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Posted by: vermontcellboy

America's Choice:
"Extended Network" "Flashing R or ROaming Indicator"
All pricing is the same, this may be either Analog or Digital...and your plan minutes and night and weekend minutes apply..."In" does not apply.
Please update your PRLs (*228 option 2) frequently to keep this working.
Local DigitalChoice and National Single Rate:
Any signal you pick up within the plan map that does not prompt you for a credit card is no roaming fees. "IN" does not apply off of the Verizon Network... If "IN" is even on the LDC and NSR plans.
Credit Card Prompts Usually Charge $1-6 a minute..so only use them in an emergency.
Thanks, and since this is primarily intended for newbies, Welcome to HoFo!
-vermontcellboy.

Posted by: id4rox

I never worried about roaming in the 10 months I've had verizon so far, I've never been 'out in the boonies'. I've always been in cities > 40,000 people with towers or on major interstates inbetween big cities. I don't think I've ever incurred roaming charges even when traveling the entire east coast from NY to FL and all around inbetween.

I am moving to hawaii in under a month where I will likely be 'in the middle of nowhere' every now and then when I am on an excusrion out of my home in honolulu. I'm confused how I know when I am roaming or not. When the Verizon Wireless banner on my phone changes to Extended Network, I am on a tower of verizon's partner, but still not roamingi correct? Am I only roaming when it doesnt say Verizon Wireless or Extended network, and I see the green triangle? Is that triangle my indicator I am roaming and to keep calls to a minimum?

Posted by: scottb

If the triangle is flashing, you're not charged for roaming. If the triangle is solid, you are charged for roaming.

Posted by: drewm

Quote:

Originally posted by id4rox
I never worried about roaming in the 10 months I've had verizon so far, I've never been 'out in the boonies'. I've always been in cities > 40,000 people with towers or on major interstates inbetween big cities. I don't think I've ever incurred roaming charges even when traveling the entire east coast from NY to FL and all around inbetween.

I am moving to hawaii in under a month where I will likely be 'in the middle of nowhere' every now and then when I am on an excusrion out of my home in honolulu. I'm confused how I know when I am roaming or not. When the Verizon Wireless banner on my phone changes to Extended Network, I am on a tower of verizon's partner, but still not roamingi correct? Am I only roaming when it doesnt say Verizon Wireless or Extended network, and I see the green triangle? Is that triangle my indicator I am roaming and to keep calls to a minimum?

I've been all over the island of Oahu and have never seen roaming or even extended network. The only place I didn't go was all the way out west, but I'm pretty sure its natively covered out there too.

Posted by: ziggy3055

I think they need to come out with a less complicated way to tell you when you will get charged on roam or when its free on extended network. i know there's like roam ringers and stuff but like a message before you place a call when on roam or something would be easier. although there is an indicator that shows the difference between the two i've gotten so many questions on what it means.

Posted by: vermontcellboy

Every couple of days a n00b wonders about Extended Network. You can't blame 'em, it's confusing.
Small Correction, IN-Network will **Probably** apply if you are on Alltel.
-Mr. X

Posted by: Eagle5469

Quote:

Originally posted by scottb
If the triangle is flashing, you're not charged for roaming. If the triangle is solid, you are charged for roaming.

My triangle is flashing and I am getting charged for roaming...is this wrong?

Nate

Posted by: thehazmat

Hmm, call them up and ask.

I hope they're not like "We are charging it using the regular minute rates and not the roaming minute rates".

Posted by: Keri1983

Hi!
I understand how the billing works but how exactly does it technically work with roaming and extended network and such.
This is what my understanding of this is, please correct me if I'm wrong.
On Americas Choice, you are on Extended Network when you are using the tower of a partner of Verizon.
You are Roaming when you are on someone elses network? Like Sprint or something?

Or on a local choice plan, are you roaming when you aren't in your home area? Or when you are using another tower?

Thanks!
~Keri

Posted by: vermontcellboy

"Hi!
I understand how the billing works but how exactly does it technically work with roaming and extended network and such.
This is what my understanding of this is, please correct me if I'm wrong.
On Americas Choice, you are on Extended Network when you are using the tower of a partner of Verizon.
You are Roaming when you are on someone elses network? Like Sprint or something?

Or on a local choice plan, are you roaming when you aren't in your home area? Or when you are using another tower?

Thanks!
~Keri"
Extended Network is when you are on most roaming towers, like Alltel, Sprint in some areas, US Cellular, RCC Wireless/Unicel, Cellular One/Dobson, etc. etc. etc.
Full Roaming is when the company doesn't have a good agreement with Verizon, an example is Ramcell/Litchfield County Cellular or some small Analog-only carriers.... most roaming is Extended Ntwk with America's Choice though.
Local Choice. You are roaming when you are away from your home area. If you hit say Alltel's towers, but you are still in your local area, I believe that doesn't count as roaming (back me up on this..I'm not sure)..
-Mr. X

Posted by: ilvla2

""Extended Network" "Flashing R or ROaming Indicator"
All pricing is the same, this may be either Analog or Digital...and your plan minutes and night and weekend minutes apply..."In" does not apply"

On Extended Network, "IN" does apply now.

Posted by: vermontcellboy

Thanks for the update, I almost forgot about this thread!
If it says Extended Network and there is no triangle (you will have to *228 SEND, and I think only like one Extended Network SID does not have IN network) you will get your IN network, as ivla put it

-Mr. X

Posted by: is_that_clear

A succint breakdown of how Verizon Wireless determines rates:

Verizon Wireless (No Triangle)-Normal rates as per calling plan

Extended Network (No Triangle)-Normal rates as per calling plan

Extended Network (Flashing Triangle)-Normal rates as per plan with the exception of mobile-to-mobile minutes

Roaming (Solid Triangle/No Payment Prompt)-Roaming Rate as per calling plan (usually 69 cents per minute AND 45 addition minute fee=1.14 per minute.)

Roaming (Solid Triangle/Payment Prompt)-Cellular phone bill is not charged. You are prompted to either bill the call to your credit card or to the party you are calling. Charges determined by carrier providing roaming service.

9-1-1 Emergency (Verizon/Extended Network/Roaming)-Always a free call without any prompts or interruptions by law. Calls goes to the nearest 9-1-1 Emergency Call Center from the tower that handles the call.
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Calls to 4-1-1 may be made while off the Verizon Wireless network. Charges and availability are determined by the carrier which carries the call. Charges are not determined by Verizon and may be higher, lower, or the same as Verizon charges.

Posted by: JMo

I live in Metro Detroit, and have on several occasions travelled all the way up north in Michigan. The area I travel to is covered on the Local DigitalChoice map (some is under extended digital), but I STILL receive 2 indicators:

1. Triangle is solid
2. Call shows up as roaming in my call history/timed calls

There's a wrinkle here: when I receive my bill I never get charged for a roaming call. Now I'm not complaining at all, but I haven't found a very accurate resource for a roaming explanation. The explanation here is very clear, but not accurate for my experience. I have an all digital handset (VX 4500). Is this just an antiquated phone?

Please advise if you can and have a good 'un.

J Mo

Posted by: ziggy3055

Quote:

Originally posted by is_that_clear
Roaming (Solid Triangle/No Payment Prompt)-Roaming Rate as per calling plan (usually 69 cents per minute AND 45 addition minute fee=1.14 per minute.)

correct me if i'm wrong but to clarify... the 45 cent addition your talking about is long distance charge.

Posted by: Alex Romanovsky

Quote:

Originally posted by JMo
1. Triangle is solid
There's a wrinkle here: when I receive my bill I never get charged for a roaming call.

Call *228 and press 2 to update your PRL

And on my North America Choice I can see flashing roaming only in Canada, I never saw it on interstates in 40 states

Posted by: J Peezy

i just got my phone about 2 weeks ago so sorry for not knowing this stuff. Im wondering what calling *228 does, what does update your prl mean? Since my phone is pretty new, i dont have to do this do i?

My questions about roaming are i go to school in lynchburg va, which has no verizon coverage. I was told they bought a tower but its not operational yet. I live in roanoke which is an hour away. They have perfect service there. Anyway, while in lynchburg i have extended network. I dont see any triangles or anything. IT just says roam and extended network when i make acall. Im wondering why i am able to receive text messages but not pix or flix messages. Get it now and mobile web do not work either. I have to have verizon wireless coverage to get pix or flix, is this true? It tries to receive the message, and tells me the size but does not download the content. Does updateing the phone change this or do i need to hope they add coverage to lynchburg?

Posted by: is_that_clear

Quote:

Originally Posted by J Peezy

i just got my phone about 2 weeks ago so sorry for not knowing this stuff. Im wondering what calling *228 does, what does update your prl mean? Since my phone is pretty new, i dont have to do this do i?

My questions about roaming are i go to school in lynchburg va, which has no verizon coverage. I was told they bought a tower but its not operational yet. I live in roanoke which is an hour away. They have perfect service there. Anyway, while in lynchburg i have extended network. I dont see any triangles or anything. IT just says roam and extended network when i make acall. Im wondering why i am able to receive text messages but not pix or flix messages. Get it now and mobile web do not work either. I have to have verizon wireless coverage to get pix or flix, is this true? It tries to receive the message, and tells me the size but does not download the content. Does updateing the phone change this or do i need to hope they add coverage to lynchburg?

A PRL is a file that tells your phone which cellular systems and towers to use. Verizon changes this list periodically and you need to download the new list on your phone by dialing *228 [SEND], then select option 2 when prompted to.

Starting in September, the flashing triangle was eliminated for all extended network areas except for areas where IN-Network calling does not apply. As for no triangle while you are roaming, your phone might not be equipped with an ERI (Enhanced Roaming Indicator) which displays the triange while you are roaming.

I can assume that you are using US Cellular's network in Lynchburg. USCC does not accept data calls from non-USCC customers. Text messaging usually works on any digital carrier. PIX and FLIX messaging ONLY works on the Verizon Wireless network.

Posted by: ydvzw

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMo

I live in Metro Detroit, and have on several occasions travelled all the way up north in Michigan. The area I travel to is covered on the Local DigitalChoice map (some is under extended digital), but I STILL receive 2 indicators:

1. Triangle is solid
2. Call shows up as roaming in my call history/timed calls

There's a wrinkle here: when I receive my bill I never get charged for a roaming call. Now I'm not complaining at all, but I haven't found a very accurate resource for a roaming explanation. The explanation here is very clear, but not accurate for my experience. I have an all digital handset (VX 4500). Is this just an antiquated phone?

Please advise if you can and have a good 'un.

J Mo

If the triangle is solid, you should be charged roaming. It is possible that you have an older PRL that displays this market as roam, when in fact it has been updated in the pricing plan to be included. If your PRL is current, and you are not charged roaming while in this market with a solid indicator, let vzw know so that they can charge you appropriately.

Posted by: ydvzw

non-ERI phones & PRLs:

No triangle - Home/Extended Network area, IN-calling applies
Flashing triangle - Extended Network, IN-calling does NOT apply
Solid triangle - Roaming

ERI phones & PRLs:

"Verizon Wireless" banner, no triangle - Home area, IN-calling applies
"Extended Network" banner, no triangle - Extended Network, IN-calling applies
"Extended Network" banner, flashing triangle - Extended Network, IN-calling does NOT apply
"Roaming" banner, solid triangle - Roaming

Posted by: varaonaid

Just FWIW, I upgraded my phone today via New Every Two and the CS rep at the Verizon Wireless company store told me that they have done away with roaming in the US on the America's Choice plan. I asked her to clarify and she said that I would never be charged roaming anywhere in the US - if I could make a call it would be included in my plan (I didn't ask about IN calling). She did say that Canadian roaming still applied (at the rate of $.99/min - beware if you call a Canadian number while in Canada romaing you will be charged the $.99/min Canadian long distance fee as well for a $1.98/min call charge (ouch!)).

I'd love to hear if anyone else has heard this as well. I hate to say that I often get differing info from VZW reps so confirmation is always appreciated!

Posted by: is_that_clear

Done away with roaming? That's total BS!!! What s/he should have told you that ACII has roaming charges included with ACII. Phones with ACII PRLs cannot roam onto systems that are in listed in the PRL. Roaming is still available, but only on preferred systems. Some users have edited their PRLs to allow unrestricted roaming access.

Take it Easy,
Arch

Posted by: Pete_L_P

Quote:

Originally Posted by is_that_clear

Done away with roaming? That's total BS!!! What s/he should have told you that ACII has roaming charges included with ACII. Phones with ACII PRLs cannot roam onto systems that are in listed in the PRL. Roaming is still available, but only on preferred systems. Some users have edited their PRLs to allow unrestricted roaming access.

Take it Easy,
Arch

I just switched from sprint to verizon with a new i730 and an america choice plan. I noticed that there areas that have no verizon coverage (but have excellent sprint coverage) and yet, in these areas, I can not roam to sprint and can not make or receive any calls.

I complained to a verizon service manager about this, and he said that the america choice plan offers roaming only with partners that have special highly discounted verizon roaming agreements. I was told that:

1) sprint does NOT have any such discount agreements with verizon.
2) I will have NO roaming other than with the special discount partners
3) there are NO plans available that will both offer data on an EVDO phone (this is more than just VCast) and will provide simple voice roaming with any providers other than special discount roaming partners.

Is this consistent with what others have heard and are there any suggestions for getting more roaming availability? My inability to make or receive calls in certain areas is a real problem for me.

Pete

Posted by: is_that_clear

Verizon has many roaming agreements with Sprint PCS. However, these agreements are not nationwide and only available in some areas where Verizon has sub par or no service at all.

Take it Easy,
Arch

Posted by: Pete_L_P

Quote:

Originally Posted by is_that_clear

Verizon has many roaming agreements with Sprint PCS. However, these agreements are not nationwide and only available in some areas where Verizon has sub par or no service at all.

Take it Easy,
Arch

According to the verizon manager I spoke with, that's absolutely true. However, (also according to him), NONE of them are sufficiently discounted to be included in the new America choice plan.

Pete

Posted by: Ryan in East ID

Sprint is in the PRL here in East ID/Northern UT. It just depends on the area.

Posted by: 21st Hermit

Quote:

Originally Posted by varaonaid

the CS rep at the Verizon Wireless company store told me that they have done away with roaming in the US on the America's Choice plan. I asked her to clarify and she said that I would never be charged roaming anywhere in the US - if I could make a call it would be included in my plan

The KEY to this statement was "if I could make a call" no roaming. Because the whole roaming issue is such a CRS pain for Verizon or expensive, VZW has dropped vast amounts of coverage and thereby eliminated roaming.

This Coverage Map will explain. Insert your Zip, and click between National Single Rate [the most coverage] and Americas Choice after 2-21-05 [the least coverage]. You won't be charged roaming because your phone won't work is vast areas.

Pretty clever Verizon!!!

Hermit

Posted by: bsu4phd

Quote:

Originally Posted by is_that_clear

A succint breakdown of how Verizon Wireless determines rates:

Verizon Wireless (No Triangle)-Normal rates as per calling plan

Extended Network (No Triangle)-Normal rates as per calling plan

Extended Network (Flashing Triangle)-Normal rates as per plan with the exception of mobile-to-mobile minutes

Roaming (Solid Triangle/No Payment Prompt)-Roaming Rate as per calling plan (usually 69 cents per minute AND 45 addition minute fee=1.14 per minute.)

Roaming (Solid Triangle/Payment Prompt)-Cellular phone bill is not charged. You are prompted to either bill the call to your credit card or to the party you are calling. Charges determined by carrier providing roaming service.

Thanks for the nice setup.

I'm trying to learn about the codes in the ERI file...

I have found that

So tag 69 = Roaming indicator with solid triangle

What about tags 68, 67, etc.?

I hope this is the right thread...

Thanks all!

Posted by: iNaNimAtE

Interestingly, to be exact, I also asked a Verizon representative straight up:
"So for every single foot throughout the US, regardless of what my phone says (including "Roaming" with a solid triangle), I will be charged the exact same rate?"
He said "yes." I guess their tactic according to 21st Hermit was to remove loads of coverage...

Posted by: jtludwig

Quote:

Originally Posted by iNaNimAtE

Interestingly, to be exact, I also asked a Verizon representative straight up:
"So for every single foot throughout the US, regardless of what my phone says (including "Roaming" with a solid triangle), I will be charged the exact same rate?"
He said "yes." I guess their tactic according to 21st Hermit was to remove loads of coverage...

Keep in mind that all the carriers, such as Cingular, also limit off-network roaming to preferred partners too!

My solution to this with Verizon was to edit the PRL in my phone to allow me to roam onto any network I want.

Posted by: 21st Hermit

Quote:

Originally Posted by jtludwig

My solution to this with Verizon was to edit the PRL in my phone to allow me to roam onto any network I want.

Very interesting statement!!!

Is the PRL a simple text file? Where do you find the "codes"?

So let's assume you're on ACII, and you roam in an otherwise "dead" zone on a non-approved roaming partner. What does that call look like on your bill? What does that call look like on your phone?

Hermit

Posted by: gold-coast

I have an old NSR plan that still has free weekends. I pay $100 for 900 minutes.

Whenever I've upgraded they've let me keep the plan, but I'm torn when it comes to switching to an America's Choice plan (the same number of minutes would be $40 cheaper and I'd get free nights + IN).

Does anybody have an opinion? Is the free weekends on an NSR plan too good to give up? Will I have coverage or roaming issues on ACII?

Thanks,
Darren

Posted by: phillyfan66

prl comes over the phone and I have no idea what kind of file it is.

Posted by: meballard

Quote:

Originally Posted by gold-coast

I have an old NSR plan that still has free weekends. I pay $100 for 900 minutes.

Whenever I've upgraded they've let me keep the plan, but I'm torn when it comes to switching to an America's Choice plan (the same number of minutes would be $40 cheaper and I'd get free nights + IN).

Does anybody have an opinion? Is the free weekends on an NSR plan too good to give up? Will I have coverage or roaming issues on ACII?

That really depends on where you go and use the phone. If you use it mostly in reasonably populated areas, then ACII will probably do just fine for you (and be cheaper). If you spend most of your time in sparsely populated areas, then NSR may be better.

Posted by: brad15

man, they really need to come back with the NSR plans, i had a plan like that with AT&T on my TDMA line a few years ago, and it was awesome.. mind you that i was on a CDMA carrier's AMPS network alot of times, but it was great to not to have to worry about it, and have my phone work everywhere..

Posted by: stevoXkinevo

sorry to simplify the discussion, but i'm traveling to montreal in a couple of weeks. what can i expect coverage and service-wise? text messages? calling rates?

Posted by: buckspaul

Quote:

My solution to this with Verizon was to edit the PRL in my phone to allow me to roam onto any network I want.

any suggestion on how to edit the prl list to enable my phone to roam unto any network that verizon block from ACII?

Posted by: dave73

The last time I went up to SW Michigan, roaming on Alltel, my Samsung a650 showed both the flashing triangle & the extended network banner. I will have to see what my Samsung a930 will show up there in areas where VZW has yet to add coverage. I know around Benton Harbor & New Buffalo, I will pickup VZW's PCS towers over Alltel's cellular tower since that area was built out last year. I wonder how many more areas VZW has PCS licenses for SW Michigan that need to be built out. They primarily focused on the I-94 corridor when building out the network in areas that Cricket didn't have towers outside of Kalamazoo & Battle Creek.

Posted by: plnelson

Quote:

Originally Posted by iNaNimAtE

My wife and I have the America's Choice Family Plan and that's what they told us, too. They said no roaming charges anywhere, and I specifically asked them if that meant that there weren't any areas that we WOULD have been able to make a phone call with roaming charges that now we can't, and they said no. They said that anywhere there's a signal I can make a phone call. Did they lie?

Y'know when I call them there's often a little message saying something like "for quality control purposes this call may be recorded". I'm gonna start using that message MYSELF, recording their answers, and playing them back to them if I find out they're lying to us!

Posted by: MikieCGY

What about data Roaming? when I have a Motorola Q.. and visit Alberta.. will i roam onto EVDO Telus at all?

and how much will it cost me?

im actually calgarian but thinking of getting a Data Device STRICKLY for data.. i beleive its gunna be cheaper than getting a canadian data plan in the long run..

Posted by: Vatothe0

Data roaming in canda is $0.002/kb. Don't know if you'll get evdo though..

Posted by: ofelas

Was interested in knowing whether Verizon is the only one that offers Canada roaming plans for voice and/or data...anyone with first hand experience chime in? Thx all...

Posted by: Vatothe0

As a general update, EVDO roaming in Canada should work now. It will work soon within the US once A12 Authentication gets implemented as well.

Posted by: tlarseth

As far as the Roaming indecator (sp?), you will have to check your phone manual as it is different for each phone, some will say ROAMING in the center of the screen, some will change the tower looking symbol by the signal strength bars to just a large triangle.

Best ways to beat roaming is to do *228 Option 2 every 30-60 days, and to change your phone settings to be home only instead of automatic.

Posted by: ofelas

No EVDO roaming in the Montreal area on a Verizon BlackBerry yet...just 1X.

Posted by: jtludwig

It depends what kind of phone you have...Motorola's are the easiest to use. If you have a Nokia or some other brand try QPST...it should probably do the trick for you.

I edited the PRL on my Motorola and now I have coverage up in the Colorado MTN's on Alltel/Western Wireless (which is not in the ACII PRL) and I am not charged extra for it.

--Jason

Quote:

Originally Posted by buckspaul

any suggestion on how to edit the prl list to enable my phone to roam unto any network that verizon block from ACII?

Posted by: tlarseth

Isn't Alltel a VZW Roaming partner or was it they use VZW towers? I know some other companies utilize VZW towers like Pageplus, thought Alltel did too, but I could be wrong.

Posted by: frail

Alltel allows roaming on Verizon's network in addition to having their own network.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alltel

Posted by: evdoman

any updates on evdo roaming in Canada? i am in Calgary still access denied message but 1x works

Posted by: ofelas

I get 1X on my Verizon BlackBerry while in Montreal, but no EVDO yet as Verizon & Telus don't have an EVDO roaming agreement yet that I know of.

Posted by: tlarseth

Alltel is a VZW roaming partner as in they have an agreement to use each others towers, but there is some compatiblility issues with Alltel towers, as in PRL is a hit or miss on if it works, and ESN changes and new activations won't go through while roaming on an Alltel tower.

Posted by: weth

In early July I will be traveling beautiful British Columbia, mainly Vancouver and Whistler and points between driving up from Seattle. I searched the forums and read this thread, but wanted to confirm current rates since some of the things mentioned in this thread are old.

I have a Treo 700wx in ACII with unlimited data plan added ($44.99). Whatever I do, I don't want to give Verizon a reason to extend my contract!

If I just travel without changing anything I know I will get roaming on voice of $0.69/min
Is there any Canada Roaming add on that can reduce the per minute charge?

My biggest concern is data. As everyone knows, the Windows Mobile loves to connect to the Internet and suck down kilobytes. On my unlimited plan, this is great. It could get expensive in Canada. Questions:
Will data work when I am in Canada once I cross the border - From my reading it sounds like yes and it is now EVDO, but please confirm.

What rate will I be charged? I have seen $0.015/KB down to 0.002/KB. Which is right? Both of these worry me since I don't want to go disabling my Internet access and then screw up my access once I go back south across the border. Is it possible to add the International Data plan I have heard about ($66 or so??) for a month and then go back to the $44.99 domestic data without extending contract?

How much is Text messaging in Canada to another US number also in Canada, and also to a US number in the US while I am in Candada?

Sorry for the length, and thank you.

Posted by: ofelas

Not sure if Verizon has a $3.99 a month reduced 59c a minute plan like AT&T for Canada Roaming, as they have comprehensive NAC plans instead.
Data roaming in Canada is $0.002; 75 to 100 plain text emails a day will set you back about $1 a day, so don't know if it's worth you switching to Global Data unless you browse the web heavily & download a lot of attachments via email.
Your text messaging in all the scenarios you describe will come out of your monthly messaging plan, and every additional message is 10c each, so no difference there.

Posted by: wwwbrookJr

In Feb 2008 reportedly the FCC ceased to require wireless telephone service providers to provide analog service. On its website the Verizon Coverage Map of USA shows mainly digital, but some areas analog. For driving through remote areas of Idaho-Montana-North Dakota-Ontario, is there advantage in having a dual-mode telephone (digital and analog)?

Posted by: C DM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwwbrookJr

In Feb 2008 reportedly the FCC ceased to require wireless telephone service providers to provide analog service. On its website the Verizon Coverage Map of USA shows mainly digital, but some areas analog. For driving through remote areas of Idaho-Montana-North Dakota-Ontario, is there advantage in having a dual-mode telephone (digital and analog)?

You are probably referring to tri-mode since those are the only ones that actually support analog. However, I wouldn't count on much analog coverage really since at this point it's been turned off or will be turned off anywhere possible basically.

Posted by: hwertz

Quote:

Originally Posted by wwwbrookJr

I'd say "no". There used to be a few areas (in Texas mainly.. now they are "no service" due to analog shutdown) where there were significant analog areas (the phone providers were GSM with legacy analog.. the analog's off now). But, the coverage in Idaho, Montana, and ND that shows little pockets of analog appears to be essentially "extra" analog.. Alltel in particular seems to guesstimate that analog goes quite a bit further than 1X. I had a Samsung A650, and based on my experience in Wisconsin, it doesn't.. the few places the phone went analog, I'd have most calls fail, and the ones that went through just gave me a burst of static then dropped. I'd get a car antenna for the phone personally, that'd probably fill in virtually all the analog AND no service gaps on the map.

Posted by: brad15

Quote:

Originally Posted by hwertz

The A650 had awful analog service, i still have one on the Verizon account and, i personally think the signal was not that great on that model period. It will sit in the house on the table, and consistantly go in and out of service while all the other phones have full signal, and getting ~-72dBm.. there were three on the account at one time and i just had to dump them, the battery and signal were not good at all.

Posted by: t1mi3

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What's the latest with Verizon data roaming in Alaska?

I have a 755p and would like to use data in Alaska, EVDO would be nice but I can live with 1xRTT.

Posted by: jtludwig

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Originally Posted by t1mi3

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What's the latest with Verizon data roaming in Alaska?

I have a 755p and would like to use data in Alaska, EVDO would be nice but I can live with 1xRTT.

Verizon now offers data roaming on ACS in Alaska! Just make sure you have the latest PRL!

Posted by: thedoque

alrighty! i'm not a noob, but i just switched to verizon from alltel.

do i get to roam for free on alltel or do i get charged? i live in northwest ohio.
haha this is soo confusing, but i definitely know that when i roam, it's alltel.

thanks!

Posted by: johndeere

Quote:

Originally Posted by thedoque

alrighty! i'm not a noob, but i just switched to verizon from alltel.

do i get to roam for free on alltel or do i get charged? i live in northwest ohio.
haha this is soo confusing, but i definitely know that when i roam, it's alltel.

thanks!

If your phone lets you lock onto the tower then you can use it. The only time you will be charged for roaming is when traveling internationally and your phone will display the roaming triangle and say roam on the display. Hope that helps!

Posted by: ParthG

Roaming is free.

EDIT: Domestic anyway.

Posted by: thedoque

alrighty, thanks for clearing that up guys!

Posted by: travelplus

As for roaming I think it would be good if Verizon added a message on the screen saying you are about to place a call outside of our network and will be charged roaming fees and minutes for the cal. Do you want to go ahead with this call? Yes or No. You can then press the corresponding softkeys. It is very easy to do with the software. Or when you enter a roaming area the message could say"Now entering Roaming Area all charges and minute usage apply". Then you can say OK. When you leave the area it would say Verizon Wireless etc.

Posted by: C DM

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Originally Posted by travelplus

As for roaming I think it would be good if Verizon added a message on the screen saying you are about to place a call outside of our network and will be charged roaming fees and minutes for the cal. Do you want to go ahead with this call? Yes or No. You can then press the corresponding softkeys. It is very easy to do with the software. Or when you enter a roaming area the message could say"Now entering Roaming Area all charges and minute usage apply". Then you can say OK. When you leave the area it would say Verizon Wireless etc.

Doesn't it do it already? There are ERI indicators that would display "Verizon Wireless" when you are on VZW's network, and something like "Extended Network" or something similar to it outside of VZW's network. Plus there are generally roaming indicator icons like a triangle.

Posted by: brad15

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Originally Posted by C DM

That would mean that people would actually have to read their phone's screen ha ha

seriously, all of the indicators are there, but being human we overlook them.

I have even done it up in Niagara Falls, but i did not complain, i just paid the bill

Posted by: tlarseth

Also, if you set your location to home only instead of automatic A or B, it will not allow you to roam, thus not charging you the roaming fees. I have my phone setup that way, I would rather have a dropped call due to signal fade, than be charged roaming.