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Posted by: bitslap47

I started this thread simply beacuse I like writing software... it's what I do, and side projects keep me sharp and up to date.

Users, if you have any wishware, post the details here. Pretty much anything can be done.... but we want to do things that are free to develop, and LEGAL.

My goal is to start writing some tools, source code supplied free, that will be fun and useful.

If anyone wants to start a little HoFo software development community, feel free to join in. If you can write software in any capacity,beginner or not, feel free to offer your help in developing the tools. We can all learn from each other , have some fun, and create some neat projects.

The rules are:
- It must be legal
- No fees will be charged, no donations solicited. If you want money, forget it.
- If the mods have any objections, the project is off (since the main commuincation center will/should be HoFo)

I would also need assistant project managers to donate some time.

Let me know if anyone is interested!

Posted by: hadji

and if you've tried it out and what you thought of it?

http://hadji.sdf1.org/idensync

Posted by: bitslap47

Looks great.

As I said in the other thread, we can probably merge some of your and my code and continue to evolve the program (if you are OK with that.)

One thing we can do is automate it a little more to require less user interaction, and fully integrate it into MS Outlook and other packages as well.

There are ways we can integrate the calendar as well, even having the phone sync with outlook when the phone is connected to a PC.

I have some ideas, but I find the general user community comes up with better ideas than developers most times.

Posted by: kmx

Can you do a camera java app program for the i730?

Posted by: KBAM

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One of the most useful and widely needed Java apps for all Falcon phones is something along the lines of MOT's Notepad that was available for Condors. Notepad was useful, although a bit quirky. Any number of new features could be added now--color support, a file structure, ability to download "docs" (notes) from the phone, customized menus, etc. --BAM

Posted by: hadji

Quote:

Originally posted by bitslap47
Looks great. As I said in the other thread, we can probably merge some of your and my code and continue to evolve the program (if you are OK with that.)

One thing we can do is automate it a little more to require less user interaction, and fully integrate it into MS Outlook and other packages as well.

There are ways we can integrate the calendar as well, even having the phone sync with outlook when the phone is connected to a PC.

I have some ideas, but I find the general user community comes up with better ideas than developers most times.

Sounds good. :-) How would you do the calendar items? Would you have to write code to read/write directly from/to the SIM card? Do you know how to write that code? The other thing I'd like to do is have a menu option that would allow a one-click automation of exporting the Outlook Contacts to the on-line addressbook. Exporting the data to a CSV is easy enough, but I don't know how to do the upload.

It could also be an option to run that process with every synchronization. And there could be an option to only upload the contacts that will be included with the phone sync, or to upload all contacts, since those contacts won't necessarily overload the phone's capacity.

Posted by: hadji

Another thing one of my friends is looking for is a way to download to his computer his own recordings. Voice recordings he's made or phone calls that he's recorded. He has need to do a lot of recording right now, and he'd like for his phone to not run out of memory.

Posted by: bitslap47

KBAM,

That's a great idea.... I had long forgotten about that application.

xgagexx,

I also like the idea of the camera application... Hadji and I can look into the SDK for the i730 and see what we can do.... if someone would donate some source from one of the other camera apps, we could just port it to the i730... but haven't I seen an i730 camera app out there already?

Hadji,

The voice note sync, another good idea as well.

I have a few ideas for the calendar.... It may require the development of a Java helper application that is run on the phone before the sync starts.... as far as I know, calendar information is stored in the phone memory, not the SIM.

In general, one way to get around the motorola proprietary protocols is to create a Java app that accesses the serial port for the modem/PC interface. Once we have a serial comm open, we can do ANYTHING the SDK can do. We could make our own custom serial comm messages for each SDK function as well as our own. For example, to add a calendar item send a structure of messages such as;

STX AddCalItemL8 ETX - Add 8 items
STX Item 1 Name, Item Date, Item Reminder ETX
etc. X 7
STX EndAddCalItem ETX

Are you able to write Java applications on J2ME? If not it's a good time to learn

Sounds like 3 projects to work on so far!

Posted by: kmx

I have 2 camera apps for the i730 but they were test version. I will post them right now hold on please.

Posted by: kmx

Okay here are 2 apps. 1 is the original camera app for the i730 and the 2nd one is the updated version. Please do the best you can on them to make a new version of the i730 camera app. Thank you.

Posted by: hadji

Quote:

Originally posted by bitslap47

Hadji,
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Are you able to write Java applications on J2ME? If not it's a good time to learn

Sounds like 3 projects to work on so far!

Unfortunately, I don't know Java. :-( If I learn, it would be a long process. I'm sort of a weekend coder, and VB is about the only thing I know. While it would be great to learn Java, I don't know that I have the time to focus on it.

Also, I picked up another idea for the sync program. As you've likely read, I use one of the user-defined fields in Outlook to flag whether or not a contact should be included in the sync. And I've recently added an Inclusion report so people can easily see which contacts are included and which are not.

I want to replace the inclusion report with an interactive selection process. So people can see, on-line, who is included, who is not, and make changes en masse. Include All, Exclude All, Select multiple names, and such.

Funny, I just wanted a simply sync program, and now I'm thinking "Ooh, I can do this too!" or "Hey, I can add that!" I've created a monster. o.O

I like it, though. :-)

Posted by: ThatzLife

they need to create, or recreat software that enables us to get online,
using our datacable via dial up.

Other cell companies like Verizon has it.
I just think It would be neat to be at the beach or at park, using Web Jal.....downloading new ringers.

So far I dont think we can do it, UNLESS we pay a fortune for their Wireless Broadband mess.

Posted by: ThatzLife

Quote:

Originally posted by hadji
Another thing one of my friends is looking for is a way to download to his computer his own recordings. Voice recordings he's made or phone calls that he's recorded. He has need to do a lot of recording right now, and he'd like for his phone to not run out of memory.

just download audacity.com

I do that all the time. its perfect!

Posted by: dcromwell

A program like Pk2Man or Pktools (or whatever they are called) for iDEN would be nice. Hopefully, it could remove the NEXTEL from the phone like these programs do!!!!!

Posted by: bitslap47

not a bad idea doc.... if we could create the ability to browse/edit the phone's file system... that may be a big help

Posted by: cutter

I hate JAVA lol. I am taking it right now and learning about linked lists and Binary search trees and recursion and i hate it lol.

Posted by: KBAM

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Quote:

Originally posted by bitslap47
not a bad idea doc.... if we could create the ability to browse/edit the phone's file system... that may be a big help

bitslap, an 'iDEN Exploder' file viewer/manager would be a tremendous achievement, and the key to lots of upside. It's time to draw the curtain on the 'Black Box' era for these devices. --BAM

Posted by: PwrdByKyank

Would a java app which streams music or audio files live work? Id really badly want an app like that so i can stream live audio feeds off my i860.

Posted by: leo777

picture editor java appl for the i860 would be nice like they have it for the southernlinc i860,s

Posted by: bitslap47

Quote:

Originally posted by KBAM
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bitslap, an 'iDEN Exploder' file viewer/manager would be a tremendous achievement, and the key to lots of upside. It's time to draw the curtain on the 'Black Box' era for these devices. --BAM

The more I think about it, this should be the top priority project... there are many advantages to this functionality, and it will be key to base functionality for many other applications.

Hadji,
Are you comfortable with any of the lower priority projects in this thread if I were to spearhead 'iDen Explorer'? Can you take a crack at prioritizing them as well? Let me know if you want my source code for Outlook2iDen, or if you would like me to review/suggest any solutions for current issues in your application. I think your application has more functionality than mine at this point, so it makes sense for yours to become the forward moving project.

I would also like to hear from any other developers that would like to assist Hadji or myself.

I'm going to begin the R&D phase of 'iDen Explorer' Friday night.

Should we start a sourceforge page?

Posted by: mikesown

Quote:

Originally posted by PwrdByKyank
Would a java app which streams music or audio files live work? Id really badly want an app like that so i can stream live audio feeds off my i860.

In theory, sure. I think (but am not positive) that the i860 would have the processing power, as it can decode ringtones. The main limitation is nextels crappy 9.6kbps network. You'd be lucky if you could get talk radio to sound good on that without stuttering!

On a side note, I am attempting to work on OpenJAL, an open source JAL written in Java. The reason behind the program is that I am fed up with nextel's webjal and the fact that I have to keep patching it when I install it, and even when it is installed it is a pain to resize pictures, and ringtones etc etc. We really need devs to help out documenting the protocol(and writing some code to resize images/sound files) We have a soruceforge project setup at http://openjal.sourceforge.net and http://sourceforge.net/projects/openjal We'd be happy for any devs to help out and contribute any code they might have!

Posted by: bitslap47

Mikesown,

What I am trying to do is get us all working together, under one umbrella...

Some additional organization and focus would get us a long long way(not saying your effort is not organized.)

Let me know if you have any ideas on how to pull these projects together and pool resources. I think if managed properly, we can make a much bigger impact to the community and get things done sooner. So far you, myself and Hadji are available developers.

I am sure an unlimited number of testers is available, and so far a large pool of creative ideas.

Should we merge under your sourceforge project page?

Hadji,
Are you OK with doing that and pooling our resources?

We all have day jobs, so if we can distribute the workload and projects, it would help a lot.

Posted by: kmx

Can you guys work on this one anyime soon. It doesn't seem like it will be much of a big projext but it would be better than nothing.
Thank you.

Quote:

Originally posted by bitslap47
KBAM,

That's a great idea.... I had long forgotten about that application.

xgagexx,

I also like the idea of the camera application... Hadji and I can look into the SDK for the i730 and see what we can do.... if someone would donate some source from one of the other camera apps, we could just port it to the i730... but haven't I seen an i730 camera app out there already?

Hadji,

The voice note sync, another good idea as well.

I have a few ideas for the calendar.... It may require the development of a Java helper application that is run on the phone before the sync starts.... as far as I know, calendar information is stored in the phone memory, not the SIM.

In general, one way to get around the motorola proprietary protocols is to create a Java app that accesses the serial port for the modem/PC interface. Once we have a serial comm open, we can do ANYTHING the SDK can do. We could make our own custom serial comm messages for each SDK function as well as our own. For example, to add a calendar item send a structure of messages such as;

STX AddCalItemL8 ETX - Add 8 items
STX Item 1 Name, Item Date, Item Reminder ETX
etc. X 7
STX EndAddCalItem ETX

Are you able to write Java applications on J2ME? If not it's a good time to learn

Sounds like 3 projects to work on so far!

Posted by: bitslap47

Quote:

Originally posted by cutter
I hate JAVA lol. I am taking it right now and learning about linked lists and Binary search trees and recursion and i hate it lol.

cutter,

Most of the PC based projects will be in VB6 or VB/C# .NET, whatever makes sense for the project. C# is my preference, but VB6 may allow for more rapid initial deployment with less experienced developers allowing a later conversion to .NET.

Phone apps will be Java of course.

Are you interested in helping with the PC side of the projects?

Posted by: bitslap47

Quote:

Originally posted by xgagexx
Can you guys work on this one anyime soon. It doesn't seem like it will be much of a big projext but it would be better than nothing.
Thank you.

xgagexx,

As soon as we are organized/established, we'll take a look at this for you and see what can be done. I *may* be able to take a quick look at it this weekend for you. I swear I saw an app for the i730 already made and working.... I'll see if I can dig it up and if it is free or not.

Posted by: KBAM

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Quote:

Originally posted by bitslap47

Quote:

Originally posted by KBAM
Wirelessly posted (Now Playing...MOT i860/1.01: MOT-A-1C/01.01 UP.Browser/7.0.0.2.c.1.104 (GUI) MMP/2.0 UP.Link/5.1.2.12)

bitslap, an 'iDEN Exploder' file viewer/manager would be a tremendous achievement, and the key to lots of upside. It's time to draw the curtain on the 'Black Box' era for these devices. --BAM

The more I think about it, this should be the top priority project... there are many advantages to this functionality, and it will be key to base functionality for many other applications.

Hadji,
Are you comfortable with any of the lower priority projects in this thread if I were to spearhead 'iDen Explorer'? Can you take a crack at prioritizing them as well? Let me know if you want my source code for Outlook2iDen, or if you would like me to review/suggest any solutions for current issues in your application. I think your application has more functionality than mine at this point, so it makes sense for yours to become the forward moving project.

I would also like to hear from any other developers that would like to assist Hadji or myself.

I'm going to begin the R&D phase of 'iDen Explorer' Friday night.

Should we start a sourceforge page?

Shrewd choice, bitslap. Just seeing the file structure and details should lead to much inspiration. BTW, does Windows Mobile/Smartphone have a resident file manager? --BAM

Posted by: cutter

Quote:

Originally posted by bitslap47
cutter,

Most of the PC based projects will be in VB6 or VB/C# .NET, whatever makes sense for the project. C# is my preference, but VB6 may allow for more rapid initial deployment with less experienced developers allowing a later conversion to .NET.

Phone apps will be Java of course.

Are you interested in helping with the PC side of the projects?

If you guys need help. I don't know how much of a help I could be because I suck at java. But trying doesn't hurt. I will have a lot of time after May 12th to mess around because thats when all of my finals end.

Posted by: hadji

Quote:

Originally posted by bitslap47
The more I think about it, this should be the top priority project... there are many advantages to this functionality, and it will be key to base functionality for many other applications.

Hadji,
Are you comfortable with any of the lower priority projects in this thread if I were to spearhead 'iDen Explorer'? Can you take a crack at prioritizing them as well? Let me know if you want my source code for Outlook2iDen, or if you would like me to review/suggest any solutions for current issues in your application. I think your application has more functionality than mine at this point, so it makes sense for yours to become the forward moving project.

I would also like to hear from any other developers that would like to assist Hadji or myself.

I'm going to begin the R&D phase of 'iDen Explorer' Friday night.

Should we start a sourceforge page?

I'll take a closer look through the thread this weekend and let you know what I think I can handle.

I looked into downloading the SDKs, but apparently, you have be a registered developer (read: paid access) to get a hold of those. Or was I looking in the wrong place?

Posted by: Calisoldier83

An alarm that can be ran with the phone closed (possibly not java but embedded into the phone some how) i730 of course

Posted by: YoDude

Quote:

Originally posted by crazywhitie
An alarm that can be ran with the phone closed (possibly not java but embedded into the phone some how) i730 of course .

Use the Datebook that is on the main menu for an alarm...

Posted by: mikesown

Quote:

Originally posted by bitslap47
Mikesown,

What I am trying to do is get us all working together, under one umbrella...

Some additional organization and focus would get us a long long way(not saying your effort is not organized.)

Let me know if you have any ideas on how to pull these projects together and pool resources. I think if managed properly, we can make a much bigger impact to the community and get things done sooner. So far you, myself and Hadji are available developers.

I am sure an unlimited number of testers is available, and so far a large pool of creative ideas.

Should we merge under your sourceforge project page?

Hadji,
Are you OK with doing that and pooling our resources?

We all have day jobs, so if we can distribute the workload and projects, it would help a lot.

To be completly honest, we're not too organized. At the moment, i've gotten help from 1 person with designing the GUI. I am going to talk to a guy my friend(in real life) told me about, that knows a ton of things about nextel phones, and how the data transfer works.

As for how to pull the projects together, well, they'd all need to be written in the same language. I think they should be written in java because(please do not flame) that there are a lot of linux, or macosx(without vpc) users out there that have nextel phones who want to be able to sync with their phones. I wont lie, that there are not a TON of users with this problem, but if you have the option to do so, why not? Java is fairly easy to develop in as opposed to c/c++/c#, so it would allow for the development of code to be extremly fast. If any of you have some source code you'd like me to port to java, i'd be more than happy to. Please don't flame me for saying this(I have tons of programming experience!), but i'm a freshman in HS, so i have a lot of free time on my hands! I have about 3-4 hours a day that I can spend coding(plus 1 hour in computer programming class, because my teacher doesn't care what I do

If anyone wants to email me source code to port shoot me an email:

1337mail [at] gmail.com

Posted by: ThatzLife

It'd be super if a genius would devolope software that will simply...

ENABLE US TO SEND PICS THAT WE've UPLOADED TO OUR PHONE....TO OTHER NEXTEL CUSTOMERS, AT LEAST;

AND

SOFTWARE WHICH ENABLES US TO SEND VIDEOS WE RECORD USING OUR i860's TO OTHER NEXTEL CUSTOMERS.

Posted by: PwrdByKyank

why did u cap it all and make ur font size so big?

Posted by: TimTheTechDude

A truly valuable piece of software would be one that could easily & quickly transfer phonebooks between condors/falcons and the blackberries. A pretty tall order I know, but just a suggestion. I know this is an issue that has been brought up several times before.

Posted by: stuby

i was wondering if you could throw something together that makes a sound of a beep some sort of noise when the i860 is opened. thanks alot

Posted by: hadji

Quote:

Originally posted by TimTheTechDude
A truly valuable piece of software would be one that could easily & quickly transfer phonebooks between condors/falcons and the blackberries. A pretty tall order I know, but just a suggestion. I know this is an issue that has been brought up several times before.

Doesn't the phonebook manager work with all Nextel phones? Or the RSS software? Or am I missing something?

Posted by: theoneplaya139

an application to use the camera on the i860 from the external lcd would be nice

Posted by: polomo1

ya the external lcd camera would be awsum if you can do it that is lol

Posted by: Beets410

what would also be cool is if you were able to make a program that we could use on our i830 to take pix. Because teh program thats floating around here is way to complictaed. Just a idea.

Posted by: BuCC WeeT

i wish someone would come up with a java loader for the falcons like the old iijal where you could browse the phone's files.

Posted by: BuCC WeeT

Quote:

Originally posted by ThatzLife
It'd be super if a genius would devolope software that will simply...

ENABLE US TO SEND PICS THAT WE've UPLOADED TO OUR PHONE....TO OTHER NEXTEL CUSTOMERS, AT LEAST;

AND

SOFTWARE WHICH ENABLES US TO SEND VIDEOS WE RECORD USING OUR i860's TO OTHER NEXTEL CUSTOMERS.

it's already out...... multimedia messaging.

"UN-REAL THESE PEOPLE........."

Posted by: bitslap47

Some of these suggestions already have applications out there to achieve what you want. We will still work on some of these to make more user friendly versions, but honestly they will be at the bottom of the list.

A temp solution may be for me to create and host some user guides for the lesser documented applications to ease the use until a more streamlined application is created.

On a happy note, I have made some progress (very minnimal, but very encouraging) on the iDen file explorer POC. I used another application and observed how it interacts with the phone (I won't name them since this borders reverse engineering.)

Bottom line, I see promise for being able to browse the phone's file structure, as well as upload and download files. We already know the upload and downloads can be done by example of WebJAL and Media downloader, but I was unsure of the ability to get the file and folder structure.

The next step is to write some code to do some low level tests of this functionality, then build an aplication around the file interface library. I would like to then release the library for others to build applications on.

MikesOwn,

As far as Java goes, I 100% agree about cross platform capability, but I think the majority of the audience for these tools will be Microsoft based. I can make a Micorosoft technolgy based application faster than a Java based UI. If anyone disagrees that the majority audience is Microsoft, let me know and we can switch to Java based development, but be aware development time will be increased, especially with multi platform testing and validation.

I will however take you up on your offer to port applications to Java. Once the apps make RC status or better, I will forward you the source to port for the other platforms.

Posted by: mikesown

Quote:

Originally posted by bitslap47

MikesOwn,

As far as Java goes, I 100% agree about cross platform capability, but I think the majority of the audience for these tools will be Microsoft based. I can make a Micorosoft technolgy based application faster than a Java based UI. If anyone disagrees that the majority audience is Microsoft, let me know and we can switch to Java based development, but be aware development time will be increased, especially with multi platform testing and validation.

I will however take you up on your offer to port applications to Java. Once the apps make RC status or better, I will forward you the source to port for the other platforms.

I completly agree with you about 95% of the users being windows users, including myself! I also agree with you on the fact that languages such as c# can be much more efficent in some cases than java, as they can make direct API calls. I wish you the best of luck on your projects, and would love to see the source! If you could email it to me instead of pming me(i dont get emailed when i get a PM) i'd appriciate it!

Mike

1337mail [at] gmail.com

Posted by: hadji

How does one acquire those? Is there a fee involved? If so, how much and how often? Does paying that fee allow one access to SDKs for all phones, or is there a fee for each kit?

Posted by: fire_

I would like to start developing J2ME applications, but **** the DevGuide is almost 500 pages! How am I going to get this printed? (lol).. Anyway, shoot some application ideas..

Posted by: bitslap47

Quote:

Originally Posted by hadji

How does one acquire those? Is there a fee involved? If so, how much and how often? Does paying that fee allow one access to SDKs for all phones, or is there a fee for each kit?

It's free. I have the 860SDK and can host it somewhere if needed.

Posted by: Ramsesiden

Quote:

Originally Posted by hadji

Another thing one of my friends is looking for is a way to download to his computer his own recordings. Voice recordings he's made or phone calls that he's recorded. He has need to do a lot of recording right now, and he'd like for his phone to not run out of memory.

http://www.ramsesiden.tk

Posted by: kmx

Quote:

Originally Posted by fire_

I would like to start developing J2ME applications, but **** the DevGuide is almost 500 pages! How am I going to get this printed? (lol).. Anyway, shoot some application ideas..

I would like a i730 camera.
Like the one in this post but better.
http://howardforums.com/showpost.ph...62&postcount=10

Posted by: bitslap47

To all,

This the wrong place for this type of project to succeed.

I will no longer be monitoring this thread. The discussion and project has moved elsewhere. I apologize to any of you who are HoFo only members that will now not benefit from the projects as they are completed.

I will take all suggestions given so far and put them on the list under the file system explorer to be developed

Posted by: JRSweets

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitslap47

To all,

This the wrong place for this type of project to succeed.

I will no longer be monitoring this thread. The discussion and project has moved elsewhere. I apologize to any of you who are HoFo only members that will now not benefit from the projects as they are completed.

I will take all suggestions given so far and put them on the list under the file system explorer to be developed

What happened? Where is it being developed?

Posted by: bitslap47

This forum has very tight guidlines when it comes to this type of development, so rather than accidentally cross the line and be banned, I have moved the project to the same board that the Double Unlock Project has moved to.

Posted by: flipfone

Quote:

Originally Posted by theoneplaya139

an application to use the camera on the i860 from the external lcd would be nice

and add to that one that would allow the videos to be longer than a miserable 10 seconds. it should keep going til im out of memory.

Posted by: lfpnk0

Once the file tree/layout is determined on the phone, I would really like to see an over the air Java/Ringtone/Wallpaper/Media loader. It could connect to the phone using the IP address (or with i605, via bluetooth) instead of having to use a data cable connected to the computer...

This idea could also be extended to wireless addressbook, calandar and memo syncronization with Outlook, etc.

I also think that it would be nice to be able to connect to a remote computer for the purpose of running executable files or sending other file types (.doc, .pdf, etc) via email/fax to another location

Posted by: mikesown

Quote:

Originally Posted by lfpnk0

Once the file tree/layout is determined on the phone, I would really like to see an over the air Java/Ringtone/Wallpaper/Media loader. It could connect to the phone using the IP address (or with i605, via bluetooth) instead of having to use a data cable connected to the computer...

This idea could also be extended to wireless addressbook, calandar and memo syncronization with Outlook, etc.

I also think that it would be nice to be able to connect to a remote computer for the purpose of running executable files or sending other file types (.doc, .pdf, etc) via email/fax to another location

This idea is a really great one! Unfortunatly there would be a few problems in acheiving this. First of all, you're pushing data over nextel's network, and as such they could monitor data transfer to see if you were pushing ringtones to your phone, and they could add it in the contract that if you were found to be loading ringtones on to your phone you would be subject to a fee of x dollars. I know this is not the most likely scenario, but it is definitly possible, as you are pushing data over someones network that they don't want pushed.

Bluetooth seems much more feasable because of this. Such an idea would be very cool, but also difficult to achieve. You'd essentially have to tear apart the operating system on the phone, as there is no api for accessing files on the phone. Basically, you'd need to completly reverse engineer the phone, create assembly level programming to allow the placement of ringtones on the phone. Such a task is VERY tedious, and there are very few developers who can program well in assembly(i am not one of them.) Such an idea seems feasable, as you would think that there is a simple file system that you could simply place files in, but this is PROBABLY not the case. Hell, even if it was, reverse engineering a file system you know nothing about is very hard.

I'd love such an application to become reality, but chances are it won't, because of the difficulty and expense of reverse engineering a phone.

Posted by: Bigbuddy

i wish i had the picture editor for the 860