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Posted by: atwageman

I'm posting this for a friend. Has anybody tried to use a Bluetooth keyboard with a 7520? Can it be done or are you limited to Bluetooth headsets only? Thanks in advance.



Posted by: GregGebhardt

BT on the 7520 is for audio only.



Posted by: Mark Rejhon

The hardware is capable of more than that, RIM has limited it to audio (and serial profiles, under very limited circumstances).

I'm hoping they add Bluetooth keyboard support (encrypted mode only), as the chip is clearly capable of it. I use one quite a lot with my iPaq handheld computer.



Posted by: WetSpot

A bluetooth keyboard is on the way. No date as of yet, but it's coming.



Posted by: GregGebhardt

Quote:
Originally posted by Mark Rejhon
The hardware is capable of more than that, RIM has limited it to audio (and serial profiles, under very limited circumstances).

I'm hoping they add Bluetooth keyboard support (encrypted mode only), as the chip is clearly capable of it. I use one quite a lot with my iPaq handheld computer.


Agreed but right now only audio. A friend of mine told me that the BB BT chip was way more capable, just limited by the software.

Maybe there is some more goddies on the way! My head is still spinning with the new browser, so you can see it does not take much to keep me happy!



Posted by: atwageman

Quote:
Originally posted by GregGebhardt
Agreed but right now only audio. A friend of mine told me that the BB BT chip was way more capable, just limited by the software.

Maybe there is some more goddies on the way! My head is still spinning with the new browser, so you can see it does not take much to keep me happy!


Yeah Greg my head is still spinning too! In some round about way, I think the up comming merger has really forced Nextel to get off their duff and get something going with their data services.



Posted by: GregGebhardt

Quote:
Originally posted by atwageman
Yeah Greg my head is still spinning too! In some round about way, I think the up comming merger has really forced Nextel to get off their duff and get something going with their data services.


Well the fact that RIM/Nextel just gave us a real web viewer is proof that they are going to maintain and improve the BB experience.

I have great faith in BB, I purchased a butt load of their stock long ago at about 1/4 of what it is worth today and with the courtbattle not hanging over their head, I am seeing some real profit here AND enjoying their product!



Posted by: xxhiyanxx

what is this limited serial interface for the bluetooth?



Posted by: Mr Pink57

Quote:
Originally posted by xxhiyanxx
what is this limited serial interface for the bluetooth?


Not sure what you mean there but RIM is BIG on security. they basically will not allow the BT data due to it possibly being hacked. that is also why you do not see a canera or trans flash card or basically anything a treo has.

pink



Posted by: Mark Rejhon

The Bluetooth serial interface is accessed by the $100 RIM signing key. Not many vendors use this, except for proprietary uses. For more information about getting this signing key for your Bluetooth projects, research www.blackberry.com/developers and www.BlackBerryDevelopers.com



Posted by: Mark Rejhon

Quote:
Originally posted by WetSpot
A bluetooth keyboard is on the way. No date as of yet, but it's coming.
If that is true, that would be good news. Is this the standard Bluetooth HID profile, simply with encryption enabled?



Posted by: atwageman

Wirelessly posted (BlackBerry7520/4.0.0 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1)

Quote:
Originally posted by Mark Rejhon
The Bluetooth serial interface is accessed by the $100 RIM signing key. Not many vendors use this, except for proprietary uses. For more information about getting this signing key for your Bluetooth projects, research www.blackberry.com/developers and www.BlackBerryDevelopers.com


Thanks for the info Mark.



Posted by: Mark Rejhon

I should add, that this is only for software developers at this time. Since no major BlackBerry software has bluetooth serial out yet (except for a few beta software I know of, keep tuned), this is currently moot to consumers.

However, bluetooth serial is definitely there and accessible to computer programmers who has the cryptographic signing key from RIM.



Posted by: Dunlop

Quote:
Originally posted by WetSpot
A bluetooth keyboard is on the way. No date as of yet, but it's coming.



Your sources?



Posted by: Dunlop

Quote:
Originally posted by Mark Rejhon
The hardware is capable of more than that, RIM has limited it to audio (and serial profiles, under very limited circumstances).

I'm hoping they add Bluetooth keyboard support (encrypted mode only), as the chip is clearly capable of it. I use one quite a lot with my iPaq handheld computer.



Hi Mark,

Just curious but you say that the "chip is clearly capable of it"


Do you know this for a fact?

If so, your sources?


Thanks,

Dunny.



Posted by: WetSpot

Quote:
Originally posted by Dunlop
Your sources?
RIM.



Posted by: Mark Rejhon

Quote:
Originally posted by Dunlop
Hi Mark,

Just curious but you say that the "chip is clearly capable of it"


Do you know this for a fact?

If so, your sources?


Thanks,

Dunny.
It was published on the Bluetooth group website at one point (or was it the FCC application?), regarding the capabilities of the Bluetooth chip.

Also, at least a couple of RIM employees have told people in public that the Bluetooth chip is technically of it, but that the software limits are because of security reasons.

I also work at a major RIM partner company called Idokorro - www.idokorro.com - and there is additional information I know that I cannot talk about.

However, this information about Bluetooth capabilities is already talked about in public from time to time, and certain RIM employees has been open about it (even before I worked at Idokorro). This is not confidential information. The Bluetooth limits are essentially software based, clearly for security reasons.

Bluetooth serial profiles are documented in the RIM SDK 4.0 which can be downloaded from RIM's website. That means if a developer wants to do so, it is possible to do a safe proprietary encrypted (i.e. NON-OBEX) wireless synchronization between a BlackBerry and a desktop computer, if a developers wants to write a synchronization client.

Functionally, and pratically, Bluetooth is audio only on the BlackBerry, for security reasons. However, Bluetooth will gradually be opened up as time passes, at least on new devices -- for certain "approved" uses of Bluetooth that meets security considerations. (But have to think in timescale of many months, not "soon")



Posted by: Soapm

Quote:
Originally posted by Mark Rejhon
It was published on the Bluetooth group website at one point (or was it the FCC application?), regarding the capabilities of the Bluetooth chip.

Also, at least a couple of RIM employees have told people in public that the Bluetooth chip is technically of it, but that the software limits are because of security reasons.

I also work at a major RIM partner company called Idokorro - www.idokorro.com - and there is additional information I know that I cannot talk about.

However, this information about Bluetooth capabilities is already talked about in public from time to time, and certain RIM employees has been open about it (even before I worked at Idokorro). This is not confidential information. The Bluetooth limits are essentially software based, clearly for security reasons.

Bluetooth serial profiles are documented in the RIM SDK 4.0 which can be downloaded from RIM's website. That means if a developer wants to do so, it is possible to do a safe proprietary encrypted (i.e. NON-OBEX) wireless synchronization between a BlackBerry and a desktop computer, if a developers wants to write a synchronization client.

Functionally, and pratically, Bluetooth is audio only on the BlackBerry, for security reasons. However, Bluetooth will gradually be opened up as time passes, at least on new devices -- for certain "approved" uses of Bluetooth that meets security considerations. (But have to think in timescale of many months, not "soon")


guess we'll have to wait on a hack. come on script kiddies...





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