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Posted by: Lowrider

My first post in this forum, my first SHARP too...

Well, this thing is huge, and I thought my Nokia 6600 was big...

First comment of my wife, this looks like a sandwich...

Now, it is very well finished, the display is beautifull, the camera fantastic, and its software way above my skills...

Nonos:

it wont accept MP3 as ringtones,
it doesnt take long names, as Nokia does,
I cannot work with the media player, I really dont care,
Bluetooth is not straight forward, as Nokia...

Posted by: ajamils

Congrats !! can you please post some pics that you have taken with the phone ?

Thanks

Posted by: Lowrider

I will post photos when I finally take some...

It is quite anoying that the phone keeps displaying accept screens, even after the function was finalized and there is no reject option... even using infrared and bluetooth, it also requires password for the later...

Another silly feature, when we use the voice recorder it records AMR files wich cannoy be used as ringtones...

Anyone knows how to convert AMR to MIDI or whatever it accepts...

Posted by: ma123

Yep would agree here, it is big perhaps too big but price we have to pay for screen, camera etc. I also agree the menus appear clumsy and this coming from somebody who uses a SP3 with Windows as his alternative. Not had a problem with Bluetooth, paired first time with my headset although the no voice dialling is a glaring omission IMO.
The media player is superb, the adapter included allows you to use any headphones you like, the cables are also included to view photos on the TV. Still yet to take any decent pics. as mostly been playing. The Voda downloads are fast and display very clearly. Overall a pretty good phone although the size is a factor.

Posted by: ajamils

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Originally posted by ma123
Yep would agree here, it is big perhaps too big but price we have to pay for screen, camera etc. I also agree the menus appear clumsy and this coming from somebody who uses a SP3 with Windows as his alternative. Not had a problem with Bluetooth, paired first time with my headset although the no voice dialling is a glaring omission IMO.
The media player is superb, the adapter included allows you to use any headphones you like, the cables are also included to view photos on the TV. Still yet to take any decent pics. as mostly been playing. The Voda downloads are fast and display very clearly. Overall a pretty good phone although the size is a factor.

Please post pics for us to see the quality.

Posted by: ma123

If you go to Page 3 of the "Sharp 902 Release" thread - Omega.One has posted some pics. of the phone.

Posted by: ajamils

those are not good quality pics.

Posted by: Lowrider

I found a program that converts AMR to WAV, but the program from Yamaha that converts WAV to MMF doesnt like those WAVes, then I found a WAV editor, just open and save the file and bingo...

So now I can record with the 902, copy to PC, do all those conversions, back to 902 and use it as ringtone, simple...

Also found a MP3 to WAV converter, so I can also use MP3 as ringtone, sort of...

All freeware, no demos...

Posted by: Lowrider

Another very useful feature that Nokia has and the others keep ignoring:

Predefined number, when a contact has more than one number you can predefine one of them and it will be dialed if you just select the name and press call...

It is a waist of time to have to choose one number, not to mention that many times it is dificult to read, for instance under bright day light, compounded with tired vision from "old age"...

Posted by: kajama

others?
no no not all others do that
SonyEricsson does have this feature
Default number
;-)

Posted by: Lowrider

Probably Symbian...

Posted by: razor1911

pls post photo taken with 902

Posted by: Lowrider

the manual doesnt tell you more then press the button, so I have not had time to learn yet, just took this two pics today...

Posted by: braindead5400

whats the deal with the vertical lines?

Posted by: Lowrider

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Originally posted by braindead5400
whats the deal with the vertical lines?

No idea, it was quite sunny, so I could not see the display very well...

I have to play with the camera a lot more, had no time to do it yet, there is a rectangle that appears, then another smaller, then the shutter noise, I have no idea when it focus, or how it does it...

For the above pics, I had it in lowest quality, biggest size, then shrunk it with Paint Shop to 1/3 of the original size...

Posted by: Lowrider

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Originally posted by braindead5400
whats the deal with the vertical lines?

Thought a bit more about it, must be the sun hitting the lens...

Posted by: amnesia

does anyone know if the phone can be unlocked?

Im in Japan and going to the UK, and they said to unlock it in the UK if possible.

Posted by: ma123

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Originally posted by Lowrider
No idea, it was quite sunny, so I could not see the display very well...

I have to play with the camera a lot more, had no time to do it yet, there is a rectangle that appears, then another smaller, then the shutter noise, I have no idea when it focus, or how it does it...

For the above pics, I had it in lowest quality, biggest size, then shrunk it with Paint Shop to 1/3 of the original size...

The autofocus is set when the shrinking box goes from white to green.

Posted by: amnesia

i guess that means nobody knows

Posted by: ajamils

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Originally posted by amnesia
i guess that means nobody knows

It can be unlocked but japanese phones do not work outside japan.

Posted by: Lowrider

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Originally posted by ma123
The autofocus is set when the shrinking box goes from white to green.

Maybe you can help me here, there is that shrinking box, then the large box again, then it takes the picture, regardeless if I press and leave my finger on or just a quick press, but if I set it to manual focus it just takes the picture imediatelly, without any boxes...

Also, if I quick press twice it sometimes does the shrinking box thing, and takes the picture, without doing the large box again...

Why does it take so long to focus ?

Posted by: ma123

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Originally posted by Lowrider
Maybe you can help me here, there is that shrinking box, then the large box again, then it takes the picture, regardeless if I press and leave my finger on or just a quick press, but if I set it to manual focus it just takes the picture imediatelly, without any boxes...

Also, if I quick press twice it sometimes does the shrinking box thing, and takes the picture, without doing the large box again...

Why does it take so long to focus ?

If you set the focus to manual then the camera when the button is pressed will just fire off a photo, results from manual focus are mixed. Selecting autofocus causes the camera to attempt to focus on the area where the green shrinking box ends up.
I agree the autofocus takes an age to focus, I might be wrong but does also appear to be affected by the amount of available light but even then the time it takes it is only of any use if you like to take photos of eg trees. Getting kids or dogs etc. to sit still for it to focus is impossible. Even when it has focussed there is still the job of keeping it still whilst taking the photo. I have already decided as commented in another thread mines going back, too many annoying things for me too live with.

Posted by: Lowrider

It sure is annoying, but the flipable display is SO handy to take pictures, my fingers always get on the way of the lens in normal phone/cameras...

I have proof that it has what it takes to make good pics, its a question of some patience, and maybe a new release of the software, how is SHARP about this...

And the display is the best...

Posted by: amnesia

@ ajamils, they do work outside of Japan. Just not all of them. All of the Vodafone 3G phones work outside of Japan and that is a guarantee. (they are the only network that uses Sim cards)

e.g. I had a 6630 from Japan unlocked which I used in the UK and Middle East.

The Vodafone rep here in Japan also confirmed that the Sharp 902sh works around the world, however it is locked to the Vodafone network. That is why I asked if it was possible to unlock it.

Hope Ive provided new information for you.

Posted by: ajamils

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Originally posted by amnesia
@ ajamils, they do work outside of Japan. Just not all of them. All of the Vodafone 3G phones work outside of Japan and that is a guarantee. (they are the only network that uses Sim cards)

e.g. I had a 6630 from Japan unlocked which I used in the UK and Middle East.

The Vodafone rep here in Japan also confirmed that the Sharp 902sh works around the world, however it is locked to the Vodafone network. That is why I asked if it was possible to unlock it.

Hope Ive provided new information for you.

Thanks for the info buddy. I didn't knew about that.

Posted by: j-kheops

hey all. i taught that the japanese cell phones have U-SIM Cards... i don't think that it will work with a normal SIM Card... or i am wrong.

if our SIM cards work maybe i gonna get one in tokyo... be there in february

Posted by: ofiaich

j-kheops

until recently, Japanese phones didn't have sim cards at all!

ajamils

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e.g. I had a 6630 from Japan unlocked which I used in the UK and Middle East.

Did you buy this as a stand-a-lone phone in Japan? i.e. no contract and no need to prove resident status?

I think, but am awaiting to be corrected, that you cannot buy a mobile 'only' in Japan.

thanks!

Ofiaich

Posted by: j-kheops

thanks for answering. i know that only the 3G phones from Vodafone do have SIM cards in japan... but they are called U-SIM and i don't know if it is really the same thing as our SIM cards... you know what i mean?

Posted by: amnesia

two things. First of all, they DO use USIM. USIM is NOT for Japan, but for use with 3G networks. E.g. Three UK uses a USIM, I'm using it right now.

Phones that use USIM CAN be unlocked to use normal sim cards.

I dont know why the question of how I obtained the original phone was asked, but fine I'll ellaborate. My fiance is Japanese. She has a home in Niigata and was able to get a contract phone for me. So she got the contract in her name for me. In Japan, you CAN get a contract phone even if you are not Japanese if you have a special visa and explain that you need the phone for a certain time period and can provide an address to the location where you will be staying.

In Japan they also dont have time periods on contracts (e.g. UK is 12 months usually), so I can cancel it at any time for a cancellation fee of 15 pounds.

In Japan, Docomo and Vodafone both have pay as you go phones. Docomo is stopping their pay as you go system since so much crime is conducted using those phones.
Vodafone pay as you go phones use CDMA so there is no use of buying them.
(if that is what you meant by stand-a-lone)

If you meant Sim free, you can get a phone sim free if you prove you have a contract with them. So, if I got a phone, told them I lost it, and asked for another one, I could buy it.

In Japan people generally are honest and dont cheat.
(i.e. Stores leave unattached working items for people to try out, outside the store itself.)

Anyway, I hope that answered any queries you may have had.

Posted by: ofiaich

amnesia

thanks for your reply,

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I dont know why the question of how I obtained

because it is usual to ask for proof of residential status. So your fiance bought it for you! Great!

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In Japan they also dont have time periods on contracts (e.g. UK is 12 months usually), so I can cancel it at any time for a cancellation fee of 15 pounds.

Yes, but I think you have to give the mobile phone, charger etc back to the service provider.

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(if that is what you meant by stand-alone)

No, I mean that I can buy a phone here in the UK that does not have a sim at all. Of course, I might pay 200 or more pounds depnding on the model.

For example, I can buy a phone from expansys without a sim... and put my own sim in it.

Thanks again,

Ofiaich

Posted by: amnesia

Hi,
No you dont give back your mobile phone. My fiance (who studies with me in the UK now) has had her phone for 3 years now and has cancelled and reapplied many times. (this is not only for phones that use Sim cards, but also CDMA)

As for the standalone issue.

"If you meant Sim free, you can get a phone sim free if you prove you have a contract with them. So, if I got a phone, told them I lost it, and asked for another one, I could buy it.

In Japan people generally are honest and dont cheat.
(i.e. Stores leave unattached working items for people to try out, outside the store itself.)"

If you mean not getting another phone without a new contract and no contract at all whatsoever, then you can get them "number free" rather than simfree.
You then go later to the network you want and they program it to actually work.
(sorry if it's not clear to understand)
e.g. I buy a CDMA phone, it's disabled, I go to Docomo, and they activate it for me. Same for sim phones, except you just get the chip.
Obviously commercial stores dont sell them since they try to push the network forward rather than the phone itself, but you can get it from anywhere. Especially Akihabara (in Tokyo)

I think I'll take this chance to mention that my mobile site has just opened a little online store for the UK people.

Http://mobile.oxygen-inc.com

Posted by: ofiaich

amnesia

thanks for your post. It is very clear!

I have been to Japan 7 times and can speak, read and write Japanese. Maybe not perfectly but I am undestood 90% of the time! Same as with my English!

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No you dont give back your mobile phone.

I thought you would if the contract was so new! But I guess it is is 'de-activated' then it just becomes a pretty paperweight!

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You then go later to the network you want and they program it to actually work.

But is this true with a Sharp 902sh and a Sony Ericsson 802se? Because they have u-sim's?

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buy a CDMA phone, it's disabled, I go to Docomo

OK. I am wondering whether a friend could buy a Sharp 902sh for me, send it to the UK and I pop in a Vodafone 3G sim and hey presto, all works!

I am looking at your site now! I will PM you!

Take care and thanks!

Ofiaich

Posted by: amnesia

Hey there,
Since the Vodafone phones uses a sim, it'll work.

When I first went to the Yodabashi camera in Niigata, I met a guy who works in the phone department who shared a secret with me.
He said that they usually dont allow contracts that are cancelled two days later, so you tell them you're going to stay for a month, then go a few days later and say you had an emergency and need to cancel the contract.

Obviously they let you keep the phone. (you basically pay for it anyway 120 pounds) (thats for the sharp)

Phones in Japan are MEGA cheap since they are made for the network specificially. My fiance bought a SE 5050i for 5p.

It's great. The only issue is unlocking it to work with other USIMS. the V800 works fine since it can be unlocked. But the Sharp hasn't been able to be unlocked at the moment. (but I hear mixed answers)

Posted by: ofiaich

Hi!

Thanks for your many detailed replies!

My reason for wanting the Japanese model is because I want to send and receive mail in Japanese.

The UK handsets can't receive it. The message being 'invalid character set'.

I believe the Japanese model will allow me to send and receive mail successful.

I can send and receive my mail in Japanese now but it is by using a Tungsten T3 Palm and connect it with Bluetooth to the K700i but it is a nuisance sometimes carrying two devices!

I would love to get a S-E 802se or a Sharp 902sh but will not travel to Japan til next July....!

Maybe I can persuade a friend there to get me one!

Thanks again!

Ofiaich

Posted by: amnesia

well if you can get your friend to send one over, maybe you could do me a favour as well and get me one...
I was going to get one the day that I was going to travel but my fiance forgot her stamp (Japan use signatures and stamps) and so we couldn't cancel the contract without it. (although it still works out cheaper to have a contract for 6 months and not using it than the UK)

Posted by: ofiaich

Hi!

I will try! I asked two friends and am awaiting replies!

Both work crazy hours and I hope they let me know soon!

Ofiaich

Posted by: Krs5001

So i just want to clarify something
if i get a Sharp 902Sh or Sharp 801sh.
and if i bring it back with me to canada and get it unlocked if i cant get it already unlocked i can just punch in a rogers GSM sim card. and i am all set to go?

if i am missing something could you plz explain if its possible to use a japanese phone in canada.

thank you

Posted by: [IFC]Area51

Those are indeed vertical lines from the sun rays, i must say that second picture is pretty sharp...get it? sharp, hehehehehe.

Posted by: amnesia

i wouldnt know about Canada since I dont know your Band. Check the specs and see what Bands the phone supports.

E.g. the 6630 is triband and works in most countries.

If it has a sim card, can be unlocked to accept other sim cards (accepting one sim is a lock not built into the phone) and has the same band, then your set.

Posted by: howing

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Originally posted by amnesia
i wouldnt know about Canada since I dont know your Band. Check the specs and see what Bands the phone supports.

E.g. the 6630 is triband and works in most countries.

If it has a sim card, can be unlocked to accept other sim cards (accepting one sim is a lock not built into the phone) and has the same band, then your set.

what if the sim card i want to use with an unlocked 902sh is not 3G? and not with Vodafone? I have an Orange phone here in the UK that I wish to use on the 902sh. getting the 902sh to me is no problem, i'm going to japan. just wanted to make sure it works.

Posted by: amnesia

obviously I cant say 100% but lets use this example.
I had a 7600 that was locked a USIM, i unlocked it and was able to use my Voda sim.

Posted by: AL9999

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Originally posted by Krs5001
So i just want to clarify something
if i get a Sharp 902Sh or Sharp 801sh.
and if i bring it back with me to canada and get it unlocked if i cant get it already unlocked i can just punch in a rogers GSM sim card. and i am all set to go?

if i am missing something could you plz explain if its possible to use a japanese phone in canada.

thank you

You'd have no problem with the 902SH, but the 801SH is a different story as no one has ever succeeded in unlocking one (Vodafone Japan refuses to do it). So you'll have better luck with a 902SH or 802SH.

Posted by: ofiaich

AL9999!

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You'd have no problem with the 902SH, but the 801SH is a different story as no one has ever succeeded in unlocking one (Vodafone Japan refuses to do it).

So have Vodafone Japan unlocked the 902sh on request?

or did you get it unlocked outside of Japan?

I would like the 902sh with it's Japanese menu's and email to use in the UK.

Thanks!

Ofiaich

Posted by: AL9999

Nah I haven't got one myself. I actually live in Australia so a bit far from Japan

I'd love to have a Japanese 902SH for the same reasons as you

But actually I don't think Vodafone Japan even have the capability to unlock phones, because there is no need for it at all (due to Japan's mobile phone culture, all phones are customised for each carrier's services, so unlocking a phone to use with another carrier would be a waste of time as half the phone would be useless).

The thing is, the 802SH and 902SH are based on the same software base as the GX series of phones, meaning someone should figure out how to unlock them soon enough. The 801SH is based on Sharp's Japanese market phones' software base, hence no one knows how to unlock them.

Next time, I wish Sharp would make the same software for their phones across Japan and Europe so that the European models have the Japanese font and input software

Posted by: ofiaich

Hi AL9999!

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Nah I haven't got one myself. I actually live in Australia so a bit far from Japan

I am in Yorkshire, England. How about if I send you the bus fare too and from the airport?

Are you Australian ? I am Irish living in England but with strong links to Japan!

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all phones are customised for each carrier's services, so unlocking a phone to use with another carrier would be a waste of time as half the phone would be useless).

I would like a Japanese Vodafone Sharp 902sh to be unlocked so that I could use it in the UK on Vodafone with a UK contract.

I heard, but I do not know, that the Japanese phone is also country locked!

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The thing is, the 802SH and 902SH are based on the same software base as the GX series of phones, meaning someone should figure out how to unlock them soon enough.

I hope so!

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Next time, I wish Sharp would make the same software so that the European models have the Japanese font and input software

That's exactly what I want. I am using a Tungsten T3 with a S-E K700i for my Japanese email needs. I don't want to carry two devices!

Ofiaich

Posted by: Darthchilli

i just want one unlocked so i can use it in canada

Posted by: kaizoku_san

So here's my situation:

I too am from Canada and want a 902SH. Either that or a Sharp 902. But since nobody seems to have actually found out if either have successfully been unlocked, I might just try it out myself.

My friend Shota said he would bid on anything I want on Yahoo Japan auctions, have it shipped to his family in Japan and then ship it here.

I saw on there a 902SH for 11 000 yen, approx $130 CDN. Shipping within Japan isn't bad, and getting it here would be roughly another $30. So let's say $160 altogether.

Does anyone think it's worth it to test and see what I can do about poppin' in a normal Rogers SIM card and see if I can get this thing to work?

Also, how do people feel about this auction? : http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ssPageName=WDVW

I mean.. not a bad price, and it says it's SIM free and unlocked to any network. First alright sounding auction I've seen there cause he has good feedback. The only prob is the fact that there's no pics and he has 5 available, strangely...

Posted by: AL9999

Yeah, exactly what I was thinking. I'd also like to know how he got his set of 902s unlocked, as he is located in the UK, and 902s in the UK are usually shipped locked to Vodafone. I'd ask him for some pictures of the phones and their packaging, and how he got them unlocked as well. Price of 200 pounds is not a bad price if you were buying it in the UK. Obviously it would be cheaper to get it from Japan considering the huge price difference.

If there is a third party service on the internet or somewhere unlocking European 902s, I don't see why the same service wouldn't work with the Japanese 902SH, so if you could find one of those, just go for the 902SH

Posted by: ugliduckey

I WOULD like to have one.. dose anyone know where i can get it ....plz

Posted by: amnesia

Voda-UK
Voda-Japan (formerly J-Phone)

Posted by: AL9999

A lot of Voda territories are selling it now, mainly on contracts. Voda UK, Voda Germany, SFR France, Voda Italia, Voda Sweden and Voda Japan to name a few.

Posted by: ugliduckey

so how do i get the phone... and do they come with unlock... plz tell me

Posted by: ofiaich

ugliduckey

http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...780#post4486780

Ofiach