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SK2: How to get YOUR ringtones on it!!!
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Posted by: seamonkey420

hell yea!
got my sk2 today...

popped in my sim... let the system to an OTA, install a few apps, then i let it sync up the rest of my stuff (my prev sidekick had teh dev kit installed and my own ringers on it.. )..

finally after fully charging, i hear.. "Dog barking, then exploding.."

big GRIN

that was MY ringtone i made for my sk and uploaded....

hmm@!!!!!!!

check the rest of my imported ringtones.. and voial!!

lustra - scotty doesn't know
bran van 3000 - drinking in la
u2 - beautiful day
yup!!!

all of my uploaded tones transferred over to my sk2!!!

so here's my advice!
quickly install the dev kit..
get hiptones, upload the ringers you want to your sidekick.. then once your done..let your sk sit for 10 minutes (to be sure all your info is sync'd)..

then pop your sim in your new shiny sk2, and hopefully good things will happen to you too!!

your own ringers!!!
peace
seamonkey420

JACKPOT!

Posted by: djspinz

how do i get the dev kit on the sidekick, where do i get that?

Posted by: seamonkey420

check out my post here, installing dev kit...

everything is explained. :-)
peace
seamonkey420

Posted by: injdog

K, I don't know if you could do this in the same way or not.

But, how could you change the message tones. like when you recieve an email message or voice mail, what format would the sound file have to be? Mid? Wav?

would you go about uploading to sidekick the same way? is it even possible?

Seeing the ringtone "scotty doesn't know" reminded me of the "you got mail mother××××er" mail message.

I got my hands on the soundfile, but it's WAV format. any feedback would be helpful.

I just need to get my hands on a sidekick to upload some ringers!

Posted by: seamonkey420

just upload an app called penfold..
it works with hiptones to upload event tones and so on..

i assume you'd prob use the same type of settings as a ringer for a sidekick..

ima pcm wav format
11khz, 8bit, mono
4db 4000hz boost
high pass filter at 250hz
10 secs in length or less for optimal perf.

i'd recommend using nero wave editor to get the mp3 or whatever format of the song to the length and with teh high pass and 4000hz adjustments... then save it as a normal wav..

then use windows sound recorder (i know, amazingly useful and fast for making ringers!).. open your wav you saved.. then if you want to make it louder, just increase the volume by 25%, then save it as a ima pcm wav file with 11khz bitrate, 8bit, mono (under settings in the save window)...

then upload and voila!
peace
seamonkey420

Posted by: badass bunny

any news on how to upload ringtones for users without an old sidekick?

Posted by: seamonkey420

right now, thats the only way i can think besides buying a crappy tmobile one...

however, once the dev kit is out, then it'll be open game again..
:-)

and once the other providers get the sk2... i assume that tmobile locked teh option to save wav attachments as ringers but the other providers are prob the same with the sk (ie fido can save .wav files as ringers in email attachments.. lucky fools!! )

peace
seamonkey420

Posted by: seniorstew

it does work! popped my simcard in my old Color Sidekick (yes its still works

) uploaded some tones to it, took it out and put it in my Sidekick 2... 5 min later the tones where transferred.

Posted by: pr0pel

The directions should work on a newly bought SK2 correct? I don't have a CSK to try it on first.

Posted by: seamonkey420

Quote:

Originally posted by seniorstew
it does work! popped my simcard in my old Color Sidekick (yes its still works ) uploaded some tones to it, took it out and put it in my Sidekick 2... 5 min later the tones where transferred.

awesome!
glad someone had the same results!

peace
seamonkey420

ps dev kit 2 for sk2 is out!!

Posted by: seniorstew

and its backwards compatible yay! No... Ringtones cannot be directly uploaded cause the new version of Hiptones isnt out yet. Its expected around the 29th...

Posted by: ThunderChunk69

Is this the only advantage to having an original Sidekick (color)
?

Posted by: alldrew365

i dunno but has anybody tried to MMS a ringtone to the sidekick 2 from another phone or email account? I know it didnt work with the sidekick one but did anyone actually attempt this with the sidekick2?

Posted by: seamonkey420

just an FYI!
hiptones XP is up on http://skdr.net

csk571, you are the man!!

its on!

Posted by: BigAssBaby

Scared to do anything like that, cause of this:

Http://bigassbaby.textamerica.com

Posted by: seamonkey420

beth...
nice site! i really like how you did that!! very nice! do your posts instantly upload to your site?

did you use an application on the sidekick to do that or do you have a server/pc setup so that when you email your pics from your csk as attachments it automatically will re-format and add the pics to your site?

however, with the sdk and risks.. yea, there are some but thats the trade off one has to take if you want to get ringers and other apps such as hipster or hiptalk.... for me, the risk is well worth what i get.. i am going to start to create my own, true ringers (not just music i own, but music i create) and see what happens from there...

plus, if worst comes to worse, i just remove my sim card, connect my sk2, open htconsole and issue a poweroff (disconnects the battery so all data is flushed and reloads from rom once ac adapter is plugged in) command or a recovery (this will recover the default applications and os from the recovery rom)...

i'll be posting an FYI on using HTConsole (ie uploading apps and bndls to the csk/sk2) and what to do when things go awry on your dev key flashed csk/sk2 on my site and on here....

also, for those with an csk, can someone test this ringer i made (its over 10 secs in length, 17 secs, but still under 100kb) and see if it work on their csk? http://www.angelfire.com/rings/seam..._SweetChild.wav

it works fine on my sk2, so the sk2 seems to be able to handle ringers over 10secs in length... i'm going to see if i can test to see the max length of a ringer..

peace
seamonkey420

Posted by: BigAssBaby

I love Textamerica (TA). It has a little javascript, but once you use a computer to sign up, you will receive your very own address to send your pics to. If you want to make your site one where only you post, keep your address you send to private. Or post it so others can post to your site.

Now, once you are set up, you can post, one pic at a time, sort of like hiptop.bedope, but when you go to a computer you can do a lot of things to your site, like backgrounds and add favorites, or links to your other sites. Don't know if you noticed, but if you click on any of my faves on MY site, you will be taken to someone alses textamerica site. The url is http://www.textamerica.com and you WILL need a computer to sign up, but I can show ya how to comment from your sk.
Nice place to meet and keep up with friends on the go! Any questions, just email me. Have fun!

Posted by: swerve

seamonkey:

You ever figure out how to add vibration to your ringtones? Other than the insanely high volume I've created for my tones (

), I haven't been able to add vibration.

Any idea?

Posted by: seamonkey420

wassup..

yea.. i was bored. and reading the danger specs on ringtones and found this..

Quote:

2.2 Autogenerated Buzz and Flash Tracks
All ringtones must produce buzz and flash tracks so that users can be alerted to events, such as the phone ringing, if the audio is
muted. A new feature in version 1.1 of the hiptop OS automatically generates buzz and flash tracks for digital audio. While the
device's vibration motor and LED display can be controlled using MIDI data, it is much easier and more effective to let the
hiptop OS generate buzz and flash tracks on the fly. The system analyzes peaks in the wave data and produces appropriate
vibration and light patterns in sync with the sound being produced The process works best when there are peaks in the file, as in
the music shown in the following waveform:

basically, you just want to make sure that the wav is dynamic (highs and lows, not one big blog wav....

with midis, there's a way to control the flasher light and the amount of buzz with a buzz and flash tracks...

hope that helps!
peace
seamonkey420

Posted by: dragonpac

HipTones XP for the SK2 is no longer available on skdr.net, if anyone has got it can u please e-mail it to me at dragonpac@gmail.com

Posted by: badass bunny

yea i would greatly appreciate a copy of hiptones xp for sk2.
whitetibbar@yahoo.com

Posted by: r u Rayman

Badass and Dragon... The software is licensed one per IMEI and username , you gotta donate to get it.

Posted by: dragonpac

Quote:

Originally posted by r u Rayman
Badass and Dragon... The software is licensed one per IMEI and username , you gotta donate to get it.

yea just found that out thanks. Im just puttin them in the manual way.

Posted by: badass bunny

Quote:

Originally posted by r u Rayman
Badass and Dragon... The software is licensed one per IMEI and username , you gotta donate to get it.

id be willing to do that. sorry to be so ignorant but where can i accomplish this? thanks

Posted by: Skriptz

sorry to bother but im not grasping these concepts

what i did is that i emailed a clip of a song i wanted to my tmail account on my sidekick 2, but wen i open the email, it only lets me play the attachment and not save it, how can i save it???

Posted by: r u Rayman

You CAN'T save emailed attachments.

Posted by: Skriptz

o ××××

thanks for the info

so there is basically no way for me to get my rintones without getting hiptones xp

Posted by: NeXuS24

What is going on? I cant get to transfer stuff everytime I do this is what I get... I dont think my drivers even work.. help pls

HELP PLS!!

Posted by: NeXuS24

Umm any help pls?

Posted by: GoGoMoto

Hey Seamonkey - as of 8:30 CST on 12/15/2004, it seems that Hiptones XP is no longer obtainable? I'm not sure if it is a temporary thing, but there is information about it here: http://protoap.net/download/

Again, not sure if this is permanent or temporary - just wondering if you had any information about it.

Posted by: GoGoMoto

Nexus, I've looked around quite a few sites about your problem, and I've come to these conclusions:

1) Depending on your operating system, make sure you have all updates installed

2) In the BIOS make sure the option to assign IRQ to USB is enabled

3) Make sure you have the latest drivers. I can email you mine, which worked, if you do not have them

4) Flash a BIOS update.

5) You might have a damaged sidekick - although this is the least likely.

6) Update your USB drivers if they are on a USB card, rather than on the motherboard.

Generally, if I knew what OS you had, computer specs, etc, I can help you look on the net. My answers came from page 1 and 2 of a yahoo search on "device cannot start code 10", and hopefully it gives you some information. I see you have an advanced tab there - you might want to try that out and see if you can change IRQ assignment.

Posted by: pimpal2k3

u need the developers key to do this huh? they need to be avaliable again.

Posted by: r u Rayman

They're limiting the dev keys to those who are actually developers, not those desperate in having custom ringers uploaded.

Posted by: pimpal2k3

^^ so does that mean i can get them, or not?

Posted by: r u Rayman

Quote:

Originally posted by pimpal2k3
^^ so does that mean i can get them, or not?

Don't ask me that...Ask yourself that.

Posted by: pimpal2k3

im stupid. yes or no?

Posted by: drpstudios

please people dont be stingy on this issue... you know theres hundreds of people that come on here lookin for this trick or something... i would love to put some custom ringtones on the SK2 from my V600... please be of help!

Posted by: Kamanaonoeau

Ah. It seems like I will be joining the Sidekick fanatics. heh. Probably gonna order one and still keep my Sharp TM150. So far...I've read some good reviews on the sidekick 2 thus far...

Keep the feedbacks coming!

late.

Posted by: phamuraix

How do i get a devkey then? If i'm not a developer, is it impossible for me to put stuff on my SKII?

Posted by: r u Rayman

Quote:

Originally posted by phamuraix
How do i get a devkey then? If i'm not a developer, is it impossible for me to put stuff on my SKII?

the dev key is meant for developers...thus behold the name "development key" . If you're not a developer , you cant upload custom apps or ringtones.

Posted by: phamuraix

so basically i can't put anything on my SKII?

Posted by: drpstudios

if u read the whole topic... you fill out the **** app... lie on it... wait a couple days / weeks and they will send to you

Posted by: pimpal2k3

yeah i did the app, i didnt lie and they didnt give it to me. should i fill it out again, lieing this time, or will they know?

Posted by: mak349

should i lie about my imei key too?

Posted by: JonnyBruha

Yeah, lie to them. Tell them a fake IMEI, so if they do consider giving you the key, it won't work with your phone.
:laughs:

It's not just newbs anymore, it's newbs, super-newbs, uber-newbs, ultra-newbs, and even dangerous-to-themselves newbs.

Posted by: drpstudios

Quote:

Originally posted by mak349
should i lie about my imei key too?

you dont even have a phone.... do you even know how long the IMEI is on the sidekick?

Posted by: drillest

up to how many ringtone can u store in a sdk2

Posted by: JonnyBruha

Quote:

Originally posted by drillest
up to how many ringtone can u store in a sdk2

Hey new guy? Did you even bother reading ANY of this thread?

Posted by: Ajs24

how does the Dev. Key get to the sidekick? datacable?

Posted by: PURESKILLZZZ

Ok .. This is a strange thread .. The sidekick wont allow you to do anything with out a developers key .. Thats 1st .. @nd you must download a pdf form and fax it to danger ... 3rd for the super duper newbs.. You can upload a ringtone with the console you download from dangers site all you have to do is actually read a little bit. Now seamonkeys not sure if you the guy from the seamonkey site but i see u no a bit how about u assistoing me on the sidekick hack or crackz .. As danger is still taking its sweet ole time with sending out keys and i go thru sidekicks faster than i can fax in my damm info. But for you extra ordinary newbs message me and ill send you the form.

Posted by: iburncds44128

hey are there any websites where i can just download ring tones from and save on my phone?

Posted by: r u Rayman

Quote:

Originally posted by iburncds44128
hey are there any websites where i can just download ring tones from and save on my phone?

Posted by: HarlemKnight2K

Ok.............. I Think Y'all Need To Check Out http://developer.danger.com Again
I Recieved My DevKey I About An Hour.......... LOL So much for 2week or a month Plus I Can Unlock Many Different SK2's!

Posted by: Reason23

alright i know imma catch hell for this but i did read the whole 4 pages (its 4 am im bored as hell). I just copped a sdkII and i know theres no way to directly upload and i know that that program isnt avaliable anymore...what im wondering is will they charge you anything for your development key? like to your cell bill or something? ive already signed up i just havent applyed for the developers key yet. I dont need to get charged for something extra im a cheap as hell

Posted by: r u Rayman

Quote:

Originally posted by Reason23
alright i know imma catch hell for this but i did read the whole 4 pages (its 4 am im bored as hell). I just copped a sdkII and i know theres no way to directly upload and i know that that program isnt avaliable anymore...what im wondering is will they charge you anything for your development key? like to your cell bill or something? ive already signed up i just havent applyed for the developers key yet. I dont need to get charged for something extra im a cheap as hell

no charge

Posted by: PURESKILLZZZ

Ok .. I see harlem put up a post that he can do many sidekicks .. How about doing mines harlem .... Im in the boogie down close to you mate . Also they declined me I guess becasue i maybe I want to find a hack for their phones . Damm wish i was still a bad lil boy n just ddoss'ed their site from existance. But all I want to do is use my phone to its full potential. I think they are extremely unfair in what they are doing .. So Harlem if you got the hook up .... hook a fella up mate .

Posted by: Reason23

Quote:

Originally posted by r u Rayman
no charge

should i lie about what i put on the form tho?

Posted by: PURESKILLZZZ

I dont know what to tell you to say on form becasue they declined me ....

Posted by: HipHopHipTop

Quote:

Originally posted by HarlemKnight2K
Ok.............. I Think Y'all Need To Check Out http://developer.danger.com Again
I Recieved My DevKey I About An Hour.......... LOL So much for 2week or a month Plus I Can Unlock Many Different SK2's!

Yo man so what's the going rate?

Posted by: PURESKILLZZZ

Oh .. Is he charging .. Thought this was a place to share ... Well anyways ,. whats the deal you gonna help us so we can develop on our sidekicks ?

Posted by: tadmartin223

Does anyone have access to the Developer's form to send to Danger? I'm actually a developer looking to make apps for the Sidekick II.

Thanks.

Posted by: PURESKILLZZZ

Maybe I said it maybe I didnt ... Wait I did say it ... You can get the form from me ... Its on my ftp ....

pureskillzzz.rr.nu : port 444
login - motorola
pass - howard

I think im gonna add this to my signature as I said its my small little contribution to howard which has been so much help to me.

Posted by: tadmartin223

It's not working for me. I tired in a browser as well as a FTP.

Posted by: PURESKILLZZZ

What progranm are you using to connect mate . Also passive off..

Posted by: tadmartin223

right now, I'm using Fetch on Mac (work) but I use WS FTP at home on PC.

Posted by: PURESKILLZZZ

can you get smart ftp not sure if they have a version for mac ... let me check ..... Ok . looked on site dont see it for mac . What other ftp program you have and what is the exact error you are getting mate ?

Posted by: jgeorge

Quote:

Originally posted by tadmartin223
Does anyone have access to the Developer's form to send to Danger? I'm actually a developer looking to make apps for the Sidekick II.

Thanks.

You can probably get all the answers you seek by checking out Danger's developer site. developer.danger.com. The fax-in form that I think you're trying to FTP is no longer used - the new process is all online (again).

Joe

Posted by: PURESKILLZZZ

THanks jorge ... Didnt realize its all online now ... Will have to goto site and get keys for my sidekicks.

Posted by: tadmartin223

Maybe I'm losing my mind, but I searched the Developer's site for Danger and didn't see the application process there.

Posted by: PURESKILLZZZ

Well I havent been back to the site yet been busy with my motorolas ... But the old fax form is on my ftp ...

Posted by: tadmartin223

It's still not working for me. Please send the form to my E-mail address.
tadmartin@giveandgoent.com. Thanks for all of your help.

Posted by: PURESKILLZZZ

Wanna know something funny .. Couldn't tell you last time I wrote an e-mail or sent one ... If you have a messenger service ill send to you directly thru that.

Posted by: tadmartin223

AOL: giveandgoent
MSN: tadmartin223@hotmail.com

Posted by: jgeorge

Quote:

Originally posted by tadmartin223
Maybe I'm losing my mind, but I searched the Developer's site for Danger and didn't see the application process there.

Um, the link is literally on the left sidebar of every page of the site. Where are you looking for it?

The process has changed since the fax form process. I honestly don't know if the faxed form will work for you, they may just refer you to fill out the online form.

Joe

Posted by: PURESKILLZZZ

Ok ... once agin we learn from jgeorge ....

Posted by: Reason23

man what sucks if you email it to your side kick and attach the wav you cant save it but you can play it

Posted by: PURESKILLZZZ

Ok ... I heard a few working on a software to allow you to save it ... Havent heard much ately but im also looking into it .

Posted by: zeekdiddy

if anyone has developed software to store them, i would really appriciate if they would PM me and either share it or give me a tutorial on what to do

Posted by: WebbyBabe

Can someone send me the developer key.

I tried registering for the developer key and I just don't understand what the bundle file is that they need.

Posted by: zeekdiddy

Quote:

Originally Posted by WebbyBabe

Can someone send me the developer key.

I tried registering for the developer key and I just don't understand what the bundle file is that they need.

or that for me too

Posted by: jgeorge

Quote:

Originally Posted by WebbyBabe

Can someone send me the developer key.

No, the key is tied to the IMEI of your phone, so nobody can send you a key other than Danger.

Joe

Posted by: zeekdiddy

anyone try using qpst and a data cable to put stuff on our phones???

Posted by: jgeorge

Quote:

Originally Posted by zeekdiddy

anyone try using qpst and a data cable to put stuff on our phones???

I haven't tried, but it's pretty pointless. QPST will only talk to phones that use the Qualcomm chipset, which the hiptop does not.

Posted by: zeekdiddy

**** i just want some free ringtones on this phone, why do they make it so hard

Posted by: jgeorge

Quote:

Originally Posted by zeekdiddy

**** i just want some free ringtones on this phone, why do they make it so hard

TANSTAAFL.

Posted by: greatgoo

Sorry to kind of interupt the convo flow in here. One quick question if you guys dont mind

This keeps coming up. How do i just upload the darn app?

(198) UsbDebug: exec 'upload' w/ 'bundle 79152'
(198) <<< THIS DEVICE DOES NOT HAVE A DEVELOPER KEYFILE >>>
(198) *** non-developer build or locked device ***
error: upload <service> <file>

Posted by: jgeorge

Quote:

Originally Posted by greatgoo

This keeps coming up. How do i just upload the darn app?

Well, it says...

Quote:

(198) <<< THIS DEVICE DOES NOT HAVE A DEVELOPER KEYFILE >>>

I'd be willing to bet you need a developer key to upload an app.

If you want a developer key, check the developer site for the process.

Joe

Posted by: divinatum

TANSTAAFL? what's that mean?

Posted by: jgeorge

Quote:

Originally Posted by divinatum

TANSTAAFL? what's that mean?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TANSTAAFL

Posted by: aaryque

does anyone know what the bndl file is?

Posted by: ouchiii pooo

this danger site is stupid wtf is a bundle file i cant even finish an application
someone help me out with that

Posted by: Amin

Can't get a dev key, which really sucks, unless someone can refer me

Posted by: WebbyBabe

Even if you have a dev key, you can only have 10 songs right?

Posted by: Scarekrow

Thought I could possibly not put a bndl file and it would give me the key. Didn't work (raise your hand if you're surprised). It did however give me a message saying "no bundle file was uploaded, and you have not been previously referred by an approved Software Developer".

My question is this, can existing developers simply refer other people to get the keys? Or would they still have to include a bndl file?

With the lenth of this thread it's hard to tell what info is current or not. Is anyone trying to develop a way to get files (ringtones, apps, etc.) on to the SK2 without getting a developer's key?

Posted by: Scarekrow

Did I stumble across a way for those without the key to get access? Are those who have the keys keeping quiet on purpose? Hopefully someone can clear this up for me

Posted by: Da|GoTTi

why is this thread a sticky when it doesnt explain how to get your ringtones on ?

Posted by: r u Rayman

Well, this thread explains how you could put ringtones on the SK, but the rules have changed and this guide is now useless for the newer SK owners.

The real question is "why are people so desperately wanting a Dev key (which is for SOFTWARE DEVELOPERS, not the avg. joe) when Danger specifically states the requirements of the process and its intention" "

Posted by: ouchiii pooo

this forum is so phucking stupid cuz people talk in codes and shyt why cant someone just blurt out the **** facts that we cant put ringtones on this stupid phone without a dev key and seeing as how its impossible to get a dev key now there really no way to do shyt so **** this forum and **** the sidekick 2 cuz its pissing me off that you have to stay with the same aplications and tones that they give you unless you want to see an extra 30 dollar charge on your account smfh

Posted by: Reason23

what sucks about this site is that whole holyer then thou crap. they think just because the know more about a phone then someone else they can daughter you and think there cool. that gets annoying after a while.

Posted by: Scarekrow

Quote:

Originally Posted by r u Rayman

Well, this thread explains how you could put ringtones on the SK, but the rules have changed and this guide is now useless for the newer SK owners.

The real question is "why are people so desperately wanting a Dev key (which is for SOFTWARE DEVELOPERS, not the avg. joe) when Danger specifically states the requirements of the process and its intention" "

Notice nobody was bringing up what the Dev key was supposed to be for when a bundl file wasn't required. Reason's right, alot (not all) of you people do think you're levels above everyone else. It's cool. I'm cool with the SK2 the way it is.

Posted by: BigRick352

i didnt read the whole post but is there anyway I can get ringtones without downloading any programs and ****

Posted by: xburnerx

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRick352

i didnt read the whole post but is there anyway I can get ringtones without downloading any programs and ****

no theres no way except to pay for them. like the guy a couple posts up said theres no ****in reason for this as a sticky doesn't do **** but make people more pissed off and more confused since the info is hella out dated.

Posted by: BigRick352

i dont care if u have to pay for them but i want decent ones that play like 20 seconds of the song not the ****** 3 second ones from tmobile

Posted by: the bishop

Sell your SKII.... I did.

Treo 650 > SKII, any day of the week

Posted by: mistatnn

I just added some ringtones to my sidekick today. All i did was convert them to wav then chop like 15-20sec of the song and emailed them to myself. Works great

Posted by: Reason23

Quote:

Originally Posted by mistatnn

I just added some ringtones to my sidekick today. All i did was convert them to wav then chop like 15-20sec of the song and emailed them to myself. Works great

you got it twisted i did that all you can do is Play it not save it unless t-mobile updated the programing on my sidekick

Posted by: LilTeddyP

Is there any updates on how to get a dev key, or what if everyone with a dev key, upload it with your IMEI and have a cracker/programmer make a keygen. It must be able to be done, how else would danger do it. Or any updates on any uploading programs.

If anyone finds anything out, hit me up at LilTeddyP@gmail.com

Posted by: divinatum

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reason23

you got it twisted i did that all you can do is Play it not save it unless t-mobile updated the programing on my sidekick

It's possible he's on suncom.

The dev key "generator" is a closely guarded secret @ danger. But i'm sure a "keygen" could be made.

I think t-mobile is slowly realizing that people don't like the catalog ringtones (why theres a new section) and that when 2.3 comes around they will have the option enabled to save as a ringtone from email. (I Hope)

Posted by: LilTeddyP

There has to be someone on the inside that sould get the keygen out or someone far smarter than I that can make one

Posted by: ThrowbackLine

Quote:

Originally Posted by mistatnn

I just added some ringtones to my sidekick today. All i did was convert them to wav then chop like 15-20sec of the song and emailed them to myself. Works great

how did u get the .wav file to save into your ringtones?

Posted by: jgeorge

Quote:

Originally Posted by divinatum

The dev key "generator" is a closely guarded secret @ danger. But i'm sure a "keygen" could be made.

It's not the matter of a keygen - the developer key is ridiculously easy to generate. The problem is installing it on the device requires that the key be digitially signed which is an EXTREMELY difficult encryption to hack.

I'm actually pretty sure a usable "keygen" can't be made. I'm not saying one couldn't be made at all, but a *usable* one, no. It could take months or years of brute-force computations to generate a digital signature that's valid for your device, and then that key and signature wouldn't be good for any device other than yours. Being able to kick out 2 or 3 dev keys in a decade is really not practical.

Quote:

and that when 2.3 comes around they will have the option enabled to save as a ringtone from email. (I Hope)

For the rumormongers in the world, please note that this is just speculation. this isn't a statement of fact. :-)

Joe (and I highly doubt it)

Posted by: jgeorge

Quote:

Originally Posted by LilTeddyP

There has to be someone on the inside that sould get the keygen out

I dunno, maybe it's just me, but I think I'd be hard pressed to find someone at Danger willing to risk arrest for stealing encryption keys just so you can load ringtones.

If you find someone willing to do this for you, drop me a PM as I have some other stuff I'd like them to steal as long as their morals have vanished.

Joe

Posted by: koin

There has to be some way to navigate the contents of the side kick once you've connected via USB. I understand Danger has their own software to do it, but it sucks because of the extent you need to go to in order to get a DEV key.

I installed the usb driver to my sk2, attempted to ******** my way into danger dev key but it didn't work. Someone needs to find a way to access the SK2 like a hard drive through USB and manually put the ring tones on it like that.

Posted by: LilTeddyP

Quote:

Originally Posted by koin

There has to be some way to navigate the contents of the side kick once you've connected via USB. I understand Danger has their own software to do it, but it sucks because of the extent you need to go to in order to get a DEV key.

I installed the usb driver to my sk2, attempted to ******** my way into danger dev key but it didn't work. Someone needs to find a way to access the SK2 like a hard drive through USB and manually put the ring tones on it like that.

Yeah, if anyone figures that out, definatly hit me up LilTeddyP@gmail.com

Posted by: !?wassup?!

can anyone help me get free ringtones onto my sidekick 2 please

Posted by: jgeorge

Quote:

Originally Posted by koin

As loathe as I am to continue this conversation, just for completeness' sake, you can hack at the USB port all you want but there's no way you're going to hack a "developer key" or anything that resembles one onto the device just by farting around with the USB port. How to access the device via USB is *well* documented on the developer site and doesn't require a key; however, the only command that will actually DO anything on the device is the one to upload a key file, and in order to get that key file you have to either be a developer or figure out a really hard encryption implementation.

I've said it before and I'll say it again - for the amount of time it would take you to figure out how to break the encryption on the device, you could learn Java and write an app, sell it to Danger, and retire from the proceeds in a *fraction* of the time.

Really.

Joe

Posted by: srelysian

I've been browsing for information on ringtone transfers on the TMO SK2 for a while now. I've actually contacted customer service on the issue. They generally give you the run around, I came across a post in some forum recently about a guy who contacted Danger, who told him it's pretty much T-Mobile's problem as the actual blocking comes from their proxy (I often wonder if there's a way to bypass it). T-Mobile actually flat out lied to me on the phone saying something about how the ringtones are special and you can only get them from their special "download fun" menu (which we all know isn't true as danger lists the ring specs on their page). I generally don't appreciate being lied to, though I let it go because I can't stand dealing with customer service people.

Honestly I think the only thing that can be done about this issue is for everyone to constantly pester t-mobile until they give. All they are managing to do is piss off customers, alot of people I know have already sold their Sidekick 2's and dropped t-mobile as a provider out of protest. I don't know about anyone else, but I for one didn't intend to pay over 300$ for a phone and an extra 20$/mo on top of my normal service plan to join a dictatorship. When I had my nokia's on tmo, all I needed to do was spend 4.99/mo for unlimited t-zones n I could fill my phone's ram up with ringtones till` I was blue in the face.

I appologize for the rant, I generally don't like being leashed. I just don't see how they manage to justify charging so much only to have more restriction than with a cheaper phone.

Posted by: Chinasaur

Quote:

Originally Posted by srelysian

I just don't see how they manage to justify charging so much only to have more restriction than with a cheaper phone.

Because people keep buying Sidekicks. Until that changes enough to get someone's attention at T-Mobile, things won't change.

Posted by: PURESKILLZZZ

Quote:

Originally Posted by jgeorge

Okies ... I have seen your posts on various sites and to be honest I was trying to develope a crack for these sidekicks until I got bored and no 1 was willing to help . Since then I sold all my side kicks . But to clear up a little confusion the phone is not un-hackable . Just need more helpers whit time on their hands . To the best of my knowledge after looking at a few failed attempts I see that there is a back door to these phones . Not sure how to access it but if someone has any ideas ill gladly assist the best I can . And I see brute force will more than likely be the only way to hack it unless we can send a file to it as t-mobile does . Yeah that sounds like a plan ....

Posted by: jgeorge

As God as my witness, I have no idea how I keep getting pulled into this... <sigh>

Quote:

Originally Posted by PURESKILLZZZ

the phone is not un-hackable

I never said the phone was unhackable. I said it was *practically* unhackable. I know of two ways to hack into the device. One requires a significant investment of TIME (to the point it would be faster to learn Java and get a dev key the Right Way), and the second way requires a significant investment of MONEY (to the point it would be prohibitively expensive for the typical power user to implement.) If you're willing to drop $1500-$2000 for the proper hardware and tools, you too can load ringtones onto your $200 phone. Oh yeah, lest I forget - there's a steep learning curve for this specialized hardware, if you don't know how to use it you'll need to learn, it's not a cookbook step-by-step process, so you need to be willing to drop that kind of cash and then still spend a coupld of months figuring things out.

Quote:

Originally Posted by PURESKILLZZZ

I see that there is a back door to these phones . Not sure how to access it but if someone has any ideas ill gladly assist the best I can

Okay, I'll bite. What is this "back door" of which you speak? I know the device pretty well, you can be as technical as you want and I'll figure it out. Let me know what magic portal you've discovered and I'll tell you why you won't be able to hack the device through it.

Joe

Posted by: YOURDAD

where do i find my dev key?

Posted by: SuddleD

What we really need is a simple toutorial about how to make simple apps and convert them into bndl file's so we can all get developer keys. This was we can all get a key but just make slightly different apps or ideas. Also, my buddy's cousin work at Danger, but not in the developer side, so I am trying to get some keys that way, but its not easy...

Posted by: Chinasaur

SD,

Do you honestly think the people at Danger are that stupid?

Posted by: SuddleD

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chinasaur

SD,

Do you honestly think the people at Danger are that stupid?

Well, no, but a comment like that makes you look stupid.....if you have no advice or options to offer, why try and **** on my idea? All Danger asks in return for a Dev key is for people to make an original app. They don't care how sophisticated it is, they just want to make sure you are actully trying to develop for their platform. So, YES I Honestly think it would work. All you need is a simple app to show you can code and they will give you a key. Its not too complicated, it just takes showing them you can do something. So, unless you have something to add, please STFU, thanks.

Posted by: Chinasaur

LOL. Ok kid.

Go ahead, code your killer clone app and see how far you and your buds get.

/me bows low for the new SKII Overlord

ROFLMAO!!!!

Posted by: jgeorge

Siddle, the point is if Danger wants you to submit a working app for the device, to prove that you're capable of developing for the device, then wouldn't be be stupid of them to provide howtos and tutorials on how to write an app to get a key? Don't you think that your willingness to learn and your ability to read some documentation and sample code go a LONG way to proving to them you're a legit developer? If you want them to tell you how to write an app so you can write one, why bother with that requirement at all? Why not just give a key to anyone who can click a link?

Oh yeah, that's right. They tried that. it didn't work so well.

Joe

Posted by: SuddleD

Where did I ever say that Danger should teach us? I said We as in this site and people who view it could put together a tutorial on how to get started coding an app. I never said I would code the kIller leet app of the year, I said Simple. People who have nothing positive to offer seem to have so many ideas, too bad none are helpful. So if I do get my dev ket or not, I could really care less. I came here and posted so me and others like me who need help can find a way to get a key. If you don't wanna help and be a pessimistic a-hole then that's fine. But don't try and shoot down my ideas with no useful alternative.
SUDDLE D luving the hate....

Posted by: Chinasaur

No. You came here scheming to cheat Danger and get a dev key via fraudulent means. That's wrong. We pointed that out. We also pointed out your scheme is infantile.

In other words, we disagree with you. You can't handle anyone disagreeing with you, so you call that "hate". LOL

Whatever.

Next.

Posted by: puerrican718

Chinasaur is right, he just pointed out that it wouldnt work thats all. No need to go about cursing and complaigning that no one else has a better idea. You make it sound like that if he doesnt have a better idea then we have no choice but to go with your idea. Danger would notice if they got a bunch of apps that are very similar. Plus they look as to wether the app itslef is useful. A simple app that just loads and does 1 or 2 things wont necessarily convince. They looking for games, useful system app, or even more advanced apps for the sidekick man. In the old days it was easy to get a dev key with a simple application, but now there just evil -_-... well not really but still....

Posted by: SuddleD

How is making a new app scheming to cheat? That's what they ask you to do, so don't try and make it seem like I was trying to scam them. Get your head right. Btw, I talked to my buddy at Danger and there is another way to get a dev key without an app, but since no ones likes my ideas or needs my helps anways....

Posted by: vintagekiss

kinda new at the sk2.. need step by step help for downloading my own ringtones into it. plzzz!!!

Posted by: srelysian

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuddleD

How is making a new app scheming to cheat? That's what they ask you to do, so don't try and make it seem like I was trying to scam them. Get your head right. Btw, I talked to my buddy at Danger and there is another way to get a dev key without an app, but since no ones likes my ideas or needs my helps anways....

You do realize they actually LOOK at the code right? They will review it before they ever give you a dev key, it's not an automated process. They don't just say "Hey, it looks like code, he's in!", from what I was told they only give the keys to those who've created code with "promise". In other words, it needs to semi-function the way it's supposed to before they even consider giving you a key. Aside from that, there is a second method to getting a dev key, you either provide some code proving you can actually develop for it, or you get an official company of some sort to recommend you to danger as a developer, which generally isn't going to happen. Your "Idea" isn't new either, people have already thought of it and got shot down because they were just copying and pasting code around and renaming things. If your idea would work, I would have already renamed and edited the "Hello World" app to "Hi Planet" and copyrighted the thing.

And here's a random rant not directed at you:

Problem with you and everyone else is this.. rather than put your efforts towards a remedy for all, you think only of yourself.. how can "I" get a dev key. You can't make 30,000 variable instances of an application so everyone can get one. Try complaining, if all the same people that sit around crying about how they need a dev key got off their asses and setup some sort of mass organised complaint you might get them to change their setup without trying to find monkey wrench work arounds. ****, some people actually went n spent more money on a new phone cuz they didn't like the sidekick rather than try to do anything about it. One man can do little, many can build cities, know what I am sayin? At the moment T-Mobile thinks people are stupid, if you call asking them about the ringtones they will most likely lie to you like they did to me. "The ringtones are a special format and can only be gotten with the download manager." Anyone who knows how to do a lil` research knows that's a big fat lie, the sidekick 2 recognizes both WAV and AIFF formats which can be created on a PC with ease. I've also spoken to danger who states that the blocking of tones other than from the download manager comes directly from tmobile and not danger itself. People who have different service providers using the originally named "Hiptop2" have the ability to save wavs from emails as a ringtone. Tmobile changed their personalised OS so it couldn't do that. So all I have to say on the whole subject is this: If some of you people would spend more time trying to fix a problem rather than find some hacked up work around you might actually see some results. Thousands of angry customers can't be wrong, can they?

Posted by: beav1s

Complaining solves everything.

Posted by: PURESKILLZZZ

Ok Folks ... This thread has been here a while .. Danger just relesed a new update for the firmware/software in the phone for the browesr and programming . Lets wait til the bugs are out and then maybe a new way to program these phones will emerge. But the Sidekick 3 will soon be out (hopefully) and that alsoma y make this all easier as well. Right now i'm playing with the V3i

Posted by: Chinasaur

Danger did NOT just release the OTA. It was out in late Oct/early Nov of '05.

Posted by: PURESKILLZZZ

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chinasaur

Danger did NOT just release the OTA. It was out in late Oct/early Nov of '05.

Ok I stand corrected . Been a while since I held a sidekick.

Posted by: YNGDIDDY82

iM SORRY TO BE REALLY L8T. BUT.....2 NARROW EVERYTHIN DOWN. WHAT IS THE BEST WAY 2 GET RINGERS, APPS ON TO UR SK2. I READ THE WHOLE THREAD BUT I'M STILL LOST AND CONFUSED. ANY AND I MEAN ANY HELP WOULD BE GREATFUL.
THANX

Posted by: Big.Johnson

BUMP. I 2nd the above comment.

Posted by: snoslicer8

The best (and ONLY) way to get apps and ringers onto your SK2 is to get a developer's key directly from Danger. That's it. In order to do that, you have to write a program for the SK2 and they have to approve it. Without doing any of this, there is NO KNOWN WAY to get anything onto your SK2 that your carrier doesn't provide through the catalog on your device.

Posted by: JORDANKICKZZ

can someone tell me how to put ringtones in my sidekick2..........i just got mines and i really need help i wanna get FREE RINGTONES... my AIM is JORDANKICKZZ

Posted by: PURESKILLZZZ

Quote:

Originally Posted by JORDANKICKZZ

can someone tell me how to put ringtones in my sidekick2..........i just got mines and i really need help i wanna get FREE RINGTONES... my AIM is JORDANKICKZZ

ok .... read the very next post before yours. you need a developers key.

Posted by: Chinasaur

There is no reason to tell newbies they need a Dev key if the possibility of them acquiring one is ZERO.

Posted by: PURESKILLZZZ

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chinasaur

There is no reason to tell newbies they need a Dev key if the possibility of them acquiring one is ZERO.

Never give up hope . Some will still get keys.

Posted by: Chinasaur

Unethically and illegally via warez sites.

That is not a solution condoned on HowardForums. Anyone referring anyone to a warez solution is not helping and could get banned.

Posted by: PURESKILLZZZ

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chinasaur

Unethically and illegally via warez sites.

That is not a solution condoned on HowardForums. Anyone referring anyone to a warez solution is not helping and could get banned.

Are you trying to say danger or hiptop isnt giving out keys at all anymore ?

Posted by: Chinasaur

Of course not. I'm sure legitimate programmers get them all the time.

99.9% of people in this forum are not programmers. They are users who want into the device for whatever reason. These people could never qualify for dev keys so I'm sure many look for cracked keys elsewhere.

Big difference.

Posted by: PURESKILLZZZ

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chinasaur

Of course not. I'm sure legitimate programmers get them all the time.

99.9% of people in this forum are not programmers. They are users who want into the device for whatever reason. These people could never qualify for dev keys so I'm sure many look for cracked keys elsewhere.

Big difference.

that doesnt stop them from getting a key from danger. All a person has to do is create 1 mall program to the best of my knowledge. But I will look further into this . I believe thats is the only criteria now.

Posted by: Chinasaur

Do you really believe Danger is that stupid?

Posted by: PURESKILLZZZ

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chinasaur

Do you really believe Danger is that stupid?

Its not about being stupid. But they are selling a product to a mass amount of people so they do have a responsibilty to allow there users a chance to use their pones to its full potential.

Posted by: Chinasaur

No. You don't understand.

Danger wrote the HiptopOS to be more powerful and full featured than what T-Mobile put in place. The CARRIER, in our case T-Mobile, makes the decision as to what functionality the device will have. NOT Danger.

Danger has a responsibility to it's customers (the carriers..NOT the users) to ensure that the HiptopOS remains as bug free as possible and to keep the OS as secure as possible.

Giving out dev keys to any 16 year old who wants ringtones is NOT responsible. Neither will they give out a dev key to anyone who modifies and existing program or hacks some "Hello World" app up simply to get a Dev Key.

Anyway, a company is in business to make money. Danger is no exception. T-Mobile is the company you should be talking to, not Danger. T-Mobile makes the decisions on what is open and what is not. T-Mobile decides what goes in the Catalog, not Danger. T-Mobile decided to not allow users to extract ringtones from email. Fido or Rogers (can never remember which one has the Hiptop) DO allow extraction of ringtones. T-Mobile calls the shots. Danger simply tailors the OS to meet their specifications.

All in all, T-Mobile doesn't care what the customers think about how they manage the device. The Sidekick is a revenue generation tool for them. Unless revenue drops significantly, either through device sales or catalog sales, they could care less what you or I think. And that's just simply business 101.

Is this helping? I'm not flaming you..just trying to show you that what your or I feel "should be" really matters very little in the great scheme of things.

Luck.

Posted by: PURESKILLZZZ

You have some very valid points but when there is a will there is a way . I just say diont ever give up hope. WOukld rather the dev keys be easy to get versus hacking the system. Even tho hackig is fun also ..LOL

Posted by: jgeorge

Quote:

Originally Posted by PURESKILLZZZ

hackig is fun also ..LOL

Yeah, weren't you working on a devkey keygen a while ago? Hows that coming along?

You break that digital signature yet?

Joe

Posted by: PURESKILLZZZ

Quote:

Originally Posted by jgeorge

Yeah, weren't you working on a devkey keygen a while ago? Hows that coming along?

You break that digital signature yet?

Joe

Yes I was a while ago . Actually left it alone when my sidekick died n sold the others . But if I happen to get the new sidekick thats coming out and it seems nice I will regain my need to hack it again. And how are you doing by the way havent seen you around in a bit ...

Posted by: Chinasaur

Purskillz,

You may not know this, but discussion of hacking/cracking is forbidden on HoFo. Jgeorge was asking rhetorically because he knows you will not succeed. He was not asking you a serious question.

If you want to talk about hacking/cracking/Warezing devkeys, Danger's OS, take it to another forum. Otherwise, you're going to get yourself banned.

Posted by: PURESKILLZZZ

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chinasaur

Purskillz,

You may not know this, but discussion of hacking/cracking is forbidden on HoFo. Jgeorge was asking rhetorically because he knows you will not succeed. He was not asking you a serious question.

If you want to talk about hacking/cracking/Warezing devkeys, Danger's OS, take it to another forum. Otherwise, you're going to get yourself banned.

Well I am not talking about ..... Are you happy now ?

Posted by: Noodiez69

i am an IT student and am interested in making a app for the SDKII. i dont have one yet but itd be cool to make an app for it. does anyone know wat program yu would use to make a app for the SDK??? any info will help. thank u.

Posted by: koin

you need to be approved by Danger for that...it's very involved and not worth the effort considering they deny most people. I know java inside and out (the language used for coding apps on hiptop) and they wouldn't approve me...two different attempts.

going by your spelling and grammar i'm going to make the assumption you have no clue what i just said. good luck anyway.

Posted by: blackace713

I Jus wld like 2 kno wat programs do i download 2 make an application 2 send in request 4 ma danger key cus i wld like 2 become a developer and i cld careless bout ringtones

Posted by: igotthatjuice20

So youre telling me that if i have a color sk1, I can popmy sim card in there, make ringtones, and upload them on it ... then take my sim out and put it in my sk2 and they will be there? ... if this is possible I need someone to instant message me at igotthatjuice204 and tell me how ifyou would ... thanks in advance

Posted by: koin

absolutely not. besides the fact that ring tones are not stored on the sim card, there is no way to plug your sidekick into the computer (via usb, sim card reader etc) and send custom ring tones to it. only a Danger certified "developer" would have an application that can encrypt and decrypt files properly in order to do that.

Posted by: Noodiez69

i actually know exactly wat your talking about koin. you shouldn't just assume from my grammar that I don't know what's going on... I'm a 4.0 IT student. I know all about programming.

Posted by: DizChiNoRicHie

lol why did this forum turn into a battlefield?

ok jus to get this out to those newbie SK2ers out there
dont post on this thread, you guys all jus say "how can i get ringtones ok plz help me thanks"
stop wasting our lives and asking stupid questions. if you dont know anything about the sk2, if you dont read the thread, or too lazy, why did you sign up for HoFo? jus leave ur account hanging and do us a big favor-stop posting stupid sh*t on here.

i dont need new people asking questions that have been obviously answered.

heres the bottom line

YOU NEED A DEV KEY TO DO ANYTHING TO YOUR SIDEKICK

if you are too lazy/stupid to figure out how, then i guess thats too bad.
for us serious SK2 users/devs here, we will try our best to help each other.
for the rest of you, STOP WASTING POSTING SPACE
thanks.`1

Posted by: manny1551

can anyone help me get a developers key, i tried to get one but i just cant figure out how to even start making an application, i need help can anyone help me get a developers key so i could get some ringtones

Posted by: NHOI1984

close the thread.

Posted by: nstabl

wow, what a waste of so much time reading all that to NO solution, someone should post in the FIRST thread all the facts please..just in big bold letters.. NO YOU CANT PUT RINGTONES ON YOUR SIDEKICK UNLESS YOU'RE A DEVELOPER, AND NO YOU CANT BE A DEVELOPER. PUT 2 AND 2 TOGETHER, ITS IMPOSSIBLE

..honestly it was good info though, on how impossible it is to get tones n stuff into the sidekick, heh

thanks for all who put time into this,, put seriously, close the thread and leave a huge note in the first post that its not possible!!

-mat

Posted by: Alge

Quote:

Originally Posted by nstabl

wow, what a waste of so much time reading all that to NO solution, someone should post in the FIRST thread all the facts please..just in big bold letters.. NO YOU CANT PUT RINGTONES ON YOUR SIDEKICK UNLESS YOU'RE A DEVELOPER, AND NO YOU CANT BE A DEVELOPER. PUT 2 AND 2 TOGETHER, ITS IMPOSSIBLE

..honestly it was good info though, on how impossible it is to get tones n stuff into the sidekick, heh

thanks for all who put time into this,, put seriously, close the thread and leave a huge note in the first post that its not possible!!

-mat

You CAN be a developer, its just most people are just to lazy to learn java and submit it to danger.

Posted by: PURESKILLZZZ

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alge

You CAN be a developer, its just most people are just to lazy to learn java and submit it to danger.

Ok thats true but if you lucky to get a developer to sponser you then you can easily apply for a key...