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Posted by: rsnt

So me and my brother drove to wasaga beach with two of our friends, 4 guys two cars, first time for us driving up there and we didnt really know our way around. We got there around 11PM, our friends were planning to stay there but we were heading back because I had work in the morning.

We drove around and got the strip where there was a club called "Banans" My friends park and we do a U-turn (my brother driving) to go back the same way because we didnt want to get lost. As he turns he BARELY presses and the car tires screech on the pavement, about 5 seconds later my brother notices that its a one way street, I say whatever dude we're almost around the corner let's just go I dont want us to get lost and be late im already tired and need to get some sleep. We get to the corner and I look over about 200 feet in a parking lot a cop car launching from position turning left and I think to myself: "that guy is coming for us"

Two seconds later we're surrounded by 4 cop cars, cop comes over, the usual BS:

Cop: have you been drinking?
Us: No sir.
Cop: Thats a ****ing lie I smell alcohol -
Us:.............
Cop: Either that or theres a strong cologne in the car.

yada yada - An hour later, here's the conclusion:

Car gets towed (It's a rental, too)
License Suspended for a week
Court date for dangerous driving.

Ok seriously WTF! First off, the screeching wasn't intentional, Sand + Gas on a U-turn = some screech. Second, WE'VE NEVER BEEEEEN HEEEERRRREEEEE and we didnt realize we went the wrong way. Even though it was MY fault it wasn't going to matter. Apparently there was a cop on the porch of the club next to Banan's and he radioed the car for screeching.

I'm so glad my friends had their car still and they dumped their plans for camping and drove us back. When I talked to the cop to try and let it slip he's like "OH no unfortunately it's already been radioed and my supervisor will want to know what happened!"

Posted by: patrickrlewis

Sorry, but one way streets don't just suddenly appear. There would have been a sign.

Also, tired don't just screech out of no where. There is a reason they do, and it is called speed.

The alcohol thing is easily detectable with a breathalizer, so there would have been no issue there as long as you weren't drinking.

But your brother did break the law by going down a one way street, and the screeching tires is enough to jack it up to a reckless driving charge.

Posted by: rsnt

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Originally Posted by patrickrlewis

Sorry, but one way streets don't just suddenly appear. There would have been a sign.

Also, tired don't just screech out of no where. There is a reason they do, and it is called speed.

The alcohol thing is easily detectable with a breathalizer, so there would have been no issue there as long as you weren't drinking.

But your brother did break the law by going down a one way street, and the screeching tires is enough to jack it up to a reckless driving charge.

Really? so you think I'm up at 2 AM ranting about it because we were speeding? which part of a U-turn didnt you get? U-turn AND sand will make your tires screech if you press the gas just a lil. Thats one thing, second, I didnt say the one way street just appeared, because if you had actually read the post I said he noticed it was a one way street just 5 seconds later, and I literally mean 5 seconds, that my friend, happens when you're in a hurry and not familiar with the area your in.

it was my fault for making him drive in it regardless.

Posted by: patrickrlewis

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Originally Posted by rsnt

In all my years of driving, I have NEVER had my tires screech from doing a U turn at a normal speed.

Since I haven't driven in 4 years, it must be those new tires they are putting on cars

Posted by: rsnt

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Originally Posted by patrickrlewis

In all my years of driving, I have NEVER had my tires screech from doing a U turn at a normal speed.

Since I haven't driven in 4 years, it must be those new tires they are putting on cars

Again I didnt say it was "normal" speed he pressed just a little, that bit more wouldnt normally make your tires screech.

I just feel like **** because its my fault this whole thing happened.

Posted by: patrickrlewis

I would definitely agree the cops overreacted. There is no question about that.

A warning would have been nice, or even just a ticket.

But late at night, doing a U turn on a one way street kind of does lead to DUI suspicion, but after a quick field sobriety test, they could have ruled that out quickly.

Posted by: hf0511

Well either way we can't blame the cop for not letting you go. He didn't understand your position and thats his job. Just follow the law and deal with it.

Posted by: rsnt

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Originally Posted by hf0511

Well either way we can't blame the cop for not letting you go. He didn't understand your position and thats his job. Just follow the law and deal with it.

Yes I'm glad to know the streets are run by robots, "how to not understand people's positions" like patric said, a field sobriety test would've done one of two things: 1. let us off with a warning. 2. Ask more questions to TRY and understand the position.

Dont get me wrong, I'm not admitting we didnt do ANYTHING wrong, but because it wasn't intentional and on TOP of all that they treated us like we're wreaking havoc got under my skin.

Posted by: Prolab

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Originally Posted by patrickrlewis

Also, tired don't just screech out of no where. There is a reason they do, and it is called speed.

I guess you'd never driven a FWD with a bit more than 140 hp huh? With all seasons and soft suspension - it happens. Been there, done that.

As well, unfamiliar place, driving at night... makes someone unintenionally missed road signs especially if your lost and trying to go back where you came from. Granted on well light areas it may not be too hard to miss a sign. But for an unlit (assuming its unlit part of the road) it is plausible.

Besides, its OPP up north. They're just itching to get some action.

Posted by: rsnt

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Originally Posted by Prolab

Thank you! He has a pontiac G6 fwd, I can't believe I forgot to mention that.

Posted by: chimphappyhour

Right now, my car is need of new tires. The current ones have over 60k on them. (But they still pass tread depth tests!

) You should hear all the horrible noises they make when I turn. Frankly, it's a little embarrassing. Anytime I've ever had old tires on a car, it has done that. Definitely gotta give you that.

As for the one way though, I don't know how they do it up there but anyplace I have ever lived, there are always a lot of clear cut signs, and not just street signs. Going the wrong way on a one way has extremely dangerous consequences! I've been the first on scene to three accidents where someone was going the wrong way on a one way. As police officers, I'm sure they have seen them many more times than that. It isn't pretty, ever. After you have seen a few, you'll understand why what just happened did.

Posted by: Deckster

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Originally Posted by Prolab

Besides, its OPP up north. They're just itching to get some action.

When did Wasaga Beach become "up north" ?

Posted by: GP-SE

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Originally Posted by Deckster

When did Wasaga Beach become "up north" ?

anything above Newmarket is up north for us city slickers.

Posted by: I'mHomeless

1 - late night
2 - u-turn
3 - wrong way on a one way
4 - screeching tires
5 - "the strip" of a busy beach area surrounded by bars

What exactly is causing your confusion?

Posted by: phuviano

Just explain your situation in court to the judge. I'm pretty sure you'll be ok. OPP officers are *****, but I guess that's part of their job. Plus its the long weekend, so you know the OPP is going to hand out as many tickets as they can for whatever reasons.

Also, I've screeched the tires on my car before by accident. It happens, and I could see it happening especially with sand on the road.

Anyways, Best of luck to you. Hope everything works out.

Posted by: rsnt

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Originally Posted by I'mHomeless

1 - late night
2 - u-turn
3 - wrong way on a one way
4 - screeching tires
5 - "the strip" of a busy beach area surrounded by bars

What exactly is causing your confusion?

1 - ok? In a strang area.
2 - ok? What's wrong with u-turns?.
3 - he noticed it was wrong way, I told him to keep going because I don't feel like getting lost when I'm already two hours away from sauga
4 - are you pointing to something I already mentioned?
5 - "the strip" was empty, completely.

Your questions is causing my confusion.

Posted by: hf0511

I am confused. What is your real rant about? You do admit that you were wrong which is good so...

Is it that the OPP treated you guys with disrespect?
or is it that you feel the punishment is too hard?
or both?

Posted by: rsnt

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Originally Posted by hf0511

I am confused. What is your real rant about? You do admit that you were wrong which is good so...

Is it that the OPP treated you guys with disrespect?
or is it that you feel the punishment is too hard?
or both?

Disrespect? To a degree yes.
The punishment was too hard - being wrongfully punished is one of the things I completely distaste, and that's mainly what my rant is about.

Posted by: dsigma6

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Originally Posted by rsnt

4 guys two cars

Sorry.

Posted by: Zaku_4

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Originally Posted by rsnt

Disrespect? To a degree yes.
The punishment was too hard - being wrongfully punished is one of the things I completely distaste, and that's mainly what my rant is about.

hmm how were u wrongfully punished if u admit to everything?

i got a ticket for going wrong way in 1 way in a place i wasnt familiar wiht (waterloo) late at night and the cop gave me a ticket.

i just tried to fight it and thats about it. ur just pissed off cause he didnt go easy on u.

btw, ive driven fwd cars and unless ur going at a fair bit of speed while doing a u-turn u cant really make ur tires screech.

Posted by: momodabobo

F the police, best bet is to contest the ticket, hopefully you'll get a judge that is understanding and at best will reduce the amount of the fine. As for the police being jerks, well there seems to be more and more of them lately but at the same time they do need to be jerks to do their job, they never know who they are stopping.

Best of luck contesting the ticket though!

Posted by: EngineerJoe

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Originally Posted by patrickrlewis

Sorry, but one way streets don't just suddenly appear. There would have been a sign.

Yes, but at night, these signs aren't always easy to see. There are some tricks you can use to tell if you're on a one-way street (ie, are the cars parked on both sides of the street facing the same direction, or are there two stop signs facing the same direction at the intersection), but having lived in Hamilton, those tricks go right out the window.

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Originally Posted by Zaku_4

btw, ive driven fwd cars and unless ur going at a fair bit of speed while doing a u-turn u cant really make ur tires screech.

See below. Just because YOU can't do it, doesn't mean it can't be done.

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Originally Posted by patrickrlewis

Also, tired don't just screech out of no where. There is a reason they do, and it is called speed.

I can EASILY screech my tires without them going over 20km/h and without the vehicle going more than 3km/h. When you're vehicle is in a turn, the drive tires aren't turning at the same speed. Because of this, your differential is spinning and as soon as one tire gets less traction, it can easily break loose. And it's not difficult to break one tire loose and get it to screech. Lower quality tires will also screech a lot easier than quality tires.

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Originally Posted by patrickrlewis

The alcohol thing is easily detectable with a breathalizer, so there would have been no issue there as long as you weren't drinking.

He likely wasn't. Even if you pass a Breathalyzer (if you're not drunk and well under the limit), you can legally be issued a 12-hour license suspension and have your vehicle towed.

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Originally Posted by patrickrlewis

But your brother did break the law by going down a one way street, and the screeching tires is enough to jack it up to a reckless driving charge.

He broke the law and deserved a ticket for going the wrong-way on a one-way road! As far as the screeching tires, that doesn't automatically dictate reckless driving.

Posted by: Deckster

I think there needs to be some clarification on the "screeching" tires.

If the tires chirped that is misjudging traction, if they screeched that is not caring that they broke loose and easily can be deemed reckless driving.

Did he chirp the tires during the turn, or did he let them spin making enough noise for everyone in the near vicinity to think he's cool?

Posted by: rsnt

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Originally Posted by Deckster

I think there needs to be some clarification on the "screeching" tires.

If the tires chirped that is misjudging traction, if they screeched that is not caring that they broke loose and easily can be deemed reckless driving.

Did he chirp the tires during the turn, or did he let them spin making enough noise for everyone in the near vicinity to think he's cool?

lol no not at all - I guess it was somewhere in between because the cop 10ft away heard it and apparently thought it was intentional.

Here's the cute thing though, today is the one week lift and when I called the OPP yesterday to inquire about how he (my brother) can get his license they said "it wasnt there" and that it got sent to the MTO. sweet eh?

Posted by: IsLand_BoY

Okay.. I understand the frustration and this is one of those times you just suck it up and deal with the consequences. Yes it sucks because the cops didn't have to be so severe but it could also be a case of you guys being the one in too many cars doing dumb things in that area.

I take it it was a G6 I4? I think the G6 V6 has traction control.. I've had it kick in on a Malibu Maxx (trying to turn onto a busy highway from a road littered with gravel) and it definitely stopped the wheels from spinning.

Posted by: rockjock

Ahh yes the late nite runs to the peelers! Such fun.. oh that sound you hear thats the BS buton that got pushed. The cop did not speak to you like that because the OPP are wired for sound, so you are done. Wrong way on a 1 way done.. Reckless ahuh done.. pretty much you are SOL.. But that way you will learn. Much like that bloke that blew over the limit, and did 150 on the 401 I believe.. he too was upset and angry.. but thems the breaks.. and a rental no less! Even better.. Unless your story is BS.. or you left something out.. why not post the day of the court so some of us can come and have a listen.. pack a lunch perhaps.. and watch the Judge give you the berries.. But as it would seem.. story is lacking a few tidbits..

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Originally Posted by rsnt

So me and my brother drove to wasaga beach with two of our friends, 4 guys two cars, first time for us driving up there and we didnt really know our way around. We got there around 11PM, our friends were planning to stay there but we were heading back because I had work in the morning.

We drove around and got the strip where there was a club called "Banans" My friends park and we do a U-turn (my brother driving) to go back the same way because we didnt want to get lost. As he turns he BARELY presses and the car tires screech on the pavement, about 5 seconds later my brother notices that its a one way street, I say whatever dude we're almost around the corner let's just go I dont want us to get lost and be late im already tired and need to get some sleep. We get to the corner and I look over about 200 feet in a parking lot a cop car launching from position turning left and I think to myself: "that guy is coming for us"

Two seconds later we're surrounded by 4 cop cars, cop comes over, the usual BS:

Cop: have you been drinking?
Us: No sir.
Cop: Thats a ****ing lie I smell alcohol -
Us:.............
Cop: Either that or theres a strong cologne in the car.

yada yada - An hour later, here's the conclusion:

Car gets towed (It's a rental, too)
License Suspended for a week
Court date for dangerous driving.

Ok seriously WTF! First off, the screeching wasn't intentional, Sand + Gas on a U-turn = some screech. Second, WE'VE NEVER BEEEEEN HEEEERRRREEEEE and we didnt realize we went the wrong way. Even though it was MY fault it wasn't going to matter. Apparently there was a cop on the porch of the club next to Banan's and he radioed the car for screeching.

I'm so glad my friends had their car still and they dumped their plans for camping and drove us back. When I talked to the cop to try and let it slip he's like "OH no unfortunately it's already been radioed and my supervisor will want to know what happened!"