingers to slide away each other, without held by the other hand, hard to do it. Therefore, I would liek to say, Touch screen, still long way to go.

The last thing to mention, Popular dosen't neccesary means Good(good enough). just like movies, good box office might belong to a junk movie. A Classic movie(like those award winners) may not have a good box office.

Originally Posted by DukeL

Its just hillarious to me how N95 owners have this aura of superiority in their posts and the dillusion that they have the best device/cell phone is just funny to me.

Originally Posted by dimsum05

Honestly, the main reason I don't use an iPhone is because it makes me feel like a tool, and who wants to feel like that?

Originally Posted by Septra

I understand what you mean, it`s like corporate america wants you to use it, be a tool, give in to apple's markting.. it`s the empire vs the rebels, rebels use n95`s lol :P

bad analogy but u get the idea... you still have to give credit to apple for the ui, it is unmatched right now... just dialing a number is wicked.. lol

Originally Posted by Septra

fanboy?

actually it's quite false... i might've not expressed myself the best way but what i meant about the ui is indeed the touch ui.. the ui in itself isn't the best... the touch ui is the best, you admit it yourself..

anyhow that was my opinion, we're here to share opinions and give eachother advice the best we can so some of us can use it...

your opinion differs from mine and that's all right.. but don't call me a fanboy, especially when (if you read mine statement) said that i'd choose the n95 over the iphone...

I have always prefered nokia to other mobile manufacturers anyhow.. and NO i am not a nokia fanboy either!

Originally Posted by DukeL

I know exactly what you mean but after selling so many iPhones and switching back and forth (because of my iPhone shame) I am no longer embarassed and have finally become a proud iPhone 3G owner.

Originally Posted by npaladin2000

I haven't even touched the thing and i've got a point against the iPhone...it's not working with our Exchange ActiveSync setup. Probably something to do with the cert, but on Windows Mobile and S60 I've found ways to install an additional root cert to the phone (this is an actual cert, not a self-signed one, but it's from a company that apparently no one bothered with on mobiles).

So far the only way i've found to install a cert on an iPhone requires a Mac.

Originally Posted by AngusG

That's odd... I haven't tried it myself but reviews say that the iphone works better than windows mobile with exchange

Originally Posted by mib1800

how can that be? Iphone dont even have a built in Exchange client which can pull direct from Exchange server (and I am not talking about POP3). Iphone needs to reroute thru a 3rd party proxy like mobileme. WM/S60 have built-in support of such direct Exchange client.

Originally Posted by oblomov

iPhone 3g has ActiveSync built in. Installing root certs however is a pain without OS X box (using Apple's configuration tool). You have to download the cert. Easiest way to setup gmail/yahoo account and send yourself cert as attachment which you can then pull doing sync with gmail/yahoo.

Originally Posted by oblomov

Nokia N95 - bulky, clunky interface (S60 is flexible but not best in good UI design), build quality is a bit plasticky, QVGA resolution, no QWERTY. While camera may be 5MP, it's not all that great, IMO. Here is the worst of it all though - Nokia US Warranty support simply sucks. It's really really terrible unless you have one of the Nokia's supported by a carrier here. I've had couple bad experiences with them.

Originally Posted by DDRMacintosh

I wish Apple would have let you text with touchscreen T9. I mean hell I can do it with my LG Prada, which is inferior to the iPhone, yet I text a hell of a lot faster on my Prada.

The N95 stomps all over the iPhone, but just one problem I have with the N95. Why on Earth is S60 so bloody ugly?! I mean, the screens on the Nokias can pump out 16M colours, yet S60 is so horribly ugly and its resolution is outright horrible. Someone really needs to make it prettier. I mean can't you have design AND funcionality? Or is that asking for my cake and eating it too?

Originally Posted by DDRMacintosh

I wish Apple would have let you text with touchscreen T9. I mean hell I can do it with my LG Prada, which is inferior to the iPhone, yet I text a hell of a lot faster on my Prada.

The N95 stomps all over the iPhone, but just one problem I have with the N95. Why on Earth is S60 so bloody ugly?! I mean, the screens on the Nokias can pump out 16M colours, yet S60 is so horribly ugly and its resolution is outright horrible. Someone really needs to make it prettier. I mean can't you have design AND funcionality? Or is that asking for my cake and eating it too?

Originally Posted by Arjun_Rudra

Loving My N95, its just the Keys are so small. I Dont have a BT keyboard, and I dont need one, but texting is horrible. Hand cramp!

Another problem iv had with the N95 is when you are viewing HTML websites with lots of immages, and have several apps in the back ground, the ram isnt enough. Of course closing 1 or 2 back ground apps solves the problem, but still, would love to have more ram.

Then again, I would rather have free apps, and multi tasking then not have flash, and only get a **** version of the website.

Originally Posted by dimsum05

That's what themes are for!

Originally Posted by AngusG

http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/feat...n_allcomers.php

N95 8GB vs iPhone vs Touch Diamond

Not sure if it's been posted here already, but considering it comes from a Symbian website, it's very unbiased!!

Originally Posted by DukeL

Ha ha unbiased, yah right. Look at the pics. They don't even have an iPhone 3G. If you look close it is an ipod touch.

Originally Posted by DukeL

Ha ha unbiased, yah right. Look at the pics. They don't even have an iPhone 3G. If you look close it is an ipod touch.

Originally Posted by JonnyBruha

All the better they didn't use an iPhone. Had they, they would've had to talk about how the call quality is still mediocre at best.

Had they fixed that issue, gave it a nice camera, and opened it to the user a bit more, I would pay the extra $15/month and switch in a heartbeat. But it looks like the only company that's going to deliver such a device is Nokia with the 5800 long after I've lost interest.

Originally Posted by AngusG

http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/feat...n_allcomers.php

N95 8GB vs iPhone vs Touch Diamond

Not sure if it's been posted here already, but considering it comes from a Symbian website, it's very unbiased!!

Originally Posted by mobileobsession

The author of the article forgot to compare display quality for video playback, an important feature I think.

The Touch Diamond has full VGA Resolution, the iPhone has half VGA and finally the Nokia N95 has quarter VGA, so therefore:

full VGA > half VGA > QVGA

Going by the author's scoring system:

Touch Diamond: 20
iPhone: 10
Nokia 95 8GB: 5

Originally Posted by JonnyBruha

While we're talking about video, TV-out should probably be factored in as well. The iPhone has it if you purchase an additional cable, the N95 comes with the cable in the box, and the Diamond doesn't look like it supports the feature at all.

Originally Posted by DukeL

True. Also built in memory is a huge factor in video watching and the iPhone clearly wins with 16GB built in compared to the 8 on the N95, double the memory. For movies or long videos this makes a huge difference.

Originally Posted by DukeL

True. Also built in memory is a huge factor in video watching and the iPhone clearly wins with 16GB built in compared to the 8 on the N95, double the memory. For movies or long videos this makes a huge difference.

Originally Posted by DukeL

True. Also built in memory is a huge factor in video watching and the iPhone clearly wins with 16GB built in compared to the 8 on the N95, double the memory. For movies or long videos this makes a huge difference.

Originally Posted by IJK

Ok so I've been sitting in the airport reading about 5 pages of this garbage and I have to say, wow! It is amazing to me how you can sit here ramblimg about how the n95 can do so much more the iPhone. The fact remains that the iPhone apeals to the average user. To me all of these features that your phone can do which make it superior to mine mean nothing. With the purchase of my first iPhone which I paid nearly 500 dollars for I have been nothing but satisfied. Now I am on to my second and as usual I stand by my purchase. The bottom line is that apple compromised in certain areas to create a phone that had a balance of style and functionality, and if you can't recognize that... Well I'm sorry, you're just a moron. Calling people apple drones is pure idiocy. The bottom line continues to be that people are buying the products that appeal to them. Make no mistake, when my friend showed me some of the things his n95 could do I was rather impressed, but at the same time I recognized that in my daily use tHe majority of those features would be unused.
The fact remains that although the n95 may outdo the iphone e in some respects, the size of the phone and the keypad alone would turn Me off of it. The question that people need to ask themselves is what features do I look for in a phone? You also have to remember that most of the world isn't as computer oriented or even knows what opera is. Most of the posters that I have read seem to be very closed minded about the iPhone and it's touch screen when the truth is, this is only the begining.
Anyways my plane is boarding so I am going to leave this post as is and hear some feedback.
Thanks for reading,
Ijk

Originally Posted by DDRMacintosh

Why carry an iPhone, when you could carry an N95 and an iPod Touch? After all your iPhone is just an iTouch with a camera and phone tacked on, literally.

When you lay out the things the N95 has:
-Better camera
-A-GPS
-More open, flexible OS
-Plethora of apps
-Albeit more storage, with the -3 models
-Video calling, despite being a gimmicky feature altogether

you can clearly see that bang for buck, you get more for your dollar with the N95. So you get a touch screen, big whoop. My LG Prada has a touch screen, and it had it BEFORE the iPhone by the way.

Why pay 300 for a iPhone with X set of features, when you can pay 300 for an N95 with X set of features and more? I'd rather get MORE features for the same price.

Originally Posted by IJK

I just want to state, my entire post was made on my iPhone. I'm not really sure whether u were arguing with me about the keypad because it's clearly personal preference. Arguing would me just a waste of breath which people seem to love to do on these forums. Clearly I disagree.
If
You want to start talking about
Functionality again I will reiterate my point in simpler english. You're phone is fat, an lacking in screen size and quality in my opinion. I would never buy a phone which relied on t9 as to me this is inferior. Why would I carry your phone with a iPod touch? I'm trying to consolidate my devices. Listen if you want a better camera, buy the n95 and I'll back your decision... If you want a unique balance of style and functionality get an iPhone... In my opinion they are in two different leagues... One is I'm sorry an ugly phone with slightly better specs and one is a phone with groundbreaking style and umbelievable potential... Look at the developers behind iPhone apps... Look at the volume of applications being made each day... The pure hype... Personally I'll be sticking with my iPhone...
Bottom line let's talk about the hype for the n95? LOL what hype?
That's my two cents,
Ijk

Originally Posted by IJK

Calling people apple drones is pure idiocy.

Originally Posted by IJK

Bottom line let's talk about the hype for the n95? LOL what hype?

Originally Posted by IJK

They found a balance which is of course far from perfect which seems to be attracting a large percentage of the population.

Lets end that all right here... You're wrong.... The general population will likely enjoy the iphone's aesthetics long before they can appreciate the n95 behind its brick like exterior. Now if you want that 5mp camera and all those features, good go for the phone. The n95 is right for you! But lets face it, you're an exception with special needs and wants far beyond that of the general population. And lets not forgot you are compromising on style for those features.

Originally Posted by DukeL

Why would I want to carry two devices(a thick n95 & a touch) when I can have one thin one?

-Better camera: Indeed
-A-GPS: So does iPhone 3G
-More open flexible os: Maybe but the iPhones OS is unarguably alot nicer.
-Plethora of apps: So does iPhone, more every day.
-Albeit more storage: Not so, 16GB iPhone is as large as it gets. You can swap but c'mon. Anyway we're talking about the 8GB n95 in this thread.
-video calling: Does not work in the US

The touchscreen on the iPhone is like no other. I have owned the original LG Prada & the more recent LG Vu and there is no comparison.

Originally Posted by IJK

If you wanna start talking like that lets talk about that brick of a phone your carrying around. Is it twice as thick as the iphone? The design was compromised for specs. And vice versa for the iphone. Im willing to bet that steven jobs has the technology for a 5mp camera.. im guessing he realized it wasnt worth the weight or size increase.

And as for,

I can honestly say i feel dumber after reading that. Your right, apple is paying people to stand in line and write the programs. You cracked the code.

Now that im done feeling like I'm a teacher dealing with stubborn 8th graders, im going to reiterate my point. The iphone generally appeals to people because apple appears to have answered the call of style meets functionality. They found a balance which is of course far from perfect which seems to be attracting a large percentage of the population. Now, if you want to talk about specs again, yes the n95 has some features that the iphone does not, but at a major cost.. the phone in my opinion looks like garbage. Its just much to large.. a bulge that big AGAIN is a dealbreaker for most.

Now if your all gonna call me a fanboy or w.e it is you guys love to rant about lets face it. You're in the apple forum for what reason? Hoping to gain acceptance? Prove you're right?

Lets end that all right here... You're wrong.... The general population will likely enjoy the iphone's aesthetics long before they can appreciate the n95 behind its brick like exterior. Now if you want that 5mp camera and all those features, good go for the phone. The n95 is right for you! But lets face it, you're an exception with special needs and wants far beyond that of the general population. And lets not forgot you are compromising on style for those features.

Thanks for reading guys and i apologize in advance if i offended some genuine n95 users who just like the phone for whatever reason.

Cheers,
Ijk

Originally Posted by IJK

I just want to state, my entire post was made on my iPhone.

Originally Posted by IJK

Its just much to large.. a bulge that big AGAIN is a dealbreaker for most.

Originally Posted by DukeL

Exactly. I don't care how many damn features they pack into the N95. That thing is ugly as hell. I wouldn't be caught dead sporting that brick! It IS thick as hell. Thats why I never considered buying it in the first place back in early 07 when I first saw it.

Originally Posted by JonnyBruha

That's the point. You don't have to carry around a separate MP3 player with the N95, or a GPS, or a digital camera, etc.

If we're going to go down the list of features, again...

-Yes, the camera is better.
-Sure, they both have GPS, but the iPhone only has GoogleMaps, which all S60 phones can install, along with the dozen other GPS applications available for S60 with navigation.
-The iPhone's ui is a lot nicer. The OS as a whole is debatable.
-The iPhone is gaining an impressive amounts of applications every day, but how many are actually worth buying? How many are essential to buy just to make it function like a normal phone? S60 has been in the business for a lot longer and I can give you several dozen applications that the iPhone still doesn't have after Installer/Cydia, or the App Store that actually have a purpose.
-True, but video calling does work in Canada and every other country where the N95 is available outside the States.

Originally Posted by IJK

. i can't speak for that for sure though... as far as i know it works... it may have some flaws... but i can guarantee if they exist they will be adressed


Take it easy guys,
Ijk

Originally Posted by IJK

I'll just say that ive been talking more from a consumer perspective. As far as i can tell from relative that have purchased the phone though, you are wrong... maybe your inability to integrate the iphone (possibly becuase of your vendetta towards apple) is the reason your employee is feeling crippled... i can't speak for that for sure though... as far as i know it works... it may have some flaws... but i can guarantee if they exist they will be adressed


Take it easy guys,
Ijk

Originally Posted by IJK

Wow so this guy thinks he's the coolest. Well sir, i have to thank you, because now that you have insulted me, I'm not gonna feel bad when I tear you to pieces. So for starters thanks for the intelligent response? I can really see how you added to the conversation. Really productive i must say. But since you crossed the line i might as well come out and say it. You're a nerd and thats why you love your n95... almost everything u mentioned would not even begin to appeal to the vast majority of people because bottom line... THEY DONT CARE. Most people use a real camera, they don't rely on their cellular phone. Ask around, take a survey. Do people actually use their phone as a full camera? No. Its a perk. The only person that i would expect to start pulling out stats is a full on NERD. If i am forced to hear that comment "its the end of 2008, why a 2mp camera" im gonna puke. If you wanna start talking like that lets talk about that brick of a phone your carrying around. Is it twice as thick as the iphone? The design was compromised for specs. And vice versa for the iphone. Im willing to bet that steven jobs has the technology for a 5mp camera.. im guessing he realized it wasnt worth the weight or size increase.

And as for,

I can honestly say i feel dumber after reading that. Your right, apple is paying people to stand in line and write the programs. You cracked the code.

Now that im done feeling like I'm a teacher dealing with stubborn 8th graders, im going to reiterate my point. The iphone generally appeals to people because apple appears to have answered the call of style meets functionality. They found a balance which is of course far from perfect which seems to be attracting a large percentage of the population. Now, if you want to talk about specs again, yes the n95 has some features that the iphone does not, but at a major cost.. the phone in my opinion looks like garbage. Its just much to large.. a bulge that big AGAIN is a dealbreaker for most.

Now if your all gonna call me a fanboy or w.e it is you guys love to rant about lets face it. You're in the apple forum for what reason? Hoping to gain acceptance? Prove you're right?

Lets end that all right here... You're wrong.... The general population will likely enjoy the iphone's aesthetics long before they can appreciate the n95 behind its brick like exterior. Now if you want that 5mp camera and all those features, good go for the phone. The n95 is right for you! But lets face it, you're an exception with special needs and wants far beyond that of the general population. And lets not forgot you are compromising on style for those features.

Thanks for reading guys and i apologize in advance if i offended some genuine n95 users who just like the phone for whatever reason.

Cheers,
Ijk

Originally Posted by IJK

If you're a nerd with special needs and are willing to compromise style and design for a bunch of majorly useless (to me that is of course) phone features buy the n95 - for the record tho... tv out? on a phone? AHAHHAHAHA
If you're the average joe who likely carried and ipod and uses itunes (and are happy with it) get an iphone... i can almost guarantee you'll be happy

Originally Posted by IJK

Yet again, it continues.. convergence... lol at the cost of double the size nearly... not worth it in my eyes...

calling me a midget? lol? at what 22mm it looks like my old samsung a920 in my pocket...


And ill continue by calling you a nerd and thats it...

BOTTOM LINE.
If you're a nerd with special needs and are willing to compromise style and design for a bunch of majorly useless (to me that is of course) phone features buy the n95 - for the record tho... tv out? on a phone? AHAHHAHAHA
If you're the average joe who likely carried and ipod and uses itunes (and are happy with it) get an iphone... i can almost guarantee you'll be happy

Originally Posted by IJK

I can honestly say i feel dumber after reading that. Your right, apple is paying people to stand in line and write the programs. You cracked the code.

Originally Posted by DukeL

Well the N95 owner I was responding to was saying he'd rather carry a touch and a N95 because he knows the media functions on the iPhone 3G are superior.

-Camera- Cant argue there
-AGPS- Google maps on the iPhone is better than any other version of google maps.(Java etc.) No turn by turn, but mark my words it is coming.(Probably thru 3rd party gps program)
-UI- The iPhone is clearly the winner here
-3rd party apps-The appstore will catch up and while there might not be all the apps needed yet there are some very impressive ones. Games look alot better than anything I've ever seen on a mobile phone. Pandora is by far the best streaming program on any phone ever.(It just is)And the robustness of the 3rd party apps are like nothing else in the cell phone world. The potential is just so much greater.
-Video Calling- Like I said dosen't even work in the states. Thats all I care about, besides who really wants it anyway? Not me.

Originally Posted by IJK

Yet again as the cycle continues, i see people taking shots at me rather then proving me wrong. Read a post before you reply in pure idiotics. That post took me what 10-15 minutes with 0 editing and you want to tell me that that is clearly an inefficient keyboard? why because i used two hands? Yet again you showed me how your needs are different then the average user. If your arument is going to be well, you can't text while you drive then so be it. I don't send long text messages while im driving, but i wouldn't anyways and yet again I DONT LIKE T9 and most of the world doesn't either.

Originally Posted by IJK

sigh... I say style meets functionality and you all continue to talk specs... I get it, you like your fat phone... It's cool... I wouldn't use it, ever... As newer possibly more capable phones come out I might switch, but only if the style matches that of the iPhone...
In terms of the word nerd, I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad thing, but what I'm trying to say is that it separates you and your needs... Your 5 mp
Camera is a necessity and you have to have tv out which most people don't care about...
Anyways I'm done with this... I think that putting the phones side by side is reason enough for me... Sorry boys size does matter, and is quite important (despite what ur Girlfriends tell you).. Feel free to insult me, because as far as um concerned I already won.
Stylish phone with everything I need & an iPod> top of the line features in a brick with no iPod

Originally Posted by IJK

sigh... I say style meets functionality and you all continue to talk specs... I get it, you like your fat phone... It's cool... I wouldn't use it, ever... As newer possibly more capable phones come out I might switch, but only if the style matches that of the iPhone...
In terms of the word nerd, I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad thing, but what I'm trying to say is that it separates you and your needs... Your 5 mp
Camera is a necessity and you have to have tv out which most people don't care about...
Anyways I'm done with this... I think that putting the phones side by side is reason enough for me... Sorry boys size does matter, and is quite important (despite what ur Girlfriends tell you).. Feel free to insult me, because as far as um concerned I already won.
Stylish phone with everything I need & an iPod> top of the line features in a brick with no iPod

Originally Posted by IJK

Stylish phone with everything I need & an iPod> top of the line features in a brick with no iPod

Originally Posted by aw614

i still dont see why you make a big deal about thinness as if it is that big of a deal.

Originally Posted by AngusG

The N95's not even that fat.. I never notice it in my jeans pocket..

I don't understand people that pull the 'fat' argument, most of the time the phone lives in a slingbag

Originally Posted by IJK

Now if your all gonna call me a fanboy or w.e it is you guys love to rant about lets face it. You're in the apple forum for what reason? Hoping to gain acceptance? Prove you're right?

Originally Posted by IJK

Yet again as the cycle continues, i see people taking shots at me rather then proving me wrong. Read a post before you reply in pure idiotics.

Originally Posted by migo

I just found out the N95 has TV-out! That's definitely a deal sealer for me.

Any way to hook up a full sized USB keyboard to it?

Originally Posted by THETRUTH#34

iphone has tv out also, not the same as the n95 because it utilizes all features of the phone where is i think the iphone just uses it for video.

Originally Posted by aw614

i still dont see why you make a big deal about thinness as if it is that big of a deal.

Originally Posted by mobileobsession

For all the things that the N95 does, it is actually an elegant device. It's smartphone + multimedia (camera, music player, etc) in the form factor of a typical slider phone. Yes, it's thick compared to some other phones, but not overly so. Just look at the HTC TyTN II, that phone does everything, but it's a bit of a brick.

Originally Posted by mobileobsession

Still, for Nokia to compete with the Apple in terms of overall user interaction and experience, They would have to bring out the Nokia "Tube" with the Touch S60 interface.

Originally Posted by huntm856

The N95 is elegant in its way, if you mean the technical definition of elegance, e.g., accomplishing a given function efficiently and with little wasted motion or effort.

But I'd be the first to concede that the iPhone is a physically *beautiful* device in a way that the N95 is not, and that some of the things it does it does, well, more *beautifully* than any other device on the market.

That's the only quibble I have with your post. The rest of it I agree with wholeheartedly and have even said so previously, from Nokia's stepchild attitude towards North America to the positive influence the iPhone will have on the smartphone/advanced feature phone market going forward.

Though I will say one thing: I carried my N95 to Italy just last week on vacation, and even with EDGE only it was perfectly adequate in terms of the things I wanted it for like GPS, search, general browsing and e-mail.

(Well, that is once I got data working; apparently TIM isn't particularly adroit at data provisioning new lines of service. Shoulda gone with Wind or even Vodaphone like people suggested, but that's another story.)

It is such a well designed device that I didn't feel that much of a drop off going from WiFi/good HSDPA to EDGE only.

Originally Posted by huntm856

One thing more you said:



Sadly I think you are right. Everyone seems to like these touch interfaces, but to me, a phone *must* be operable with one hand, and I have yet to see a touch interface that doesn't require you to hold the device in one hand and touch it with the other for it to work well.

For me, it's an interface that makes a lot of sense for stationary interfaces, e.g., POS terminals, but little sense at all for a mobile device.

Originally Posted by ale2999

this thread is so awesome and entartaining.
I have this battles with my dad everyday.
I own the N95-4 and he owned both 1st g and 3g iphones. I am familiar with his device as I am the IT person and did all the jailbreaking.

Firstly, the thing that bothered me most is the challenge that the n95 is a brick. The iphone is thicker, however that is only ONE dimension out of 3. I can`t believe that noone brought that up. And please do not argue that the large screen is worth, other wise we could have 32" screens on backpacks that are phones...

The media player in the iphone is leaps and bound better than the n95, the funny part is that it is not so on the phone, but just for transferribility and interaction with the pc/mac. The symbiosis that the iphone has with itunes is incredible. Itunes is bloated and all, however it has many functions that I dream that my n95 has.

The touch interface on the iphone is neat, however as it was itirated before writing is not convenient. Honestly t9 is not elegant by anymeans, but I am sure that I could write the same message as an iphone user in half the time.

WTF no copy and paste....

I am not even going to bother talking about the cameras or mms.

MULTITASKING. The iphone just can't... do you know how many times, I am writing a text "alt tab" to the browser for directions, check my garmin (yes garmin works on n95)
for arrival time and go back to finish my text with that info?

My dad was chocked when he compared the gps... and he is an apple fanboy.

The iphone is an average phone tacked on an awesome mp3 player with an innovative and good (not for writing) interface.

By the way I like the convergence of all this devices in one. I use my phone as my point and shoot and everyone is amazed at the quality.

If music is the only chief concern, I'd get an iphone, however if you want a better phone, with better experience then I would pick an n95 in an heartbeat.
(I still use my phone as an mp3 player)

Regard,
Ale2999

Originally Posted by dimsum05

What's missing from the N95's media player that the iPhone's media player has?

Originally Posted by AngusG

Audio quality for a start.. Contrary to popular belief ipods/iphones are no where near the best mp3 player's in the world but they're about 100 times better than the N95..

Problem with most iphone/ipod users is they spend all this money... and then use the ****** pair of included white headphones..

Originally Posted by huntm856

100x better? Really? Based on what? Output signal to noise ratio? Frequency response uniformity across the entire 20-20kHz audible spectrum? What exactly do you mean by 100x better? Whatever it is you do mean, can you cite data that supports this rather extreme claim, please?

If you are right and the iPhone 3g sounds 100x better than the N95, then iPhone must output much , much better audio than either of the last two generation iPods, because my daughter has/had the last two generation Nanos, and neither of them has been particularly spectacular or notably better in audio quality than either my N95 or my Q9c using the same headphones, so far as I have been able to discern.

And I have read nothing generated by experts that notes the iPhone as a digital music player of particularly high quality. So I at this point have more reason to believe my ears are 'right' than yours.

Maybe it *is* the headphones, but on the other hand I doubt very many audiophiles are using small portable audio players playing compressed digital music files of even high bitrate to listen to their music.

This is what the iPod is designed and marketed to do, after all, and I have difficulty believing that *any*audio preserved in such formats will produce true audiophile-quality output, irrespective of the headphones used. Too much missing frequency response, too much loss from compression.

I don't know one person who carries an iPod or iPhone who commonly loads it with lossless formats like FLAC or Apple Lossless, or carries his music in high-volume uncompressed formats.

I know very few iPod users who I believe have even the vaguest idea of what lossless compression is, for that matter.

So I call BS on your claim, unless you can produce some data to back it up.

I dunno, you may be right, but to me this sounds like another one of those unsupported 'iPod is great' posts one runs into wherever Applephiles gather to voice their opinions.

Besides, even if you are right, the iPhone is so lacking in other basic functionalities one expects in a modern high-end phone, that even if it has truly superior audio output quality, that would hardly make up for its shortcomings except to the most dedicated audiophile, who, as I said, I doubt is likely to be using devices like mp3 players to listen to his music in any event.

Originally Posted by mib1800

When you say iphone 100x better, no one is gonna take any care to read seriously what you wrote.

I have compared the iphone-1 with my n82 using the same 3rd party in-year type sony headset and I found both to be quite close in audio quality. Iphone-1 give more oomphs with better bass but in terms of sound clarity I think the N82 is slightly ahead.

Originally Posted by dimsum05

As far as the audio quality is concerned, iPods are usually considered as some of the worst sounding media players for audiophiles (at least the ones I know). Besides, they don't sound that much noticably better than any other music phone to the 95% of people that don't have golden ears, myself included, to even consider that a feature!

The only feature that I can see the iPhone's media player has over the N95 (or any of the NSeries devices for that matter) is gapless and FairPlay compatibility.

Originally Posted by AngusG

There's always someone on a web forum somewhere who takes things too literally..

Originally Posted by huntm856

And there's always someone who makes claims that are so hyperbolic as to render them uncreditable.

Originally Posted by JonnyBruha

Why don't you just load up one of the 3rd party music players that support gapless playback?

Seeing as how you both own an N95, there's no reason for you to be fighting. Same team.

Originally Posted by JonnyBruha

Why don't you just load up one of the 3rd party music players that support gapless playback?

Seeing as how you both own an N95, there's no reason for you to be fighting. Same team.

Originally Posted by huntm856

But were I to do so, he would probably respond that the iPhone is ALREADY a SUPERIOR music player that does everything better than any other music player available in a phone, therefore there is no reason for 3d-party music player applications to exist for the mobile OSX platform.

Originally Posted by npaladin2000

Actually, there's one MAJOR important thing that differentiates the iPhone and the N95: software. The N95 can install anything from wherever you get it. The iPhone can install stuff from the Apple App Store, which only offers software that Apple wants iPhone users to have. That's it without jailbreaking it, which, lets face it, most users won't do.

Oh and Apple's SDK licensing currently precludes ANYONE from selling an app through the App Store that provides Adobe Flash support or any sort of Java VM. Even for free.

Originally Posted by mugenized

The N95 is so bulky.

Originally Posted by aw614

no its not

Originally Posted by ryrycalguy

...I have played with both the N95 and the iPhone and use a BlackBerry....BUT, I sense an overwhelming stench of inferiority complex coming from the Nokia N95 users.

Originally Posted by AngusG

You're quite ignorant aren't you..

Originally Posted by huntm856

That is an ad hominem attack. I disputed your opinion, but I did not impugn you personally, so it is uncalled for.

Do it again and I will report you.

Originally Posted by huntm856

But were I to do so, he would probably respond that the iPhone is ALREADY a SUPERIOR music player that does everything better than any other music player available in a phone, therefore there is no reason for 3d-party music player applications to exist for the mobile OSX platform.

Originally Posted by AngusG

I still stand that the ipod/phone music player sounds better than the N95 music player.. The audio quality of an album ripped at 320kbps CBR mp3 sounds better on the iPhone than it does through the N95 when using Sennheiser CX300 earphones.. This is what to me makes the music player superior.. I much prefer everything else about the N95, I don't like iTunes, but I could live with it for this trade off..

Originally Posted by pkollias

Okay im in the middle of either getting the Iphone or the n95. I can get either of them for 200 bux. At this present moment in time I do believe the n95 has more apps. The n95 has better GPS and better bluetooth. I believe that today the better phone is the n95. The thing is, right now the iphone is one of the biggest selling phones on the market. What I have convinced myself though is the iphone will be able to compete if not surpass the n95 in applications in the upcoming months. If I was a Software developer, I would think that there is more money more exposure and potentially more profits in developing for the iphone. Slingplayer, and tomtom have already began development and are just waiting for apple to give them the go ahead. (I know that slingplayer & tomtom are already on s60) There are probably already people out there tryin to figure out how to put linux on it. So which phone has the greatest potential?

Originally Posted by JonnyBruha

I agree with all of your points (especially #1 regarding -4 WLAN reception), except #3. Being faster on virtual QWERTY vs. T9 is your fault for not learning T9.

You should also find some new places to seek software. The App Store may look infinitely large and growing because it's all in one place, but just because S60 software is scattered doesn't mean it isn't plentiful. GPS is a perfect example since you can find a working version of TomTom that uses the internal GPS if you know where to look...or choose from a dozen other GPS applications.

Originally Posted by ddsdude

I learned T9 just fine but I still find QWERTY or virtual QWERTY faster - personal preference really. And I am well aware of the vast S60 software out there. I have Garmin and the hacked TomTom on my -2 (although it is dead software on S60), along with many other apps and games (including Ngage games). What I am finding though is that the iphone apps / games are far more elegant and make excellent use of the accelerometer, multitouch and the faster cpu. What I DON'T like is Apple having the ultimate decision on which apps are released. But then that's what jailbraking is for.

I would love to see S60 touch take on the iphone but I think Nokia is too far behind.

Originally Posted by ddsdude

I would love to see S60 touch take on the iphone but I think Nokia is too far behind.