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signal loss thru coax to yagi antenna???
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Posted by: coyotefred

Hello!

I'm trying to improve the reception of my cellphone (LG LX5450) on the alltel network in northwest Nebraska to a remote cabin. Within the cabin itself I can only get weak analog reception with frequent call drops. 'Hike up a nearby hill about 200 feet from the cabin, however, and I can a very strong digital signal.

On those days I don't want to hike the hill

, I'd like to improve reception within the cabin. I'm planning on buying one of those yagi antennas, which I've read good things about. First question is size/cost. A 20" yagi (12db gain) runs about $70. Other available sizes include 40" (24db) for $100 and 60" (36db) for $130. I'd prefer to have the smallest antenna possible since they aren't the most attractive things in the world to have sticking off your cabin. But I guess under the circumstances it would probably make sense to just spend the extra $60 since it's better to have more gain even though you might not need it.

In any case, the more important question is location. I have no idea whether a yagi mounted on the cabin roof would be good enough. When I stand up there (on the roof) with the phone now I get a slightly improved signal compared to inside the cabin, but still not reliable. Or should I mount the yagi up that hill aways and make a long run of coax to the cabin? The antenna location would obviously be better, but would I lose what I've gained as far as signal loss by the long coax run? The run would probably end up being 150-200' or so.

'Any thoughts/advice appreciated!

Posted by: Life-Is-Good

The stronger signal at the top of the hill should much more than make up for the loss in the cable.

But keep in mind that cable is expensive. If the cable is like 200 feet long you will want to use low loss cable and that will cost more than the antenna.

Posted by: ABC-NC

Another option is a small repeater/amplifier. I purchased one for about $500 and it works great.

Posted by: walkguru

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Originally posted by coyotefred
Hello!

I'm trying to improve the reception of my cellphone (LG LX5450) on the alltel network in northwest Nebraska to a remote cabin. Within the cabin itself I can only get weak analog reception with frequent call drops. 'Hike up a nearby hill about 200 feet from the cabin, however, and I can a very strong digital signal.

On those days I don't want to hike the hill , I'd like to improve reception within the cabin. I'm planning on buying one of those yagi antennas, which I've read good things about. First question is size/cost. A 20" yagi (12db gain) runs about $70. Other available sizes include 40" (24db) for $100 and 60" (36db) for $130. I'd prefer to have the smallest antenna possible since they aren't the most attractive things in the world to have sticking off your cabin. But I guess under the circumstances it would probably make sense to just spend the extra $60 since it's better to have more gain even though you might not need it.

In any case, the more important question is location. I have no idea whether a yagi mounted on the cabin roof would be good enough. When I stand up there (on the roof) with the phone now I get a slightly improved signal compared to inside the cabin, but still not reliable. Or should I mount the yagi up that hill aways and make a long run of coax to the cabin? The antenna location would obviously be better, but would I lose what I've gained as far as signal loss by the long coax run? The run would probably end up being 150-200' or so.

'Any thoughts/advice appreciated!

did you consider a pole to put you yaga on?

Posted by: Life-Is-Good

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Originally posted by walkguru
did you consider a pole to put you yaga on?

. . . or very high up on a tree near the cabin

Posted by: coyotefred

'unfortunately no tree nearby the cabin...a tall pole might be an option, and it wouldn't look all that great in that "natural" setting...that may be necessary though...

Posted by: Life-Is-Good

You could enclose a Yagi in a “cabin” of its own and make it look like a birdhouse on a pole.

Putting the Yagi on the roof of your cabin, in the attic, or even indoors may be enough. My Yagi is mounted on a video camera tripod and points out the window in my living room at the pine tree in my neighbor’s yard. It would get a much better signal up on the roof pointing directly at the tower, but the apartment building where I live does not allow residents to have outdoor antennas.

Posted by: Life-Is-Good

If you get a Yagi be sure to try pointing it in ALL directions to find the best signal. You never know what object might be reflecting the best signal in your direction, especially trees.

And try the antenna in as many different locations as possible. A few inches difference in location can make a big difference in signal level.

Trees and leaves do an excellent job of reflecting and/or blocking signals. For that reason the aiming of a Yagi might need to change with the seasons depending on whether the trees have leaves.

My Yagi actually gets the best signal when pointing in the opposite direction from the tower and receiving the powerful signal being collected by and reflected from the large pine tree in the neighbor’s yard.

Posted by: sid pearlman

First if you can get analog calls, even if they drop, at least there is a usable signal to work with. I'm optimistic a Yagi will work. I've found the same behavoir...analog low and then a digital signal up higher. Getting the antenna up high enough, either on a pole or through an extended cable run, to get a digital signal, would have the advantage of call security, from scanner evesdropping and increased battery life. Lots more features will work with digital too.

I'm no expert, but I'd start with the highest gain Yagi on the tallest pole and if that doesn't work to get a digital signal, then think about a rather large investment, for a low loss cable run up the hill.
Maybe you could get some kind of trade up deal, worked out before hand, in case the problem isn't solved?

If digital is not that important, it should be very easy to get good analog coverage, given your info. There may be capacity problems and dropped calls, given limited analog bandwith, even with a good signal.

Like the idea of disguising the antenna with a bird house on top.
There's likely color schemes, decorations and other tricks to hide the antenna shape.

Make sure and electrically ground the mast properly!!!

Ask the experts....
Check out the Cellantenna forum. There's lots real world examples and solutions to getting better reception.

Cell Antenna Corporation Q&A Forum
http://www.cellantenna.com/.cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi

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Sid

Posted by: sid pearlman

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Originally posted by Life-Is-Good
If you get a Yagi be sure to try pointing it in ALL directions to find the best signal. You never know what object might be reflecting the best signal in your direction, especially trees.

My Yagi actually gets the best signal when pointing in the opposite direction from the tower and receiving the powerful signal being collected by and reflected from the large pine tree in the neighbor’s yard.

You gave me this idea! Why not make a reflector? A sheet of plywood coated with some (aluminized?) paint... tinted green or paint with camo, to blend in.
The sheet of plywood could be steamed and bent in a small arc to concentrate the reflected signal? Mount the "reflector", in a secure framing, up on the hill and aim at a small Yagi down at house. Attach a laser level to the reflector, for an easy, accurate alignment.
I have no idea how far away one could bounce a usable cellular signal, or what size the reflector needs to be?

Out in the woods, I've run into very large, flat panels on hill tops, above hydro electric power facilities. I assume these are bouncing microwaved commands, down to the automated power plants, far below.

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Sid

Posted by: coyotefred

A couple of folks have suggested the reflector idea elsewhere, and that is a real creative idea... I assume you could paint the thing too so it does a better job of blending in. It may be that I can simply point the yagi at the hillside itself (or some feature like a rock outcrop on it). I found this grea site:

http://www.berkana.com/tower.php3

That appears to confirm what I had suspect from walking around with the cell...the tower I'm receiving a signal from is about due east from my cabin. When I climb the adjacent hillside (which sits west-southwest to the cabin), I eventually get high enough to get that signal from the east. So maybe pointing that yagi up at some feature on the east-facing slope of that hillside might do the trick. If not, I bet your reflector idea would do it!

And thanks for the link to that cell antenna group!

coyotefred

Posted by: motocdmahead

i am sorry can some one catch me up on what you are talking about. yagi attenna?

Posted by: sid pearlman

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Originally posted by coyotefred
A couple of folks have suggested the reflector idea elsewhere, and that is a real creative idea... I assume you could paint the thing too so it does a better job of blending in. It may be that I can simply point the yagi at the hillside itself (or some feature like a rock outcrop on it).
coyotefred

I always thought the yagi needed to be mounted perpendicular to the ground, as opposed to being aimed up or down. Might want to check.

Hey Coyotefred, whatever you do, could you reply later and tell us what worked? That would be helpful.

A yagi is particular an antenna design, like the TV antenna on roofs. Very directional, and needs to be aimed.

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Sid

Posted by: Life-Is-Good

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Originally posted by sid pearlman
. . . Why not make a reflector? A sheet of plywood coated with some (aluminized?) paint... tinted green or paint with camo, to blend in. . . .

One of the best possible reflectors is a large TREE with leaves or pine needles. Leaves and pine needles are exceedingly good at blocking RF. In doing so they reflect the signal back in the direction it came from. So you can use a tree as a giant reflector. Trees tend to blend in well with the natural landscape (heh) and the price is right.

Besides trees you never know what else around you might be reflecting signals in your direction. The best way to find out is to point the Yagi in ALL directions, as ridiculous as they may seem. If the best signal is coming from the dog’s water dish on the porch, then so be it. :laughs:

My Wilson Yagi is mounted on a video camera tripod in my living room and points out the living room window at a large cypress tree in the neighbor's yard. My Yagi is pointing 180 degrees away from the tower, but that big tree provides the best signal I have available. I would get a better signal from the roof, but my apartment building does not allow me to have an outdoor antenna.

A plywood reflector wouldn’t be big enough to do any good.

Posted by: Life-Is-Good

On my very first attempt to locate a tower a few years ago I tracked the tower down to definitely being a certain large redwood tree. -42 dB was coming from that tree, stronger than any signal I had ever seen before.

WOW, they REALLY did a good job of camouflaging that thing! That tree looked totally realistic and you couldn’t see any antennas or cables or anything on the tree.

I was a little embarrassed later when I finally figured out that the main “boomer” tower for this part of Santa Cruz County was on a hill a quarter mile away and that tree was just reflecting the extra powerful signal from the boomer :laughs:

Posted by: sid pearlman

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Originally posted by Life-Is-Good
I finally figured out that the main “boomer” tower for this part of Santa Cruz County was on a hill a quarter mile away and that tree was just reflecting the extra powerful signal from the boomer :laughs:

"Common sense" would indicate the opposite. I would think a tree is an RF absorber. Like it does with sound waves. Or at least a diffuser, reflecing back, but at all kinds of different angles.
Does it still reflect the same when wet?

But whatever works! I'll have to experiment with trees.
Seems a sheet of treated plywood would still work, perhaps if it was closer? Especially if it was aimed.

Do you aim the yagi any where off a horizontal axis...meaning up or down?

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Sid

Posted by: Life-Is-Good

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Originally posted by sid pearlman
"Common sense" would indicate the opposite. . . .

Do you aim the yagi any where off a horizontal axis...meaning up or down?
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Sid

In the world of cell phones I have had many experiences with reflections off of trees. If trees are around they usually make it very difficult to locate towers by direction finding.

Whatever are the reasons, pointing my Yagi at the cypress tree in my neighbor’s yard works well rain or shine.

Tilting my Yagi up or down always has reduced the signal, but anything is possible. Antennas do many very bizarre and unexpected things. Antennas are a black art that you can never fully understand.

After playing with antennas since I was a child, designing antennas during the course of getting a BSEE in communications, doing communications in the military, designing wireless systems for major corporations, snooping cell towers quite a bit, etc., where antennas are concerned I have learned to expect the unexpected and go with whatever works.

Having designed quite a few antennas I can’t imagine a plywood reflector like you have described working at all, but anything is possible.

Posted by: sid pearlman

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Originally posted by Life-Is-Good
Having designed quite a few antennas I can’t imagine a plywood reflector like you have described working at all, but anything is possible.

Lots of plywood?
After all... it's just a flat tree

Thanks,
Sid

Posted by: Life-Is-Good

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Originally posted by sid pearlman
Lots of plywood?
After all... it's just a flat tree

Thanks,
Sid

It would take a lot of plywood and a lot of support to build the equivalent of say a 30 foot tall 20 foot wide tree, but sure, what the heck, give it a try. Easy for me to say huh, it won’t cost me any time or money :laughs:

Use real cheap scrap lumber until you’re sure it works. Build it as a parabolic reflector with the focus at the point where the cell phone or Yagi antenna will be located.

And won’t it be a beautiful thing to behold?

Where would you put something like that?

How would you adjust the aim on the thing?

Would it be less of an eyesore than a Yagi in a birdhouse on top of a pole?

How long would it stand up to weather and wind?

Would it be cheaper and less trouble than buying a couple hundred feet of low loss coax cable to run to a remote Yagi? If it were me I’d just buy some cable and mount the Yagi out of sight in a good high location.

I can’t wait to hear how it turns out.

Posted by: coyotefred

You bet...absolutely!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by sid pearlman

Hey Coyotefred, whatever you do, could you reply later and tell us what worked? That would be helpful.

Posted by: coyotefred

I have plenty of trees at my location...I'm anxious to try a couple of them out!

'Just out of curiosity...where did you get your yagi? How big is it? I was trying to decide whether it made sense to get a larger yagi (e.g. 60"), but a poster on another forum says that a 60" yagi would only give you about 14dB gain, only 3dB more than a 24" one...

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Life-Is-Good

My Wilson Yagi is mounted on a video camera tripod in my living room and points out the living room window at a large cypress tree in the neighbor's yard. My Yagi is pointing 180 degrees away from the tower, but that big tree provides the best signal I have available. I would get a better signal from the roof, but my apartment building does not allow me to have an outdoor antenna.

Posted by: Life-Is-Good

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Originally posted by coyotefred
I have plenty of trees at my location...I'm anxious to try a couple of them out! . . .

You never know what will happen with trees. Having trees all around you often just blocks the signal.

At my house that big cypress pine stands taller than all the other trees around, so no other trees block its line of sight to the tower. My bedroom window has a direct line of sight at the tower, but the signal from that cypress pine outside the living room is 10 dB stronger than pointing the Yagi out the bedroom window directly at the tower.

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Originally posted by coyotefred
. . .where did you get your yagi? How big is it? I was trying to decide whether it made sense to get a larger yagi (e.g. 60"), but a poster on another forum says that a 60" yagi would only give you about 14dB gain, only 3dB more than a 24" one...

I was lucky that an independent cell phone dealer right here in town sold Wilson Yagis. I could have gotten a much better price for the same antenna on the Internet or on a JDTech brand, but this dealer had every possible adapter and accessory right there in the store. We had to try a bunch of different phone adapters and cable adapters until we found combinations that worked for the multiple phones and portable setups that I intended to use. I never would have ordered the correct adapters if I had ordered them on the Internet. I would not have even been able to figure out that the correct adapters existed. You usually need both an adapter for the cable and an adapter for the phone or repeater or whatever you are connecting to.

So you could buy the antenna and cable on the Internet and get the adapters at a local shop if you are lucky enough to have a shop nearby that sells the adapters.

For a fixed installation for a remote location, it is probably best to buy the longest antenna you can find.

My Wilson Yagi is only 30 inches long, but I didn’t want a longer one because I also take my Yagi out in my car to snoop for towers. It was also the longest Yagi that the store had in stock. 24” or 30” are very popular sizes because those sizes are a good balance between price and performance.

Posted by: xan_user

My roof acts as a reflector. my yagi is in a valley in the roof that points at the tower. thats where i get the best reception. also i have it tilted up about 1-2 degrees- the tower is on the other side of a large hill.

life-
Maybe its the leaves on the trees not the wood?

fearless-
have you had any luck with the mini yagi's for TV? saw it in a post you made nearly a year ago.

Posted by: Life-Is-Good

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Originally posted by xan_user
. . . life-
Maybe its the leaves on the trees not the wood? . . .

Yes it is DEFINITELY the leaves or needles on trees that cause the effects. That is why the effects change and the aim of the Yagi may need to be changed if the trees lose their leaves. The cypress pine tree in my neighbor’s yard is evergreen and I don’t have to re-adjust my Yagi with the seasons (some trees here do lose their leaves, even with the very mild climate here 2 blocks from the Pacific Ocean.)

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Originally posted by xan_user
. . . fearless-
have you had any luck with the mini yagi's for TV? saw it in a post you made nearly a year ago.

I have heard that those big passive TV signal boosters that you roll out on the floor of your attic do a good job of boosting cell phone signals, but I have no personal experience with them.

Posted by: xan_user

Got my hands on a direct Wilson BDA. WOW!

Whats the technical difference between a direct connection unit vs. one with an antenna?

Will it hurt the equipment to plug an antenna in to it?
Will the FCC hunt me down?

Posted by: OldEngineer

200 feet is a loooong coax run. You are likely to lose more signal than the antenna can gain. If you are using RG-58 you'll lose about 26-29 dB. Go up to RG-213 and you're still losing about 15 dB.

To get a the cable losses to a reasonable level, you've got to go to something like Heliax. 1/2" Heliax will give you losses of about 4 dB. Of course, that's going to cost you something in the neighborhood of $1.25 to $1.50 per foot, plus about $25 for each connector (installed). (All losses here are at 850 MHz. Losses at 1900 MHz will be worse.)

You're better off with the yagi on your roof, and a BDA is not a bad idea.

Posted by: xan_user

Wilson's cable chart states 4.0db loss per 100' w/9913 cable (13/32")
compared to 1.2 db loss per 10' w/ RG 58 (3/16")

OE-
Does heliax cable work better than wilson's? or is that a 4 db loss per 100' as well?

coyote- get the biggest yagi you can, as the added dbs will help offset your longer cable run.

The current yagi is 850Mhz only. Wilson says they will have 1900Mhz yagis and repeaters available in 3rd quarter.

Posted by: OldEngineer

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Originally posted by xan_user
Wilson's cable chart states 4.0db loss per 100' w/9913 cable (13/32")
compared to 1.2 db loss per 10' w/ RG 58 (3/16")

OE-
Does heliax cable work better than wilson's? or is that a 4 db loss per 100' as well?

That's for the whole 200'. Heliax type* coax is what is used for permanent installations. As a rule of thumb, we'll tolerate 3 dB of coax loss (including connectors) at MOST. If it's going to be more than that, we bump up to the next bigger size to get the losses down to an acceptable level. When you are talking about a minimum of 6 cables running up a tower (or across a rooftop) at those kind of prices, you can see that the bean counters don't like us to use the biggest available. We use the smallest possible consistent with maintaining the required signal level.

Enough coax can make or break your tower loading limits, too. On lattice towers, it all adds to wind loading, and on any tower the weight does add up.

*Heliax is actually a brand name, but kind of like Kleenex, it gets used generically.

Posted by: xan_user

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Make$ perfect cent$.

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(All losses here are at 850 MHz. Losses at 1900 MHz will be worse.)

Approximately how much more are we talking about? - just curious.

Posted by: OldEngineer

That depends on the length and the cable. At 200' with RG-58, it's over 20 dB. Switch to RG-8 and it's ~9 dB. With the Heliax mentioned above, it's only ~1.5 dB.

Here, see for yourself:

http://www.ocarc.ca/coax.htm

Posted by: Life-Is-Good

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Originally posted by OldEngineer
That depends on the length and the cable. At 200' with RG-58, it's over 20 dB. Switch to RG-8 and it's ~9 dB. With the Heliax mentioned above, it's only ~1.5 dB.

Here, see for yourself:

http://www.ocarc.ca/coax.htm

It might be cheaper to put up your own microwave or infrared link to your antenna.

Posted by: OldEngineer

More fun, too!

Posted by: Life-Is-Good

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Originally posted by OldEngineer
More fun, too!

If you do an Infrared link, use those outdoor security camera enclosures with the heated glass lenses. That prevents the lenses from fogging up and losing signal

Posted by: xan_user

Colud a yagi be used to send signal to a remote location? How far could you send the signal?

Posted by: OldEngineer

Sure - it's a favorite antenna for telemetry applications. How far you can send it depends on something called a link budget. That's basically a calculation of how much signal you can afford to lose before your communications degrade below an acceptable level.

It takes into account things like transmitter power, receiver sensitivity, path loss (the signal loss through air), cable losses, and antenna gains. If these gains and losses are all expressed in dB, you just add them up. Typically, most of the figures are known or measureable quantities, except for the path loss. From the rest, you calculate how much signal you can afford to lose (Maximum Allowable Pathloss) and that tells you how far away you can put your two units.

Posted by: xan_user

Thanks for the info OldE !!

A couple of friends have asked if I could help them get cell signal to their 'remote cabins'. One guy is in the bottom of a deep canyon, maybe around 1500 - 2000' in distance from a usabe signal on the ridge. I'll see if I can get another yagi and give it a try!

Is there a company you'd recomend? I know your not fond of Wilson.

Posted by: Life-Is-Good

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Originally posted by OldEngineer
. . . How far you can send it depends on something called a link budget. That's basically a calculation of how much signal you can afford to lose before your communications degrade below an acceptable level.

It takes into account things like transmitter power, receiver sensitivity, path loss (the signal loss through air), cable losses, and antenna gains. If these gains and losses are all expressed in dB, you just add them up. . .

HoFo is THE place to go for free expert consulting. :laughs:

Info like this comes free with project proposals. Then you get charged $300 per hour for guys like OldEngineer and me to actually make it work, heeheehee.

When I was a Systems Engineer for Agilent my standard rate for consulting was $2500 per day.

My boss would prostitute me to companies like QWEST and BellSouth at the bargain bulk rate of $1750 per day for 10 days, which made it impossible for me to make my monthly revenue quota of $45,000. :laughs:

Posted by: OldEngineer

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Originally posted by xan_user
Thanks for the info OldE !!
A couple of friends have asked if I could help them get cell signal to their 'remote cabins'. One guy is in the bottom of a deep canyon, maybe around 1500 - 2000' in distance from a usabe signal on the ridge. I'll see if I can get another yagi and give it a try!
Is there a company you'd recomend? I know your not fond of Wilson.

You're going to need a repeater for that. Set it up on the ridge (solar powered, probably) and receive the signal from the network and re-transmit it down the canyon. If your're trying to recieve a 1900 MHz network, use a dish antennas for best results.

Not difficult in theory, but not cheap and then you have the question of who owns the land where you put the repeater...

As for a brand.... Try anything BUT Wilson or Larsen!

But you will need a SERIOUS amplifier for that. I just ran some quick numbers, and at a rough guess I'd say you'll need about 80 dB of gain in your repeater. Here are my assumptions:

input -85
ant gain 12
cable loss -1
amp gain 60
cable loss -3
ant gain 12
path loss @ 2000' -87 (reality will be worse - this is free space loss. Vegetation will kill your signal.)

signal in canyon -92

If you can get more gain out of the antennas, that's great. A couple of dish antennas will get you more gain and more isolation (between antennas) which is even better.

Posted by: xan_user

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Info like this comes free with project proposals. Then you get charged $300 per hour for guys like OldEngineer and me to actually make it work, heeheehee.

Wow i'm running up quite a bill! as usual....

Funny what time is worth. As a ski/snowboard race tech I earned well over $ 350 / hour. Of course its hard to find year round work!

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You're going to need a repeater for that.

I was already thinking solar!

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If your're trying to recieve a 1900 MHz network, use a dish antennas for best results.

What sort of dish antenna would you suggest?

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As for a brand.... Try anything BUT Wilson or Larsen!

My Wilson trucker fell apart after 6 months.......

Posted by: sid pearlman

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Originally posted by xan_user
My Wilson trucker fell apart after 6 months.......

The ball on the end of my Wilson mag-mount fell off shortly after purchase. The vinyl tape covering the magnet scrapped off as well.
Agreed... Wilson=crap.

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Sid

Posted by: OldEngineer

Dishes, dishes, who's going to do the dishes?

Uh, I mean, which dish to use? Well, 1900 MHz USED to be microwave spectrum. There shold be an endless assortment of microwave dishes available for that band. And now we're getting into an area that I know only peripherally.

We are talking about commercial stuff though, and it won't be cheap. I'd try to see what I could find on the surplus market. Any name brand should do you. If you can find one that uses coax instead of waveguide, you'll save yourself a lot of headaches.

If you can hook up with a microwave tech, you'll be in business!

Assuming you've got the bucks for this. I'm seeing lots of dollar signs!

If you can find a property owner at the top of the ridge who wants a little extra income, and convince the carrier of your choice that it makes good business sense, they might put one in for you.

You'll need a pretty good population in that canyon before they'll pay attention, though.

Posted by: Life-Is-Good

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Originally posted by xan_user
. . . My Wilson trucker fell apart after 6 months.......

My Wilson Yagi is fine after a year of hard use and abuse riding around in my van searching for towers. I guess that I lucked out and got a rare good Yagi from Wilson :laughs:

But when I bought my Wilson Yagi, the first brand new Wilson we took out of its box at the store the driven element fell off immediately because the rivets had not been installed properly. The store manager and I marveled at the “100% Quality Control” sticker on the box :laughs:

Posted by: Life-Is-Good

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Originally posted by xan_user
. . . Funny what time is worth. As a ski/snowboard race tech I earned well over $ 350 / hour. Of course its hard to find year round work!. . .

Hey OldEngineer, maybe you and I should give up on this geek stuff and switch to something more fun AND more profitable :laughs:

Posted by: Life-Is-Good

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Originally posted by OldEngineer
. . . Assuming you've got the bucks for this. I'm seeing lots of dollar signs! . . .

Approximately how many dollars are we talking here? Low five figures?

Posted by: OldEngineer

At least.

Posted by: jjdu4

I have used Wilson equipment for a while now and have had nothing but good things to say about them and their equipment. I have sold many of their repeaters systems with not one complaint.....