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Fake T630 Housings on Ebay

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Posted by: rickpaul

I have been asked by a few members what to look for in fake T630 housings on ebay.

Here are some characteristics to avoid.


Posted by: frankhalo

Thanks for the tips. I have followed your guide lines and purchased a "Liquid Black" housing for my T630. Looks like the complete package from logos to supplied parts, will not know for sure until it arrives, Costs $55 AU delivered.

Heres the item for all interested, what do you think, is it a fake ?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...item=3095881728

( above link is not intended to promote or sell product, just a guide to show forum readers whats out there...thanks )




Great forum, hopefully someone will do a guide on ripping apart a T630 soon.

Regards Frank


Posted by: rickpaul

The Mirror Bezel on the back of the battery cover is shipped from the factory as part of the battery cover. It is not supposed to be removable.

Also, the battery covers come with a padding on the inside to keep the battery from bouncing arround in the case. There is no reason for this piece to be missing.




Posted by: frankhalo

Recieved the T630 housing today and its a fake, a good fake , but still a fake. $55 AU for something that should be $5 AU, ripped off big time. Front face LCD lens was not glued on to faceplate and mirror on the back plate was seperate, not glued. Feel cheated big time, also no padding for the battery on the backcover.


Posted by: STATICFREE

Well, the padding on the back of the battery cover will or will not be there. (From what I've seen.) I bought a housing from a vendor once, and received the whole thing, in one piece, correct SE logo here, correct placement and font for Sony Ericsson there.

The paint was perfect, the screen padding under the front cover was there just like it should be. Just with one exception... The back padding on the battery cover was gone. I had a guy look at it and he determined that it was real. He even asked me the price I paid for it. That was it's only fault. So I guess I was unlucky to not get the correct padding after all.
Now my new cover is busted to death. Was it the money's worth? No.


Posted by: rickpaul

I will have more things in two weeks to detect frauds. The accents on the mirror bezel of the white housing should be silver, while the accents on the mirror bezel of the black housing should be black. The text on the white housing's camera bezel should be silver. The text on the black housings camera bezel should be black.

Once again, there is no way at all that the battery covers would be sold without a pad. This is the way they come from Sony Ericsson. No pad = not genuine.

The counterfiet ones are very very good. They are not cheap on making fakes anymore. I have personally talked with some of the companies who sell the fakes. Some of them were very open with me. The only thing that is real, is the keypad and keyboard pcb. I hear they will have finally replicated the keyboard PCB next week.


Posted by: carsmovies

Looks like I might have gotten a fake one from ebay. The front cover doesn't have the parts for the screws to actually screw into and the battery cover doesn't have the pad.


Posted by: mikeschultz

I just took the pad off of my old battery cover and put it on my new "fake" (a very good fake) battery cover.


Posted by: simplyred

couldn't you just remove the foam battery pad from the old back casing and stick it on the new one?
if not...
find some one who sells thin foam backings?
hehe..

at the prices for fakes.. it's a sweet deal..
but if you end up paying big bucks for fakes... OUCH...
i'm getting a T637 today [thanks to cy88... deal with him, he's good to bargain with]

so i'm worried about these casings too..

thanks for the heads up


Posted by: nefarious

I've had a t630 for 6 months and need a new case now. Guess I'll have to be careful


Posted by: b168ag

Howdy, all!

I have been looking around for T610 to T630 conversion kit. It appears that the place that I'd like to get the kit from, GlobalMob is currently out of stock. Then I look to eBay and I found several sellers claiming that they are selling the OEM parts.

After reading this thread, I learned that those ones on eBay may not be the real OEM.

I have a few questions that some of you probably can answer:
1). Can somebody advise me the build quality of the "OEM" ones from eBay? Is it cheap plastic? I got a generic Nokia faceplace before. The paint on the faceplate wore off after only a couple months.


2). Rickpaul: can you advise the leadtime if GlobalMob is going to restock the conversion kit soon?

Thanks in advance,

Jim


Posted by: Global Mobility

Jim,

I would estimate 2-3 weeks. The "OEM" quality of the vendors on eBay ~ cheap. It all depends on how you want your phone to look. In my personal opinion, I think the ones on eBay look pretty decent, but they do have the tendency to wear much quicker than the original SE part.

They really shouldn't quote "OEM" when they are not even close to the original part. Most of them reply by stating that they didn't know. If this was true, then they shouldn't advertise as "OEM", but rather an aftermarket accessory/part. It's simply another bait and switch scheme in my opinion.

It all depends on what you want. If you are simply pleased with new casing, and lots of colors to choose from, then the aftermarket products are good. If you are a perfectionist, and like to keep everything original, then you should pursue the original part.

I hope this helped.


Posted by: murdoc

hmmm
im planning on ordering on ebay for housing + keyboard and pcb. i found these two sellers with solid feedback and i am wondering if ne1 on hofo has ne experience ordering t630 housing or nething off them b4.

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...5709613841&rd=1

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...5709829147&rd=1

they look pretty ×××× real to me


Posted by: n3985

Hey Global Mobility, any timeframe as to when you'll have more white T630 housings in?


Posted by: Global Mobility

n3985,

Unfortunately, it will be another 2-3 weeks before we get these parts back in again. Sorry.


Posted by: pythonx

Quote:
Originally posted by murdoc
hmmm
im planning on ordering on ebay for housing + keyboard and pcb. i found these two sellers with solid feedback and i am wondering if ne1 on hofo has ne experience ordering t630 housing or nething off them b4.

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...5709613841&rd=1

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...5709829147&rd=1

they look pretty ×××× real to me


look for Fatmui's OEM housing, they are not original, but they look very good, and the latest revision seems to have fixed the few issues that was with the earlier ones (display glass not so good attached, newest batch is really nice fastened)


Posted by: b168ag

Quote:
Originally posted by pythonx
look for Fatmui's OEM housing, they are not original, but they look very good, and the latest revision seems to have fixed the few issues that was with the earlier ones (display glass not so good attached, newest batch is really nice fastened)


pythonx, do you know if Fatmui's has battery pad? Did you buy yours from Fatmui?

Another concern that I have about these "OEM" housings are the fitting. Generic housing usually gets loose after a while. This will let dusts to enter the phone.... just like my old Nokia. Do you have any comments?


Posted by: pythonx

Quote:
Originally posted by b168ag
pythonx, do you know if Fatmui's has battery pad? Did you buy yours from Fatmui?

Another concern that I have about these "OEM" housings are the fitting. Generic housing usually gets loose after a while. This will let dusts to enter the phone.... just like my old Nokia. Do you have any comments?



sonsonfatmui alt. fatmui does not have the paddings, they are fake, but one of the best fakes I have seen
And about the fitting, their earlier ones had quite ok fitting, the ones they had a month ago had rather impressive fitting, i'd guess the newest batch has excellent fitting.


Posted by: murdoc

so can some1 tell me the difference besides OEM housing and fatmui's housing. besides fatmui's being fake is there any other physical differences from ppl telling whethers its real or fake.


Posted by: pythonx

Quote:
Originally posted by murdoc
so can some1 tell me the difference besides OEM housing and fatmui's housing. besides fatmui's being fake is there any other physical differences from ppl telling whethers its real or fake.


Fatmuis are as close as perfect as it can get, it's missing the paddings and such, so they are stripped clean, but they look awesome


Posted by: murdoc

fatmui's prices are gonna be the same thing as global mob.. i think ill just wait for them to restock.


Posted by: c0w

yeah, why pay for a fake one when you can get a oem one for the same price?

come on global mob! we're all waiting ..


Posted by: radeon_x

What do you guys think about this one? Seller claims it's OEM and it does look pretty good... but what about the part I've circled in red? "That don't look right"




Posted by: carsmovies

Quote:
Originally posted by radeon_x
What do you guys think about this one? Seller claims it's OEM and it does look pretty good... but what about the part I've circled in red? "That don't look right"


That part in red is normal. I removed the Cingular sticker from my previous T637 and it had the same thing. Take a pic of the inside of the front cover. The fake one I had bought before getting a T637 didn't have the female part of where the screws screw into. It was therefore completely useless for me.


Posted by: b168ag

The ring around the camera is chipped.

Some sellers on ebay do list the images of the interior of the housing. I saw one before with the screw holes but I forgot who was selling it.


Posted by: carsmovies

Quote:
Originally posted by b168ag
The ring around the camera is chipped.

Some sellers on ebay do list the images of the interior of the housing. I saw one before with the screw holes but I forgot who was selling it.


Yeah, the screw holes were there but there was no metal insert for the screws to actually screw into.


Posted by: radeon_x

Quote:
Originally posted by b168ag
The ring around the camera is chipped.

Some sellers on ebay do list the images of the interior of the housing. I saw one before with the screw holes but I forgot who was selling it.


I did notice that chip in the picture, but the seller has 4 items available - so they can't all be like that, right .

Well, anyway, I ordered it and will report back on how things go.

eBay item here


Posted by: carsmovies

Don't know about you ppl but now that the T637 is out why not just get the real thing and not take a chance spending like $40 to $50 bucks getting a fake housing or PCB board that doesn't work.


Posted by: radeon_x

Quote:
Originally posted by carsmovies
Don't know about you ppl but now that the T637 is out why not just get the real thing and not take a chance spending like $40 to $50 bucks getting a fake housing or PCB board that doesn't work.


That would be too smart

My justifications for the T616.5:

-lower SAR
-longer battery life with non-TFT
-already have uncustomized R1B, and the equivalent uncustomized T637 still goes for $350-$400

Meh, what can you do?




Posted by: b168ag

I am using P800 for my daily use, but I still have two extra T610 that I will give to my siblings. Rather than trading them to T637 which will cost me a fortune after $35.00 update on each T610 (Updates done: removing T-mo software that has the unusable T-zone shortcut, unlocking the network, reflashing with the latest Asian version software that includes Indonesian/Malaysian language), I'd prefer rewarding them with another $40.00 cosmetics update to T63x series.

My reason of changing the housing is not about the style. I like the T610 housing material. It's very clean and stylish. However, I do not like the tiny buttons on T610.

So... those are my reasons to upgrade to T63x housing.

BTW, I got those T610 from T-mo this Jan'04. Got them $80.00 each with a total mail-in rebate of $470.00



[QUOTE]Originally posted by radeon_x
[B]That would be too smart

My justifications for the T616.5:

-lower SAR
-longer battery life with non-TFT
-already have uncustomized R1B, and the equivalent uncustomized T637 still goes for $350-$400

Meh, what can you do?


Posted by: b168ag

Hey, radeon_x

I was thinking about buying from this dude, too. PLMK how it goes, will ya? Thx.

Quote:
Originally posted by radeon_x
I did notice that chip in the picture, but the seller has 4 items available - so they can't all be like that, right .

Well, anyway, I ordered it and will report back on how things go.

eBay item here



Posted by: allstream

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...item=6310138751

seems like the lowest price i've seen on ebay...
but....no mirror no battery pad?


worth it or no?


Posted by: Vincent9V

Quote:
Originally posted by radeon_x
What do you guys think about this one? Seller claims it's OEM and it does look pretty good... but what about the part I've circled in red? "That don't look right"
That is real, the circle in red looks wierd b/c they didn't include the black label that should stick in there. Just ignore it, don't need a label.


Posted by: radeon_x

@b168ag

I'll post back here as soon as I get it with a full report about the quality / included parts.

I did notice that the camera button pictured is black with grey/white camera picture - the same as with the T610/616. From pictures of the production black T637s, it looks as though that button is actually supposed to be silver with a black camera. So, we'll see if that's indeed what I receive.

@vincent9v

I wonder if the kit will include the black sticker to cover that circle part up? It looks kind of cheap having that piece showing like it is.

Well, we'll see what happens...


Posted by: b168ag

allstream,

The mirror is clearly there. If you see closely, you can even see a glimpse of his digital camera there

About the battery pad, I saw a posting in one of the cell phone forums that the guy removed the pad from his T610 battery cover to the new housing. I do not know if this is true or not since he did not show us any picture of his work. Another unfortunate thing... I do not remember where that posting is anymore



Quote:
Originally posted by allstream
http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...item=6310138751

seems like the lowest price i've seen on ebay...
but....no mirror no battery pad?


worth it or no?



Posted by: allstream

Quote:
Originally posted by b168ag
allstream,

The mirror is clearly there. If you see closely, you can even see a glimpse of his digital camera there


i thought that was the interior of the housing...lol


Posted by: eobet

Hey, Global Mobility person, I posted the following in another thread, but just in case you missed it:

Quote:
I ordered parts from that Global Mobility (globalmob) site as well. The parts received are probably original SE parts, but I did notice two things: The keys on the keypad (T610 actually) weren't an as precise fit as my old (worn) one, and on the inside of the face plate (T610 again) there was a little foam padding on the bottom "missing" (I say it within quotes because maybe SE deemed it unecessary to install them in new cases, who knows).


It's not really a complaint, but just so you people who buy from Ebay are aware that SE parts apparently aren't 100% perfect all of the time either.

Why do you guys want the T630 look? A T630 inside a nice, brushed aluminium T610 case is much cooler, imo!


Posted by: b168ag

Oh, another thing.... it's about the T630 keyboard PCB. Some sellers on eBay has the PCB with "R1B" written on it, but a couple auctions have "R1A". I am not sure how this will make a difference.

R1A:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...5711587902&rd=1

R1B:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...6311582213&rd=1


Posted by: radeon_x

××××! Screwed by eBay again!

When I first looked at the auction page, I could not tell if the keypad depicted in the image had Chinese characters on the keypad or not. Not wanting to take any chances, of course I emailed the seller for clarification.

In the meantime, I notice that the images on the eBay auction page are not shown full size. So, I download the full size image of the keypad (right click, save as) and I see that there are clearly NO chinese characters on the keypad, just plain english letters and numbers.

Great, says I. The seller had not gotten back to me at this point so I figure, what the heck, the item looks perfect so I'll just go ahead and order.

Seller emails me back today saying that yes, there ARE Chinese characters on the keypad! WTF! Not in your image there aren't! So anyway, I asked him to cancel my order promptly and refund my PayPal payment.

We'll see what happens...

Never order from kpcom8 - misrepresentation of items!!!!


Posted by: b168ag

radeon_x,

I am so sorry for your misfortune with the ebayers.

I would not think about asking them about chinese characters on those T630 keypads although my P800... ehm... it is actually a P802, has the chinese characters on keypad, chinese handwriting recog, chinese keyboard and chinese-english dictionary The ebay seller who sold this P800... ehm... P802 to me did not describe anything about those features in his auction page. I do not mind those features because I am learning chinese anyway but I cannot imagine what a guy like you and his other customers think about getting those chinese stuff. It's like ordering KFC with kungpao chicken as the bonus.

So much trouble for a simple upgrade. By the time we find the upgrade kit, the phone is probably obseleted


Posted by: radeon_x

Quote:
Originally posted by b168ag
radeon_x,

I am so sorry for your misfortune with the ebayers.

I would not think about asking them about chinese characters on those T630 keypads although my P800... ehm... it is actually a P802, has the chinese characters on keypad, chinese handwriting recog, chinese keyboard and chinese-english dictionary The ebay seller who sold this P800... ehm... P802 to me did not describe anything about those features in his auction page. I do not mind those features because I am learning chinese anyway but I cannot imagine what a guy like you and his other customers think about getting those chinese stuff. It's like ordering KFC with kungpao chicken as the bonus.

So much trouble for a simple upgrade. By the time we find the upgrade kit, the phone is probably obseleted


Haha - well I just find them distracting since I have no idea what they mean... English only for me. If only Global Mobility had the kit in-stock, then I wouldn't be in this mess!




Posted by: Thijs

I have found this is it good?
mowgsm


Posted by: murdoc

bit pricy


Posted by: MattDsgnr

Been following the forums about converting my T610 and after reading everything decided to try one of the ebay knock off housings. Thought I'd share my experience for you guys.

First of all, the housing looks very OEM. Clean, all logos in place, mirror attached, 1piece front, all buttons included. Was missing the foam on the batter cover, but no glaringly obvious signs that it is fake.

The fit was acceptable, but no way this is an original Sony product. Some seams have uneven gaps - a good way to attract dust inside, but still not super obvious.

The more obvious clue that it's not oem is that when the keyboard lights up, you can see the glue where the numbers are attached to the translucent keypad. Not obvious when it's dark - quite obvious when it's lighted.

Lastly, some places where the pieces are glued (like the lcd cover and earpiece) have visible glue marks. More evident on the lcd cover because you can see a small glue seam along the length of the window.

Would I buy this again? Probably not. If you want to save $10-$15 bucks, it's not terrible. But, if you are like me, and want your phone to look extra-clean, spend the extra change and get the oem piece. At the worst, you could buy a knock-off housing, but at least get the OEM keypad so you don't have to look at the glue lines. Also, mine didn't come with the carrier blank sticker, so I have that small indention visible.

Well, hope that helps! Also thanks to everyone on here for the good advice.


Posted by: b168ag

MattDsgnr,

Thank you for the write up. I have decided not to change the cover. I would just keep the original T610 cover. Too many hassles may come up if I change it.





Posted by: radeon_x

I received a similar housing to the one you describe, and I wondered about the gaps / glue issue too. On the bottom of my screen, there was a relatively wide gap between the screen and keys on the left side and there was some glue clearly visible. Further, there was a bit of overhang on the right side of the case where the front plate meets the side.

I wonder if these aren't in fact Sony OEM cases (they sure do seem like it in almost every regard), but ones that have manufacturing defects of some sort - and that's how a lot of the eBayers are getting a hold of them....

My "6" key wasn't working and I've returned the housing for a refund, but there's no way I'd ever buy a supposed "OEM" housing on eBay anymore and I caution whoever is thinking about it to think twice...



Quote:
Originally posted by MattDsgnr
Been following the forums about converting my T610 and after reading everything decided to try one of the ebay knock off housings. Thought I'd share my experience for you guys.

First of all, the housing looks very OEM. Clean, all logos in place, mirror attached, 1piece front, all buttons included. Was missing the foam on the batter cover, but no glaringly obvious signs that it is fake.

The fit was acceptable, but no way this is an original Sony product. Some seams have uneven gaps - a good way to attract dust inside, but still not super obvious.

The more obvious clue that it's not oem is that when the keyboard lights up, you can see the glue where the numbers are attached to the translucent keypad. Not obvious when it's dark - quite obvious when it's lighted.

Lastly, some places where the pieces are glued (like the lcd cover and earpiece) have visible glue marks. More evident on the lcd cover because you can see a small glue seam along the length of the window.

Would I buy this again? Probably not. If you want to save $10-$15 bucks, it's not terrible. But, if you are like me, and want your phone to look extra-clean, spend the extra change and get the oem piece. At the worst, you could buy a knock-off housing, but at least get the OEM keypad so you don't have to look at the glue lines. Also, mine didn't come with the carrier blank sticker, so I have that small indention visible.

Well, hope that helps! Also thanks to everyone on here for the good advice.



Posted by: Global Mobility

I've seen a few fake housings where the seller claimed they are OEM. First of all, that seller is lying to you when he/she sells the knockoffs. But, trying to profit by lying or fooling their own customers should not be tolerated. I get emails and spam all the time to buy original Microsoft XP operating systems, and Office 2003 for $50/ea. They also claim that they are OEM. I know they are fake, and lawbreakers shouldn't get my coin.

The fakes look pretty decent and might be worth it for the money for some people.


Posted by: radeon_x

Quote:
Originally posted by Global Mobility
I've seen a few fake housings where the seller claimed they are OEM. First of all, that seller is lying to you when he/she sells the knockoffs. But, trying to profit by lying or fooling their own customers should not be tolerated. I get emails and spam all the time to buy original Microsoft XP operating systems, and Office 2003 for $50/ea. They also claim that they are OEM. I know they are fake, and lawbreakers shouldn't get my coin.

The fakes look pretty decent and might be worth it for the money for some people.


Hey GlobalMob, the housings your selling (I'm curious about both T630 and T610 originals), do they have the thin foam padding inside the front cover, around the edges of the screen lens? From what I can tell it's designed to rest up against the edges of the LCD to prevent dust or possibly just to provide a more secure fit. The padding was present on my T616, but not the "OEM" T630 housing I bought on eBay. I'm wondering if it's a T610/616 specific thing, or if it's just not present at all on any OEM housings.


Posted by: Global Mobility

radeon_x,

Yes, they have a narrow foam padding bordering the lens.


Posted by: giel77

Are these fake covers??

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...item=5714033139

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...item=5713847353


Posted by: MattDsgnr

I know the first one is, because kpcom8 is who I bought mine from. There's another post on this thread about a guy who bought from him and received chinese characters on the phone! Also, the pictures are the same, aren't they? I wouldn't trust either one as OEM.


Posted by: c0w

both are fake

Quote:
Originally posted by giel77
Are these fake covers??

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...item=5714033139

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...item=5713847353



Posted by: zenji

Do any of these housings come with the top panel, where the infrared and power button reside? or is this part not changable?


Posted by: zenji

Doh silly me, nevermind my question, just seen an image. That bit is part of the antenna cover isn't it


Posted by: richy240

Quote:
Originally posted by c0w
both are fake


How can you tell? These don't look fake, but I don't know what to look for either...


Posted by: richy240

OK, OK - They're fake. I got mine in the mail and I realize now that the build quality is piss-poor on these housings. Stay away from "china_store" on eBay.




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