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Blackberry Vs. Windows Mobile?
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Posted by: pjaneiro

Ok first off, I would like to mention that I am a Windows Mobile fan and cannot stand Blackberries, I am trying to stay neutral, I am just trying to figure some things here and if someone can chime in with some answers it would be nice.

First off I am running an exchange server 2k7 and all my Windows Mobile phones work great. the Blackberries also work, lacking some feature but they work.

My users running the Blackberries only get Email through the Bell site, but I have one user going through the personal BES server version.

He was setup last month and he got his bill this month 3000$ which is 277MB over his 4MB limit, OK weird, anyhow my bills always roam around 30MB per month not 277MB.

So I did a test for the last two weeks I configured my spare Windows Mobile phone to his account, also denied him the use of his Blackberry and had both phones sit on my desk with chargers, both phones set on the push-pull, both syncing automatically, verdict...

The Windows Mobile phone has so far used 13MB and the Blackberry is now at 41MB.

That's 3 times the size of data, I had once read somewhere that Blackberries do consume more, and had done a similar test in the past and came to the same conclusions, but this is ridiculous.

Does anyone has any knowledge of why this happens ?

Thanks!

Posted by: fnakfhe

All i know about BB is they suck.

I love my HTC pro,

I shelfed my 8830 world edition for the HTC pro, and i am loveing it.

GO windows mobile!

Posted by: MacD

All i know about WinMo is they suck.

I love my Blackberry Storm,

I shelfed my 6800 for Blackberry's, and i am loving them.

GO Blackberry!

Posted by: jgon9

All I know is that I like both WM and BB. lol

I don't see how the BB could be using more data to receive the same info that the WM is receiving.

Posted by: pjaneiro

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Originally Posted by MacD

All i know about WinMo is they suck.

I love my Blackberry Storm,

I shelfed my 6800 for Blackberry's, and i am loving them.

GO Blackberry!

That's odd, from most threads i have read the storm is one of the worst BB ever made, as i said i myself do not like the way they operate alltogether, it's the way the calendar and email are shown is just wrong, and their office suite is just plain unuseable, i also agree that some winmo enabled phone are just plain stupid and should not be even turned on (samsung jack, moto q) are some examples

Anyhow my question was if anyone has an idea as why this happens, i've had a conversation with an "engineer" from bell, and he stipulates it has to do with the fact that rim devices must go through the rim network and does multiple hops, wich in my point of view is stupid, for that phone to get emails it has to connect to the phone carrier than to another data provider (rim) that then communicates to the internet and then to your enterprise network through another server (bes)in your enterprise that is connected to your mail server...whew.....

Posted by: totti_07

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Originally Posted by MacD

All i know about WinMo is they suck.

I love my Blackberry Curve,

I shelfed my 6800 for Blackberry's, and i am loving them.

GO Blackberry!

Posted by: jase88

OP: How did you determine the data consumption over the two weeks?

Most billing periods are 1 month. My thinking is the user must have consumed this data prior to your taking it.

The "engineer" at Bell doesn't know what he's talking about. Data consumption on Blackberry is typically low compared to other platforms, due to excellent compression and RIM's push technology.

Posted by: pjaneiro

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Originally Posted by jase88

OP: How did you determine the data consumption over the two weeks?

Most billing periods are 1 month. My thinking is the user must have consumed this data prior to your taking it.

The "engineer" at Bell doesn't know what he's talking about. Data consumption on Blackberry is typically low compared to other platforms, due to excellent compression and RIM's push technology.

I called bell, and asked them how much kb were trasnfered already from a specific date to the one we were talking on the phone,

as for the push technology from rim, if you only knew how many times i had users call me asking why sometimes their calendars would take 30 to 45 minutes to update when their other partners would have received the meeting almost immidiately after it was sent...sometimes the bbs are blazing fast and sometimes they seem to be stuck in traffic...lol

i've resolved the issue, bell could'nt give me a straight answer for the useage and i don't have time to explain myself to accounting every month as to why the bb users have so much bigger bills,

BB are no longer permitted or paid for by the firm

what it comes down to

less fees, less hardware, less maintenance, less traffic generated by an extra server, less whining because a document could'nt be opened by a bb device

Posted by: Roscopcoletrain

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Originally Posted by pjaneiro

That's odd, from most threads i have read the storm is one of the worst BB ever made, .

I think what you see is people who will rant about a issue or dslike with the storm. What you dont see is people who make threads saying how much they love it. That goes with just about everything though. But the storm does seem to have a love it/hate it following.

But there have been more then a few polls on crackberry asking people to rate their storms. Ive never seen one poll favor the dislikes.

Posted by: joemorin

I like WinMo for many reasons. One nice cost/administration feature, no extra servers required.

Posted by: Quser112

Regarding data:

The difference may be attributed to the compression ratio of the data downstream on the 2 platforms.

Regarding Winmo and BB:

Winmo has the advantage of free exchange syncing between contacts, schedule, tasks. Whereas on BB, one MUST have BES to sync those things. BES requires specific plans which we all know arent cheap.

On the flipside, bb is simply easier to use(for me at least). Little things make all the difference to me such as; you receive an email, pull your bb out of its holster and it will automatically open the last email.

BB messenger telling the user whether their message has been delivered and then read. Not to mention the sheer convenience of bb messenger without all the extra non functional crap you see on other IM tools like MSN(pics, exaggerated gui etc).

In my experience, all my winmo phones were slower and lagged compared to my bb's. I likely attribute that to the BB's lack of focus on a cluttered interface. How can one not expect a diamond or a pro not to lag when you have winmo as an OS which is graphically more intense than BB OS, and then on top of that the put the touch flo 3d. In winmo's defense there are multiple roms to address this and other failings, but its hit and miss.

And lets be honest, winmo phones cant touch the battery life of a blackberry. My profile will show ive owned my share of winmo phones and in terms of battery life, my bb's gennerally last 3 times longer. Im on the go quite a bit and dont have willingness/patience to carry chargers every where I go. I would be lucky if my HTC Diamond would make it through a day. My moto Q would get through 2 days. My curve I could leave for almost 4 days without having to charge it.

I conclude the winmo is for me great in terms of fun factor, bb is optimized for efficiency. There is a reason why large companies have incorporated blackberry into their communication structure.

Posted by: pjaneiro

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Originally Posted by Roscopcoletrain

I agree, most people who will post something about something is usually to rant, On my end the users here who have tried the storm just hate the touch of it

Posted by: pjaneiro

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Originally Posted by Quser112

Regarding data:

The difference may be attributed to the compression ratio of the data downstream on the 2 platforms.

Regarding Winmo and BB:

Winmo has the advantage of free exchange syncing between contacts, schedule, tasks. Whereas on BB, one MUST have BES to sync those things. BES requires specific plans which we all know arent cheap.

On the flipside, bb is simply easier to use(for me at least). Little things make all the difference to me such as; you receive an email, pull your bb out of its holster and it will automatically open the last email.

BB messenger telling the user whether their message has been delivered and then read. Not to mention the sheer convenience of bb messenger without all the extra non functional crap you see on other IM tools like MSN(pics, exaggerated gui etc).

In my experience, all my winmo phones were slower and lagged compared to my bb's. I likely attribute that to the BB's lack of focus on a cluttered interface. How can one not expect a diamond or a pro not to lag when you have winmo as an OS which is graphically more intense than BB OS, and then on top of that the put the touch flo 3d. In winmo's defense there are multiple roms to address this and other failings, but its hit and miss.

And lets be honest, winmo phones cant touch the battery life of a blackberry. My profile will show ive owned my share of winmo phones and in terms of battery life, my bb's gennerally last 3 times longer. Im on the go quite a bit and dont have willingness/patience to carry chargers every where I go. I would be lucky if my HTC Diamond would make it through a day. My moto Q would get through 2 days. My curve I could leave for almost 4 days without having to charge it.

I conclude the winmo is for me great in terms of fun factor, bb is optimized for efficiency. There is a reason why large companies have incorporated blackberry into their communication structure.

On this note i disagree on almost all the line, on real winmo devices when a user gets an email he gets the popup that allows him to get read that email or the whole inbox (also he can read the whole INBOX and subfolders if properly configured) for the reception notifiers, the advantage is to the winmo device, remember one less step here, user creates emails, ask for a delivery and read recept, if this option is enabled on the bb device, user will get a delivery from rim, a send from rim, and a read from teh recipient, that 3 notifications, for teh slow part, i give this one to you, depending on wich phone you have some are super slowmo (touch pro / diamond) but some are very fat and business oriented, i have a touch, super fast phone efficient and has a working GPS, that's another thing that bother me and my users a lot ! On my current setup i have added GARMIN GPS to all my winmo phone, they all have 4gb card and their gps is fast and accurate, the BB have NO MAPS, it must load each time, and of course this adds data at the end of the month...Now for teh battery life, everybody tells me the same thing, BB have a onger battery life, until the newer phone like the bold the storm and the world i agreed, but now no way, my winmo devices get charged every 3 days, and this is with wifi enabled, the bolds i have here once wifi is enabled they get charged every day, the storms get charged after about a 10hr day...and i do respect the charging procedure, as for applications, i know BB\s are starting to have a nice set of apps, but maybe it's because i'm more of a windows guy, but the whole touchy feeling of the thing just feels wrong, but that's just me...

Posted by: Quser112

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i have a touch, super fast phone efficient and has a working GPS, that's another thing that bother me and my users a lot

not to rag on your phone but I owned that device as well. Stock rom version, I found it terrible. I owned two of them and I found the phone to be laggy and the built in gps on both had to be hacked to get a quick gps lock. The battery life on that phone wasnt horrible but again, my curve last a lot longer. I currently have a storm, and considering the resolution and the size of the screen(obviously more battery drain) it still lasts longer than my old HTC touch.

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on real winmo devices when a user gets an email he gets the popup that allows him to get read that email or the whole inbox

On that note, my point was you dont get a popup or have to select anything on the bb. My holster vibrates, I take my phone out, and the message is already there on the screen for me to read.

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remember one less step here, user creates emails, ask for a delivery and read recept, if this option is enabled on the bb device, user will get a delivery from rim, a send from rim, and a read from teh recipient, that 3 notifications

On my storm there are SEPERATE options for Confirm delivery and Confirm Read. You can actually have just confirm the read. I have confirm read set to "yes" and confirm delivery set to "no". I only get one notification, the read confirmation.

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On my current setup i have added GARMIN GPS to all my winmo phone, they all have 4gb card and their gps is fast and accurate, the BB have NO MAPS, it must load each time, and of course this adds data at the end of the month.

This you have a point on, you need data to use BB maps. However you can use garmin mobile and other 3rd party apps for GPS, still would require data though. Obviously the benefit of winmo is that the maps are offline therefore no actual data connection required to use it. On the flipside, your map data through garmin mobile on BB will always be current whereas offline map data must be updated(usually at users cost). I have a fairly good data plan where GPS on garmin mobile has never been an issue. In a more recent development, Trekbuddy IS an offline and free gps app that is being used with some bb models now.

Finally, BB messenger is something I cannot do without. Maybe winmo has an app that can be made to communicate with BB messenger clients? I havent seen it and until I do i probably will never consider winmo again. Either that or the corporate world will have to adopt msn over bb messenger and thats not happening.

Posted by: kav2001c

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Originally Posted by jase88

There is more information being exchanged as he is on a BES he indicates

Still surprised at that big a differance though so I also think there is something else here

Posted by: Bhagwan

My question to the OP is why are you on a 4 meg plan to begin with?

Posted by: jase88

Wirelessly posted (BlackBerry8830/4.5.0.127 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/109)

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Originally Posted by kav2001c

Quote:

Originally Posted by jase88

There is more information being exchanged as he is on a BES he indicates

Still surprised at that big a differance though so I also think there is something else here

BES doesn't add that much data consumption. There's not way. Unless you're running some data-intensive app off the BES, like mapping. But that is rarely the case.
Something doesn't sound right here.

Posted by: kav2001c

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Originally Posted by Bhagwan

My question to the OP is why are you on a 4 meg plan to begin with?

Unlimited plans dont support BES & he probably didnt want to pay the $45 plan is my guess

Posted by: GRANDISON

winmo would be nice if it wasnt just a complete port of pc windows for a cellphone...

like honestly is this the best they can come up with...
the mini start button just kills it... thank god htc has its touch flow goin on, otherwise i would never consider a winmo device

Posted by: fnakfhe

'Resistance Is Futile'

'We are Windows Mobile. Lower your shields and surrender your Black Berry's. We will add your Storage and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your Corporation will adapt to service us. Resistance is Futile.'

Posted by: mcfz

I am a Windows Mobile Junkie. People here at work love their BB's.

At the end of the day, it is about what you want...

If you want a reliable TRIED, TRUE, AND TESTED device, I suppose a good ole' BB will do the trick.

If you want something you can CUSTOMIZE and RAPE (operating system wise speaking of course), Windows Mobile is ideal.

LOL

Posted by: Bhagwan

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Originally Posted by kav2001c

Unlimited plans dont support BES & he probably didnt want to pay the $45 plan is my guess

$3000 is better?

Posted by: kav2001c

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Originally Posted by mcfz

I am a Windows Mobile Junkie. People here at work love their BB's.

At the end of the day, it is about what you want...

If you want a reliable TRIED, TRUE, AND TESTED device, I suppose a good ole' BB will do the trick.

If you want something you can CUSTOMIZE and RAPE (operating system wise speaking of course), Windows Mobile is ideal.

LOL

WM also has far more applications than BB does (& also far more useful apps)
I find really the only huge advantage of BB is email support (esp on corporate servers)