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Posted by: terryjohnson16

I just got off the phone will a Danger rep, and they said that next month a software will be launched so that the Sidekick 2 can support Java Script, which is currently causing some webpage not to load up on the Sidekick 2. Also, he said that he hasn't heard of a Sidekick 3 yet coming, since the SK2 is doing very well on the market. But, maybe when T-Mobile launches EDGE then they will start showing off the new products.

Posted by: MotoOutLaw

good news for SK fans

Posted by: Scott

Hmmm this will be cool lets hope Fido gets this OTA too. I would like to see yahoo messenger too.

Posted by: triple5soul8781

Cool, i cant wait. hopefully they will put up so more towrrs too! lol service really sux around here

Posted by: WebbyBabe

That's good news. The sidekick needs javascript badly.

Posted by: terryjohnson16

I am really waiting for the Sidekick 3 to come out, whenever that is. I hope it has EDGE, Bluetooth, MP camera, and MP3 Player.

Posted by: WebbyBabe

I doubt it will have an MP3 player. But I can see it having bluetooth 1.3 mp camera and EDGE.

Posted by: terryjohnson16

Quote:

Originally Posted by WebbyBabe

I doubt it will have an MP3 player. But I can see it having bluetooth 1.3 mp camera and EDGE.

You never know if they will put an MP3 player in it. Mostly every phone thats coming soon will have a MP3 player. Soon it will be a standard just like the now popular MP video cameras on cell phones.

Posted by: negative

Be careful what you wish for...

Yeah its wonderful that you'll now be able to view some java enabled pages but is does slow down the performance of the device when you are visiting these java enabled pages.... not significant enough to cripple the sidekick...

but the performance loss is noticable

Posted by: Stuffeddeer

If they come out with Java for SK2, will that be able to use on SK1?

Posted by: Gutterpunk

Quote:

Originally Posted by negative

Be careful what you wish for...

Yeah its wonderful that you'll now be able to view some java enabled pages but is does slow down the performance of the device when you are visiting these java enabled pages.... not significant enough to cripple the sidekick...

but the performance loss is noticable

Captain Obvious there. Enabling javascript (not java as you state) means transfering the script and any images or other data associated with the script (that you might not see initially), which translate in more data to transfert. Of course it will take more time. And thats on any embedded device or slower connections.

Posted by: poetic

im a direct dealer for t mob and my boss told me the other day that the sk3 should be out in the 4th quarter and that it will have bluetooth... i dunno about a mp camera.. but i hope it does..

Posted by: terryjohnson16

Quote:

Originally Posted by poetic

im a direct dealer for t mob and my boss told me the other day that the sk3 should be out in the 4th quarter and that it will have bluetooth... i dunno about a mp camera.. but i hope it does..

How sure is he about the SK3 coming? What about EDGE on it? Danger hasn't announced anything yet. But, I do know that the Sk2 came out last August, and they usually do update devices every 1 1/2 years.

Posted by: negative

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gutterpunk

Ok... what i meant was put a blackberry / other pda side-by-side... load a normal webpage and they all go at the same rate....
do the same thing with javaSCRIPT.... the other devices will load it faster than the sidekick.... thats what i meant, pretty much.

Posted by: Gutterpunk

Quote:

Originally Posted by negative

Oh. shame that you didn't mention PDAs, Blackberries or "other devices" in your original post. One could really get confused and not know what you "meant"

I have 2 PDA at home. One using a GPRS connection, one connecting through EDGE. My hiptop 2 is faster than the GPRS one by far, especially when loading pictures. The Edge device is faster... But thats like comparing dial-up and broadband.

I'm not sure where you take your spec especially SINCE NO ONE EVER TRIED JAVASCRIPT ON A SIDEKICK. Not even you.

Posted by: negative

Before they send the OTA's out to everyone they do have to test them first.... ..... so yes, i've tried it out before.

Posted by: ollywompus

Man, I hope this comes through soon, and I hope it really does include JavaScript support... that was one of the reasons I got rid of my sk2 in the first place. Now I'm coming back to one, and the JS support would be very welcome!

-olly

Posted by: terryjohnson16

Quote:

Originally Posted by ollywompus

Man, I hope this comes through soon, and I hope it really does include JavaScript support... that was one of the reasons I got rid of my sk2 in the first place. Now I'm coming back to one, and the JS support would be very welcome!

-olly

I got rid of mines cause the camera was horrible, and the web was real slow, I mean slow. Plus, some website wouldn't come up, since they had JavaScript. Maybe when the SK3 comes out, I might think about buying that, as long as it had EDGE(class 6, 8, or 10), bluetooth, and a MP video camera.

Posted by: ollywompus

FYI to anyone who's interested, according to Danger's site, this is adding J2ME (Java) for developers to be able to write more Java programs for the SKII... not javascript (very different).

-olly

Posted by: terryjohnson16

Quote:

Originally Posted by ollywompus

FYI to anyone who's interested, according to Danger's site, this is adding J2ME (Java) for developers to be able to write more Java programs for the SKII... not javascript (very different).

-olly

Are you talking about the OTA thats coming?

Posted by: ollywompus

Quote:

Originally Posted by terryjohnson16

Are you talking about the OTA thats coming?

Yes, the coming OTA is supposed to have J2ME support, not JavaScript... 2 very VERY different things...

-olly

Posted by: terryjohnson16

Quote:

Originally Posted by ollywompus

Yes, the coming OTA is supposed to have J2ME support, not JavaScript... 2 very VERY different things...

-olly

J2ME is already enabled for the SK2. I mean JavaScript is coming via the OTA.

Posted by: WebbyBabe

Does anyone have any clue as to when this OTA will arrive?

Posted by: gthompson75

it does where and when did it get this the ota is j2me as that was the deal with danger and sunmicrosystems i highly doubt next month sometime and if it is for tmob we can guarantee fido will be 3 months behind. the j2me sdk is out for devolopers to work with but from what i understood the ota won't be until late this year. I will put money on there being no sk3 till spring next year maybe even later, why would danger put out a new sk when sk2 was just released in most parts of europe and sells like crazy here still, fido just got more and had a huge waiting list.

Posted by: terryjohnson16

Quote:

Originally Posted by gthompson75

it does where and when did it get this the ota is j2me as that was the deal with danger and sunmicrosystems i highly doubt next month sometime and if it is for tmob we can guarantee fido will be 3 months behind. the j2me sdk is out for devolopers to work with but from what i understood the ota won't be until late this year. I will put money on there being no sk3 till spring next year maybe even later, why would danger put out a new sk when sk2 was just released in most parts of europe and sells like crazy here still, fido just got more and had a huge waiting list.

I think the SK3 will be out by the end of this year, or early January/February. They always release a SK every year and a half. So, the SK2 came out for T-Mobile last August, so the SK3 will be coming by the end of the year/early next year.

The OTA is suppose to have JavaScript support. The SK2 already can view java pages. JavaScript and Java are different.

Posted by: gthompson75

Quote:

Originally Posted by terryjohnson16

give me some pages that i can go to and test this java on. also heres the info from the dev of danger

The hiptop® developer experience is improving. Danger is very pleased to announce that the next version (2.3) of hiptop software has passed compatibility tests with Sun Microsystem's Java™ 2 Platform, Micro Edition™ (J2ME Platform™). Danger has met compatibility requirements with the Connected Limited Device Configuration (CLDC) 1.1 and Mobile Information Device Profile (MIDP) 2.0 specifications within J2ME.

We've prepared a special J2ME-compatible SDK that will provide you with a "sneak peek" to version 2.3. This SDK contains the core elements of version 2.3, allowing you to run your J2ME applications on the hiptop simulator. We've also documented the process of transferring sample applications (you'll need to access items directly from Sun) to our SDK.

We plan to release the next version of the software to hiptop users later this year through over-the-air updates, allowing you to reach an enthusiastic and growing audience with your standard J2ME applications. Certification, publishing, and distribution of J2ME applications will work in the same way as current hiptop applications.

What is required to get started with hiptop development?
All hiptop application development (even J2ME development) is done using the hiptop SDK running under Sun's J2SE JDK. At the bare minimum you need Sun's J2SE JDK (1.4+), as well as a copy of the hiptop SDK.

But isn't the hiptop a J2ME device?
While the 2.3 version of the hiptop OS does support J2ME applications, the native API for the device is still a subset of J2SE with our own extensions.

there you go some java info for you all straight of danger dev site

p.s. don't over estimate the power of sk2 with os 2.1

Posted by: terryjohnson16

Quote:

Originally Posted by gthompson75

The Danger rep told me Java Script. Well we will see, if he is right.

Posted by: gthompson75

No matter what update they put out I'm disappointed with my sk2 or at least the fido version only aim messenger no yahoo messenger, crappy apps for min $8 fido gprs only works sometimes around the city of vancouver, os is to locked down no chance to mod it anyway so unless they put out the update by monday mine is sold and I would never by another danger product again as they are all about the money chargin for apps/games that people make as a hobby as I'm sure no one has gotten rich off developin for them. 1 last note my sk2 has slowed done considerably since I got it and put all my contacts taken some pics with it and my phone portion of it freezes constantly. The best thing has been the push mail.

Posted by: jgeorge

Quote:

Originally Posted by terryjohnson16

J2ME is already enabled for the SK2. I mean JavaScript is coming via the OTA.

The current device does not support J2ME. The previous poster is correct that the upcoming OTA will add this support.

Joe

Posted by: terryjohnson16

Quote:

Originally Posted by jgeorge

The current device does not support J2ME. The previous poster is correct that the upcoming OTA will add this support.

Joe

It already had J2ME on the devices. When you read those articles from Danger, they are saying that they are updating the J2ME versions, just like you updating the firmware to include more features, and support. JavaScript is the only thing thats not on the devices yet!

Here is where Danger states its only the next software version of J2ME, which means J2ME is already supported on the Sidekick 2/Hiptop 2:
http://danger.com/press_release.php?item=050214

Quote:

PALO ALTO, Calif. February 14, 2005 — Danger Inc. announced today that the next version (2.3) of its hiptop® software has passed compatibility tests with Sun Microsystem's Java™ 2 Platform, Micro Edition™ (J2ME Platform™). Danger plans to begin releasing the next version of its software to hiptop users later this year through over-the-air updates. Danger has met compatibility requirements with the Connected Limited Device Configuration (CLDC) 1.1 and Mobile Information Device Profile (MIDP) 2.0 specifications within J2ME. CLDC and MIDP have been a spectacular success for Sun Microsystems in the mobile phone and wireless device markets and have established Java™ as one of the premier standards in the mobile industry. Today there are 579 million mobile Java devices connected to mobile networks worldwide.

Quote:

Through the content catalog that Danger provides with its hiptop devices, customers already have the ability to preview and then purchase and download various applications and content. Once the next version of Danger's hiptop software is released, Danger and its operator partners will have the ability to offer existing J2ME applications on the hiptop platform. At the same time, Danger and its operator partners will continue to work with the Java community to develop new applications that are customized to take advantage of the powerful features and intuitive user interface of hiptop devices. Ultimately this will make a wider array of content available to users.

Here is proof. Scrool down in the features list until you see J2ME!
http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=560

So I know what I am talking about!

Posted by: gthompson75

Terryjohnson your misguided, as stated in my earlier post sk2 have j2se with danger subsets to make it compatible. Further more when they state next software version they are referring to the os here's proof no j2me as danger states in there press release they say in version 2.3 chech your version it will be 2.1 which does not support j2me.

Posted by: terryjohnson16

Quote:

Originally Posted by gthompson75

Terryjohnson your misguided, as stated in my earlier post sk2 have j2se with danger subsets to make it compatible. Further more when they state next software version they are referring to the os here's proof no j2me as danger states in there press release they say in version 2.3 chech your version it will be 2.1 which does not support j2me.

The Sidekick 2 already has J2ME already. Why don't you call your service provider and ask them? Also, read your manual, and specs. Only thing that would really help the Sidekick 2 is the ability to use JavaScript so more webpages can be viewed.

Posted by: gthompson75

Quote:

Originally Posted by terryjohnson16

well service provider says no it doesn't but is coming in the near future when there is a new update and could you please post the info off your user manual as with fido we didn't get a paper manual just an online address and i imagine you have the same so should be np for you to post this info for us all to see.

Posted by: gthompson75

where do the specs say j2me heres the specs from danger

Product
Description

Device

Name: hiptop2
Model Number: PV100
Form factor: Flip screen
Opens to expose QWERTY keyboard.
Closes for compact storage.
Size: 130 x 66 x 22 mm (5.1" x 2.6" x 0.9")
Weight: 184g (6.2oz)

Display

240x160 pixels
Over 65,000 colors (16-bit color)
Transflective TFT screen viewable in bright sunlight

Keyboard

5-row QWERTY keyboard
Dedicated number row
Dedicated 12-key dialpad area
Includes easy access key for @ symbol

Backlighting

Backlit screen and keyboard with light sensor

Imaging

Integrated VGA (640 x 480 pixel) camera
Supplemental LED for close-range illumination
Night mode setting for darker environments
Convex mirror for self-portraits

Navigation and Controls

Scroll Wheel with push capability
Send/End buttons (with page up/down capability)
Directional pad
Control buttons
Menu
Jump
Done
Cancel
Volume up/down
Power
Application-specific shoulder buttons

Notifications & Sounds

Front and back speakers
Speakerphone
12-voice polyphonic sounds
Vibration Motor
Multicolor LEDs

Radio

GSM/GPRS radio
Tri-band (900/1800/1900 MHz)
Multislot Class 10 functionality
Wireless off "airplane mode"

Memory

32 MB RAM
16 MB Flash

Battery

Rechargeable internal Lithium polymer battery

Interfaces

Audio jack
Power jack
Lanyard attachment

Posted by: gthompson75

Features

This integrated wireless device surfs the Internet like nothing else. Features all regular phone functions, an extra-large colour screen, full QWERTY keyboard for writing text and e-mail messages quickly and easily, and tools for staying organized such as the calendar, contacts, tasks and to-do list.

Tri-band world phone (1900, 1800 and 900 MHz) that operates on five continents
Integrated digital camera (VGA) with flash
Wireless e-mail (embedded e-mail account) and up to three POP3 accounts
Web browsing (HTML)
Personal organizer and advanced phone book (up to 2,000 entries)
Using you secure name and password, you can manage the information stored on your hiptop(TM)2 from any web enabled computer
Synchronization with Outlook®/Exchange (activation fee)
Large high-resolution colour screen (65,536 colours, 240 x 160 pixels)
AOL Instant Messenger(TM)
Thumb-operated trackwheel
Downloadable ringtones, applications and games directly from the catalog

heres the specs for the v180 that say pretty clearly java enabled notice sk2 doesn't.

::
Features
Quad-band phone (1900, 1800, 900 and 850 MHz) offering the most extensive GSM coverage worldwide
High-resolution colour screen (65,536 colours, 128 x 128 pixels)
GPRS handset for data transmission and mobile Internet (WAP)
Handsfree speaker
MP3 and polyphonic ringtones
Access to AOL Instant MessengerTM
Picture Messaging (MMS) and Java™ enabled
Phone book, games, alarm clock, calculator, calendar and currency converter

Posted by: T-Dubb88

Here, this is from the danger website:

"J2ME "Sneak Peek" SDK

The hiptop® developer experience is improving. Danger is very pleased to announce that the next version (2.3) of hiptop software has passed compatibility tests with Sun Microsystem's Java™ 2 Platform, Micro Edition™ (J2ME Platform™). Danger has met compatibility requirements with the Connected Limited Device Configuration (CLDC) 1.1 and Mobile Information Device Profile (MIDP) 2.0 specifications within J2ME.

We've prepared a special J2ME-compatible SDK that will provide you with a "sneak peek" to version 2.3. This SDK contains the core elements of version 2.3, allowing you to run your J2ME applications on the hiptop simulator. We've also documented the process of transferring sample applications (you'll need to access items directly from Sun) to our SDK.

We plan to release the next version of the software to hiptop users later this year through over-the-air updates, allowing you to reach an enthusiastic and growing audience with your standard J2ME applications. Certification, publishing, and distribution of J2ME applications will work in the same way as current hiptop applications."

Posted by: terryjohnson16

Quote:

Originally Posted by gthompson75

I don't own a SK, but I used to a few months ago. I got rid of it due to the slow web, and bad camera quality. Maybe if the Sk3 came out, with some better features I would get it.

Posted by: terryjohnson16

Quote:

Originally Posted by T-Dubb88

Here, this is from the danger website:

"J2ME "Sneak Peek" SDK

The hiptop® developer experience is improving. Danger is very pleased to announce that the next version (2.3) of hiptop software has passed compatibility tests with Sun Microsystem's Java™ 2 Platform, Micro Edition™ (J2ME Platform™). Danger has met compatibility requirements with the Connected Limited Device Configuration (CLDC) 1.1 and Mobile Information Device Profile (MIDP) 2.0 specifications within J2ME.

We've prepared a special J2ME-compatible SDK that will provide you with a "sneak peek" to version 2.3. This SDK contains the core elements of version 2.3, allowing you to run your J2ME applications on the hiptop simulator. We've also documented the process of transferring sample applications (you'll need to access items directly from Sun) to our SDK.

We plan to release the next version of the software to hiptop users later this year through over-the-air updates, allowing you to reach an enthusiastic and growing audience with your standard J2ME applications. Certification, publishing, and distribution of J2ME applications will work in the same way as current hiptop applications."

I posted that already. Look up.

Posted by: gthompson75

Terry the only reason I argue the point is because I don't want people that want an sk2 to think that it can do all this good stuff when it can't like j2me or java script. To your reasoning on getting rid of the phone what did you expect wheb you bought it. Of course its slow web browsing only is gprs. Most camera phones are crappy if your all about the camera just get an insependant camera, the thing most people forget sk2s and other things are exactly what they say mobile phones not moile cameras with phone abilities.

Posted by: jgeorge

Quote:

Originally Posted by terryjohnson16

Terry,

We're really not all trying to argue with you, but the fact remains that the current OS on the current hiptop device does not support j2me. The link you provide to phonescoop is all well and good, but phonescoop is wrong. I don't know how clearer the Danger press releases can be that say the device WILL support J2ME but it does not now.

The current OS supports Java J2SE which is something COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than Java J2ME.

The next major release of the OS will include support for J2ME (in addition to the existing J2SE support).

Redgardless of links, press releases, or other mobile phone sites, I can provide firsthand knowledge of this fact. I develop for the hiptop, and I've written more than a few apps for it. J2ME is *NOT* supported on the current OS releases (2.0 or 2.1 depending on what carrier you have).

The 2.3 OS will indeed support J2ME as previously mentioned. I have seen it with mine own two eyes, and installed J2ME MIDlets on it that will not load on the current OS.

I can't make it any clearer, sorry.

Joe

Posted by: terryjohnson16

Sorry, I want to apologize, yall were right. I sent an email to Danger, and they responded saying that it does NOT, have Java J2ME on it. I am sorry, I thought it did. But he said that their will be OTA updates coming. Plus, I asked him about the SK3, and his responce is on the bottom.

Here is what he said when he replied:

Quote:

Hi,

Thank you for taking the time to contact Danger. The device does not
already have the java/j2me support integrated into it at this point. The
article that you read basically states that we have reached an
agreement with Sun and they are going to work with us so that we can integrate
this functionality into the device.

So to answer your question, this is something that will be forthcoming.
There will likely be an Over the Air software update that would take
care of this so the overall process once it is ready to be implemented
would be painless.

I'm sorry Danger does not comment on unreleased products, programs or
services, since technology may change before products are released.
However, Danger, Inc. is constantly innovating and bringing new products
and services to market. For the latest information on our products and
services, and All announcements of this type will be promptly posted on
our website at www.danger.com

Regards,

Gary D.
Danger Support
Danger, Inc.

Posted by: triple5soul8781

Cant wait for the OTA update....lol

Posted by: deezh73

what is edge??? a new browser or something???

Posted by: kfernandes29

EDGE is a new data service technology. It is multiple times faster than GPRS.

Posted by: angrymic

hhmmmmm... still sitting here holding my breath for the OTA update. Did i just not get mine yet?

Posted by: bigredgpk

Quote:

Originally Posted by WebbyBabe

I doubt it will have an MP3 player. But I can see it having bluetooth 1.3 mp camera and EDGE.

Look at the Market this phone is aimed at... they would be stupid not to include a MP3 player and a memory slot (SD, MiniSD, Micro SD.. whatever).

My Treo 650 has this funtionality and with that and TCPMP my girlfriend is mad she turned down my Treo 600 I offered her. oh well...

Timmay

Posted by: gonehighstar

i am actually kinda dissapointed with my sidekick 2...i really thought it would have been more exciting then it is, i mean the first week it was alright, now it is kinda boring...i just hate this camera and i don't like how we can't put our own ringtones using somethin like freeringers.net....and i just paid for that service too.......oh well...maybe the next sidekick will include all these fun things and make the os a bit better?!?!?!

Posted by: revelated

Quote:

Originally Posted by gthompson75

No matter what update they put out I'm disappointed with my sk2 or at least the fido version only aim messenger no yahoo messenger, crappy apps for min $8 fido gprs only works sometimes around the city of vancouver, os is to locked down no chance to mod it anyway so unless they put out the update by monday mine is sold and I would never by another danger product again as they are all about the money chargin for apps/games that people make as a hobby as I'm sure no one has gotten rich off developin for them. 1 last note my sk2 has slowed done considerably since I got it and put all my contacts taken some pics with it and my phone portion of it freezes constantly. The best thing has been the push mail.

Yahoo Messenger is free. Just download it from Download Fun. Late, but still.

What bugs me is the lack of MSN Messenger. I know people who use Hotmail a lot more than Yahoo or AOHELL.

Posted by: HyDrA_AnT

Will this be for the sk1 or just the $300 sk2??

Posted by: Blastpass

http://howardforums.com/attachment....tid=57777&stc=1

Posted by: terryjohnson16

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Originally Posted by Blastpass

http://howardforums.com/attachment....tid=57777&stc=1

Breaking News: This just in to HoFo: That is not the Sidekick 3!

Posted by: gthompson75

sold my hiptop and got palm e2 with bt to phone for internet now way better and it has verichat that is a great chat prog, hiptop is just to locked down and for what they cost it is kinda useless to have a device you have no control over and cannot alter at all.