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Check out my P900 converted to a P910a
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Posted by: anlog

Thanks to Fighter, I just converted my P900 to a P910a. I will be testing everything out tonight, and posting a full review in this same thread later tonight or tomorrow.

Just wanted to give you all a heads up... As I said MONTHS ago, the 128MB MS Duo size limitation is SOFTWARE-based. I am now happily using a 256MB MS Pro Duo card in my P900.

Here are some more nice features that come with the conversion:

-Bluetooth handsfree profile
-HTML email

I will list all of the features added when I do the full review.

Be aware that I am most likely running a beta P910a firmware on the phone. Time will tell if I can upgrade to later revisions using the Online Update service. In addition, I will be testing various bandlocks on the phone to see if the P900's radio is capable of using 850MHz.

It is also my understanding that the latest P910 firmwares enable RSA protection, but that is no longer an issue for experienced "servicemen".

And yes, I will be offering this upgrade service to anyone interested.

And now, ladies and gentlemen, the proof:

And a VIDEO located here ...

ENJOY!

Posted by: remo74tg

Woe, pretty impressive if it's true. Just keep us up to date with the progress.

Posted by: anlog

Oh it's true... Remember, you can't put the P910 keypad on the P900 (and vice versa), so I didn't just swap housings.

This is HUGE news that I promised to not discuss for a few weeks now. Now that it is out in the open, THE FUN CAN BEGIN!

Posted by: 100thMonkey

does it pick up GSM 850?

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by 100thMonkey
does it pick up GSM 850?

I have not tested this yet. I will tonight....

BTW, I mailed your phone back to you this morning. I'll email you the tracking number in a few mins...

Posted by: 100thMonkey

coolio, I might have to by a P900 and send it to you to convert

Posted by: Baseballfanz

That's tight, so if you do a housing swap, is it possible to have the new keyboard?

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by Baseballfanz
That's tight, so if you do a housing swap, is it possible to have the new keyboard?

You cannot do a housing swap, and you cannot use the new keypad on the old P900 circuit board (different pin layout). The new screen, however, will work on the P900 (even with the regular P900 firmware).

It is assumed that the screen will operate with 65k colors when using the P900 firmware, and 256k colors when using the P910 firmware. However, most people say that the P910 screen doesn't look THAT much better than the P900's (definitely not as good as other 256k color screens out there).

I am not planning on purchasing a P910 screen for this phone...

Posted by: varunreddy

anlog does the p910 firmware take more space then the p900 firmware?
Can u restore ur p900 settings from a previous backup or is that not possible? I specially was wondering if there is someway to save the contact everything else would b a bonus but not required

Thanks,

Varun

Posted by: sdsviet

yes i would like know how u did this. can u have a tutorial for us to do it ourselves at home?

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by varunreddy
anlog does the p910 firmware take more space then the p900 firmware?
Can u restore ur p900 settings from a previous backup or is that not possible? I specially was wondering if there is someway to save the contact everything else would b a bonus but not required

Thanks,

Varun

Sony Ericsson states on their website that you cannot restore a P900 backup to the P910.

The firmware sizes are the same. After flashing the phone, then formatting the internal disk, I had 14.2MB of storage memory free (out of 15.6MB).

Posted by: varunreddy

Quote:

Originally posted by anlog
Sony Ericsson states on their website that you cannot restore a P900 backup to the P910.

The firmware sizes are the same. After flashing the phone, then formatting the internal disk, I have 15.4MB of storage memory free (out of 16MB).

Did u manage to save ur contacts somehow? I tried sending my contacts to my computer via bluetooth but it wouldnt go thru. My other bluetooth enabled phones r back home in India so just wondering if u did it somehow. I would luv to try the upgrade but losing my contacts would b a pain.

Varun

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by sdsviet
yes i would like know how u did this. can u have a tutorial for us to do it ourselves at home?

The ONLY software in the world that can do this right now is Fighter, which is a $300 professional service software/equipment. So unless you have it, you cannot do this yourself.

For the rest of you kids out there with terminator dongles, keep dreaming. DIV can't flash the PDA or Bluetooth portions of the P900/P910.

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by varunreddy
Did u manage to save ur contacts somehow? I tried sending my contacts to my computer via bluetooth but it wouldnt go thru. My other bluetooth enabled phones r back home in India so just wondering if u did it somehow. I would luv to try the upgrade but losing my contacts would b a pain.

Varun

EVERYTHING on the phone will be wiped out. I have all of my contacts in Outlook, and sync'ed them back into the phone with version 3.0 of the PC Suite.

Posted by: varunreddy

Quote:

Originally posted by anlog
EVERYTHING on the phone will be wiped out. I have all of my contacts in Outlook, and sync'ed them back into the phone with version 3.0 of the PC Suite.

never actually synced my phone before dont use outlook i'll give it a shot. Let me know how it goes I'd love to upgrade the firmware. What are the major differences u find other then the ms duo?

Posted by: nemik

wow! congratulations! This is amazing news indeed!

how is the speed of the phone overall? is there a noticable lag in the OS or when running apps compared to stock p900 firmware? and how about bluetooth, IR, etc? all functioning properly?

looks like when a stable firmware comes for fighter, i'll be sending you my phone!

thanks again for updating us on this, this is awesome!

oh btw, can it be flashed to p910i instead of p910a?

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by punkserb
wow! congratulations! This is amazing news indeed!

how is the speed of the phone overall? is there a noticable lag in the OS or when running apps compared to stock p900 firmware? and how about bluetooth, IR, etc? all functioning properly?

looks like when a stable firmware comes for fighter, i'll be sending you my phone!

thanks again for updating us on this, this is awesome!

oh btw, can it be flashed to p910i instead of p910a?

So far the phone is 100% stable. Everything works. I have my Jabra BT250 paired with the phone in enhanced mode, and can now put people on hold and use call-waiting solely from the headset.

Remember, they have had quite some time to perfect the P900 firmware, and this version is just an extension of that it seems. This firmware is production ready (I wouldn't be suprised if the production P910a ends up using these revisions). But then again, I still haven't had time to fully test everything, so please don't take this as my final word!

The interface and navigation speed of the phone is about the same as the P900. Definitely not slower.

The reason I loaded the P910a firmware on here is because that is what was given to me. I am still working with the Fighter team to see if these firmware files are mutants, or if the stock firmware can be flashed right to the phone. Other Fighter users don't even have these files yet...

More to follow...

Posted by: ItsPat

Sweet! Would love to get rid of the 128 limitation!

Posted by: SFgal

nice......

Posted by: nemik

cool, if possible, keep us updated on what you find out about the history of the flash file. if a production p910i gets released for fighter, it won't take long till you hear from me again

Posted by: BigFeat

Good job m8. I thought that all the documentation that I posted of the Memory Stick Duo Pro white papers since last year that alluded to PRO DUO comformance coming through firmware upgrades would dispell theories that the limitation was hardware driven. I just couldn't get how some members insisted it was despite all that circumstantial evidence. Anywho, I just wanted you to know your video work really sux

.. A tripod really would help.. Too much of a Blair Witch Project effect going on there. Nonetheless, good job of showing the evidence in motion picture.. Keep us informed.. I've already ordered a P910, but I'm still interested in knowing whether I should trash my P900 or modify to use as a backup.

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by BigFeat
Good job m8. I thought that all the documentation that I posted of the Memory Stick Duo Pro white papers since last year that alluded to PRO DUO comformance coming through firmware upgrades would dispell theories that the limitation was hardware driven. I just couldn't get how some members insisted it was despite all that circumstantial evidence. Anywho, I just wanted you to know your video work really sux .. A tripod really would help.. Too much of a Blair Witch Project effect going on there. Nonetheless, good job of showing the evidence in motion picture.. Keep us informed.. I've already ordered a P910, but I'm still interested in knowing whether I should trash my P900 or modify to use as a backup.

Haha... I was shaking with excitement when I made that movie!

I KNEW it was a software limitation, but just didn't have any proof either. SE is notorious for crippling their phones via software. Take the T237 for example. Architecturally, it is identical to the T226 (except for the LCD). Put it this way, I've lost count of how many T226's I've upgraded to T237's, giving the phone the two big features of the T237: voice dialing and a speakerphone...

Posted by: anlog

REVIEW TIME!!!

Here we go...

First off, I still don't know for sure if this is a beta firmware or not (I suspect it is). I spent some time digging around the operating system, and one of the only unusual things I found was this:

The titlebar says 1.37, and the latest official version is 1.36. Below that it says 1.4 (partially). This leads me to believe that this is not the production firmware (don't see why they would leave something like that in the final release).

As for the stability of this potentially-not-production-firmware, it is 100% rock solid. Not one crash or issue after several hours of using the phone. All of my regular programs work (Tracker, Keymapper, Agile, Opera, etc). This firmware could easily pass for production, and definitely isn't plagued with problems like the first P900 firmwares. As previously stated, this simply feels like the next version of the P900's firmware, and SE has had plenty of time to work out the kinks with that. In other words, this phone will continue to be my main one (used quite heavily every day).

I'm not going to go into detail of the new UIQ version's interface, because this information can be found in any P910 review. I will, however, point out some interesting things I noticed.

First, the Bluetooth icon on the status bar allows you to easily turn BT on and off without having to go into the main configuration screen. Very handy:

While we're talking about Bluetooth, I have some bad news about the handsfree profile. I JUMPED THE GUN! I was able to pair my Jabra to the phone in enhanced mode, verify that the headset had the advanced features enabled (two beeps when the button is held), and connect the headset to the phone (the BT status icon switched to connected). That was when I wrote my previous post. However, when the time came to actually MAKE a call, the headset crapped out. It would connect for a moment, but then immediately return the call to the handset and give me a headset error on the screen. So, it's a no-go on the enhanced mode FOR NOW (with the Jabra, at least, though other headsets might work). We are dealing with one of three things:

1. The P900 conversion doesn't support it.
2. This particular P910 firmware doesn't support it.
3. The P910 will never support it.

The next big addition (and it IS big) is compatibility with MS Pro DUO cards. I have given the 256MB card I'm using a good stress test, and installed all of my applications from the card itself. No issues - works like a champ!

(View from File Manager)

(View from Tracker 4.03)

Another cool feature added by the conversion is the support for READING (not writing) HTML email. If you use the email app a lot, this is a very nice addition.

(From name has been edited out)

You can now control the brightness of the LCD with the P910's firmware. This isn't limited to the P910 screen. It works great with the P900's. There are two modes that you can set (handheld and car), each having two settings (normal and dim). This will help quite a bit with battery life, especially when using the phone for long periods of time.

Another interesting thing I've noticed since upgrading the firmware is a substantial INCREASE of call quality and reception. Calls sound much clearer, and I am getting approximately one bar more than before (on average). At home I have always hovered around 1-2 bars - now I get 2-3. I am experiencing the same thing at work. I have made several phone calls, and immediately noticed an increase in the clarity of the call (not just related to a better signal, but as if I were using a totally different phone). Tomorrow I will play around with miniGPS to take some notes on the dB ratings I get with various cells.

The reason I loaded the P910a firmware onto the phone is because that is all I was given access to. My provider is T-Mobile, so I cannot test 850MHz tonight. Tomorrow I will bandlock the phone to only use 850MHz, and see how my co-worker's AT&T SIM handles it. As of now, I still have 900/1800/1900, even though I am using the P910a firmware images. Apparently the P900/P910 doesn't care about the bandlocks, and won't hardlock if there is a mis-match between the phone's settings and the GDFS (requiring a security zone rebuild)...

I will have a little more information for you all as the week progresses about the origin of the firmware images, and whether stock images will work on this phone (without the need for things like acoustics calibrations, etc). If all goes well, I'll be eventually upgrading this puppy with the latest P910 firmware straight from SE's online update site!

Finally, here are some screenshots of the System Information windows:

Still have questions? Ask away!

Posted by: Totalfixation

Hey just curious you live in OC, would you consider updateing my phone? i also live in OC, i will happily pay you for the job?

Posted by: Guy

Awesome work!

Hopefully this knowlegde willbe shared and eventually I'll be able to do the same with my P900 in the UK

SE should be ashamed for not making the P900 duo pro compatable with a firmware upgrade.

Posted by: sbjg

I agree, its just ×××× irritating to limit it to 128MB.

Posted by: SupraTT

I think its possible to uppgrade P900 via SE updateservice??
Just place your P910i in the cradle and later on in the progress just switch to your P900??
I will try to do this later when they have put up the updateservice for P910

Posted by: Lundmark

I registered due to this post.

So... potentially, how would I convert my phone to a P910? Do you think there will be some hacked firmwares that'll be possible to install the ordinary way?

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by Totalfixation
Hey just curious you live in OC, would you consider updateing my phone? i also live in OC, i will happily pay you for the job?

PM me with your phone number if interested...

Posted by: nemik

if by "ordinary way" you mean DIV, don't count on it. He did this using Sphere GSM SE Fighter. either find someone with that hardware or get it yourself, but if DIV can do this, i'll eat my terminator dongle!

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by Guy
Awesome work!

Hopefully this knowlegde willbe shared and eventually I'll be able to do the same with my P900 in the UK

SE should be ashamed for not making the P900 duo pro compatable with a firmware upgrade.

People in the UK use a product called Interceptor, which is a UK-specific version of Fighter. They can maybe help you (if you can find someone that has it).

As for the memory stick thing, it's all about marketing and money. If the P900 supported Pro DUO, less people would buy the P910. Yes, shame on SE...

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by SupraTT
I think its possible to uppgrade P900 via SE updateservice??
Just place your P910i in the cradle and later on in the progress just switch to your P900??
I will try to do this later when they have put up the updateservice for P910

I doubt that will work, unless you already have a P910 available to initiate the firmware transfer. It's worth a try, though!

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by Lundmark
I registered due to this post.

So... potentially, how would I convert my phone to a P910? Do you think there will be some hacked firmwares that'll be possible to install the ordinary way?

Sunday unlockers use a terminator dongle and DIV, which cannot flash the P800/P900/P910. You need a professional solution like Fighter. Eventually, other products like Twister might allow you to perform the procedure as well. Either way, all of these solutions cost around $300 (or more).

Posted by: anlog

You can all check my eBay feeback here. I am a PowerSeller. Take a look at my previous auctions...

eBay feedback

Posted by: anlog

It appears that the firmware files I used were created specifically for the P900 conversion. In other words, the stock P910 firmware images will NOT work on the P900 (without some modifications).

So, no chance of ever using the online update service again once the phone is converted.

Posted by: BillB

At least we know that it is possible, so SE could offer a P900 firmware update that includes some P910 features like Duo Pro support, if they want to.

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by BillB
At least we know that it is possible, so SE could offer a P900 firmware update that includes some P910 features like Duo Pro support, if they want to.

Yes, they could offer it, but never will...

Posted by: SupraTT

Quote:

Originally posted by anlog
I doubt that will work, unless you already have a P910 available to initiate the firmware transfer. It's worth a try, though!

yes I have them booth, so I will try that later when updateservice is online for P910

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by SupraTT
yes I have them booth, so I will try that later when updateservice is online for P910

Definitely won't work. It has just been confirmed that the native P910 firmware won't work on the P900. The files I used were custom made for the P900.

Posted by: SupraTT

Quote:

Originally posted by anlog
Definitely won't work. It has just been confirmed that the native P910 firmware won't work on the P900. The files I used were custom made for the P900.

ok, is it possible that you could send me that file?

Posted by: alvinrc

Quote:

Originally posted by Totalfixation
Hey just curious you live in OC, would you consider updateing my phone? i also live in OC, i will happily pay you for the job?

Me Too! Would appreciate it.

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by SupraTT
ok, is it possible that you could send me that file?

And what will you do with the files? Unless you have a copy of Fighter, they are useless to you. They are encrypted binary AVR/ARM dumps.

Posted by: richy240

I would be willing to BUY Fighter for this, although I know nothing about Flashing/Unbranding phones at this time.

How much are you charging for this upgrade service? Or, are you even offering this as a service yet?

Do you use Fighter Standard or Pro?

Please advise.

EDIT: This is GREAT news. This actually makes me feel much better about my P900, as I thought I was going to have to buy a new phone to get >128mb support. This is going to be awesome!

Posted by: sdsviet

u can get it on ebay for about 230+30 shipping.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...ssPageName=WDVW

Posted by: UnlockCellular

Hi, Standard is good enough unless you want to flash up to 16 phones in one shot

We are the official reseller of SE FIGHTER in USA.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by richy240

Do you use Fighter Standard or Pro?

[QUOTE]

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by UnlockCellular
Hi, Standard is good enough unless you want to flash up to 16 phones in one shot

We are the official reseller of SE FIGHTER in USA.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by richy240

Do you use Fighter Standard or Pro?

[QUOTE]

Yes. If you buy, UnlockCellular is an offical reseller. Very trustworthy.

Posted by: frostbite_1

Quote:

Originally posted by anlog
And what will you do with the files? Unless you have a copy of Fighter, they are useless to you. They are encrypted binary AVR/ARM dumps.

Hi mate can you send me the file? I have a Se fighter & i am in Uk

Cherrs

Posted by: Cheech

It's crazy that SE kept the PRO support from us P900 users. Don't they want to sell any???

I do expect a firmware revision to include this feature especially if the P910 is a flop

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by frostbite_1
Hi mate can you send me the file? I have a Se fighter & i am in Uk

Cherrs

I don't have the files hosted. If you have Fighter you can find them at the support site.

Posted by: fijbert

prooves my theory again that the P910i is basically a P900 with more memory and a useless keyboard

Posted by: nemik

Quote:

Originally posted by fijbert
prooves my theory again that the P910i is basically a P900 with more memory and a useless keyboard

and a fw upgrade. wow what a scam. its much like the t68m -> t68i thing SE tried to pull.

Posted by: fijbert

I sure hope the P910i is a crash and burn
trying to rip us off like that

Posted by: anlog

Not really a scam, but definitely a kick in the face...

I will still be purchasing the P910a when it comes out for the following three reasons...

1.) 64MB storage (as opposed to 16MB)
2.) 32MB RAM (as opposed to 16MB). No more "Out Of Memory" messages from Opera!
3.) 850MHz support.

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by Cheech
I do expect a firmware revision to include this feature especially if the P910 is a flop

I wouldn't count on it...

Posted by: mobilezen

Do you plan on swapping out the screen as well?

Posted by: 100thMonkey

what's the word on 850?

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by mobilezen
Do you plan on swapping out the screen as well?

A screen swap will work, but I'm not going to bother with that. I will eventually purchase a P910a and sell my converted P900...

Posted by: 100thMonkey

what do you do about registering all your apps since they are bound to the IMEI?

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by 100thMonkey
what's the word on 850?

Speak of the Devil!

I just got through testing that. 850MHz does NOT work with the P900's radio...

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by 100thMonkey
what do you do about registering all your apps since they are bound to the IMEI?

That is a GOOD question. I will have to discuss that with the vendors, I suppose...

Posted by: 100thMonkey

bummer on both counts...

Posted by: UnlockCellular

Thanks, anlog!!

Any idea where I can get a good deal on P9XX before I jump to eeebbbaayyyy

I am tired of treo 600...

Quote:

Originally posted by anlog
Yes. If you buy, UnlockCellular is an offical reseller. Very trustworthy.

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by UnlockCellular
Thanks, anlog!!

Any idea where I can get a good deal on P9XX before I jump to eeebbbaayyyy I am tired of treo 600...

P900 + eBay = SCARY

Believe it or not, you can find some good deals in the local classifieds (or the Recycler, if you have it out there). Also check pawn shops (online and actual stores).

If that doesn't pan out, you can begin your "quest" for a legitimate P900 auction...

Posted by: nemik

yep i got mine from an online pawnshop. superpawn.com. they listed it as used but mint. i didn't beleive them but at $463 shipped, it was too good to pass up. to be careful, i ordered with my AMEX card because their protection is the best.

the phone came...and it was OEM US verison BRAND NEW! the box was just a little banged up, but everything inside was shrinkwrapped still (like DSS-25 and such) and the phone was never even turned on. i know because it asked me for a language when i turned it on and also because the screen protector was still on too (and not just placed back on there but seemed to be from the facotry).
it was the deal of a lifetime, i love it. 2 dead pixels piss me off a little sometimes but its nothing serious.

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by punkserb
2 dead pixels piss me off a little sometimes but its nothing serious.

OUCH. Where are the dead pixels?

The top left pixel on my screen is dead. I figure it couldn't be in a better place!

You can get P900 LCD's for $100 now...

Posted by: BigFeat

Quote:

Originally posted by punkserb
the phone was never even turned on. i know because it asked me for a language when i turned it on and also because the screen protector was still on too (and not just placed back on there but seemed to be from the facotry).
it was the deal of a lifetime, i love it. 2 dead pixels piss me off a little sometimes but its nothing serious.

FYI: When a phone reset is performed the phone will ALWAYS ask for the language of choice once powered on. That's what 'reset' does - Try it.. So I don't think that's a good way to detect whether it was used or new. Moreover, the plastic covers don't mean it's straight from factory. If you've ever had a phone serviced by SE before the refurbished unit will ALWAYS have a screen protector. Some do get fool by the screen protector. I have asked some official SE repair techs whether the replacements were refurbished or new and the state that all their phones leave the factory with a protector for packaging pursoses only. It doesn't mean they are new. So screen protectors are just part of the packaging process. So I highly would not suggest relying on those two facets. And the 2 dead pixels tell me that you should be suspect about your unit. That doesn't seem like it passed any QA check coming off that assembly line m8. One should look for places that offer internal warranties (ie exchanges/replacements). As long as you can trail your money to the vendor then I think all should be safe.

Posted by: anlog

SE has told me (more than once) that a phone's warranty is non-transferrable from one user to another. Saying you're the original owner of the phone often fixes this, unless they want a proof of purchase.

$463 for a P900 is a really good deal, whether or not it's refurbished (I personally don't have a problem with refurbished goods, as long as they are discounted substantially). As for hardware problems, if the phone makes it through the first week without any problems, it's unlikely that there's anything major wrong with it.

I try to use vendors that allow returns without a restocking fee (for obvious reasons), but these are becoming quite rare nowadays...

Posted by: nemik

yea i guess it could have been refurbished...

thanks a LOT bigfeat!

one pixel is always red so its ok, not very noticable, i got a dark theme anyway.

and the other is also on the top left for me!!! it is always white BUT only with the flip open. as soon as the flip is closed, that pixel is fine....

and i just looked, its 04W08 so i guess could be refurb...oh well. i still love it. its a good price. and its brand new!

Posted by: getagrip15

Has anyone sent off their phone to be upgraded yet????

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by getagrip15
Has anyone sent off their phone to be upgraded yet????

I have two people from HoFo bringing me their phones tomorrow for the upgrade (and more lined up next week). I will ask them to post their results.

Posted by: varunreddy

anlog will the 900mhz band still work after updating to the P910a firmware?

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by varunreddy
anlog will the 900mhz band still work after updating to the P910a firmware?

Yes, the P910a firmware doesn't affect the bandlocks. The phone will continue to operate correctly at 900/1800/1900MHz.

I tested the phone to see if it would work with 850MHz. It wouldn't...

Posted by: varunreddy

Quote:

Originally posted by anlog
Yes, the P910a firmware doesn't affect the bandlocks. The phone will continue to operate correctly at 900/1800/1900MHz.

I tested the phone to see if it would work with 850MHz. It wouldn't...

would you know if there are any other differences between the p910a and p910i other than the 850/900 band.

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by varunreddy
would you know if there are any other differences between the p910a and p910i other than the 850/900 band.

The only differences are the 850MHz vs. 900MHz thing and the language packs available for the phone (the P910a supports Spanish, UK English, US English, French, and Portuguese). Other than that they are identical.

Posted by: varunreddy

Quote:

Originally posted by anlog
The only differences are the 850MHz vs. 900MHz thing and the language packs available for the phone (the P910a supports Spanish, UK English, US English, French, and Portuguese). Other than that they are identical.

thanks anlog

Can I pm you about converting my p900 to a p910? Also will the phone be able to read upto 1gb duos like the p910 or only upto 256?

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by varunreddy
thanks anlog
Can I pm you about converting my p900 to a p910? Also will the phone be able to read upto 1gb duos like the p910 or only upto 256?

PM me.

Yes, the phone will support 1GB cards. I only used a 256MB one as an example...

Posted by: SKYDIVER1971

would it be possable to flash the phone with TWISTER

Posted by: Global Mobility

@anlog,

I just flashed my P900 to a P910a, and everything seemed to run a bit slower than normal. Is this normal? Any news on whether the phone retains its ability to work on 900MHz? A customer came into my office yesterday requesting this, but I was reluctant because I did not want to rid their phone of its capability to work on 900MHz.

As for T-Mobile at 1900MHz in the SoCal area, it seems to be working pretty well as long as I don't change the bandlocks.

Good job! And nice pictures!

Posted by: Homer314

a p800--->900/910 upgrade is possible ?

Posted by: Totalfixation

Anyone know how to save all my jotters and SMS? before i head out to analogs place to update my firmware?

Posted by: richy240

Do a full backup dude. That way you can restore after the update, assuming this will work. Can you restore a P800 backup on a P900? Can you even backup a P800? I've never used one...

Posted by: BillB

Quote:

Originally posted by Homer314
a p800--->900/910 upgrade is possible ?

The main reason it is not possible to put the P900/910 production firmwares directly onto a P800 is because the P800's memory is too small for the new firmware.

As of today, the P800 is still a pretty sophisticated smart phone, and SE could support it with firmware improvements including bug fixes *even if they charged a service fee for updates*. And they could do this for the P900 owners too. But if history repeats itself, SE will leave P900 owners high and dry just like the P800 owners.

Posted by: Totalfixation

Quote:

Originally posted by richy240
Do a full backup dude. That way you can restore after the update, assuming this will work. Can you restore a P800 backup on a P900? Can you even backup a P800? I've never used one...

I cant do a full back up, if i do that it. i wont be able to restore. Thats what is said by analog

So does anyone still know how i can save my Jotter and SMS onto my computer?

Posted by: Homer314

Quote:

Originally posted by BillB
The main reason it is not possible to put the P900/910 production firmwares directly onto a P800 is because the P800's memory is too small for the new firmware.

As of today, the P800 is still a pretty sophisticated smart phone, and SE could support it with firmware improvements including bug fixes *even if they charged a service fee for updates*. And they could do this for the P900 owners too. But if history repeats itself, SE will leave P900 owners high and dry just like the P800 owners.

Firmware's size is largest than 12Mb ?

Posted by: BigFeat

Quote:

Originally posted by Totalfixation
I cant do a full back up, if i do that it. i wont be able to restore. Thats what is said by analog

So does anyone still know how i can save my Jotter and SMS onto my computer?

Get Desktop Message. It was developed some time ago for the P800. It literrally downloads all your SMSes from the phone onto your pc where it allows you to reply and even create new messages from your PC. With the caveat that your unit is connected to the cradle during the session. Once you've transferred everything you can save room on your phone by just leaving the msgs on the PC where it's still viewable. It works for P900/P910 as well.

As far as jotter, you need to just do a Synchronization with Outlook. That's different from the backup utility. Once you go into outlook you'll see all your jotted notes under the 'NOTES' task bar. I use Outlook to create new notes sometimes and transfer them back and forth from my PC to Pxxx.

Posted by: gene9

The P900 is kind of a dog when it comes to working with iSync. Some tweaking can be performed on the iSync end but apparently there's some issues with the P900's bluetooth and SyncML implementation. Like with my PowerBook with built-in bluetooth, every bluetooth thing I've tried discovers, pairs and maintains a connection perfectly except for my P900.

So now I wonder, can anyone comment on the p910 firmware's performance when it comes to working with iSync ??

Thanks !!!

PS: One thing to look forward to is that the next version of OS X (Tiger) will apparently merge iSync into the OS and make it open for development and scripting. I'm hoping that it's possible to create an AppleScript that performs perfect P9xx/P1xxx syncing, including proper category mapping (I'll try to write the script then).

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

You DEFINITELY cannot restore a P900 cradle backup to a TRUE P910 (hardware differences, etc). Some people, however, have tried restoring their backups to the P910 conversion. It works, but the phone becomes REALLY slow...

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by SKYDIVER1971
would it be possable to flash the phone with TWISTER

These firmware images are "mutants", custom created for the P900 hardware by the Fighter team. The Twister developers would have to create the same thing themselves, because Twister can't use encrypted Fighter flash files...

Posted by: anlog

This is day 3 of using my converted P900, and it is as fast as ever. Definitely not slower than the original P900 firmware.

It is my understanding that the P900 firmware images do not affect bandlocks in any way (like they do on other SE phones - i.e. T610/K700/T637/etc).

The bandlock remains set at 900/1800/1900MHz, and the phone continues to work at those frequencies.

I bandlocked my phone to 850MHz yesterday, and it did not catch a signal...

Just do what I do: give the customer 30 days to decide if they want to keep their phone that way. If they don't, I flash it back for free. Done 7 conversions already, and no one has taken me up on that offer yet (they are too busy listening to MP3's from their 512MB cards!)...

Quote:

Originally posted by Global Mobility
@anlog,

I just flashed my P900 to a P910a, and everything seemed to run a bit slower than normal. Is this normal? Any news on whether the phone retains its ability to work on 900MHz? A customer came into my office yesterday requesting this, but I was reluctant because I did not want to rid their phone of its capability to work on 900MHz.

As for T-Mobile at 1900MHz in the SoCal area, it seems to be working pretty well as long as I don't change the bandlocks.

Good job! And nice pictures!

Posted by: UnlockCellular

Thats correct. As far I as know, FIGHTER is the only one offering this capability at the moment.

Now back to buying P900, I saw some threads about getting some deal in HK... is that true? I am sure this topic has been discussed so many times but .....

Quote:

Originally posted by anlog
These firmware images are "mutants", custom created for the P900 hardware by the Fighter team. The Twister developers would have to create the same thing themselves, because Twister can't use encrypted Fighter flash files...

Posted by: molski

Hi Guys,

This is my 1st post here and I got a few questions regarding the P900 P910a conversion.

Every P900 owner now knows this is possible with the modified P910a firmware in combination with a Fighter Kit.

I live in Holland, so I want to know if it's maybe possible to put on the .SIS file containing the Dutch language, or should give this any problems?
Now we are talking about Holland, are there people here that live in Holland with a Fighter Kit that live near Amsterdam maybe? I already know 1 guy that has the kit, but he lives on the other side of the country (not that our country is THAT big

), in in the worst situation I have to meet him there, because I WANT THE FIRMWARE IN MY PHONE

.

Does anybody maybe knows if there also is coming a modified firmware from the P910i ?
Or does everybody that convert their P900 into a P910a has to stick with the languages from "a" and with the problem that we cannot update it through the SE Update Service?

Regards,

Molski
http://p900.molski.nl

Posted by: BigFeat

I'm flying to Amsterdam in late October. I know a couple guys over there that has the kit. They;re actually mobile phone vendors, but they offer flash/unlocking services and such. If you want you can either wait till I get there and meet up with me then or you can send me your details and I'll forward it to them. I really don't want to put their business out there without their consent first. Let me know.

Quote:

Originally posted by molski
Hi Guys,

This is my 1st post here and I got a few questions regarding the P900 P910a conversion.

Every P900 owner now knows this is possible with the modified P910a firmware in combination with a Fighter Kit.

I live in Holland, so I want to know if it's maybe possible to put on the .SIS file containing the Dutch language, or should give this any problems?
Now we are talking about Holland, are there people here that live in Holland with a Fighter Kit that live near Amsterdam maybe? I already know 1 guy that has the kit, but he lives on the other side of the country (not that our country is THAT big ), in in the worst situation I have to meet him there, because I WANT THE FIRMWARE IN MY PHONE .

Does anybody maybe knows if there also is coming a modified firmware from the P910i ?
Or does everybody that convert their P900 into a P910a has to stick with the languages from "a" and with the problem that we cannot update it through the SE Update Service?

Regards,

Molski
http://p900.molski.nl

Posted by: Starbucks

Global Mobility
Will you be offering this as a service in the future?

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by Starbucks
Global Mobility
Will you be offering this as a service in the future?

I'll beat ANYONE'S price...

Posted by: getagrip15

Anlog, Just thought I'd let you know that I plan on getting my phone converted in about a week. Just wanna give things a while to settle down and see what happens with those who have already had this service. I'm in NC, how long do you think it'll take to get my phone back once it gets there? I've already been lookin around at 512 mb cards now! You're a genius man! I'll be watching closely how things are going and i'll prob have plenty of questions for you.
Anyone have any comments that have had the conversion done?

Posted by: anlog

Check your PM's...

I've done all of the P900's we have here at work, and I've got two guys from HoFo coming down this afternoon for the conversion. I'll ask them to post their results...

Quote:

Originally posted by getagrip15
Anlog, Just thought I'd let you know that I plan on getting my phone converted in about a week. Just wanna give things a while to settle down and see what happens with those who have already had this service. I'm in NC, how long do you think it'll take to get my phone back once it gets there? I've already been lookin around at 512 mb cards now! You're a genius man! I'll be watching closely how things are going and i'll prob have plenty of questions for you.
Anyone have any comments that have had the conversion done?

Posted by: getagrip15

I just emailed SE to ask them if they plan on doing anything to satisfy their existing customers and release an upgrade for us. I think we all should email them so they know what we want. Here's the link http://www.sonyericsson.com/spg.jsp...ps1_1&pid=10101

Posted by: anlog

For those of you that have already done the conversion and are experiencing slowness, try formatting the internal disk of the phone from the service menu (and post your results). This seems to speed the phone up tremendously!

Posted by: Baseballfanz

Quote:

Originally posted by getagrip15
I just emailed SE to ask them if they plan on doing anything to satisfy their existing customers and release an upgrade for us. I think we all should email them so they know what we want. Here's the link http://www.sonyericsson.com/spg.jsp...ps1_1&pid=10101

I wished that's what they would have done, but from a marketing standpoint, they would not be able sell any P910 if you are able to upgrade your P900.

Posted by: ItsPat

Mine will becoming your way eventually too.

Posted by: Baseballfanz

Quote:

Originally posted by ItsPat
Mine will becoming your way eventually too.

I'm going to wait a couple of week and see feedback from those who have it, see if there's any bugs or major problems.

Posted by: getagrip15

THis is a bit off topic, but since we're talkin about converting here, does anyone know if a P910 casing will fit a P900? Without the flip, obviously.

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by getagrip15
THis is a bit off topic, but since we're talkin about converting here, does anyone know if a P910 casing will fit a P900? Without the flip, obviously.

Nope, specifically because of the flip (old flip won't work with new housing, etc).

Posted by: Global Mobility

Quote:

Originally posted by Starbucks
Global Mobility
Will you be offering this as a service in the future?

Sorry, this is anlog's thread, and I don't want to hijack it. I'll refrain from answering in this thread.

Good question, though.

Regards,

Posted by: cizake

Hi,

I am new on this forum, but i could not resist to register.

Anlog I *need* to convert my phone but i'm located in Central Europe.

Do you have someone to recommend for such conversion in Europe ??

Great job btw!!

Cizake

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by cizake
Hi,

I am new on this forum, but i could not resist to register.

Anlog I *need* to convert my phone but i'm located in Central Europe.

Do you have someone to recommend for such conversion in Europe ??

Great job btw!!

Cizake

Welcome to HoFo!

Check your private messages for more info...

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by Global Mobility
Sorry, this is anlog's thread, and I don't want to hijack it. I'll refrain from answering in this thread.

Good question, though.

Regards,

Oh Sung you know I'm only kidding!!!

A little competition is always a good thing! You and Rick have hooked me up so many times, I owe you big time!

I'll still beat anyone's price though!!!

P.S. - I still need that T28 service cable. You gonna be around this weekend or next week?

Posted by: LOM

Since I have a P800 now. Is it worth to upgrade directly to P910i because of the 262k color. Or I can't tell the difference between 65k to 262k color. Thank you. U guys are great.

Posted by: Totalfixation

opps doubled posted

Posted by: Totalfixation

I just wanted to say to those who are interested in doing this, I just went to Analog's place today and he did flash the phone for me, it is working great, so far everything was good, slow at first but was, oh btw analog the phone is working just the same without having to delete all the predefind stuff. i have to admit im very happy. so for those who want to get it updated, just send it to analog he is a trust worthy guy, i gurantee you this

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by Totalfixation
I just wanted to say to those who are interested in doing this, I just went to Analog's place today and he did flash the phone for me, it is working great, so far everything was good, slow at first but was, oh btw analog the phone is working just the same without having to delete all the predefind stuff. i have to admit im very happy. so for those who want to get it updated, just send it to analog he is a trust worthy guy, i gurantee you this

Thank you for the kind words! It was nice meeting you, too!

Glad to hear you are happy with the upgrade! So the slowness has gone away without having to format the internal disk? I did another HoFo member's P900 right after you left (Alvin, please don't forget to post your thoughts on the upgrade). I made sure to format the disk and the phone's speed immediately increased.

Once again, thank you for your business. Now you just gotta pick up some 512MB memory cards!

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by LOM
Since I have a P800 now. Is it worth to upgrade directly to P910i because of the 262k color. Or I can't tell the difference between 65k to 262k color. Thank you. U guys are great.

The jump from the P800's screen to the P910's is huge. From the P900 to the P910 it's not that much better - just a lot brighter and easier to see in the sun, but nowhere near as vibrant (color-wise) as other 262k screens...

Posted by: alvinrc

Quote:

Originally posted by anlog
Thank you for the kind words! It was nice meeting you, too!

Glad to hear you are happy with the upgrade! So the slowness has gone away without having to format the internal disk? I did another HoFo member's P900 right after you left (Alvin, please don't forget to post your thoughts on the upgrade). I made sure to format the disk and the phone's speed immediately increased.

Once again, thank you for your business. Now you just gotta pick up some 512MB memory cards!

So far so good! I'll pick up my 512 MB tomorrow, can't wait to try it on and load my mp3's on it. Formatted my internal disk and so far its been running smooth. Thanks Anlog. Nice doing business with you. This guy's "da bomb".

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by alvinrc
So far so good! I'll pick up my 512 MB tomorrow, can't wait to try it on and load my mp3's on it. Formatted my internal disk and so far its been running smooth. Thanks Anlog. Nice doing business with you. This guy's "da bomb".

Thanks, Alvin!

Posted by: petrutms

can you tell me how much free ram shows sman after a power on on converted p900?

Posted by: LOM

thank you very much for you info. Then for me from P800 to P910i would be worth it. Thanx again.

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by petrutms
can you tell me how much free ram shows sman after a power on on converted p900?

5992KB with SMAN running...

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by LOM
thank you very much for you info. Then for me from P800 to P910i would be worth it. Thanx again.

I definitely think it would...

I will be upgrading from a P900 to a P910a, because I need 850/1900MHz here in the USA...

Posted by: Totalfixation

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Quote:

Originally posted by anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by LOM
thank you very much for you info. Then for me from P800 to P910i would be worth it. Thanx again.

I definitely think it would...

I will be upgrading from a P900 to a P910a, because I need 850/1900MHz here in the USA...

Why 850?

Posted by: Kajjy

Just wished I was also in the US ha ha. Guess I'll have to wait first to decide if I want to get the upgrade.....some dude here's charging 20 odd bucks for the flash process......

Posted by: Global Mobility

anlog,

How well does your bluetooth headset work after the upgrade? A friend had his upgraded by me today and his old Jabra BT200 works fine, but his HBH-65 is having some problems.

Also, formatting the internal disk helped speed up the P900 a bit. I can definitely see/feel the difference afterwards.

Regards,

Posted by: McCoy

My situtation is simillar to cizake's: I live in Spain, and I want to get my P900 flashed. I've asked some flashing shops I know about this matter, but got no answer so far. Anlog, do you happend to know where can I flash my P900 to P910 here in Spain?

I wouldn't mind to send my P900 to you to get it flashed (shipping expenses payed by me of course), but it seems you don't accept shipments from outside the US...

I really can't wait to be finally able to carry a decent amount of OGGs in my P900!!

Thank you in advance mate

Posted by: molski

I thought the P910a had 262k screen...look at this:

http://www.sonyericsson.com/spg.jsp...10185&pid=10185

(Text below the 1st picture: )
Full throttle, arcade-style gaming
The P910a is all set to give you an arcade-style gaming experience. The large 65,536 color screen, easy-maneuvered controls and sound and force feedback: Full body contact gaming.

WTF!?!.....65,536 color screen?? I thought it was a 262k color screen?

Maybe just a dumb fault (one of the many!) of SE ?

Molski

Posted by: sbjg

Can I send my P900 from India?. I dont think m P900 will get upgraded in my lifetime in India

Posted by: ~~NeYo~~

Quote:

Originally posted by anlog
Welcome to HoFo!

Check your private messages for more info...

Anlog, i am in the UK, and would love to get my P900 upgraded. If you've anybody i could speak 2 about it, that would be cool... Thanks man.

Steve

Posted by: jhlvictor

hi, analog, i live in hawaii, can i ship my phone to you, or may i get your address in CA? i might go up there for a trip soon so i may can get my p900 conversion the same time. and what is your service charge? thank you.

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by Totalfixation
Why 850?

I frequently visit rural areas that only have 850MHz. I will also be heading on a few business trips in the next 6 months to some 850MHz only zones...

I suppose I could just carry around my spare T616 and use that when needed. In fact, I still might do that, since I'm not really anxious to spend $800 on a P910a...

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by Global Mobility
anlog,

How well does your bluetooth headset work after the upgrade? A friend had his upgraded by me today and his old Jabra BT200 works fine, but his HBH-65 is having some problems.

Also, formatting the internal disk helped speed up the P900 a bit. I can definitely see/feel the difference afterwards.

Regards,

I also heard about someone having an issue. Are there two ways to pair the HBH-65 with the phone (enhanced mode vs. standard mode) ??? I know that enhanced mode pairing won't work with any headset.

You flashed his Bluetooth chip, right? Perhaps if you flash it back to the old P900 version, it will work again.

Please let us know how it turns out...

Posted by: anlog

Check your PM's...

Quote:

Originally posted by McCoy
My situtation is simillar to cizake's: I live in Spain, and I want to get my P900 flashed. I've asked some flashing shops I know about this matter, but got no answer so far. Anlog, do you happend to know where can I flash my P900 to P910 here in Spain?

I wouldn't mind to send my P900 to you to get it flashed (shipping expenses payed by me of course), but it seems you don't accept shipments from outside the US...

I really can't wait to be finally able to carry a decent amount of OGGs in my P900!!

Thank you in advance mate

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by molski
I thought the P910a had 262k screen...look at this:

http://www.sonyericsson.com/spg.jsp...10185&pid=10185

(Text below the 1st picture: )
Full throttle, arcade-style gaming
The P910a is all set to give you an arcade-style gaming experience. The large 65,536 color screen, easy-maneuvered controls and sound and force feedback: Full body contact gaming.

WTF!?!.....65,536 color screen?? I thought it was a 262k color screen?

Maybe just a dumb fault (one of the many!) of SE ?

Molski

I think it is just a misprint... They probably copied and pasted from the old P900 marketing materials...

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by jhlvictor
hi, analog, i live in hawaii, can i ship my phone to you, or may i get your address in CA? i might go up there for a trip soon so i may can get my p900 conversion the same time. and what is your service charge? thank you.

Check your PM's...

Posted by: cmc0

Anlog,

If I have an Orange P900 here that's been raped by Orange with menu/theme/ and startup logo locks, would you be able to flash it to a generic P910a fw without any Orange branding?

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by cmc0
Anlog,

If I have an Orange P900 here that's been raped by Orange with menu/theme/ and startup logo locks, would you be able to flash it to a generic P910a fw without any Orange branding?

Check your PM's...

Posted by: anlog

Well it looks like we've found our first bug with the conversion. SE HBH200 and HBH65 headsets don't work with the upgraded phone, even if the old Bluetooth firmware is flashed back.

Jabra headsets work fine, though...

Posted by: anlog

Even though the conversion uses the P910a firmware, additional languages can be added to the phone (just like they could with the P900).

However, the only languages available for the P910 at this time are:

Deutsch (German)
Français (French)
Italiano (Italian)
Svenska (Swedish)

Once the P910i and P910a hit the mainstream market, I'm sure we'll see many more languages available.

Posted by: Lundmark

They're already out around here.

Posted by: Cheech

According to the P910 white paper, 262K is only used when viewing fullscreen pictures??? WTF

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by Cheech
According to the P910 white paper, 262K is only used when viewing fullscreen pictures??? WTF

Now that's VERY interesting! Can't wait to hear some more details about that...

Posted by: getagrip15

Has anyone tried using an HBH-600 headset yet? Do any SE headsets work with the converted phones?

Posted by: ItsPat

Does anyone with the converted P900 -> P910a see any screen flicker?

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by ItsPat
Does anyone with the converted P900 -> P910a see any screen flicker?

No screen flicker, but we've definitely got some Bluetooth issues that need to be announced.

First off, let me say that every non-Bluetooth function of the phone works fine and is 100% stable. So far the ONLY issues we've found are Bluetooth related.

There are definite hardware differences in the Bluetooth modules of the P900 and P910. With a converted phone using this first batch of firmwares:

1. HBH headsets will not work. Period.
2. Jabra headsets work for all functions EXCEPT answering a call with the headset. You can answer the call with the handset, then switch it to the headset without problems. Voice dialing to initiate a call works fine.

Other Bluetooth headsets have not been tested yet, and Bluetooth connectivity between phone and computer has not been tested yet.

The original P900 Bluetooth firmware was flashed back to the phone, but the problems still exist, which leads us to believe that it is one of three problems:

1. This beta version of Symbian has Bluetooth problems both on the P900 and P910, and could be corrected with another conversion kit using newer firmwares.
2. The Bluetooth problems originate in these "mutant" firmwares, and can be fixed with a better constructed conversion kit.
3. There is no way to eliminate these problems when converting the P900 to a P910.

Bad news, indeed, IF you use a Bluetooth headset. If you don't, you have nothing to worry about with the conversion.

Anyone have any additional insight to add?

Posted by: alvinrc

Got my 512MB stick this morning for my P900 that Anlog converted to P910 and it rocks! Copied over 30 MP3's on it already!

Speed of the phone is much much better after formatting the internal disk. Thanks Anlog!

Posted by: TommyG

First post, just had to register for this "revolution"

Ok, I have the same question like many... I'm from Belgium, does anybody know a place where I can get it done overhere? Netherlands would be ok too, that's not so far for me...
Contact me via pm please...

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by alvinrc
Got my 512MB stick this morning for my P900 that Anlog converted to P910 and it rocks! Copied over 30 MP3's on it already!

Speed of the phone is much much better after formatting the internal disk. Thanks Anlog!

Glad to hear you are enjoying the phone!

Posted by: BigFeat

Quote:

[i]
Anyone have any additional insight to add? [/B]

I think an important BT device to investigate are BT GPS modules. If one depends on GPS for navigation there's no way of getting around not having the module function properly any more. I think it's actually more critical then the headset issues at the moment.

I have tons of BT headsets to test. 19 to be exact. I have the entire SE BT headset line plus some from other manufacturers like Nexlink, Motorola, and Nokia. I have observed that all these headsets don't behave the same in combination with the P800/P900 anyway. The SE headsets are usually finicky and not stable after a couple months use. For instance, some of these headsets are usable while the P800/P900 is paired with a BT GPS module. That is uncharacteristic as the P800/P900 is only supposed to allow one unit to pair at a time.

As far as resolving some of the issues you've encountered, can we first confirm whether the issues are seen in the P910? Moreover, is there anyway to flash the original P900 BT firmware profile back to the phone? I think it's best to elliminate some variables off the bat (ie P910 BT handling efficiency).

Posted by: sbjg

Analog, I have one very simple question. ..

Is it possible to *just* change some single *module* inside the P900 so that it start recognizing memory > 128MB?. I think a vast majority of the population wont have access to flashing and so, if we could just replace (say some system file) to do this and then reboot the P900, it would be great!.

I think lots of people just want more memory capabilities and if a genious like you can do it, it would be great!. I somehow think this should be possible instead of having to re-flash the whole machine. What do you think?

Posted by: BigFeat

Quote:

Originally posted by sbjg
Analog, I have one very simple question. ..

Is it possible to *just* change some single *module* inside the P900 so that it start recognizing memory > 128MB?. I think a vast majority of the population wont have access to flashing and so, if we could just replace (say some system file) to do this and then reboot the P900, it would be great!.

I think lots of people just want more memory capabilities and if a genious like you can do it, it would be great!. I somehow think this should be possible instead of having to re-flash the whole machine. What do you think?

That would still constitute a firmware flash m8. There are critical sectors of the P900 that is absolutely not accessible through simple system tree navigation by a user. That's why firmware flashing needs to wipe the phone first and place an entirely new image on there. I don't think there's any surgical way of modifying profiles or sectors on a Pxxx without compromising the entire system.

Posted by: anlog

My worry is that you need the new UIQ version to utilize the MS Pro DUO support. That is more than just "one file". Even if it were that simple, the file(s) would still have to be located in the flash ROM, which means you'd have to create another custom firmware and reflash the phone.

As for me being a genius, don't get too carried away. I am just a messenger...

The original P900 Bluetooth firmware was flashed back to the phone, but the problems persist. My suspicion is that this whole time we have been flashing the SAME P900 BT firmware to the phone, thinking there were two different versions (they just had different file names). This is because the P910's native BT firmware won't work on the P900.

So, my guess is that we are dealing with a P900 Bluetooth hardware vs. P910 UIQ conflict.

Without sounding totally dismal, I think this is about as "stable" as we're gonna get, until another conversion kit is released. I'm trying my hardest to get the powers that be to make another with the production P910i firmware.

So (for now), the conversion is ideal for three kinds of people:

1. Those who don't use Bluetooth
2. Those who use a Jabra and can live with its small quirks
3. Those who put more weight on having MS Pro DUO support than having a 100% working Bluetooth implementation

Posted by: BigFeat

Quote:

Originally posted by anlog

So (for now), the conversion is ideal for three kinds of people:

1. Those who don't use Bluetooth
2. Those who use a Jabra and can live with its small quirks
3. Those who put more weight on having MS Pro DUO support than having a 100% working Bluetooth implementation

Keep us up-to-date about the other BT devices m8.

Posted by: GoR

Only one think regarding bluetooth...

The SE P900/800 Does have a BIG problem with HANDSFREE PROFILE. It has not got this profile.

Because of that the P900/800 Does NOT work with cars with factory bluetooth option, as BMW, Crysler, Toyota, Lexus, etc...

The Nokia 6600 and all Smartphones with Symbian does NOT work too. But all other phones without symbian seems to work fine.

So the problem is that Symbian don't support HANDSFREE profile.

Thats why a lot of people from other forums have emailed-bombing SE to fix this big problem

BUT (here is the main difference) the new Symbian for P910 DOES SUPPORT IT. I think they have changed something in the hardware and in the software to make it work whit the Handsfree Profile.

If anyone can try his P910 or P900 Upgraded with one of this cars please let us know...

Analog... keep good work!

Posted by: petrutms

please check if converted p900 works ok with computers via bluetooth. Is very important to me. I need to use bluetooth modem and file trasfer. Thanks. Tommorow i want to flash to p910a, so i need to know if bt works with pc.

Posted by: molski

What I also would like to know, is it possible to change the P900 case with a case of an P910 (when there will be cases for sale...). Does the P900 keyboard still fit with the P910 case? Then you really got a super-tweaked P900

Molski

Posted by: jabe

Are just the headphones that don't work via BT or is BT useless in general after the upgrade.

I'm especially interested in synchronization (via PC Suite). Can any of you people who've already converted try this and report. Thanks!

Of all the things that could go wrong, BT is the one

Posted by: petrutms

c'mon people, no one can check if bt works ok with pc?

Posted by: getagrip15

Quote:

Originally posted by anlog
I'm trying my hardest to get the powers that be to make another with the production P910i firmware.

So (for now), the conversion is ideal for three kinds of people:

1. Those who don't use Bluetooth
2. Those who use a Jabra and can live with its small quirks
3. Those who put more weight on having MS Pro DUO support than having a 100% working Bluetooth implementation

mike,
How likely do you think it is that a new modified p910 firmware will be released? And if it is, what kind of time frame do you foresee? Thanks

Posted by: Tapirus

Hi folks,
I think of a very simple solution now.
Using TotalCommander and the Symbian Plugin you can access every file of your P900 on the A, C and Z-drive.
Can someone find out what files have to be exchanged with the 910a version´s to make

- the large Memory Sticks work, and
- enhance the connection quality?

There is no big risk in trying. You can always restore the previous files as long as you do not touch the start files.

Think about this.

Tapirus.

edit:
Or someone can send me the directories and files of the A and Z-drive of a P910a phone.
Then I try it and post the result here.

Posted by: Baseballfanz

Quote:

Originally posted by Tapirus
Hi folks,
I think of a very simple solution now.
Using TotalCommander and the Symbian Plugin you can access every file of your P900 on the A, C and Z-drive.
Can someone find out what files have to be exchanged with the 910a version´s to make

- the large Memory Sticks work, and
- enhance the connection quality?

There is no big risk in trying. You can always restore the previous files as long as you do not touch the start files.

Think about this.

Tapirus.

If there's no risk, why don't you try it and let us know how it went.

Posted by: Tapirus

Quote:

Originally posted by Baseballfanz
If there's no risk, why don't you try it and let us know how it went.

I do that if someone sends me the dump of the system directories (A and Z-drive) of a P910a!
There is no other way to check. Replace single system files and see the result after a restart, or?

Hexediting without a clue is senseless.

Tapirus.

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by Tapirus
I do that if someone sends me the dump of the system directories (A and Z-drive) of a P910a!
There is no other way to check. Replace single system files and see the result after a restart, or?

Hexediting without a clue is senseless.

Tapirus.

It is my understanding that the low level hardware support (i.e. MS Pro DUO) is in the new Symbian kernel, and is not just a file or two that can be "dropped" into a directory.

If that were the case, the expert who created the custom fimrware images would have done that instead.

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by getagrip15
mike,
How likely do you think it is that a new modified p910 firmware will be released? And if it is, what kind of time frame do you foresee? Thanks

Not likely in the immediate future. He's a busy guy, working on K700 flashing/unlocking.

Perhaps in a month or two...

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by petrutms
c'mon people, no one can check if bt works ok with pc?

All of you should be following Sung's thread as well, located here .

He has been doing some BT connectivity testing...

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by molski
What I also would like to know, is it possible to change the P900 case with a case of an P910 (when there will be cases for sale...). Does the P900 keyboard still fit with the P910 case? Then you really got a super-tweaked P900

Molski

P900 will not fit into the P910 housing. You also cannot swap the keypads (different pinout).

Posted by: anlog

OOOH LA LA!!

Looks like we are having some HBH problems on REAL P910i's...

Check this ...

Posted by: Tapirus

Quote:

Originally posted by anlog
It is my understanding that the low level hardware support (i.e. MS Pro DUO) is in the new Symbian kernel, and is not just a file or two that can be "dropped" into a directory.

If that were the case, the expert who created the custom fimrware images would have done that instead.

Hi anlog,
nice to get to know you.
The Symbian kernel seems to be organized in files like DOS, NT and Linux.
And it seems that there is not the classical ROM on the P900; state of the art, fully open system.
The startup and close logos and melody is even in a directory that I can write to.
I think that the relevant files lie open in front of me and wait to be exchanged and tested.
They are mostly in Z:\system\libs
My favorite files that might do the MemoryStick addressing are
MemoryManager.dll 1.304 bytes 12.12.2003 14.00
MemoryManagerServer.dll 21.224 bytes 12.12.2003 14.00

On the other hand I can see lots of files that look like the bluetooth system files. These could help your P910a conversions and restore full bluetooth functionality.

What do you think? PM me.

Quote:

Originally posted by anlog
OOOH LA LA!!

Looks like we are having some HBH problems on REAL P910i's...

Check this ...

I had exactly the same problem with my P900 and a Jabra 250. I found in one of the manuals under problem handling that a repeated bonding will help.
Surprise: After the fourth bonding the connection was stable. For the correct initiation of the BT connection I had to switch the Jabra on before activating BT on the P900 though.

Tapirus.

Posted by: OffLineR

@Tapirus

Quote:

nice to get to know you.
The Symbian kernel seems to be organized in files likes DOS, NT and Linux.
And it seems that there is not the classical ROM on the P900; state of the art, fully open system.
The startup and close logos and melody is even in a directory that I can write to.
I think that the relevant files lie open in front of me and wait to be exchanged and tested.
They are mostly in Z:\system\libs
My favorite files that might do the MemoryStick addressing are
MemoryManager.dll 1.304 bytes 12.12.2003 14.00
MemoryManagerServer.dll 21.224 bytes 12.12.2003 14.00

On the other hand I can see lots of files that look like the bluetooth system files. These could help your P910a conversions and restore full bluetooth functionality.

I am completely agree with you about MemoryStick Support. Most of all like you know UIQ is an open system.

Posted by: 100thMonkey

Quote:

Originally posted by anlog
OOOH LA LA!!

Looks like we are having some HBH problems on REAL P910i's...

Check this ...

sure, make people buy a new Akono to work with the new phone....

Posted by: getagrip15

I have an akono hbh-600. I just don't have a converted phone to try it out on. Anybody tried one out yet? This could be the dealbreaker for me. don't wanna have to wait on a new firmware release, but i don't want my bluetooth going down the

Posted by: getagrip15

ignore my last post. just found my answer in another thread. hbh-600 won't work with new firmware.

Posted by: getagrip15

much to my dismay, this thread seems to be dying down. am i the only one still pumped about this???

Posted by: anlog

It looks like the HBH BT headset problem with the REAL P910's was just a scare.

Both Bengalboy's and fijbert's P910's work fine with HBH (and other) BT headsets.

I think everyone finally took a break from their desks to enjoy the rest of their weekend...

Posted by: getagrip15

haha I had a very boring weekend so this was the highlight of mine.

Posted by: sbjg

@Tapirus

Even I completely agree with you about MemoryStick Support. Most of all like you know UIQ is an open system and replacing files should work. Dont know why anlog thinks otherwise?.

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by sbjg
Dont know why anlog thinks otherwise?.

Hmm... Let's see....

Perhaps it was because I was told by the EXPERT who created the firmware images that it wasn't possible...

Who knows, maybe I was lied to. That sometimes happens between business associates...

Posted by: SKYDIVER1971

why dont someone with an updated p900 send him a dump of all the files from the Z and A drives and let one of them try ?
got to be worth a shot i say

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by SKYDIVER1971
why dont someone with an updated p900 send him a dump of all the files from the Z and A drives and let one of them try ?
got to be worth a shot i say

I'll do it right now... PM me with an email address where I can send the .zip file...

Posted by: SKYDIVER1971

had a think
and cant see it working .
surly you cant just over write the fat 16 file dll with a fat 32 file dll
when the phone is on
its got to go wrong the file would be in use
dont think you will ever finish the overwriting

Posted by: anlog

Quote:

Originally posted by SKYDIVER1971
had a think
and cant see it working .
surly you cant just over write the fat 16 file dll with a fat 32 file dll
when the phone is on
its got to go wrong the file would be in use
dont think you will ever finish the overwriting

Which is why I said (a couple pages back)

"My worry is that you need the new UIQ version to utilize the MS Pro DUO support. That is more than just 'one file'. Even if it were that simple, the file(s) would still have to be located in the flash ROM, which means you'd have to create another custom firmware and reflash the phone."

You can't just overwrite live system files, because they are in use. A new firmware image needs to be created.

I can't even copy all of the system files off the A: and Z: drives, because most of them are in use.

What you are talking about doing is making another P900 firmware with just the files needed to allow MS Pro DUO support. It is my understanding that there are too many files needed to do this, to the point that you have to include all of the files required for the new UIQ (otherwise you'll have a nice looking paperweight).

Posted by: sbjg

(Crying).....

Posted by: SKYDIVER1971

gbrooks3 on the esato forum has posted this can you confirm

by the way i have some news about the bluetooth. it seems there is a problem in the HF configuration of the phones GDFS which causes this bug.

operations are already in motion to fix this and a solution will not be long.

Posted by: Tapirus

@skydiver1971
1. Files are not necessarily in use. Read at start up and some info/whole file put into RAM is possible. It is worth a try.
2. I have no clue about the differences between the DUO and DUO PRO. Is DUO FAT16 and DUO PRO FAT32? That would mean there is a different driver to be loaded at startup. This enhanced driver might sit in a modified driver file of the P910a against the P900.

Tapirus.

Posted by: SKYDIVER1971

@Tapirus
yes duo is fat 16 and pro is 32
if you just change the driver i think you are going to get alot of
memory address problems as the internal file system on a p900 would be writen for fat 16 and as soon as you (if you can) change
to a fat 32 addressing system all w