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Originally Posted by bobolito
Yes, those plans bill for N&W first before M2M. So M2M only applies during the Anytime hours.
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Originally Posted by bobolito
Yes, those plans bill for N&W first before M2M. So M2M only applies during the Anytime hours.
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Originally Posted by hominid7
If that is the case, then M2M is not unlimited. Or am i missing something?
Cingular is goofy for not making n/w minutes unlimited on the 39.99 plan. |
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Originally Posted by hominid7
If that is the case, then M2M is not unlimited. Or am i missing something?
Cingular is goofy for not making n/w minutes unlimited on the 39.99 plan. |
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Originally Posted by rhino369
I've heard that the 5000 ends up being unlimited if you find a way to go over it. Atleast thats what i heard two years ago when i was on CIngular.
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Originally Posted by Rcadden
They're like, "I only use 200-300 daytime minutes, but I talk alot at night, so I need the unlimited." I'm not going to dissuade you, mister. you seem to know what you need.
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Originally Posted by ASimpleFarmer
what would it matter anyways? 5,000 NW mins =83 hours of talk time. if you can talk that much at night, they you would definately be on the 59.99 plan.
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Originally Posted by rhino369
I've heard that the 5000 ends up being unlimited if you find a way to go over it. Atleast thats what i heard two years ago when i was on CIngular.
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Originally Posted by mlzielke
It doesn't seem logical to me that M2M minutes made after 9 p.m. would be deducted from your 5000 night time minutes. Seems to me they should be logged as free M2M minutes and the 5000 minutes should be reserved for making calls to non-Cingular customers and/or Cingular customers that don't have M2M. Or is that what you meant, Bobo?
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Originally Posted by action-packed
its not the point of "what would it matter". the point is that its stupid to not have it taken out of your m2m minutes on the night and weekends. i know some people who do use that many N/W mins (a friend of mine used up over 6000 N/W mins. lucky for him he is on T-Mobile. and a lot of them were m2m).
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Originally Posted by bobolito
If you do the math it really doesnt matter the way it is billed because after you run out of N&W it will start using M2M.
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Originally Posted by ASimpleFarmer
man I stand corrected. I still can't imagine using that many minutes. perhaps I am just jealous
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Originally Posted by bobolito
If you do the math it really doesnt matter the way it is billed because after you run out of N&W it will start using M2M.
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Originally Posted by ivwshane
Not if your 5000 is eaten all up from m2m calls and then you call non cingular customers at night and get chargerd overages.
The chances of this happening is slim but it should be counted like this: Unlimited n/w should go first or if n/w<5000 then unlimited m2m should go first unless m2m<N/W then N/W should be used first then m2m. |
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Originally Posted by action-packed
but what if i eat up my 5000 mins talking to other Cingular customers? if i talk to non Cingular customers after my so called m2m ate my 5000 mins then i'm screwed. that's my they shouldn't be touching your 5000 n/w mins AT ALL if i'm using m2m.
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Originally Posted by bobolito
If you really use up all your N&W minutes by talking to other Cingular customers, then I really don't see how you'd have time left to talk to non-Cingular customers in order to get overages. Customers that talk that much are those who congest the network and therefore Cingular wants them to spend $10 more for the next up plan which has unlimited N&W. Bottomline, if you want to talk that much, you have to pay for it just like anything else.
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Originally Posted by action-packed
what?! are you serious?
that's crazy. m2m should be unlimited period. it should not take away from any of your minutes. |
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Originally Posted by manhole
The way Cingular is billing these minutes makes perfect sense for the $39.99 plan that was available a while back. That plan included 450 anytime, 5000 n&w, and 1000 m2m. If you only had 1000 m2m, it made sense that m2m minutes during nights and weekends came out of your 5000 minute bucket first. But now that Cingular offers unlimited m2m on this plan, it should definately be changed to bill m2m minutes even on nights and weekends.
As a plus to Cingular, billing m2m minutes at all times would make people appreciate Cingular even more when they view their bill and see how many FREE m2m minutes they used during the month. Just my thoughts. |
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Originally Posted by joshpo
From Verizon's TOS:
National IN Calling does not apply to incoming calls and will apply to outgoing calls only. That seems like a much worse billing issue to me.... No carrier is perfect but of all the crazy things they do this is pretty low on the totem pole. |
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National IN Calling If Caller ID is not present or Caller ID Block is initiated, National IN Calling does not apply to incoming calls and will apply to outgoing calls only. National IN Calling is not available to customers whose wireless exchange restricts the delivery of Caller ID or with fixed wireless devices with usage substantially from a single cell site. National IN Calling does not apply if Call Forwarding or No Answer/Busy Transfer features are activated or to data usage, including Push to Talk calls, Picture Messaging or Video Messaging, calls to check your voice mail and calls to Verizon Wireless customers using Airfone® Service or any of the VZGlobal services. National IN Calling does not apply in those areas of Louisiana and Mississippi where your phone’s roaming indicator flashes. |
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Originally Posted by action-packed
exactly. this is exactly what i'm trying to tell Bobolito.
to Bobo, i didn't say it takes from your regular minutes. i'm saying that if my 600 mins with unlimited N/W plan was like where my unlimited N/W mins didn't kick in til all of my 600 mins were gone, everyone would be crying foul and its the same concept here. |
| that is not exactly how other carriers do it. prove me wrong. with Verizon's unlimited "IN" network calling, you think they use up your anytime mins first? no. |
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Originally Posted by manhole
But now that Cingular offers unlimited m2m on this plan, it should definately be changed to bill m2m minutes even on nights and weekends.
Just my thoughts. |
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Originally Posted by i0wnj00
Why should Cingular change the way they bill UM2M for this plan?
It's going to confuse sales reps and customers alike when it comes to how UM2M is billed. Then you have customers that completely forget the tiny details or don't care about the said details of their plan. On the other hand, you have sales reps/CSRs that also forget the same details. At least, keeping a consistent way to bill UM2M regardless of plan will create the least confusion. So 5000 N&W for all calls isn't enough for one person for a month? 5000 N&W is pretty much unlimited in my book, unless somebody has consistently gone over this limit by yakking to their Cingular/AT&T buddies. Then you have rollover, which I believe can be used when the allotted pool of N&W minutes are gone. |
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Originally Posted by bobolito
I understand perfectly what you're saying. But I just don't think we can blame Cingular for figuring out a way to make people pay for excessive use. I honestly think that anyone who is capable of using more than 5000 N&W minutes in one month really needs to get a life and a replacement of all radiation-burned brain neurons.
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Originally Posted by bobolito
That's not what I said. What I meant was that other carriers bill M2M minutes during the anytime period only. It's not only Cingular. However, at least other carriers give you unlimited N&W minutes on all their plans so it really doesn't matter.
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Consumption Order of Minutes are changing February 1, 2004 Start Date: February 1, 2004 End Date: Ongoing Overview: Beginning on plans built for February 1, 2004, the consumption order of minutes will be changing. Here is a quick breakdown of what has changed: · Plans prior to 2/1: mobile to mobile, night and weekend minutes, anytime minutes, bonus rollover and accumulated rollover balance · Plans built after 2/1: night and weekend minutes, mobile to mobile, anytime minutes, bonus rollover and accumulated rollover balance |
| it only makes sense for them to bill m2m during anytime minutes only because N/W minutes are unlimited. |
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Originally Posted by shortyd999
M2M is unlimited also. |
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Originally Posted by shortyd999
So Cingular did have it the other way around and change it because thats they way customers want it. See, Cingular does listen to its customers.
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