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Spec for Sharp SH-06A works with TELUS' HSPA? Please Help!
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Posted by: neogenesis713

Note: This is a double post. The original post is from the link
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1586681

I originally posted this in sharp section, but I thought more people would browse through general section... so here it is. I will delete this one as soon as my question has been answered.

Anyhow, here's my question(s)...

I have a friend of mine in Japan who wants to give me his Sharp SH-06A cell to me. Compared to my old cell, it would be a welcoming change. (Switching the cell is merely $15, so it's ok with me) However, I was told that only Rogers or Fido have GSM compatibility. This is not cool with me because I am under TELUS contract.

But I was told that TELUS is launching a new network system called HSPA, and it's apparently more high-tech network method compared to GSM. (For 3G and 4G, I think that's what they said. And it just got started today... they can even start working with iphone now) Since SH-06A is relatively new cell (I think it was launched this summer, I think... it had good rating, right next to newly introduced iphone) could this mean that the Japanese cell may work with HSPA if I can get their sim card?

I tried to check it out with TELUS, and they said if the phone is relatively new... there's a good chance that it would work. Sadly enough, the cell's IMEI number is not registered with TELUS system yet. They cautiously said that the system may be at fault... and I should check it out in a week or so when the system is fully updated.

I did a bit of research to make good Samaritans' life a bit easier.
According to this post, it says..

# The HSPA networks is deployed in the existing Cellular (850MHz) and PCS (1900MHz) spectrum, just like what the existing CDMA2000/EVDO Rev. 0/A networks are deployed in.

# A GSM-only phone (e.g. Quadband GSM 850/900/1800/1900) WON'T WORK on the TELUS or Bell HSPA networks.

# A 3G capable phone w/ only WCDMA/UMTS/HSPA 2100 WON'T WORK on the TELUS or Bell HSPA networks.

# A Multi-mode/band phone that INCLUDES the 3G WCDMA/UMTS/HSPA 850/1900 (e.g. Quadband GSM + 3G w/ 850/1900) WILL BE REQUIRED.

See this link as a reference...

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache...n&ct=clnk&gl=ca

This is how SH-06A was advertised in eBay. (Yes, I am desparate enough to trust them... )

Docomo Sharp SH-06A (Grey)

- Network : GSM (2G) 900/1800/1900 UMTS (3G) 2100 / WCDMA(3G)/GSM(2G)
- Bilingual phone (can be changed from Japanese to English and vice versa)

From the spec, it sounds like it will work. (When I presented this info to Telus staff, they start mumble a bit and said wait until HSPA releases full list of workable IMEI...

If anyone is knowledgeable in cell tech area, do you think I have a good chance? I miss using Asian cell, and I really wouldn't mind pay some expense to make changes.

Thanking you in advance,

neogenesis

PS: I cannot change TELUS contract. (I still have 2 years of contract that I must "honour") And I donno if I want to wait 2 years till I switch into something else. (My cell is in limited production, and my friends really want to send it as a gift ASAP)

PPS: I understand that TV, and GPS function may not work... but does anyone know if I can still upload mp3, video and picture files like a mp3 video player?

Posted by: IonNuke

Japanese Phones = NO MP3s.... unless it's a Sony Ericsson Docomo and even then there's like 1 model that supports MP3s

Posted by: aw614

Quote:

Originally Posted by IonNuke

Japanese Phones = NO MP3s.... unless it's a Sony Ericsson Docomo and even then there's like 1 model that supports MP3s

there are more i dont remember which i know of two on the top of my head

Posted by: IonNuke

There's really no point in trying to worry about MP3s in a Japanese phone at this point. But then again I generally just adapt to everything and not stick to 1 thing

Posted by: edieboy777

Okay, let me tell you that yes, theoretically it should work on Telus now that their network launched. However, I don't know if you know this, but it literally just launched *today* so no one has tested how well the sim unlocks work with Telus sim cards yet

Posted by: xplicitpin0i

Your main concern is simcard compatibility, it'll be harder since telus will be using a newer type simcard/usim.. like for me at the moment my Ismartsim08 and Mr Sim 2.1 both pick up and are able to make calls on 3G for fido but incoming calls or texts don't work, you'll likely have a similar situation happen unless one of the sim hacks out there will work.. If not and to save yourself from spending too much just get a software unlocked NEC, I personally like the N-09A and the camera on it isn't so bad, plus running on 3G makes for optimum battery life on newer gen keitais..

Posted by: yangj08

But what do they need your phone's IMEI for?

Posted by: neogenesis713

Quote:

Originally Posted by IonNuke

Japanese Phones = NO MP3s.... unless it's a Sony Ericsson Docomo and even then there's like 1 model that supports MP3s

Quote:

Originally Posted by IonNuke

There's really no point in trying to worry about MP3s in a Japanese phone at this point. But then again I generally just adapt to everything and not stick to 1 thing

This is not a big deal. I can switch mp3 songs into different format. And anyway, that's not my biggest concern. I need SH-06A to work with TELUS' new network.

Quote:

Originally Posted by edieboy777

Okay, let me tell you that yes, theoretically it should work on Telus now that their network launched. However, I don't know if you know this, but it literally just launched *today* so no one has tested how well the sim unlocks work with Telus sim cards yet

Too true. How long should I wait then? I guess the best think I can do is hassle TELUS to the point where someone specialized in network spec can help me out. (Today was so hectic cause TELUS is flooded with people unhappy with their cell LOL) My wait-time was nearly an hour... excluding the time when the phone somehow "hanged up" by itself 3 times.

I will try to point out the spec. Maybe they can guarantee me something if they have my cell spec. Who knows. Maybe they'll be better prepared to answer my questions tomorrow. They couldn't even verify my IMEI.

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Originally Posted by xplicitpin0i

Your main concern is simcard compatibility, it'll be harder since telus will be using a newer type simcard/usim.. like for me at the moment my Ismartsim08 and Mr Sim 2.1 both pick up and are able to make calls on 3G for fido but incoming calls or texts don't work, you'll likely have a similar situation happen unless one of the sim hacks out there will work.. If not and to save yourself from spending too much just get a software unlocked NEC, I personally like the N-09A and the camera on it isn't so bad, plus running on 3G makes for optimum battery life on newer gen keitais..

I am not sure what you are trying to say, other than the fact that I may get some screwed up side-effect (incoming call/text won't work???) This cell is already unlocked, and currently has a hypersim for Canadian usage. (I was told that it would work 100% in Fido or Rogers in Canada) And I don't care if I can text or not text. Oh, and I would be getting 2 fresh batteries, so I think my cell would last a day.

These are the functions I need.
1. Incoming and outgoing calls. Reasonable signal would be nice too, maybe their new HSPA network might help me with this.
2. Take pictures and be able to upload or download phote pics.
3. Upload video and music files. (I was told it has SD cards capability, so hussah!) I'd assume it would be WMA and WMV format, which works with me.
4. If there are other functions, that's cool too. But 1-3 is the essential I really need.

Oh, and could you elaborate the part when you said...

you'll likely have a similar situation happen unless one of the sim hacks out there will work..

You can hack TELUS' sim card? Are you saying that there are people who can manipulate sim cards so that it would work with Canadian cell companies? Is that a legal service in Canada? How much would they cost?

I look forward to more informative posts. I really appreciate them. I always get second-handed in terms of electronics, and I am really hoping that my first brand new cell would work perfectly.

Posted by: xplicitpin0i

hypersim/sim hack its all the same, what i was trying to say was that yes it does work well on rogers on fido but ON GSM on 3G only the rogers 3040 card has been proven to be stable fo both incoming and out going voice and sms this was discovered by users of the sh906i.. yeap so Telus=newer sim cards/usims=not so stable lack of incoming most likely

Posted by: hiallall

I think you'd better to wait for sometimes until the data of Telus's SIM being disclosed and implemented / tested by hypersim manufacturers.

Posted by: edieboy777

By the way, if you've been reading the Telus section on hofo you'd notice that they make you change to a separate plan if you want to switch from CDMA to HSPA, and fyi the plans blow. I tried to bargain with the telus rep and a telus dealer, and the plans just plain blow. Same with Bell, man what I would do for some real competition in Canada...

Posted by: fireshark

To reiterate, you may not get incoming calls.

Posted by: stevetam

you'll just have to be the first one to try. the Telux HSPA network is only days old in commercial service. It all comes down to hypersims and your sim. I would try the cheapest ones out first and start moving on....

Posted by: 4merly_blucific

Judging from the spec sheet, this phone will work.
The UMTS band on the SH-06A is 2100. TELUS' HSPA network runs on 850/1900.

Posted by: stevetam

the sharp has HSDPA 850 too.

Posted by: P4rtyboy

if the 3g works on rogers and fido, as they use the 850 and 1900, the same should be with telus and bell... its just a matter of the hyperism being able to work with the new telus and bell simcards as stated above..

Posted by: neogenesis713

The search is over. No Japanese phone for me

While many TELUS agents tried to direct me here and there, I finally managed to get in touch with the chief tech, and I wish all TELUS staff can be like this.

If it is not from TELUS phone, it must meet this specific requirement.

# A Multi-mode/band phone that INCLUDES the 3G WCDMA/UMTS/HSPA 850/1900 (e.g. Quadband GSM + 3G w/ 850/1900) WILL BE REQUIRED.

That's it. Unfortunately, the latest cells from Japan like SH-06A uses 2100 instead of 850/1900, hence it simply would not work. He did mention that TELUS is continuing to push their way into 4G cells that can utilize 2100, but he wouldn't know when this would be introduced. (Since they just came up with HSPA 1900, so not for a long time...

and wait, SH-06A is a 4G? I thought it was 3G) And even if the spec meets the requirement in the future, TELUS cannot guarantee anything if the phone is not from TELUS... even if it's unlocked.

The only way for DTT Docomo Sharp SH-06A, or any other cells that uses 2100, to work is via GSM... which is currently offered by Rogers and Fido only.

I am not wealthy enough to break the 2 remaining years of contract and pay 50% of the new Japanese cell. So this, as sad as it sounds, ends any hope for me to get a cool cellphone.

Thanks for your help, anyway. I guess I am stuck with my cell for 2 more years.

God, that beer tastes so bitter....

Thanks for your help, anyway. I really appreciated your insights.

PS: Does anyone know if such service exists? I give my cell phone, and the workshop can completely alter the exterior shape of the phone (LED too, but maybe I am just pushing my luck) for a fee?

Posted by: stevetam

honestly what don't you get about the Sh-06A having SH-06A, we've told you it has freaking 850.....

Posted by: neogenesis713

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevetam

honestly what don't you get about the Sh-06A having SH-06A, we've told you it has freaking 850.....

I will ask about HSDPA too then. I didn't know HSDPA was related to HSPA. I will try again then. Thanks.

PS: I'm a cell noob. I thought HSDPA was something else... TELUS specifically said HSPA... so, ops.

Posted by: stevetam

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Speed_Packet_Access

HSPA embodies HSDPA and HSUPA which both standards the Sh-06A highlights

Posted by: rx93nug

Ok guys, here's a few twists to the BCE plot.

Anyways, I go to Bell and Telus site to verify if IMEI for my SO905ics, AU Premiere3 and iida G9, all 3 very different phones, one being a Docomo that works with Hypersim, other being Global passport CDMA and G9 being ic unlocked Global Passport phone...

For the Bell site, all three phones would not register as working correctly, but is not definite as this is initial verification method online (PS it's available under the support section). The premiere3 did not show an IMEI so couldn't look it up.

The Telus site is currently down and the IMEI check is currently not available, I'll give it a shot tomorrow but probably looking at the same results.

As for trying inactive AU IC cards in the AU phones to unlock LISMO and other media, hasn't worked yet, but haven't had that much time to play around with them too much, but right now just getting 'function is not supported with this IC'

At least with what's happening lately it gives a little, tiny, very very chance that somehow we can possibly get some of these awesome phones to work on our networks.

Crossing fingers someone finds some kind of solution.

Posted by: edieboy777

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/SH-06A

You're welcome.

Posted by: IonNuke

Quote:

Originally Posted by neogenesis713

The search is over. No Japanese phone for me

Thanks for your help, anyway. I guess I am stuck with my cell for 2 more years.

God, that beer tastes so bitter....

If you went with the SH-07A, I think that phone has 850Mhz GSM as well. So your 1900/850 is guaranteed. I wonder where you were looking for your info

I end up with different info

Posted by: yangj08

What are you trying the premier3 for? It's CDMA only, and it relies on the IC card. Bell/Telus only do IC cards for their HSPA networks, obviously, so that's just going to be a really nice-looking Walkman if you manage to get a working IC paired with it. It'll register to the Bell CDMA network but only for emergency calls like any other unactivated phone (I think; old CDMA Global Passport phones did this, but do the new IC ones do that?).

(And the only 3G the G9 supports is CDMA, same issue as the Premier3)

Posted by: stevetam

the so905iCs will have that issue because it doesn't have 8503G. The Sh-06A will have no problems. Second of all how are your phone's IC unlocked???

Posted by: rx93nug

Just the G9 came IC unlock by request but still is basically locked as I tried using old inactive AU IC cards. As for the Premier I was hoping for a possible pair up with Bell/Telus with an inactive AU IC as I'm aware this is Global CDMA only, says right on it.
The G9 is Global passport but probably the same deal as the premier.

Hey it's worth a shot in the dark, I have the phones here, I might as well try, if I didn't then this forum would not exist as I'm sure everyone before me didn't just happen to fall upon known facts as we all learn along the way. If we all knew most of us wouldn't have to go through what we have been and it would take all the mystique away from having a K tai.
Now having said that if I was to somehow magically get one of these damn phones to work here in Canada with just a pairing of IC and dumb luck, I'd be a better man for it.
At any rate I think I've given up on the K tai too many things on the go and will wait for really nice software unlocked phone

Anyone wanna buy G9?

Steve any suggestions on nice SOFTWARE UNLOCK phone

SH06a

Posted by: rx93nug

Oh and if anyone knows where I can get a hypersim for SO905ics what will have txt messaging capability (I know I know some guy long time ago used to sell but not anymore) please let me know. Think I'm just settling after all this fustration

Posted by: aw614

Quote:

Originally Posted by rx93nug

Oh and if anyone knows where I can get a hypersim for SO905ics what will have txt messaging capability (I know I know some guy long time ago used to sell but not anymore) please let me know. Think I'm just settling after all this fustration

hmm might be worth it to try a mrsim on it, supposedly it fixes it

the hypersim256, I have no idea where to get those, I bundled mine with the so905ics i used to have, but thats the one that works with sms issues on tmo and rogers.

Posted by: rx93nug

Update! Got the G9 working with one of the inactive AU IC's so sweet, got LISMO player (it's in Japanese only) but soo sweet! None of my other AU phones were ever IC lock cleared so never even got to open LISMO... slowly slowly....
Now if I can get my friend at TELUS to just take the IMEI I'd be flying!

Posted by: Qhs

So the gist of this is you are using a keitai with an inactive AU USIM and you plan to get TELUS to enable the IMEI so you can make calls and SMS etc?

Posted by: rx93nug

Yes that's correct, allllmost there....

Posted by: Qhs

Hmm, don't you need more than the IMEI #? What about the IMSI and ICCID #s? Does the G9 actually see the networks? If it does, then maybe all you need to do is TELUS to green light the IMEI...

Posted by: fireshark

I am not familiar with CDMA carriers pretending to be HSPA ones, so a question: How do you authenticate to the Telus network on a au IC?

Posted by: rx93nug

See that's the confusing part, I assume you just need the IMEI # even if it's limited to no data packet or whatever, but G9 doesn't see any networks as it says it's out, it's set to Japan, when I set to AUTO, Manual, Overseas Auto, CDMA Auto or manual and lastly GSM Auto, it shows all bars then searching.
I think if I can somehow get it registered, that's somehow

it may just work.

Posted by: rx93nug

Telus and Bell are now true HSPA and the IC card is just to store names and unlock media functions for this phone anyway, (what I think anyway) right now it's just looking for network coverage via CDMA but will not work with GSM it will read IC not recognized.

Posted by: neogenesis713

Quote:

Originally Posted by rx93nug

Ok guys, here's a few twists to the BCE plot.

Anyways, I go to Bell and Telus site to verify if IMEI for my SO905ics, AU Premiere3 and iida G9, all 3 very different phones, one being a Docomo that works with Hypersim, other being Global passport CDMA and G9 being ic unlocked Global Passport phone...

For the Bell site, all three phones would not register as working correctly, but is not definite as this is initial verification method online (PS it's available under the support section). The premiere3 did not show an IMEI so couldn't look it up.

The Telus site is currently down and the IMEI check is currently not available, I'll give it a shot tomorrow but probably looking at the same results.

As for trying inactive AU IC cards in the AU phones to unlock LISMO and other media, hasn't worked yet, but haven't had that much time to play around with them too much, but right now just getting 'function is not supported with this IC'

At least with what's happening lately it gives a little, tiny, very very chance that somehow we can possibly get some of these awesome phones to work on our networks.

Crossing fingers someone finds some kind of solution.

TELUS website is down, so I made a personal call to TELUS tech to verify the IMEI for SH-06A. (353699020928877) It's not in the list, hence they will not guarantee anything even if the spec may be compatible with HSPA network.

Quote:

Originally Posted by IonNuke

If you went with the SH-07A, I think that phone has 850Mhz GSM as well. So your 1900/850 is guaranteed. I wonder where you were looking for your info

I end up with different info

It's possible that the spec for SH-06A and SH-07A is a bit different. I got the spec info for SH-06A from eBay advertisement. I checked out many advertisements, and all of them said the spec is as I have described previously.

Care to share your reference for SH-06A spec, if you'd be so kind?

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevetam

the so905iCs will have that issue because it doesn't have 8503G. The Sh-06A will have no problems. Second of all how are your phone's IC unlocked???

It is unlocked from Japan, and this seller does seem legit. I checked his ebay rating, and all customers who bought Japanese cell from him were satisfied. He did say Hypersim added in the package should allow the cell to work in Canada (Rogers/Fido), but he cannot guarantee me about TELUS since he doesn't know anything about it.

Posted by: IonNuke

SH-06A spec has GSM 900/1800/1900 by default. Since the early PRIME series they all come with 850Mhz UMTS for 3G. 2100Mhz UMTS will always be there since day 1 so that's just not mentioned.

SH-07A having GSM 850 was found @ doocmo's site in Japanese

Posted by: fireshark

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/SH-06A

Posted by: stevetam

Quote:

Originally Posted by neogenesis713

Not hte so905iCs, I know how that is unlocked. But the premeir3????

Posted by: rx93nug

Ummm guys you may wanna check this out

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gunittri

I'm sooo close to getting this to all piece together!

Posted by: neogenesis713

When importing the cell phone from Japan to Canada, I was informed that Canada has the right to evaluate weather the importing cell phone is taxable/other additional fees. Did anyone have to pay extra when importing your Japanese phone? Should I call them ahead of time and try to convince their customer support that the incoming cell is a "gift"? (I don't think I have to pay tariff for gift...) They will send it via EMS (Heard there are growing complaints ever since Canada Post's involvement... hopefully they won't charge me too much. I have to declare the phone's value, which is like over $500

PS: The shipping fee is covered... does that mean the supplier pays for all shipping fee or just the cost to get the package moving out of Japan? (Ex. supplier pay for the package delivery, and I have to pay for additional taxes/duties)

Posted by: rx93nug

Ok so no go on Rogers taking a my sim info to put to the IC, and Telus I will have to wait a few days to get a demo SIM and see if it will accept the Telus Sim as currently their network does not see the iida G9 properly as it reads (Motorola C350) and notes "This information is indicative only. You device’s compatibility with the TELUS HSPA network is based on the radio frequencies of your device. TELUS does not guarantee that your device will work on our mobile network."

So I'll update once I get the Telus demo sim to try and see if this will work as the Rogers sims just give me a IC locked message. The phone is IC unlocked as in AU IC but not carrier unlocked, LOL IMOA

Posted by: Qhs

Not sure how stringent Canada Customs are, but I have imported 2 items w/ >$1200 declared into the US and they didn't charge me any fees.

It is really hit or miss for custom fees.

Usually then the supplier says free shipping that means the cost of shipping the item to you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by neogenesis713

When importing the cell phone from Japan to Canada, I was informed that Canada has the right to evaluate weather the importing cell phone is taxable/other additional fees. Did anyone have to pay extra when importing your Japanese phone? Should I call them ahead of time and try to convince their customer support that the incoming cell is a "gift"? (I don't think I have to pay tariff for gift...) They will send it via EMS (Heard there are growing complaints ever since Canada Post's involvement... hopefully they won't charge me too much. I have to declare the phone's value, which is like over $500

Posted by: aw614

canadian customs are worse than US customs...

Posted by: neogenesis713

Another quick question. Are there places in Canada where I can get SH-06A cell unlocked? I found the same cell phone ($150 cheaper) but it is locked. Would it be smarter to buy locked one for cheaper price or settle with unlocked phone?

Posted by: IonNuke

Quote:

Originally Posted by neogenesis713

Another quick question. Are there places in Canada where I can get SH-06A cell unlocked? I found the same cell phone ($150 cheaper) but it is locked. Would it be smarter to buy locked one for cheaper price or settle with unlocked phone?

Essentially it would be smarter to get the SH-06A unlocked. Unfortunately that idea does not exist unless you're in Japan.

Either go with hypersims, or get a Docomo UIM and pay the rediculously high roaming fees or buy an NEC model that's software unlocked. Those are your only choices.

Posted by: zerox678

Dont screw with him nuke... neogenesis713 just buy the locked one for 150 less and get a hypersim from inonnuke.

Posted by: IonNuke

Using the phone without a hypersim is a possibility. You just kinda have to live in Japan for that to be even practical.

Posted by: neogenesis713

Quote:

Originally Posted by IonNuke

What's a difference between unlocked status and getting different sim card? I need to buy simcard from TELUS anyway (Hypersim is not accepted in TELUS network) so if I get the sim card changed... is that considered as unlocked? Or is it more complicated?

Quote:

Originally Posted by zerox678

Dont screw with him nuke... neogenesis713 just buy the locked one for 150 less and get a hypersim from inonnuke.

So you are saying that whether it is a unlocked or locked phone, it shouldn't matter if I get the simcard from TELUS anyway?

Posted by: zerox678

No I am saying the phone being unlocke or lock does not effect you being able to use telus or not. If you cant use telus with a keitai, you will not be able to use telus period. The so call unlocked SH-06A on ebay or whatever site your looking at only means that it comes with a hypersim, and your better off getting one from ionnuke.

Posted by: edieboy777

Someone needs to make a stickied thread that says, in big bold letters, 'there is no software unlock for newer phones'

Posted by: zerox678

there Are Software Unlocks For Newer Phones, I.e. N-09a

Posted by: edieboy777

Quote:

Originally Posted by zerox678

there Are Software Unlocks For Newer Phones, I.e. N-09a

Well, no software locks in the western sense where *everything* is unlocked, but that wouldn't fit in a thread title now would it =P

Posted by: hiallall

Quote:

Originally Posted by rx93nug

I just want to share an experience.

I sold iNEX to 2 customers who are using SO905ics months ago.
At that time, I check calling and SMS and they both having no problems.
So I didn't realise there is text problem with the phone.
Few weeks ago, one of them contact me for another issue and I ask for its version of iNEX, it is V2.7

I am not sure this version is OK for that phone, but just want to point out that it may help.

Posted by: stevetam

I think this thread is really frustrating......

not to go and criticize the work... but the OP hasn't done any research despite giving him info....

and second of all, I don't think I can drive this point any further. If you want to know if the SIMCARD + Hypersim combo will work on Telus, you'll have to be one of the first, if not the first person to try it in Canada. If you don't want to waste your time, move on, If you want to be a beta tester.. then go ahead....

Posted by: IonNuke

I'll test. Someone let my supervisor know that I'm going to be away from work for a few days.

And someone pay for my travel and lodging in Canada and I'll figure it out

Anyone?........................................... .................................................. ....didn't think so.

Posted by: zerox678

I'll let your supervisor know you'll be gone for a few day... but your on your own with the travel and lodging...lol

Posted by: IonNuke

Quote:

Originally Posted by zerox678

I'll let your supervisor know you'll be gone for a few day... but your on your own with the travel and lodging...lol

Only a deal if someone pays.

I can use my sick days lol. I think I still got a few of them hahhahahah (Yeah I've thought about lining them up and using them all at once).

Posted by: neogenesis713

Quote:

Originally Posted by zerox678

No I am saying the phone being unlocke or lock does not effect you being able to use telus or not. If you cant use telus with a keitai, you will not be able to use telus period. The so call unlocked SH-06A on ebay or whatever site your looking at only means that it comes with a hypersim, and your better off getting one from ionnuke.

So, let me get this straight. Hypersim will be useless if I have to get sim card from TELUS/Rogers anyway, if they say I have to use their simcard? (Hypersim, unlike TELUS, works automatically with Rogers/Fido because they use same/similar simcard.

Locked phone + hypersim or other appropriate simcard = unlocked phone?

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevetam

I think this thread is really frustrating......

not to go and criticize the work... but the OP hasn't done any research despite giving him info....

and second of all, I don't think I can drive this point any further. If you want to know if the SIMCARD + Hypersim combo will work on Telus, you'll have to be one of the first, if not the first person to try it in Canada. If you don't want to waste your time, move on, If you want to be a beta tester.. then go ahead....

I just wanted to know the difference between unlocked cell and locked cell with hypersim. I was originally going for unlocked phone because that was the only option I had in ebay... until a same phone over $150 cheaper was released. The only downside is that this one is locked. So I wanted to know if unlocking simply means getting a hypersim. (Hypersim cost between $30-50, so I can save $100 that way. I think that is worth a fuss.

I get your idea though. I think there is a high chance that I will give an attempt. Otherwise, I will use it as camera/music/video player until my contract ends.

Posted by: xplicitpin0i

Telus/Rogers/Fido/Bell all use the same technology now and for simcards as well what the other guys are trying to say is that you'd have better luck with Rogers/Fido since they have older simcards available (not ones you get directly from them anymore) that are more stable with hypersims. The newer simcards that all the carriers carry are 3G simcards or usims, few hypersims will work with this plus its a known fact that hypersims aren't the greatest to use in 3G mode because of instability like being unable to receive incoming calls and texts. Because Telus/Bell does not have a GSM fall-back network like Rogers/Fido does you risk having these issues.

Also the SH-06a's advertised as unlocked are still unlocked via hypersim if you read the listings description closely, there is no such thing as a software unlocked Sh-06a or any other Japanese manufacturer other than NEC. The cheaper listing simply doesn't include a hypersim.

Posted by: neogenesis713

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Originally Posted by xplicitpin0i

Telus/Rogers/Fido/Bell all use the same technology now and for simcards as well what the other guys are trying to say is that you'd have better luck with Rogers/Fido since they have older simcards available (not ones you get directly from them anymore) that are more stable with hypersims. The newer simcards that all the carriers carry are 3G simcards or usims, few hypersims will work with this plus its a known fact that hypersims aren't the greatest to use in 3G mode because of instability like being unable to receive incoming calls and texts. Because Telus/Bell does not have a GSM fall-back network like Rogers/Fido does you risk having these issues.

Also the SH-06a's advertised as unlocked are still unlocked via hypersim if you read the listings description closely, there is no such thing as a software unlocked Sh-06a or any other Japanese manufacturer other than NEC. The cheaper listing simply doesn't include a hypersim.

Exactly the info I can read and understand.

I know what I should do now. Thanks for much. Like I said, this is my first time buying any cell (let alone international cell) and I needed to know as much as I can before making this decision. (I am about to spend over $300 on this, so I better be sure of my decision). Thanks a lot, and I will try not to bother you guys.

Posted by: IonNuke

Usually I go with the "learn the hard way" method. You'll learn and get answers right away.

Posted by: stevetam

the telus IMEI site won't help you though... technicall ythe phone should register under the network..

Now getting the simcard to be stable on the new network is a whole different challenge

Posted by: aw614

yeah someone should pay us to test it out lol

Posted by: IonNuke

I'd test it out but I don't see the point in dropping resources and funding to test this thing out.

Unless yeah I agree with aw... unless I was funded other wise I see no purpose. If you can't get it work on Telus... then use another carrier.

Posted by: yamanote

Especially since Robbers Wireless is pretty stable on 3G... why bother?

Posted by: KILLvino

any news? anyone try it?. im on bell and its essentially the same network telus is on. heard it wont work cause the new network is only hsdpa (3g+) theres no 2g or gsm. and its only on bands 850 and 1900. i couldnt even use any normal quadband gsm phones i had. might just go to pmall and ask if they'll let me try putting my sim in their keitas and see if any work. i read somewhere the inex in a SH-01B is 3G unlocked?...

Posted by: edieboy777

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Originally Posted by KILLvino

any news? anyone try it?. im on bell and its essentially the same network telus is on. heard it wont work cause the new network is only hsdpa (3g+) theres no 2g or gsm. and its only on bands 850 and 1900. i couldnt even use any normal quadband gsm phones i had. might just go to pmall and ask if they'll let me try putting my sim in their keitas and see if any work. i read somewhere the inex in a SH-01B is 3G unlocked?...

Yeah the flagship phones from Docomo/Softbank generally have NA 3G bands built in now and work fine on rogers, but yeah it's not really tested on Bell/Telus. The problem is getting a dealer who's willing to let you cut up a sim card for the hypersim lol.

Posted by: KILLvino

oh, im with bell so it would be my own sim. i meant a dealer of keitas to try in theirs.

Posted by: KILLvino

and also, what phones other than the sh-01b have NA 3g bands? its really hard to find good specs on keitas...

Posted by: IonNuke

WikiJapan will have the specs.

And if you can't read japanese, then google translate it.

Posted by: KILLvino

oh thanks alot. teach a guy to fish right?

Posted by: KILLvino

wait. not sure if im getting this right. so do we need both 850 and 1900 for it to work? cause the f-01a on japwiki has （3G：800MHz、850MHz、1.7GHz、2GHz）there is 850 so technically that would also work?

Posted by: IonNuke

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Originally Posted by KILLvino

wait. not sure if im getting this right. so do we need both 850 and 1900 for it to work? cause the f-01a on japwiki has （3G：800MHz、850MHz、1.7GHz、2GHz）there is 850 so technically that would also work?

If your carrier has 850Mhz UMTS 3G then if the phone has 850Mhz it works.

for example.... my N-02A on AT&T using 3G

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3Jci4lg6bI

another example... my F-01A connected to AT&T US using 850Mhz UMTS for 3G

See it works

As long as the phone has the frequency bands corresponding to what the network is asking for you can get it to work.

Posted by: KILLvino

update: havent gotten to try myself, but heard from alot of trustable sources that keitas are not, yes ARE NOT, even with the new inex. working on bell/telus hsdpa network.

Posted by: stevetam

they will need devs in canada for it to work. The only keitai that should technically work on telus/bell is the N-01A or any SW unlocked NEC models

Posted by: aw614

and if you can get away with just 850 3g and not have the 1900 part.

of course that depends on the area.