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Email aside, How does BlackBerry rate as a PDA

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Posted by: RIMarkable

I was just wondering how those of you that have used PocketPC or Palm as a PDA would rate your BlackBerry's PDA functions against the other players when you don't put email into the mix.

I am a PocketPC transplant and although I now am a die-hard CrackBerry addict, I miss some of the features that I had on my old IPaq. Infra-Red, memory card slots, more horsepower, and a stylus, just to name a few.



Posted by: jase88

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I started with Blackberry from the very beginning, with the pager-sized Mobitex device.

I briefly went to the Tungsten (it was a gift from Rogers). I found the Tungsten Palm buggy...especially the versamail client. And the phone was terrible--people hated speaking to me on it.

I've long since gone back to Blackberry and haven't looked back.

The colour display on the blackberry is the best I've seen. Who else has makes a colour display that can be easily seen in bright sunlight? Or without a backlight in most situations?!

For any other functions (memory cards, etc) I've got a great laptop.

Now if only we could get Bell to enable the blackberry as a modem....



Posted by: halfempty

I still carry around a Blackberry and my iPAQ because the BB cannot handle anything but simple PDA tasks.

Task / contact management is a joke compared to PI or AF on a PocketPC

No project management apps available

No expansion for playing MP3's, etc.

Cannot STORE files on your BB for offline viewing.

There's more, but I'll stop there.

I'm waiting for BB connect software for PocketPC to come out, and then I'll drop the BB.

Having said all that, if you need simple PDA tasks, a BB should be fine.



Posted by: GregGebhardt

Quote:
Originally Posted by RIMarkable
I was just wondering how those of you that have used PocketPC or Palm as a PDA would rate your BlackBerry's PDA functions against the other players when you don't put email into the mix.

I am a PocketPC transplant and although I now am a die-hard CrackBerry addict, I miss some of the features that I had on my old IPaq. Infra-Red, memory card slots, more horsepower, and a stylus, just to name a few.


The BB is OK for PIM and calender funtions but I prefer Palm's desktop interface. I hate OutLook but have to use it. I would LOVE for RIM to introduce their own Desktop interface. It is just not going to happen and I love my BB for the email. Nothing beats it, nothing.



Posted by: QBall05

Before I purchased my BB, I owned about four different PocketPC devices and one Palm device. All in all, the BB is acceptable. The PocketPC has it beat hands down in the novelty department. The PPC is much more versatile in general than the BB. However, I found that I really didn't need all the extra stuff and the weekly if not more frequent soft resets. My only big complaint with the BB is the alam capabilities. You can't snooze alarms for tasks or calendar events like you can with a PPC. Other than that and a few minor things, I really like my BB and have given up my PPC.



Posted by: 9balla4life

[I] I have used the Treo 650, SX66, BB 7290/90 and 7100G, not to mention the Audiovox SMT5600.

IMHO, Blackberry's are the BEST device on earth, especially the 7100G. For about 2 yrs all I used was PALM based phones like the Samsung I500-SPCS and Treo 600 with Cingular Wireless.

I liked the fact that the PALM devices have an individual program in which you can make changes to the calender, tasks, addressbooks etc. I really liked the fact that you can make the changes and "hotsync" your device. The thing that I don't like is the fact that you can't do it over the air. Not to mention that PALMS are normally heavier than BB's. Also I do not care for the fact that all PALM devices use a third party program- Versamail. I hate having to open the application and then press the "send and receive" button to retrieve your e-mails.

The newer version of the BB is much easier to use, much lighter and you don't have to use a third party progam to receing e-mails and not to mention that BB's are considered to be the underdogs and I like beening the underdawg. Plus, the customer bases has nearly doubled that of last years projection. Unfortunately I do not know what that figure is.

IMHO I think that Palm has been way too sloppy and way to careless with their new products beig that the Treo 650 has mad issues with turning itself off.

All a simple matter of opinion.



Posted by: tirsch

Check out PocketDay at www.crossriversystems.com/pocketday

It's the ultimate Today screen and PIM for the BlackBerry...



Posted by: sk33

I'm also wondering about this..

T-Mobile is offering me the Blackberry 7100 for $100, and that's by far the cheapest for a PDA/phone. I only need very simple PDA function, and I don't need a data plan at all.

Is the blackberry's voice OK? (I'm going from a SE T610)

All I really need is calendar and phonebook, and ability to sync with PC... is all that possible on the BB?



Posted by: jase88

I forgot to mention that my Palm Tungsten W lacked any non-volatile memory. One time the battery completely died on me...when I recharged it everything was gone. Thankfully I had backed up the data on my laptop!

Not sure if other Palm devices have the same issue. But the Blackberry will always retain your data...not matter how badly you kill the battery.



Posted by: RIMarkable

Quote:
Originally Posted by sk33
I'm also wondering about this..

T-Mobile is offering me the Blackberry 7100 for $100, and that's by far the cheapest for a PDA/phone. I only need very simple PDA function, and I don't need a data plan at all.

Is the blackberry's voice OK? (I'm going from a SE T610)

All I really need is calendar and phonebook, and ability to sync with PC... is all that possible on the BB?


I would say that if you are looking for a simple PDA. I emphasize simple. You cannot beat the 7100T.



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This thread got linked to on bbhub.com .




Posted by: jase88

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That's funny! I was quoted on that website!



Posted by: MadCruzer

The best thing for me regarding using the BB as a PDA? The fact that it's attached to me and easier to carry then my Dell Axim. That being said, the Axim is still in the briefcase to handle some more serious tasks, but the BB serves all of my calendar/contact needs.

I've had the BB for two months now, and my Axim battery has gone dead on me 3 times, lack of use.



Posted by: Mr Pink57

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Quote:
Originally Posted by jase88
I forgot to mention that my Palm Tungsten W lacked any non-volatile memory. One time the battery completely died on me...when I recharged it everything was gone. Thankfully I had backed up the data on my laptop!

Not sure if other Palm devices have the same issue. But the Blackberry will always retain your data...not matter how badly you kill the battery.


Palm's newer devices and a few older ones now run on non-volitile. I had to read 10 pages on this at work "zzzz.".

I came from a SK 2 world, where there is not much expansion, however at work we have people using all kinds of devices and all I see is re-boots with palm. However with ppc's I do not see a lot of that, if you are looking for simple ppc functions you could get by, but once advanced I suggest you look somewhere else.

As for the guy about the 7100t, I say go for it! The device can do what you need it to do.

pink



Posted by: Mr Pink57

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Sorry guys for some reason I cannot edit my post?

Anyways on being able to wirelessly sync you are going to need to be running on BES 4.0, if not it will have to be done thru a data cable. If you do not know what a BES is just ask. In this thread.

pink



Posted by: mgerbasio

I don't like the Blackberry but that's an improvement since I hated it when I got it. I'm using the 7290 on Cingular. It does work as advertised but it is a big step back from a PocketPC. Our company has locked down email access, took down OWA and forwarding ability so Blackberry is now the only way to get to our exchange email when mobile. Without BES I don't see any value in the bb at all since you aren't getting push email and it doesn't sync with the pop/imap accounts.

For a email device not to have a spell check is beyond belief. Yes I know I could get one but don't like the idea of sending all my messages to a server to be checked. If that's the case, the whole idea of a secure device is kind of out the window when I need to access a third party server. I'm sure our IT department would have a fit.

All other PIM functions fall short of Palm/PocketPC, although I think the PocketDay software does help; I'll also plug Berry411. Paying $200 for a program to view and edit MS Office docs isn't even something I'd consider for a feature that should be in the box. The browser is lacking, even Avantgo doesn't cache pages. Not that I use it but you can forget any multimedia. No maps, something like Pocket Streets. Again, downloading takes too long and doesn't help when I'm inside an office building trying to find my next meeting. I can't copy text notes or pdfs to the device to be viewed later. Same with the IM software, although there are a few options now.

Yes, I know there are work arounds and third party software. But the cost of the device is right up there and the data service has a preimum over standard pda monthly data costs I'd expect the BB to be much more than it is now. Out of the box it should have at least the same features for consumer appeal.

To me, this is nothing more than a very specialized device to access corporate email. What it lacks in PIM it makes up for in security and ease of central management and that's a lot. I think the device has potential to be as good or better than the Palm/PocketPC. Why you'd get this without needing it for BES is beyond me when there are much better and cheaper solutions. I've pretty much been able to dump my PocketPC for everything except my job notes (text/word/pdf files), maps/gps and zagat to go. With PocketDay, the PIM is passable.

As a phone, the ear piece volume is too low. On a busy street in NYC I can't hear anything.

Regards-Michael G.



Posted by: JAChavez99

Quote:
Originally Posted by mgerbasio
I don't like the Blackberry but that's an improvement since I hated it when I got it. I'm using the 7290 on Cingular. It does work as advertised but it is a big step back from a PocketPC. Our company has locked down email access, took down OWA and forwarding ability so Blackberry is now the only way to get to our exchange email when mobile. Without BES I don't see any value in the bb at all since you aren't getting push email and it doesn't sync with the pop/imap accounts.

For a email device not to have a spell check is beyond belief. Yes I know I could get one but don't like the idea of sending all my messages to a server to be checked. If that's the case, the whole idea of a secure device is kind of out the window when I need to access a third party server. I'm sure our IT department would have a fit.

All other PIM functions fall short of Palm/PocketPC, although I think the PocketDay software does help; I'll also plug Berry411. Paying $200 for a program to view and edit MS Office docs isn't even something I'd consider for a feature that should be in the box. The browser is lacking, even Avantgo doesn't cache pages. Not that I use it but you can forget any multimedia. No maps, something like Pocket Streets. Again, downloading takes too long and doesn't help when I'm inside an office building trying to find my next meeting. I can't copy text notes or pdfs to the device to be viewed later. Same with the IM software, although there are a few options now.

Yes, I know there are work arounds and third party software. But the cost of the device is right up there and the data service has a preimum over standard pda monthly data costs I'd expect the BB to be much more than it is now. Out of the box it should have at least the same features for consumer appeal.

To me, this is nothing more than a very specialized device to access corporate email. What it lacks in PIM it makes up for in security and ease of central management and that's a lot. I think the device has potential to be as good or better than the Palm/PocketPC. Why you'd get this without needing it for BES is beyond me when there are much better and cheaper solutions. I've pretty much been able to dump my PocketPC for everything except my job notes (text/word/pdf files), maps/gps and zagat to go. With PocketDay, the PIM is passable.

As a phone, the ear piece volume is too low. On a busy street in NYC I can't hear anything.

Regards-Michael G.



Just out of curiousity, you said there are better and cheaper devices...which specifically are you referring to? I know Nextel just had the 7520 pretty cheap, since I just got it.

For those of you that have used both the 7500/7200 series and 7100, which does a better job as a PDA?



Posted by: mgerbasio

Quote:
Originally Posted by JAChavez99
Just out of curiousity, you said there are better and cheaper devices...which specifically are you referring to? I know Nextel just had the 7520 pretty cheap, since I just got it.


When I had the T-Mobile data plan, I could use it to access my email, unlimited data for $10/mo. If I wanted to add VPN it was $20/mo. For BB without BES it is $30/mo with BES $40/mo. ATTWS and Verizon were charging $35/mo for unlimited PDA and $50/mo for BB. I haven't check recent pricing.

You can pick up an unlocked imate jam or MDA II, MDA III on ebay for about the same price as an unlocked BB if you want an all in one device. Otherwise you can get a palm or pocketpc with bluetooth and a bluetooth phone with a data plan and teather as needed.

You might also want to look at the Audiovox SMT 5600. Add voice command and you have a nice smart phone.

Why not try the Cingular BB for 30 days and return it if you don't like it. What you expect in a PDA might be a lot different than what I expect. I was getting away with using a SE T610 to pick up email and triage messages. When I needed to respond I could do it from the phone or connect to my ipaq 4150 with bluetooth easy enough. Imap servers keep all the messages in sync. The MDA II made it much easier but it looses to the BB in size, weight and battery life.

Regards-Michael G.



Posted by: JAChavez99

Quote:
Originally Posted by mgerbasio
When I had the T-Mobile data plan, I could use it to access my email, unlimited data for $10/mo. If I wanted to add VPN it was $20/mo. For BB without BES it is $30/mo with BES $40/mo. ATTWS and Verizon were charging $35/mo for unlimited PDA and $50/mo for BB. I haven't check recent pricing.

You can pick up an unlocked imate jam or MDA II, MDA III on ebay for about the same price as an unlocked BB if you want an all in one device. Otherwise you can get a palm or pocketpc with bluetooth and a bluetooth phone with a data plan and teather as needed.

You might also want to look at the Audiovox SMT 5600. Add voice command and you have a nice smart phone.

Why not try the Cingular BB for 30 days and return it if you don't like it. What you expect in a PDA might be a lot different than what I expect. I was getting away with using a SE T610 to pick up email and triage messages. When I needed to respond I could do it from the phone or connect to my ipaq 4150 with bluetooth easy enough. Imap servers keep all the messages in sync. The MDA II made it much easier but it looses to the BB in size, weight and battery life.

Regards-Michael G.



Do all of the ones you mentioned have html browser as well?





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