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Super Cell phones in 2005
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Posted by: Levent

Samsung's SPH-S2300 cell phone sports a 3.2-megapixel camera; stream TV and feature-length videos (at smoother frame rates than what's available today); and play realistic 3D games, thanks to graphics chips like the NVidia GeForce 3D 4500 that have introduced 3D acceleration and texture mapping to mobile handsets.

The Samsung SPH-V5400 has a 1.5GB hard drive. Cell phones equipped with tiny, 1-inch drives aren't far off, either. The first such phone, Samsung's SPH-V5400 with a 1.5GB drive, will be available in Korea soon, and analyst Jon Peddie expects that cell phones packing hard drives will appear in the United States in 2005. Drive capacities could go as high as 10GB, allowing users to store lots of MP3s, high-resolution images, and movies.

Source: PC World

P.S. Please add your news about 2005 upcoming cells to the thread, thank you.

Posted by: Delta

That isn't even a camera phone anymore. It's like a phone camera.

The buttons might take a bit of getting used to.

Posted by: Levent

I think V5400 has an OLED screen,too. I like the way it looks and most probably I won't have enough money buy neither of those when they come to market next year

Posted by: dougthacker

Don't worry. You live in the U.S., so you're not likely to see them next year, or ever.

Korea and Japan are full of great phones we don't have. I wonder when U.S. carriers are going to get hip to cool phones and the excitement ($$$) they generate. But maybe the problem is the FCC.

Posted by: jyalexop2003

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Originally posted by dougthacker
Don't worry. You live in the U.S., so you're not likely to see them next year, or ever.

Korea and Japan are full of great phones we don't have. I wonder when U.S. carriers are going to get hip to cool phones and the excitement ($$$) they generate. But maybe the problem is the FCC.

The problem is the American consumer.
They want everything free and don't care much for fast internet on a tiny cell phone.
In Japan and other SE Asian countries, many spend 2 or 3 hours on the train/subwaya and use their phone for much more.
In the US most drive vehicles.
Just look at the success of Walmart/Sam's Club.
Even the rich here want the cheapest prices,
even if the product is inferior..

Posted by: dougthacker

Don't be so quick to blame it on the "consumer". After all, we're "consumers", right?

The problem is more, in my view, the consertvatism and narrow thinking of the American companies and the F.C.C. In general, the consuming public buys what it's told to buy. You can bet that the latest and greatest phones would be hot here, if American companies wanted them to be. Why wouldn't they want them to be, you ask? Because somehow they think their interests are better served by going slowly. Or maybe they just don't have, in general, the vision to see the profit possibilities. In any event, the question is a lot bigger than the American consumer.

Posted by: braindead5400

no he's right, its been discussed several times. Super high end phones with super high end prices cannot make it here right now because consumers aren't looking to invest that much money in a cell phone. If everyone was willing to spend alot of money on things like phones, them you'd see many more high end phones than you do know. I still see plenty of people, shopping at some of the most expensive stores in chicago, using nokia 6260's (the old one, not the new symbian one).

Posted by: dougthacker

I hear what you're saying. People don't see the need for an expensive phone because they don't understand how they might benefit by it or why they need it. In fact they don't understand it, period, in many cases. But that can change. That's what I'm saying.

Back in the seventies a number of big companies had first crack at the personal computer. They all said, "Nah, it'll never fly. The American consumer has no need for it. And even if they did, they could never figure out how to use it."

It took smaller, more adventurous companies to see both the need and the potential of the PC. And it took companies who were less likely to "misunderestimate" the consumer, who, it turned out, took to the PC pretty well.

Posted by: twopiece

IMHO, it is mostly on the consumer side.

In Korea, something like 60% of users upgrade their phone in 6-9 months. Some of their high end phones cost in excess of $600.00

Here in the US, many sign a 1 year or 2 year contract. I know a few that are pushing 2 years plus with their phones because they don't need internet or text messaging but merely something that sends and receives calls.

Posted by: jdhayes

It also might be that the cellular carriers in this country provide such a convoluted set of offerings, plans, restrictions, caveats and god knows what else, that penetration for some of the higher-end functions is limited because people like myself just plain fundamentally mistrust them.

The agony that I'm going through now being an ATTW customer is just one example. I find it astonishing that I'm a geek by profession and I'm still baffled by choosing a cell phone and a plan.

Posted by: dougthacker

Yep, I agree. And that's something I've been thinking about lately. The carriers and their plans and policies, I mean. Everything, often, is as you say so convoluted, crippled, restricted, and so on, that it just doesn't seem worth it, I think, for most people. And who wants to pay by the kilobyte for data? And yet that's the way most carriers have things set up.

I had AT&T Wireless at one time. Their customer service was just horrible. Now, I have T-Mobile. Their customer service is, by comparison, first-rate; and their plans pretty straight forward. I pay, all told, about $50 a month for 600 minutes, free nights/weekends, and unlimited data access on my handset. To me, that seems like a fair price, but I wouldn't want to pay more.

If the plans were straight forward and reasonably priced - and if the data were flat rate - I think more people would embrace higher function devices.

Posted by: Levent

i agree with you.

Posted by: NGio666

I think of it as BS between carriers. If they really wanted to they coulda done all of that but everything cost $$$ for them.

Otherwise we would only have rogers. Ugh!

Down goes another carrier...

Posted by: Ben555

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Samsung's SPH-S2300 cell phone sports a 3.2-megapixel camera; stream TV and feature-length videos (at smoother frame rates than what's available today); and play realistic 3D games, thanks to graphics chips like the NVidia GeForce 3D 4500 that have introduced 3D acceleration and texture mapping to mobile handsets.

The Samsung SPH-V5400 has a 1.5GB hard drive. Cell phones equipped with tiny, 1-inch drives aren't far off, either. The first such phone, Samsung's SPH-V5400 with a 1.5GB drive, will be available in Korea soon, and analyst Jon Peddie expects that cell phones packing hard drives will appear in the United States in 2005. Drive capacities could go as high as 10GB, allowing users to store lots of MP3s, high-resolution images, and movies.

Source: PC World

P.S. Please add your news about 2005 upcoming cells to the thread, thank you.

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This is great news, you should check this out

>>>New Samsung phones <<<<

Posted by: Levent

Thx for giving information about upcoming phones. Here is another one by Moto; --->E815

Check this link;
http://www.mobile-review.com/phonem...a-e815-en.shtml

Posted by: Ben555

Hey that's nice!

Posted by: Levent

Hi ppl, here is the other thread by me for more pictures of these Super Samsung Phones.

http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...591#post4476591

Posted by: Control Track

I respectfully disagree with the thought that the American consumer doesn't want to pay high-end prices for a high-end phone and is just content to get the freebie that comes with the plan. The biggest and best example of this is the enormous success of the Motorola Razr V3. I mean, $500 for a phone that's biggest sell is its nice design and it has bluetooth? But they've sold over 750,000 units! Simple math puts their revenues into the $350-$400 million dollar range for just ONE handset. While you have phones like Blackberry, Audiovox SMT 5600, and even the underperforming Moto MPx220 that have more features and more potential for less than half the price. My theory is marketing. How many Razr commercials have you seen? They've been bombarding the airwaves and making it a commodity to own like the iPod. Now chic, young, WEALTHY hipsters can have a phone that by nature & price puts them in an elite club so people who see them using the phone think they're cool. I'm not talking about the people on this board who are genuinley into gadgets obviously. But you don't see this marketing with the MPx220 or even the gadget-geeks w*t dre@m MPX. The only other phone I've noticed with this much marketing is the Sidekick II. But just think about what is available, and then what the companies acutally push. They coulda sold millions of smartphones had they put the money behind it.

Posted by: Levent

I totally agree with you.

Posted by: Levent

OK! Check Moto's new beautiful V8 (original thread http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...threadid=566048 ) ;

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The Motorola SLVR V8 makes the most of your mobile experience by leveraging EDGE technology for high speed data exchange, allowing video messages to be shared without delay and downloads to be completed quickly.

Capture events in real time with video and audio and then share with friends and family via Multimedia Messaging Service (MMS). This savvy mobile is more than just a productivity tool – use it as your vehicle for self-expression. Ultra thin is in.

When it’s time to work, utilize the mobile’s speakerphone for conference calls on the go. Motorola's Dynamic Idle solution provides zero-click access to news, sports, entertainment, and weather -- your favorite content available 24/7 on your phone's home screen, keeping you up-to-date and in-the-know! And, be sure to stay in sync – Bluetooth technology provides wire-free connections to Bluetooth-enabled PCs and PDAs for simple sharing of calendars, contacts and more.

Size: 57 cc
Weight: 3.4 ounces, 85 grams
Battery: 820 mAh Li-ion
Talk Time: up to 250 – 380 minutes
Standby Time: up to 310 – 420 hours
Display: 126 x 220,1.9” TFT with up to 262K colors
Features:
•EDGE for rapid data exchange, wireless modem, fast downloads and more*
•Sleek, ultra thin design without sacrificing advanced functionality
•Integrated VGA camera with 4 x zoom
•Music and video capture and playback supporting MPEG 4 and MP3 files
•Bluetooth Class 2 wireless technology to support cable-free connections with compatible devices including PDAs, PCs, printers, car kits and more
•PTT with presence indicators and integrated hands-free speakerphone
•MP3 player to store, repeat, shuffle and play favorite tunes; 22Khz polyphonic speaker
•Up to 5 MB embedded memory; up to 256 MB expandable TransFlash memory
•Motorola's Dynamic Idle solution, for zero-click access to your favorite news, sports, entertainment, and weather
•WAP 2.0
•Messaging via MMS, IM Wireless Village and email (POP3, SMTP)
•J2ME™ MIDP 2.0
•Downloadable games, wallpapers, MP3s and more*
Connectivity: Mini USB connector, Bluetooth

Posted by: Levent

check this link to see the newest Motorola phones;

http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...threadid=568013

Posted by: braindead5400

Quote:

Originally posted by Control Track
I respectfully disagree with the thought that the American consumer doesn't want to pay high-end prices for a high-end phone and is just content to get the freebie that comes with the plan. The biggest and best example of this is the enormous success of the Motorola Razr V3. I mean, $500 for a phone that's biggest sell is its nice design and it has bluetooth? But they've sold over 750,000 units! Simple math puts their revenues into the $350-$400 million dollar range for just ONE handset. While you have phones like Blackberry, Audiovox SMT 5600, and even the underperforming Moto MPx220 that have more features and more potential for less than half the price. My theory is marketing. How many Razr commercials have you seen? They've been bombarding the airwaves and making it a commodity to own like the iPod. Now chic, young, WEALTHY hipsters can have a phone that by nature & price puts them in an elite club so people who see them using the phone think they're cool. I'm not talking about the people on this board who are genuinley into gadgets obviously. But you don't see this marketing with the MPx220 or even the gadget-geeks w*t dre@m MPX. The only other phone I've noticed with this much marketing is the Sidekick II. But just think about what is available, and then what the companies acutally push. They coulda sold millions of smartphones had they put the money behind it.

The V3 is simply an exception. The phone puts form over function and everyone wants a phone that they can show off. I see V3's everyday, but not once have I seen a Samsung P735 or a Nokia 7610. Both those phones are at or near the top of their respective carriers line-ups, but they don't do well with sales.

You can also see it in the Sharp TM-150, it has dropped in price significantly because it hasn't sold well. Why would a company want to spend the money to put its best onto the american market when they see phones such as these doing terribly in sales?

Posted by: Mark Larson

Well to be honest, the TM150 is pretty big and ugly. So it has a MP sensor and a nice screen. I don't see the advantages of those, they aren't enough to make me give up size.

I'm a primarily phone user, you know why? Because data is slow, useless (for the most part), and calls are cheap and/or free.

Should i weaken my eyesight looking at a tiny screen for movie listings, or should I call the movie theater and find out? If I was in Europe, the call could cost 25c, but the data would be free. Choice is clear.

European companies also have more presence on the wap web than here.

I admit, data is priceless sometimes, especially when you're away from the computer and need to look something up, but that's about the only time its useful. Its too much of a pain to deal with otherwise.

Posted by: bossdragon

Has anybody looked into the Chi Mei UCP-100 with Kineto's technology yet?

Looks and sounds like a really nice phone.

Here's the REVIEW .

Posted by: howing

i agree with the argument that the problem with which why US phones are such rubbish boils down to consumer demand. we don't need to talk about Japan, as it is such an extreme, and is a rather isolated country, but look at other countries in Asia. most people are willing to spend more than $600-$800 on a mobile, whilst the average American would spend $100. what asians look for is design, quality, size, and the technology that it offers. what most americans look for is the price, the cheaper, the better. look at how well contracts work out for american carriers? when a customer signs a contract for 2 years, it pretty much guarantees that even if a new mobile were to come out before that, the customer would not be interested in buying that mobile. this translates to the lesser demand for american carriers to even shop for newer/fresher mobiles to lure customers. americans work on a loyalty basis, whilst asian work on a recruitment basis. what i mean by that is, americans are perfectly content with sticking to the same service so long as it doesn't fail - no matter how rubbish their mobile is or how ridiculous their price plans are. in contrast with asians who always look for the cheaper plan, carriers are inclined to offer better plans, and better phones to lure the customer to sign up. the transition is much greater for asian carriers, and arguably, business is much harder to do in asia. in Japan now, for instance, their mobiles are very cheap, but their plans are very expensive - to the american consumer. most of you won't even think about paying $80 a month, we do. we pay a basic monthly fee, then on top of that, every minute and messages used. we have a contract, in that, which means that we have to prove our citizenship in Japan, but otherwise, means absolutely nothing. we could cancel within a month and the phone is ours to keep. the phone is useless however, because it is married to the carrier, and the number. it doesn't operate in GSM format...

stop.

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