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Posted by: Death-Note

So what are the best affordable cars out there (5k-15k)?

Might get 1 soon, but I`ve never been into cars (More of a soccer guy) & there aren`t any websites that list affordable 1s. pros & cons ...etc

Been thinking about a Jeep, but a friend of mine told me to stay away from American cars.



Posted by: wizard8873

there's a lot out there. you really have to list what you want out of a car so that we can suggest something to you otherwise you'll get a huge list of vehicles all over the place



Posted by: Death-Note

Quote:
Originally Posted by wizard8873
there's a lot out there. you really have to list what you want out of a car so that we can suggest something to you otherwise you'll get a huge list of vehicles all over the place


Well, I`m not really sure what I want in a car, I know what I DON`T want though.

1. No SUVs
2.Noting tiny, I might consider something small, but not those mini 1s.

Turns out it`s a short list. Sooooo, what kind of things I`m supposed to check out? How many seats?



Posted by: wizard8873

well, do you want this as a family car, weekend cruiser, something in the middle of the two, luxurious, etc.



Posted by: TheRupp

Don't get a Jeep. Those things are horribly unreliable.

Check into a Toyota Matrix or one of the Scions if you need versatility.



Posted by: UrbanBounca

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRupp
Don't get a Jeep. Those things are horribly unreliable.

Check into a Toyota Matrix or one of the Scions if you need versatility.


They're not bad, honestly. The problem is that you could buy one, and it'll be bulletproof, while you buy another, same year, make and model, and it won't last a month.

For the record, there is nothing wrong with an American car. It's all about how well you take care of it. I've had a BMW, Honda Accord, Dodge D50, Ford Ranger, Chevrolet Blazer, Nissan Xterra, Nissan Maxima, and my current vehicle, a Honda Civic. The Ford Ranger was the best out of them all. The Honda Accord was by far, the worst.



Posted by: wam

Ive had many makes and models. Ive had the WORST luck out of Honda and Toyota. A friend of mine bought a new Toyota Prius Hybrid and its been nothing but trouble for her. Jeep Cherokees has been great for me (not GRAND Cherokee..dont get that one). Ive also have had good luck with Kia and Hyundai also. Ive been loyal to Subaru and Volvo for my likes.



Posted by: TheRupp

^ I was also going to maybe suggest a Forester or a Legacy Wagon/Outback.



Posted by: Superduper117

Quote:
Originally Posted by Death-Note
Well, I`m not really sure what I want in a car, I know what I DON`T want though.

1. No SUVs
2.Noting tiny, I might consider something small, but not those mini 1s.

Turns out it`s a short list. Sooooo, what kind of things I`m supposed to check out? How many seats?



do you wanna go fast? your not exactly making this easy.


a SRT-4 would be a good fun car if you like going fast. a Stratus, intrepid, 300M would be good if you want something nice (niceness listed in order)



Posted by: AndreBSD

Under 15k? Since you left it fairly open to anything but an SUV; I'd pickup a BMW 850. Image: http://www.supercars.net/carpics/17...BMW_850CSi1.jpg

It's not for everyone though, with a V12 engine it's going to rip fuel like nothing else, but my main criteria in any car I buy is it must be rare.

The 8-series, in case your wondering about parts, it's running the same engine and transmission from the 7-series at the time. So while you won't see an 850 in any junkyard, you can use some parts from the 7-series. If you do the basic maintinance yourself (brakes, oil change, etc) and don't floor it at every intersection then it's not that expensive to drive; if you on the other hand bring it to the dealer for everything then your going to melt your credit card.

I wanted to get an 850 a while back, but ended up finding myself a Porsche 951 and took that instead. I still do wonder if the 850 would have been the better choice though.



Posted by: 91RS

Quote:
Originally Posted by Death-Note
Been thinking about a Jeep, but a friend of mine told me to stay away from American cars.


Well, unfortunately most of the people around here are of the same mindset. American cars are nothing like they were in the 70s when the Japs started coming around, but people are just stubborn and won't let go of that idea. My 1991 Camaro with 130k miles on it left me stranded once in the time I owned it (fuel pump). Other than that I made no repairs to the car because of necessity. If you buy a POS (be it American or Import), hey guess what? It's going to be a POS! Just about anything you buy that's been made in the last few years is going to be reliable, and with you're budget I don't think that's much of an issue. It may not be perfect in every way, there may be some leaks or low quality interior materials (and yes that includes Japanese cars), but it probably won't leave you somewhere.

I'm a big GM fan and I think they make great cars and have been for longer than people give them credit for. Impalas are great cars (with your budget you can get a very well optioned 06+), I was going to buy one until I decided I wanted a truck instead of another car. Give a little more information about what you're looking for though.



Posted by: Death-Note

Quote:
Originally Posted by wizard8873
well, do you want this as a family car, weekend cruiser, something in the middle of the two, luxurious, etc.


NOT a family car. Something luxurious within my 15k budget would be nice (I can add abit if it`s worth it). I also don`t want a plain looking car.

Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreBSD
Under 15k? Since you left it fairly open to anything but an SUV; I'd pickup a BMW 850. Image: http://www.supercars.net/carpics/17...BMW_850CSi1.jpg

It's not for everyone though, with a V12 engine it's going to rip fuel like nothing else, but my main criteria in any car I buy is it must be rare.



Rare is nice, but that car looks old & outdated.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Superduper117
do you wanna go fast? your not exactly making this easy.


a SRT-4 would be a good fun car if you like going fast. a Stratus, intrepid, 300M would be good if you want something nice (niceness listed in order)



Fast is good, but I don`t think I`ll be speeding that much.

The SRT-4 looks decent, the Stratus looks like something my grandma would drive.



Posted by: ajponu

Nothing wrong with buying a Jeep, just have to make sure it wasn't abused.



Posted by: 91RS

If you're up for fast, you could check out an Impala SS with the 5.3L. They are sweet cars and wicked fast (compared to the competition). The only downfall I have with them is that they're FWD, but the price is definately right! You can get an 07 still under warranty for under $15k no problem. If you're interested in the SRT-4, you could also check out a Cobalt SS. The only problem with either of those cars so are the pricks that usually buy them can't drive a manual and beat the hell out of them.



Posted by: Death-Note

Quote:
Originally Posted by 91RS
If you're up for fast, you could check out an Impala SS with the 5.3L. They are sweet cars and wicked fast (compared to the competition). The only downfall I have with them is that they're FWD, but the price is definately right! You can get an 07 still under warranty for under $15k no problem. If you're interested in the SRT-4, you could also check out a Cobalt SS. The only problem with either of those cars so are the pricks that usually buy them can't drive a manual and beat the hell out of them.


thx.

Just for the record, I`d rather drive a porsche that can do 25mph max, than a crappy car the does 200mph. And as I said b4, I don`t want a plain looking car.

edit:

That Cobalt SS looks nice, how much do they go for? (New).

edit2:

woooow, just seen more pics of the Cobalt SS, f****in orgasmic.

edit3:

omg, they don`t come with automatic transmission, omg.



Posted by: AndreBSD

Quote:
Originally Posted by Death-Note
Just for the record, I`d rather drive a porsche that can do 25mph max


Well you can buy a Porsche... Boxsters are under 15k and you may be able to find a very early Cayman. Shouldn't look too outdated unless your Porsche nut then you'll notice the headlights are different than the new model.

As for the cobalt IMHO I'd hang myself before buying that. But hey, each to their own... if it turns you on then go for it. I got one friend who is absolutely crazy about the Cobalt SS but we do make fun of him for driving it.

Edit: Hum... well that's newer than I figured... 2002 Boxster, 14,999. http://www.cars.com/go/search/detai...?paId=301642152



Posted by: Death-Note

Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreBSD
Well you can buy a Porsche... Boxsters are under 15k and you may be able to find a very early Cayman. Shouldn't look too outdated unless your Porsche nut then you'll notice the headlights are different than the new model.

As for the cobalt IMHO I'd hang myself before buying that. But hey, each to their own... if it turns you on then go for it. I got one friend who is absolutely crazy about the Cobalt SS but we do make fun of him for driving it.

Edit: Hum... well that's newer than I figured... 2002 Boxster, 14,999. http://www.cars.com/go/search/detai...?paId=301642152


Nice..

Why does the cobalt suck? I`d defo get it if it had auto tans.

That porsche looks pretty sweet, fits in the budget 2. (Might get it)



Posted by: AndreBSD

Honestly, it's not a crap car, it's just something I wouldn't enjoy. Friend I have would probably only sell his if he got his hands on a Corvette so it must be one nice car. It's just not for me, the front wheel drive doesn't turn me on and it doesn't stick out. Would make an awesome sleeper car though, as I'm fairly sure not to many cops are going to think that thing is as quick as it is. 0 to 60 on the SS (according to car and driver) is 5.9 seconds, that's 0.1 seconds slower than a 2008 Boxster.

The speed of a Porsche with the cost of a Chevy? I can see why some people would like it.



Posted by: Death-Note

Is there anything wrong with the Porsche you mentioned? cheapest 1 I can find. (not that it`s a bad thing ). (Does it have Auto Trans?

What other Porsche cars fit into my budget?



Posted by: AndreBSD

For some reason I thought the Cayman was built before 2006 but I got that wrong. So not searching Autotrader.com/Cars.com for a specific model you'd be limited to: Boxster if you want something relatively new. Going older you could pickup a 911 (There's a 1990 right now up for just under 14k but it is in UT; looks like a good deal though), 944, 928, and 914.

Somehow craigslist seems to have cheaper cars though. The major websites are easier to search but for some reason craigslist seems to be cheaper.

Cars.com comes up with Caymans between $32,999 and $51,900
911 link in case your interested in something older: http://www.cars.com/go/search/detai...?paId=136998787

There we go... craigslist always got the deal. $18,999... bit out of budget for a 2001 911: http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sf...1099043352.html

Edit: the 911 is manual, forgot you wanted an auto. Automatics are a bit hard to come by with Porsches... last I heard was that 80% of their cars come with Manuals and they are currently the only major car maker that builds more manuals than automatics.

The Boxster doesn't seem to have any problems according to the ad, that car does have an automatic. Well to be specific it's probably a "tiptronic" which is an automatic that can run in full auto or you can shift using the buttons on the wheel or using the gear stick as a sequential.

The thing to remember with the Boxsters, if you're going to work on it yourself, the engine can only be accessed from the bottom of the car. The rear trunk has access for the oil and water, the front trunk I think you can only get to like the gas tank level sensor. Any thing like changing belts and such will need to be done from the bottom.



Posted by: Death-Note

Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreBSD
For some reason I thought the Cayman was built before 2006 but I got that wrong. So not searching Autotrader.com/Cars.com for a specific model you'd be limited to: Boxster if you want something relatively new. Going older you could pickup a 911 (There's a 1990 right now up for just under 14k but it is in UT; looks like a good deal though), 944, 928, and 914.

Somehow craigslist seems to have cheaper cars though. The major websites are easier to search but for some reason craigslist seems to be cheaper.

Cars.com comes up with Caymans between $32,999 and $51,900
911 link in case your interested in something older: http://www.cars.com/go/search/detai...?paId=136998787

There we go... craigslist always got the deal. $18,999... bit out of budget for a 2001 911: http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sf...1099043352.html

Edit: the 911 is manual, forgot you wanted an auto. Automatics are a bit hard to come by with Porsches... last I heard was that 80% of their cars come with Manuals and they are currently the only major car maker that builds more manuals than automatics.

The Boxster doesn't seem to have any problems according to the ad, that car does have an automatic. Well to be specific it's probably a "tiptronic" which is an automatic that can run in full auto or you can shift using the buttons on the wheel or using the gear stick as a sequential.

The thing to remember with the Boxsters, if you're going to work on it yourself, the engine can only be accessed from the bottom of the car. The rear trunk has access for the oil and water, the front trunk I think you can only get to like the gas tank level sensor. Any thing like changing belts and such will need to be done from the bottom.


kool.

What do you think about this?

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/ws...1097119087.html ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yyhOvZP0Qo )

BTW, This is gonna be my 1st car in the US, (I moved here 4 months ago), so do you think it`s a good idea to get that ^ or the 1 you listed b4?

Edit:

IF/when I`m gong to buy it, am I supposed to try to get the dealer to lower the price? (if yes, then by how much?)



Posted by: ajponu

Are you paying cash for the car?



Posted by: Death-Note

Quote:
Originally Posted by ajponu
Are you paying cash for the car?


nope, paying with gold bars.



Posted by: BeaverLiquor

where exactly did you move from?



Posted by: Death-Note

Quote:
Originally Posted by BeaverLiquor
where exactly did you move from?


Libya



Posted by: EChid

I would suggest look for something that is less luxury brand. You pay less to get the same luxuries. Have a look at the Mazda 6 or Nissan Altima 3.5 SE perhaps. They look good and are nice and fast with the V6.



Posted by: AndreBSD

I think either the 911 or the Boxster would be a good choice. The Boxster is easier to drive as the engine is in the middle and it's not as quick as a 911. 911's have a tendency where the back of the car suddenly starts to slide under hard acceleration while cornering since the engine is so far to the rear. The Boxster would be cheaper to fix though, if you go to a dealer and say 911 they see dollar signs, and I'm pretty sure insurance would be cheaper on the Boxster as well.

I would always try to get a better price, if you buy from a dealer or a person most the time you can go down a bit. At the dealer I would see how long it's been on the lot, the longer it's on the lot they better deal you might get as at some point they just want to get rid of the thing. With a private seller they might not go down as much, I only got 400 bucks off my Porsche from a private seller but it was pretty much a steal anyway.

Just get what you enjoy. I figure if you want a 100k car, buy it... but if you were going to spend 50k, then keep the 100k car twice a long. Now you broke even (if we don't include re-sale and such). - Or even better, buy that Lamborghini then rent the thing out for a couple weekends out of the month to pay for payments and maintenance, then your Lamborghini is free while Joe down the street is making payments, from his own money, for his Toyota.



Posted by: ajponu

Quote:
Originally Posted by Death-Note
nope, paying with gold bars.


I take it you haven't shopped car insurance yet in Khalafonia.



Posted by: Death-Note

Quote:
Originally Posted by EChid
I would suggest look for something that is less luxury brand. You pay less to get the same luxuries. Have a look at the Mazda 6 or Nissan Altima 3.5 SE perhaps. They look good and are nice and fast with the V6.


Thx

Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreBSD
I think either the 911 or the Boxster would be a good choice. The Boxster is easier to drive as the engine is in the middle and it's not as quick as a 911. 911's have a tendency where the back of the car suddenly starts to slide under hard acceleration while cornering since the engine is so far to the rear. The Boxster would be cheaper to fix though, if you go to a dealer and say 911 they see dollar signs, and I'm pretty sure insurance would be cheaper on the Boxster as well.

I would always try to get a better price, if you buy from a dealer or a person most the time you can go down a bit. At the dealer I would see how long it's been on the lot, the longer it's on the lot they better deal you might get as at some point they just want to get rid of the thing. With a private seller they might not go down as much, I only got 400 bucks off my Porsche from a private seller but it was pretty much a steal anyway.

Just get what you enjoy. I figure if you want a 100k car, buy it... but if you were going to spend 50k, then keep the 100k car twice a long. Now you broke even (if we don't include re-sale and such). - Or even better, buy that Lamborghini then rent the thing out for a couple weekends out of the month to pay for payments and maintenance, then your Lamborghini is free while Joe down the street is making payments, from his own money, for his Toyota.


thx,

so

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/ws...1099778730.html

or

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/ws...1097119087.html

or

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detai...?paId=301642152

Which would you pick?

Also, they would let me test drive them 1st right? and do they do that thing (Like in gyms), where they try to get you to buy it?

And how can I ask for a better price? Should I just name a price and tell him that`s how much I`ll pay? or should I play it kool & pretend I`m not really interested unless I get a good deal?

Also, where should I look/search for good deals?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ajponu
I take it you haven't shopped car insurance yet in Khalafonia.


Nope, how much would it likely cost?



Posted by: AndreBSD

I'd go with: http://losangeles.craigslist.org/ws...1097119087.html to me that one looks like it's been kept up well. Mileage is the least amount and I personally like them in Black/Black.

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/ws...1099778730.html would be my second choice. Pretty similar to the black one it seems.

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detai...?paId=301642152 is the cheapest, but looking closely at the pictures now it kind of bugs me. Someone changed the center console. The radio is changed and there's a cup holder where the other cars have the A/C controls. The rear window is foggy, replacing that is probably not cheap.

They surely would let you test drive the car though normally if it's a used one you just go for 5-10 minutes with the owner/dealer with you. They won't let you take it for 24 hours like some new car dealers will do for you. For a better price I usually just ask them straight out "Hey, would you take XXX for it"... sometimes they come back with another amount somewhere in between and you can go back and forth a couple times. You can also walk away and even call them back a few days later to ask if they can work a deal.

I tend to find the best deals for cars on craigslist.org though many of them are private sellers. I think right now you might get the best deal from a private seller because with the economy some people are selling because they need the money. If the person needs the money then they will take whatever you're willing to pay.

Insurance shouldn't be too horrible, it really depends if your going for full coverage or not. Liability insurance where the company only pays for the guy you hit in an accident caused by you is pretty cheap on basically any car. Full-coverage where they also replace your own car when you cause an accident may be more expensive, but if your insuring a Porsche worth 18k vs a Chevy worth 18k it should be around the same price. Some companies like to say "oh, but your car is quicker... it's a sports car... you'll go fast... etc" then I'd just look somewhere else. If you don't have any tickets or accidents, which I'm fairly sure you don't yet, then you'll get a good deal somewhere.



Posted by: Death-Note

Thx andre. I probably won`t get the Porsche until a week or 2, so by then the price should be cheaper (if its still available) right?.

And by how much should I ask him to lower it? it`s on sale for $16995, so would I be able to get it to 16k$, or is that asking too much?



Posted by: AndreBSD

In a couple weeks the dealer may lower the price out of their own if it's still available, but either way I think you'd be able to get it for 16k. You might even bring some ads with you of like the 2002 one for 15k and act like your seriously interested in the one for 15k but if they are willing to take 16k for theirs you'll do it. Give them a stupid reason like their dealership seems nicer or something, "Well if you'll take 16k for yours I'll do it... I think your a good guy and I'd prefer to give you the commission over the other guy who was kind of a jerk yesterday when I stopped by." Make it seem like you're giving them a deal, flatter the sales person a bit, and mention commission just to remind them that if they take the deal they get money too.



Posted by: Death-Note

Quote:
Originally Posted by AndreBSD
In a couple weeks the dealer may lower the price out of their own if it's still available, but either way I think you'd be able to get it for 16k. You might even bring some ads with you of like the 2002 one for 15k and act like your seriously interested in the one for 15k but if they are willing to take 16k for theirs you'll do it. Give them a stupid reason like their dealership seems nicer or something, "Well if you'll take 16k for yours I'll do it... I think your a good guy and I'd prefer to give you the commission over the other guy who was kind of a jerk yesterday when I stopped by." Make it seem like you're giving them a deal, flatter the sales person a bit, and mention commission just to remind them that if they take the deal they get money too.


I lol`ed

Thx dude.

1 last question. Should I get full coverage? I don`t know how much it is, and I don`t think it`s worth it (It`s not like im buyin a 100k car), what do you think?



Posted by: AndreBSD

I just have liability and unless you think you're going to crash the thing I wouldn't take full coverage.

If you want you can always figure out the difference and "self insure". Say liability is $50 a month and full is $200 (random numbers), then put the $150 difference per month in a savings account. If you happen to crash the thing a few years down the road, you'd have more than enough to pay for repairs. And if you don't crash then you can blow a few grand on a vacation or something.



Posted by: wizard8873

Quote:
Originally Posted by EChid
I would suggest look for something that is less luxury brand. You pay less to get the same luxuries. Have a look at the Mazda 6 or Nissan Altima 3.5 SE perhaps. They look good and are nice and fast with the V6.


i was going to say those except they're more of family cars. still, i loved my altima v6. the thing was fast, handled amazingly well for a FWD, and looked great. saw a 2006 V6 by us with 18,000 miles and they were asking $13,800.



Posted by: ajponu

Quote:
Originally Posted by Death-Note
Thx



thx,

so

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/ws...1099778730.html

or

http://losangeles.craigslist.org/ws...1097119087.html

or

http://www.cars.com/go/search/detai...?paId=301642152

Which would you pick?

Also, they would let me test drive them 1st right? and do they do that thing (Like in gyms), where they try to get you to buy it?

And how can I ask for a better price? Should I just name a price and tell him that`s how much I`ll pay? or should I play it kool & pretend I`m not really interested unless I get a good deal?

Also, where should I look/search for good deals?



Nope, how much would it likely cost?



Not to sure do you currently have a California driver license, If so how long have you had it? I say shop around online with Progressive or Geico, should be able to get good rates with one of them.



Posted by: Death-Note

Quote:
Originally Posted by ajponu
Not to sure do you currently have a California driver license, If so how long have you had it? I say shop around online with Progressive or Geico, should be able to get good rates with one of them.


Nope, I don`t have one yet, should get one in a few weeks.

Anyway, I checked the porsche boxster, and it looks ****. It is small, and it just looks like ****.

Anyway, I need a car that`s a bit larger. I`m probably gonna be visiting/traveling to alot of places across the country (I`m an international student, and I would like to visit as many places as possible), so I`m looking for a more "fun/comfy" car. I really like the looks/feels of the Jeep wrangler, but everyone keeps tellin me that they`re crap. Are there any German/Japanese cars that look/have a similar feel to the jeep W?



Posted by: ajponu

Get an H3, you can probably get one for really cheap.



Posted by: Death-Note

Quote:
Originally Posted by ajponu
Get an H3, you can probably get one for really cheap.


Too big.





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