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Verizon or Cingular? And then, which phone?
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Posted by: dogbert5

I live in the New York/New Jersey area. I am looking to get a new provider and a new cell phone. As I understand it, the pro of Verizon and its CDMA is that the quality/coverage is just better, while the pro of Cingular and its GSM is that it has more and better phones.

Which is more important, do you guys think, in the long run? Is the quality so much better that I should settle for a slightly worse phone? Or should I go for the better phone?

Here's what I'm looking for in my phone:
-Text Messaging
-Color
-Camera (and picture messaging)
-Speakerphone
-Voice memo
-Voice dialing
-Good Notes & Calendar
-e-mail (maybe not)
-web

Naturally, i want low weight and dimensions and high battery life. Battery life is more important to me than weight or dimensions, though.

Thanks for any help,
Eric

Posted by: Levent

no cdma no verizon, i'd go for t-mobile, if not cingular.

Posted by: dogbert5

what is your reasoning?

Posted by: dogbert5

Also, according to phonescoop.com, the E398 has currnently no US carriers. is that a mistake? or does it just mean that you have to buy it separately? or does it mean that you can't use it at all with any US wireless provider?

Posted by: Levent

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Originally posted by dogbert5
what is your reasoning?

most of the good phones don't work on cdma.

Posted by: Levent

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Originally posted by dogbert5
Also, according to phonescoop.com, the E398 has currnently no US carriers. is that a mistake? or does it just mean that you have to buy it separately? or does it mean that you can't use it at all with any US wireless provider?

yes i needed to buy e398 seperately. I use T-mobile.

Posted by: dogbert5

well, yes, i understand that most of the good phones dont work on CDMA, but I've heard that CDMA has better reception and coverage where i live (NYC/NJ, USA) (i said this in first post).

so my question is why is having the better phone a more important factor than having the better coverage/reception of CDMA?

sorry i wasn't clear

Posted by: bossdragon

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Originally posted by dogbert5
well, yes, i understand that most of the good phones dont work on CDMA, but I've heard that CDMA has better reception and coverage where i live (NYC/NJ, USA) (i said this in first post).

so my question is why is having the better phone a more important factor than having the better coverage/reception of CDMA?

sorry i wasn't clear

Whats the use in having a fancy/nice phone if you can't use it because of loss of reception/coverage?

The most important thing you should be concidering is coverage, then get the phone based on that.

At least IMHO.

Posted by: dogbert5

well, i think cingular coverage is fine in my area, but like maybe the reception quality isn't as nice..

i'm not actually sure. anyone from ny/nj area know how coverage/reception of CMDA compares with GSM in that area?

Posted by: Levent

if you think cdma coverage is better in your area then you should get the best phone works best with the reception.

Posted by: janemfkim

coverage is much more important than the phone...what good is a kick *** phone if you cant get reception?

Posted by: bossdragon

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Originally posted by janemfkim
coverage is much more important than the phone...what good is a kick *** phone if you cant get reception?

Hmmm....didn't I just say this a couple post's ago?

Posted by: Levent

great minds think alike

Posted by: dogbert5

Well, if i get GSM, what phones do you recommend?

Here's what I'm looking for in my phone:
-Text Messaging
-Color
-Camera (and picture messaging)
-Speakerphone
-Voice dialing (this not important)
-good expansion card
-Good Notes & Calendar (something good for a to-do list)
-Voice memo
-e-mail
-web
-Video recording (maybe)

and of course i want most importantly small, leight weight, long talk time battery life, and best reception.

The E398 looks really, really good, but it has mp3 player which i don't really want (i have an ipod), and it don't have video recording which i kinda want. Are there any phones that are similar to the E398 in terms of reception, battery life, and general build quality, while diferent in having video recording? (and preferably not having mp3).

list as many that you know of that fit this description, please

EDIT:
looking around myself and i found the Samsung D500, the Sony Ericcson S710a, and the nokia 6230 were good matches. except the d500 didn't have an expansion card, and the s710 was bulkier, and the nokia had kinda low talk-time

Posted by: Levent

tell me how much you can spend max. and i'll give you the best options

Posted by: dogbert5

i can spend any amount. i want something really nice. but where can i get price quotes on these things?

Here are phones that i found that seem like good options:

Samsung D500
Mitsubishi M900
Sony Ericsson S710a <--heavy
Motorola MPx220
Nokia 6230 <-- sreen size relatively small, relatively few colors
Panasonic X700
Motorla E398 <-only problem is lack of a few features
Motorola RAZR V3 <-- have heard this phone is slow and gets bad reception

most importantly i want something that is really solid -- responds quickly, is well built, gets good reception & works well as a phone, has an easy to see screen, and has well designed menus and buttons and stuff

but the business and entertainment features are important too; and it shouldn't weigh a ton...

thanks for any tips

Posted by: bossdragon

If thats the case, get a Audio 9900.

Best inside screen I have ever seen. Pictures are above average.

Probably the best build phone I have ever used.

Haven't lost a call with it (tri-mode).

Has some pretty good games to download.

MP3 capable (change the extention to mid to mail).

Price is so low, you'd shhit.

Problem is finding one. They are in such high demand the stores run out of them.

Later on, when the new phones come out with the latest gadget's, you can afford to buy it outright as this one didn't cost you a fortune to start with.

Of course this is MHO, which is worth what, 43 cents?????

Posted by: dogbert5

i will credit your paypal account for the amount of 43 cents

good day

Posted by: bennyboie

Now I know youre gonna think my answer is biased since I work for Cingular. But let me break it down to you like this.

CDMA is an older technology, but has had new life breathed into it because of the new EV-DO 1X technology. However, it still consists of analog and digital towers. What this means to the end user is that coverage can be wider. HOWEVER, this also leaves lots of room for "Roaming" charges because the network towers dont actually all belong to Verizon. On top of that, when u roam off the digital network into the analog network, you lose all the more advanced features such as MMS and other data. It costs more to run analog towers, which means the company is gonna pass the bill to you. Plus, Verizon is the biggest penny pinching comapny around... just read the articles... they restricted the bluetooth function on the otherwise great Moto V710 phone... and they are now dealing with a class action lawsuit for that... And they (Verizon) restricted it so that they can milk every penny for anything you wanna transfer through bluetooth.

GSM is based off the TDMA technology, and it is now the global standard. GSM not only lets you take advantage of the newer phones, it lets you take full advantage of your phone--what I mean is that you can roam internationally, and still use the advanced services... and on top of that, you can use prepaid SIM cards (even at different countries) and use your phone. Theres a lot more you can do with GSM. In terms of Coverage, CIngular wireless has actually gotten a LOT better in terms of reception after they bought out ATTW. Cingular is now a dual band company, which means your phone has two frequencies to choose from... the better reception tower being the preferred naturally. On top of that, Cingular now has the largest mobile to mobile community... do the math and it comes out to about 1 in every 3 cel #s you call is gonna be free.

Ok. Now that we got that out of the way, lets pick a phone. You seem like you want everything in a phone, which is what everyone wants. You have to prioritize whats more important to you... unfortunately there is no such thing as the PERFECT phone... so if weight and portability and size is the biggest issue, the V3, would be the best choice. Oh , and to answer your question, the V3 is the best RF phone that Cingular currently carries... and according to Motorola, it is the strongest performer (in terms of RF) that they have ever made... and many of my customers have confirmed that. If features is what you want, then look to the Nokia 6230 or the MPX220. Now all these phones are pretty high end phones, but u did say price was not an issue. I honestly would not get an unbranded unlocked phone from Ebay.... see the reason is, as the phones are being tested and branded, software particular to the service provider is loaded. For example, ATT's internet was MMode. The software is a lil bit different, so you would lose the internet capabilities using a ATT phone with Cingulars SIM. These are things to think about... Im going to end this reply here since ive written too much for one post.

Posted by: dogbert5

thanks for all that info. very helpful. i was confused because i swear i read someone say "soon everything is going to be CDMA". i guess he was playing a prank on me or he mispoke or something

anyway, i have decided to go for GSM and for a phone that is carried by either Cingular or t-mobile. here is a list of options that i came up with:

http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/fi...1r=r&f6r=r&s=ra

of these phones, which do you all like best and why?

i like the a630 a lot, but it has no to-do list which is really troublesome. do you know if it has any way of keeping notes at all?

--Eric

Posted by: dogbert5

okay im just gonna have to go to the store and try these different things out, that's the only way to be sure

Posted by: bennyboie

Dogbert... ok well simply put, the statement "everything is gonna be CDMA" is kinda sorta true. The long version goes like this... CDMAs been around forever. CDMA went through a revolution pretty recently, and thats what EV-DO is. TDMA went through a revolution some years ago, and thats what GSM is. GSM went through another revolution, and enter GPRS. GPRS went through a slight modification and thats what EDGE is. OK. Heres where it gets kinda weird.... ready?

EV-DO 1x is the next revolution for CDMA. EV-DO is available in a few (like 5) major cities in America, and thats about it (At least in North America). They upgrading to EV-DO 1x will happen throughout the next few years....

EDGE came out pretty recently. UMTS will start coming out within the next few years (about the same time as EV-DO 1x). Now, UMTS is a variant of CDMA, but is a far cry from CDMA. The thing is this. Cingular (and T-mobile, for that matter) has to be able to maintain and keep its 48.1 M customers that are all on TDMA/GSM, right? And Cingular cant tell all their existing customers to get new phones, so UMTS is gonna be a system that runs off of or hand in hand with GSM technology. That means one thing--it is not an entirely CDMA thing... cuz if it was, Cingular would have to replace ALLLLL of the towers, and at a few million a pop, that is not a business wise decision.

Basically, what Im trying to say is, GSM will remain GSM, CDMA will remain CDMA. But when we start getting to data and data transfer rates (remember...EV-DO 1x and UMTS will have no effect on voice calls), the 2 leading technology is gonna be CDMA-related, one being completely CDMA and the other being pseudo-CDMA. Why? It has to do with bandwidth, FCC approved frequencies, data packet routing, and maximizing potential end-user capacity.

I know this was a lot of info, but in all honesty, dont even worry about any of this yet. None of this new technology will be available for a few years, and none of this technology will be mainstream for even longer, which means go get the phone you want now, and by the time all this new technology is available, you will be ready/eligible for an upgrade with your provider. I mean, lets face it. Anyone that wants to use the newest technology will NEVER keep a phone for longer than 2 years, right???!!! so go out and shop! =)

Posted by: Levent

e398 is missing vide capture if that's cruical to you but then again it has stereo speakers which is second to none.

Posted by: bossdragon

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Originally posted by Levent
e398 is missing vide capture if that's cruical to you but then again it has stereo speakers which is second to none.

Do you actually use the phone as a mp3 player?

I mean I can't, I am in construction, and there's no way I could hear the speakers. I have tried with the LG 8000. I have bluetooth stereo buds for my 710 that work pretty good, but drains the living hella out of my battery.

Posted by: bossdragon

I couldn't have said it better......no really, I couldn't have....:laughs:

Posted by: Levent

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Originally posted by bossdragon
I couldn't have said it better......no really, I couldn't have....:laughs:

yes, i do. I'm not in construction.

Posted by: AaronT

I'd choose GSM over CDMA, but I live in Europe so I'm probably a little biased.

Out of your list of phones, I'd probably go for the Samsung D500. It's a very small and stylish phone. It doesn't have expandable memory but it does have 96MB of on-board memory. The megapixel camera is pretty decent too.

After that, I'd probably go for the Nokia 6230 (great phone, shame about the size of the screen) or the Panasonic X700 (very good if you want to sync with Outlook/Notes, but you might have trouble finding a stockist).

The SE 710A is pretty good too, but you'll probably find it a little large.

I haven't had any experience with the Mitsubishi D900 or the Motorola E398, so I can't really comment on them.

Lastly, I don't like the Motorola V3 or Motorola MPx220. Both have the initial "wow" factor, but I've been left ultimately disappointed by both. The V3 is slow, the phone book is terrible and the user interface looks like it was designed by a software engineer. The MPx220 is so bad that it got recalled at one stage. The camera is bad and the screen is bad. What's worst is that is touted as a smartphone but the Windows Smartphone OS it uses really doesn't have the same range of features and useability as it's more popular competitor, Symbian Series 60.

I don't know what the US operators are like, but in the UK you're usually given a 14 day period in which to return the phone if you find that the reception isn't good in your area. It might be worth taking a risk with GSM and seeing.

Posted by: bossdragon

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Originally posted by Levent
yes, i do. I'm not in construction.

How's battery life?

Well I guess what I should say is, how long do you use it? With my 710, the battery life (both the phone and the bluetooth headset) could go about an hour or so, then there had better be a charger close by or I'd be out of luck (and out of a phone).

Sounds like I need to head out on a search for a new phone.

I should maybe start really researching some of the newer phones.

Posted by: Levent

i have some posts about battery life of e398 around here somewhere. It's decent if you charge it completely.

Posted by: bossdragon

Cool...thanks.

Like I said, I think I'll start looking into the newer phones.

So far, the V710 blows, and the LG8000 while ok, just doesn't cut it for me.

Posted by: Levent

no prob.

Posted by: dogbert5

Thanks for all your help so far with the GSM/CDMA question and choosing a phone.

Okay, I've decided to go with Cingular and I'm now looking at the Siemens S66, the Motorola V551, the Nokia 6230, and the Nokia 6620.

Anyone have any comments on any of these four phones?

I have 30 days now to try them out. I will let you know what I find.

I think I may have to say No to the Siemens S66 before actually trying it out, because the keypad felt really horrible when I tried it in the store. (Can anyone confirm this? Or do you get used to it?)

One question: How delicate are the Nokia phones and the other bar-style phones? How careful do I have to be with one of them? Can I put it in my pocket? Or do I have to clip it to my belt or something? Is a clamshell phone (the v551) a lot more durable?

Another question: What accesories (e.g. leather cases) do you all think are good/cool/useful/necessary and why?

Posted by: Levent

6260 out of those 4.

Posted by: wetfrown

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Originally posted by Levent
6260 out of those 4.

Is the 6260 an option?

I have the Nokia 6230b and my wife has the Moto v551 with Cingular.

Both are good choices.

The Nokia has a slot for a 1 GB card, you can store a lot of MP3. The Moto does not play mp3 except for ring tones. The Nokia plays mp3 and has an FM radio to boot.

Posted by: bossdragon

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Originally posted by Levent
6260 out of those 4.

I think he meant the 6620.

Posted by: braindead5400

I vote for the 6230. As far as durability, the 6230 has interchangeable front and back covers. If you ever get the phone scratched up or crack the screen or something, all you need is a new set of faceplates and your phone looks good as new.

If you want the features and size of a smartphone, then get the 6620

Posted by: Levent

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Originally posted by wetfrown

The Nokia has a slot for a 1 GB card, you can store a lot of MP3.

and how many times do you charge your phone when you wanna use the whole 1GB memory for listening music or playing games whatever?

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The Moto does not play mp3 except for ring tones. The Nokia plays mp3 and has an FM radio to boot.

i think you meant v551 by moto (it sounds like all moto

)
If you want a good mp3 player with stereo speakers then i'd suggest you to try e398, not 6230 or v551.

Posted by: braindead5400

the vibe sync definately makes the E398 superior when it comes to mp3 playback through the phones speakers. I haven't heard another phone beat it, although I hear the E680 is great as well

Posted by: wetfrown

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Originally posted by Levent

i think you meant v551 by moto (it sounds like all moto )

Sounds like you had too much beer.

And another thing(s)...

If you like videos, the Nokia 6230b plays .3GP files. Nokia provides free software to convert .MPG files to .3GP. The files are surprisingly small (20x decrease). I have a bunch of music vids. If size matters, the 6230b is pretty small given all of its features, however the screen is small. The 6620 is bigger.

The moto v551 does not have the multimedia capabilities nor the card expansion of the 6230b (1GB). The e398 has those really cool but small TransFlash cards, but I don'e believe they have the size of the MMC yet.

The Moto v551 is quad band (850/900/1800/1900), which is good in both USA and Europe whereas the Nokia 6230b & Moto e398 are both tri-band. However the 6230b is 850/1800/1900 and, I could be wrong here, but I have only seen where the e398 (as well as the Nokia 6230 - NON b) is 900/1800/1900. This may be why Cingular does not offer it and why you should be careful on which "unlocked" phone you buy.

IMHO the Nokia 6230b keypad is flimsy as well, but you have to determing what is important.

Posted by: wetfrown

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Originally posted by bennyboie

the 2 leading technology is gonna be CDMA-related, one being completely CDMA and the other being pseudo-CDMA.

Are you talking about the proverbial "in-band" W-CDMA?

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I know this was a lot of info, but in all honesty, dont even worry about any of this yet.

That is key, good point bennyboie.

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I mean, lets face it. Anyone that wants to use the newest technology will NEVER keep a phone for longer than 2 years, right???!!! so go out and shop! =)

Timed perfectly with typical contract length.

Posted by: wetfrown

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Originally posted by bossdragon
I think he meant the 6620.

I am not so sure. I don't mean to offend anyone here, this is just an observation, but I get the sense that Levent is not in the Americas and may not be aware that we have different spectrum (850 vs. 900) than in Europe, Africa, and Asia. So we have to be careful on which "GSM" phone to buy. So it is not just a T/CDMA or GSM/PCS question, but also frequency.

I believe that the 6620 is a Nokia USA only Symbian OS "smartphone" (850/1800/1900 mHz) for use on EDGE networks - so Levent may not know of its existence.

The Nokia 6260 comes in both 900/1800/1900 for Europe, Africa, and Asia-Pacific and 850/1800/1900 for the Americas (North and South). However, for whatever reason, I don't believe that Cingular offers it, yet.

Also, we have a different 6230. The American variant is the 6230b becasue of the 850 vs. 900 difference.

The moto v551 is quad band and works both in Europe and the Americas.

Posted by: Levent

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Originally posted by wetfrown
Sounds like you had too much beer.

and you sound like a wetfrog.

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And another thing(s)...

If you like videos, the Nokia 6230b plays .3GP files. Nokia provides free software to convert .MPG files to .3GP. The files are surprisingly small (20x decrease). I have a bunch of music vids. If size matters, the 6230b is pretty small given all of its features, however the screen is small. The 6620 is bigger.

E398 plays 3GP files as well and you don't watch it on 128X128 screen but on 176X220 (also better than 6620's screen) which makes 6230 nonsense for watching movies at the first place.

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The moto v551 does not have the multimedia capabilities nor the card expansion of the 6230b (1GB). The e398 has those really cool but small TransFlash cards, but I don'e believe they have the size of the MMC yet.

E398 uses the smalles removable memory card available right now which is t-flash and 256MB is max. available out on the market. E398 has longer lasting battery than 6230 which means that you can use all your 256MB without recharging the battery. On the other hand, if you want to use your 1GB mmc card on your 6230 from morning 'till night, all day long, it won't last. 1GB doesn't make sense. If you want to take advantage of a 1GB memory card, you need a better battery which is true for all phones. There is no phone right now that will last for watching 20 movies (avg. 50MB each) in your phone contuniously. So be realistic.

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The Moto v551 is quad band (850/900/1800/1900), which is good in both USA and Europe whereas the Nokia 6230b & Moto e398 are both tri-band. However the 6230b is 850/1800/1900 and, I could be wrong here, but I have only seen where the e398 (as well as the Nokia 6230 - NON b) is 900/1800/1900. This may be why Cingular does not offer it and why you should be careful on which "unlocked" phone you buy.

E398 comes with 900/1800/1900 as standard. However, you can do firm upgrades if you have a Moto and E398 easily becomes once you do your editings (which becomes a QUAD phone 850/900/1800/1900 right away).

Posted by: braindead5400

The thing with the 1gb card is that you can put tons of music on it and then play what you want when you want. You don't have to change tracks on the card when you want to hear something else. The battery isn't THAT bad, you said that you can't listen to the entire 1gb, but you also can't do that on an iPod but people still use them

Posted by: Levent

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Originally posted by wetfrown
I am not so sure. I don't mean to offend anyone here, this is just an observation, but I get the sense that Levent is not in the Americas and may not be aware that we have different spectrum (850 vs. 900) than in Europe, Africa, and Asia. So we have to be careful on which "GSM" phone to buy. So it is not just a T/CDMA or GSM/PCS question, but also frequency.

your senses are wrong

I live in Los Angeles and am aware of the networks and bands working here or in Europe. If you are not sprint or verizon customer there is no need to talk about cdma/tdma anyways. Cingular uses 850 and you should know the area and its requirements before you purchase a phone(esp. if it is an exp. one). I meant 6620. I wrote 6260 b'cuz was thinking about a different thread (braindead might knows what i'm talking about

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I believe that the 6620 is a Nokia USA only Symbian OS "smartphone" (850/1800/1900 mHz) for use on EDGE networks - so Levent may not know of its existence.

True 6620 is only released in the states with 850.

Posted by: Levent

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Originally posted by braindead5400
The thing with the 1gb card is that you can put tons of music on it and then play what you want when you want. You don't have to change tracks on the card when you want to hear something else. The battery isn't THAT bad, you said that you can't listen to the entire 1gb, but you also can't do that on an iPod but people still use them

i agree on music with you but not watching movies in 6230 please.

Posted by: braindead5400

yea, most movies are 176 pixels wide (i think) and the screen on the 6230 is only 128 pixels. At least it fills the whole screen when you watch on the 6230, but I like watching movies better on my e398 and 7610

Posted by: Levent

you also have that mits. 900?

Posted by: braindead5400

Sorry, I meant to use the past tense I owned both the 7610 and E398 (as well as a bunch of other phones) last year.

Posted by: bossdragon

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Originally posted by braindead5400
Sorry, I meant to use the past tense I owned both the 7610 and E398 (as well as a bunch of other phones) last year.

And I thought I was bad. How many phones do you go through in a year?????

Posted by: Levent

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Originally posted by braindead5400
Sorry, I meant to use the past tense I owned both the 7610 and E398 (as well as a bunch of other phones) last year.

i was about the say dayym

Posted by: wetfrown

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Originally posted by Levent
If you are not sprint or verizon customer there is no need to talk about cdma/tdma anyways. Cingular uses 850 and you should know the area and its requirements before you purchase a phone(esp. if it is an exp. one).

Dogbert5 started the thread with:
"As I understand it, the pro of Verizon and its CDMA is that the quality/coverage is just better, while the pro of Cingular and its GSM is that it has more and better phones" I just didn't think the T- vs. C- DMA was that was important. I did not want Dogbert5 to have problems with a phone that does not work on his chosen carrier (I see a lot of that in other posts and forums). And if he buys a non-certified phone he may be on his own to figure it out or hack it.

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Originally posted by Levent
your senses are wrong I live in Los Angeles and am aware of the networks and bands working here or in Europe.

I stand corrected and hope that you are not negatively affected by all the rain and mud probs.

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Originally posted by Levent I meant 6620. I wrote 6260 b'cuz was thinking about a different thread (braindead might knows what i'm talking about ).

True 6620 is only released in the states with 850.

NP

I am happy with the 6230 because it was FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!

No hard feelings, eh?

Ribbit

Posted by: Levent

no, not at all

Posted by: braindead5400

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Originally posted by bossdragon
And I thought I was bad. How many phones do you go through in a year?????

Lets see, last year I had:

Inno 90
Kyocera slider
moto v600
Moto V80
Moto E398
Nokia 7610
Nokia 6230a
Nokia 6230b
SE S700i
Sharp GX32
Mitsubishi M900
Amoi S6
SE T237

Posted by: braindead5400

Wirelessly posted (don't hate, procreate: Nokia6230/2.0 (04.28) Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1)

I forgot the samsung e315

Posted by: Levent

i think you have a mobile phone shop (or you ought to get into the business asap

) .

Posted by: bossdragon

How in the hel* can you afford all those? What business are you in that you can get all those?

Whatever it is, I need to be in it!:laughs:

Posted by: CowboyNYC

It's correct... but its also the new catch phrase of vzn. Why not promote "our phones are overpriced and about 2 years behind"?

The coverage, "best network" FUD is just that FUD. All carriers have places where they are good and were they are not so good. The CDMA network, which falls back to AMP's when needed has had a head start in the US, but the GSM carriers are coming on quick. (GSM doesn't have AMP's to fall back on, which is also a good thing as AMP's is end of life and will be shut off Feb 2008. AMPS's is a bit of a crutch that GSM doesn't have to deal with. If you compare coverage maps of CDMA and GSM they are about equal.

Try out both carriers and pick the best that works in your area, and area's you travel, and go to.

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Originally posted by bossdragon
Hmmm....didn't I just say this a couple post's ago?

Posted by: reas0n555

well...id get ...a cingular...i got my v551...and it works great....and it has edge...