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The definitive word on Logos for Nokia GSM phones
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Posted by: Telekom

I know this topic has been bandied about many times, but I have yet to see a definitive answer or FAQ about operator logos on Nokia phones. I was able to download different logos from me43.com for my Nokia 3390 phone. As far as I know I have a 32k SIM. That said I recently tried exchanging the SIM on my Nokia 3390 with my Nokia 5190 handset. When I power up the Nokia 5190 I do not get the special logo. I was always under the impression that the logo was stored in the SIM card rather than in the phone and also that it was network dependant i.e. your logo will only work with the network that you are on which in my case is VoiceStream 310-20. Is the logo stored in the SIM or in the handset and why if the new logo displays in the 3390 will it not display on the 5190? Does the 5190 not have enough memory in the handset?

Posted by: Schukey

I don't think operator logos really are stored on the SIM card... I think it's some false rumor or something because I downloaded an operator logo to my 5190, then put in a different SIM card and it still shows the same logo.

Posted by: chapuka

I don't have definitive answer on this topic. But I think the problem is not as complicated as you thought. Here are some of my ideas that are not technically proven correct but I believe they are true.

1) Custom logo is stored on the hardware of your phone for sure, not on the SIM card.

2) The logo is always sitting on your phone after you download it. It's just a matter of whether or not the SIM card allows the logo to be seen on your phone.

3) Speaking of SIM card not allowing a logo to show, it's not a matter of whether it's a 8K, 16K, 32K card. It's how the SIM card is programmed by the carrier. If your carrier doesn't want you to see it, they can program your card to block the logo.

Posted by: Steve Punter

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Originally posted by Schukey
I don't think operator logos really are stored on the SIM card... I think it's some false rumor or something because I downloaded an operator logo to my 5190, then put in a different SIM card and it still shows the same logo.

Absolutely NOT. I recently replaced my SIM card when I damanged my old one. The Op Logo I already had in my 6190 remained in place even after I put in the new card. So like you have observed, the Op Logo is clearly stored in the phone. Besides, Op Logos are NOT part of the GSM spec.

Posted by: Telekom

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Originally posted by Steve Punter
Absolutely NOT. I recently replaced my SIM card when I damanged my old one. The Op Logo I already had in my 6190 remained in place even after I put in the new card. So like you have observed, the Op Logo is clearly stored in the phone. Besides, Op Logos are NOT part of the GSM spec.

I only asked because some have said that "providers" were disabling the ability to change the operator logo and thus you could not change it. There was also discussion that it mattered whether your SIM card was 8k, 16k or 32k. I've never seen anything "authoritative" about changing logos. The only thing that I've seen that is somewhat definite is that if you want to use an operator logo and have it display that you need to be sure and use the correct operator when you choose to download via SMS a logo.

Posted by: harrytse

I don't contest that operator logos are stored on the phone and I couldn't care less about them, however I do recall reading somewhere once (don't ask me where, it was much too long ago) that somebody wanted to carry their operator logo along with them on the SIM. I believe they used a non-Nokia phone (or at least one that doesn't support operator logos) and put their SIM in the non-Nokia phone. Since Operator Logos are sent essentially as SMSes and strings of text anyway except with a special header, the operator logo was sent to the non-Nokia operator logo capable phone and the phone would just acccept it as an SMS and save it. Then by putting the SIM back in a Nokia, the Nokia'll be able to access the operator logo in the inbox and comprehend the operator logo header. Takes up the SMS memory slots, but hey whatever makes them happy

That's the theory at least, never done it. Maybe that's what they were referring to when ppl claim they're stored on the SIM. or they don't know what they're talking about!

Feel free to INTELLIGENTLY punch holes in this argument or if you find any fallacies. I'm only working off of theory here.

As for the SIM Card Capacity issue. I think that it's as much dependent on the provider as it is the SIM card itself. Well you'll probably know from the forum that certain SIM Cards of certain maker of a certain provider works, where as certain SIM Cards of a certain maker of the same provider doesn't. I'm guesssing people began to speculate and find a pattern to why and formed a general consensus that for example, in general 16K SIM cards support operator logos whereas 32K SIM Cards do not (or have it overriden or disabled). This generalization seems to be the case w/ Fido in Canada, whereas the prior "certain SIM card of a certain maker..." is the case for Voicestream (I believe) in the US.

Posted by: Telekom

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Originally posted by harrytse

That's the theory at least, never done it. Maybe that's what they were referring to when ppl claim they're stored on the SIM. or they don't know what they're talking about!

As for the SIM Card Capacity issue. I think that it's as much dependent on the provider as it is the SIM card itself. Well you'll probably know from the forum that certain SIM Cards of certain maker of a certain provider works, where as certain SIM Cards of a certain maker of the same provider doesn't. I'm guesssing people began to speculate and find a pattern to why and formed a general consensus that for example, in general 16K SIM cards support operator logos whereas 32K SIM Cards do not (or have it overriden or disabled). This generalization seems to be the case w/ Fido in Canada, whereas the prior "certain SIM card of a certain maker..." is the case for Voicestream (I believe) in the US.

Well, I'm not sure what "brand" of SIM card I'm using, but I have a 32k card and I am able to save logos. Frankly, I'm sort of at a loss as to what actually is "necessary" to save a logo for display as it's sort of been determined that it's necessary to have the handset support it, but then there are the folks who are saying that a certain brand of SIM card will permit it while others are not. I guess what I'm trying to get at is that there have been all sorts of discussion about why or why not people can save a logo sometimes and other times not. Some are saying that the operator e.g. VoiceStream, Cingular, Microcell, etc. are purposely defeating the ability to change the standard logo to something else. I guess a sort of goal of mine is to get the real "facts" of the matter as to what you need to do to change the logo and what will prevent it whether it's involved in the capacity of the SIM card, the brand of the SIM card, the phone or any combination of these factors. I think it would be nice if we could have some definite answers on this as this is one of the most commonly asked questions in the Nokia, VoiceStream, Cingular and probably AT&T forums for those who have Nokia handsets and wish to put something other than what's standard in place of the logo. It's certainly not a life and death issue, but some want to know what the real scoop is on this "feature."

Posted by: AdmiralAK

I saved a nokia logo on my ericsson (well sent it to my ericsson, and it was saved in the SIM) ... so you can store on a SIM... I just wouldnt do it

Oonce you get an op logo...how do you remove it?
I gave my 8290 to my mother and before I gave it to her I selected the "restore factory settings" option and all custom ringtones + logos were there.

Posted by: harrytse

Well also keep in mind that SMSes pass through the SIM Card and if one decides to save an operator logo, then it's saved onto the phone. The bottom line in my mind is that operator logos as Steve stated is not part of the GSM standard, and keep in mind many individuals are also confused and may not necessarily know what they're describing, talking about, or what is actually happening and may make stuff up as they see it.

Admiral for the ring tones you're outta luck, it can be replaced, but not deleted. A firmware flash would do the trick, most conventional and provider permitted. The other I guess is the data cable and delete it. You might be able to send a Blank Ring tone via logo manager. Never tried it, but a firmware flash should work. As for the operator logo, if memory serves me correctly is to send yourself or upload an operator logo using Logo Manager w/ the incorrect Operator Code and it should revert to default. I wonder though if firmware flash would work too though? Oh well, not important.

Posted by: AdmiralAK

True it is not that important...besides my mother seems to like the Inspector Gadget Theme

Posted by: obsidianic

When I power up the Nokia 5190 I do not get the special logo.

if you mean the logo/splash screen that appears when you turn on your phone, the 5190 does not support it, but you can have a text message showing.

Posted by: AdmiralAK

Is there such a thing as SIM assebly language ???

I want to get rid of my stupid "voicestream" splash screen...it drives me nutz when I turn on my phone

Posted by: harrytse

The Startup screen is in the software not the SIM Admiral, but can be replace using Logo Manager. Unfortunately it can't be sent via SMS, it has to be uploaded directly to the phone. Sorry. Imagining what the Voicestream logo looks like in Black and White on a dot matrix screen, I guess it is a little worse than the two hands "Connecting People" of the Nokia. Actually I thought they were making shadow puppets at first many years ago. LOL. What I find works though, is try pressing end and it'll bypass the startup screen. It takes the same amount of time to start up the phone, but it does get rid of that startup screen.

Posted by: AdmiralAK

The thing is when I put my non voicestream SIM inside my phone I see the "connecting people" logo...when I put my voicestream sim I see the voicestream logo.... lol

Admiral

PS: LOL

@ finger puppets :P

Posted by: Telekom

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Originally posted by AdmiralAK
The thing is when I put my non voicestream SIM inside my phone I see the "connecting people" logo...when I put my voicestream sim I see the voicestream logo.... lol

Huh? Didn't you just say the same thing twice? Your meaning was lost on me. You wanna try that again?

Posted by: harrytse

This is on your Nokia 8890 right, Admiral? I've never actually seen that before, actually I've never even powered up a Nokia 8890 before! I don't want to speculate w/o some hard evidence. But if you search through the forum enough, you've got ppl w/ unlocked phones and switching providers and complaining about their startup logo.

Read it again littlefuzzbear, he said a NON-Voicestream SIM will display a Voicestream logo whereas a Voicestream SIM will display a Nokia Logo.

Posted by: AdmiralAK

It's the same on both the 8290 and the 8890.

A voicestream SIM gives the "voicestream" startup screen
A non Voicestream SIM gives the nokia default screen

Both phones are unlocked...its just weird lol

Any text start up that I might put comes secondary and doesnt override the voicestream startup screen.

It is the same with my T28w. The "welcome to voicestream" comes up and then any startup text that I might have on the phone...weird!

Admiral