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Moto vs. 650
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Posted by: keithshoe

Was getting ready to pull the trigger on 650 and found this link for a
new Razr/Berry phone.

What do you think??

http://www.gizmag.com/watermark.php...26070525007.jpg

Posted by: keithshoe

article for above phone.......

http://www.gizmag.com/go/4324/

Posted by: dsilver

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Originally Posted by keithshoe

article for above phone.......

http://www.gizmag.com/go/4324/

Personally, I think it's clunkier looking than the Treo and pretty much rips most features directly from it. I've never been a fan of Motorola quality, either...

Posted by: chompx2

While the Moto is thinner but it is about the same length and width of the Treo. It should have a larger display, Treo has a 320x320 pix and Moto only has 320x240 pix.
The size of Treo is very good and the thickness does not bother me and it is well balanced for a single handed use.
Form factor wise, I still think the Treo is better for the time being until I can get my hands on a Moto and try it out.

Posted by: peaches

Some people call this the "treo killer" but there's no chance in hell that it'll ever happen. Not only is it a windows mobile device, but it also doesn't have a touch screen. I have a feeling it will end up like the MPX line.. Discontinued..

Only thing that it has that I want is a megapixel camera..

Posted by: tartis

If this uses MS-Smartphone 2003, it will be doomed. I have owned two MS-Smartphone 2003 devices, and they come up way short of being a good PDA. They are easy to use as a phone, but pretty bad for a PDA.

Posted by: peaches

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Originally Posted by tartis

If this uses MS-Smartphone 2003, it will be doomed. I have owned two MS-Smartphone 2003 devices, and they come up way short of being a good PDA. They are easy to use as a phone, but pretty bad for a PDA.

I'm almost 99.9% sure it'll be WM05. Even still though it's a windows mobile.. *shudders*

Posted by: tonydrone

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Originally Posted by peaches

I'm almost 99.9% sure it'll be WM05. Even still though it's a windows mobile.. *shudders*

I thought the same thing, windows is the worst OS on the planet. It's a shame they keep wasting what seems like a good idea on Windows OS. Talk about blowing it.

Posted by: Chillin

Don't forget it will not be released until Q1, 2006.

Compare something that exists (Treo 650) to something that doesn't (The Q) and the one that exists will always win.

Posted by: BlackRanger3d

Treo 650 vs Razorberry

One Punch...

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....it also doesn't have a touch screen....

Boom, down for the count.

650 (**** the 600) Wins.

IMHO a true PDA needs a touch screen.

Posted by: islandsnow

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Originally Posted by keithshoe

Was getting ready to pull the trigger on 650 and found this link for a
new Razr/Berry phone.

What do you think??

http://www.gizmag.com/watermark.php...26070525007.jpg

personally i don't know why they have so much wasted space between the space bar and the bottom of the phone. at least the treo's keyboard and screen layout makes better use of the entire area. if they cut out that wasted space, then it could be even shorter in length than then treo, in addition to being thinner.

the razr/berry really doesn't have a touch screen?

Posted by: xynos

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wonder if WM05 is more stable than the one it replaces. i used an audiovox 4100 for a while and it need rebooting pretty often, altho its multitasking is nice to have. i think i'll stick to symbian for now, as they're the most stable of the bunch so far..

Posted by: islandsnow

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wonder if WM05 is more stable than the one it replaces. i used an audiovox 4100 for a while and it need rebooting pretty often, altho its multitasking is nice to have. i think i'll stick to symbian for now, as they're the most stable of the bunch so far..

does symbian have a lot of apps like pocketpc and palm?

Posted by: xynos

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the UIQ even has doc to go like palm. better than quickoffice imho.

Posted by: xynos

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i think apps is a moot point for treo. i don't dare to install many apps, as they tend to make the treo unstable. i just stick to the basics, versamail and treoguard. the rest of my apps go to my lifedrive.

Posted by: bolthead

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Originally Posted by keithshoe

Was getting ready to pull the trigger on 650 and found this link for a
new Razr/Berry phone.

What do you think??

http://www.gizmag.com/watermark.php...26070525007.jpg

One important fact overlooked the Moto is GSM and your provider is listed as Sprint which is CDMA and they don't make one for CDMA only the Treo is CDMA

Posted by: islandsnow

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i think apps is a moot point for treo. i don't dare to install many apps, as they tend to make the treo unstable. i just stick to the basics, versamail and treoguard. the rest of my apps go to my lifedrive.

wow, i've installed TONS of apps on my treo. and its not unstable at all. it could be the type of app you install too. there was a reason why i got rid of my pda, i didn't want to carry a pda AND a phone. if i didn't want to install many apps on my treo, i would have gone back and get a smaller, lighter phone and start carrying my pda again.

Posted by: keithshoe

thanks for the replies............

Noticed the link it was a GSM, but did not know if they were going to do a CDMA.

Seems like I need to find the best deal on a Treo for an existing customer they have now. What is the best deal for somebody on the business plan for the Treo, $319.00 ??

I had a Moto 10 years ago, remember the StarTac, back in the day.....

Posted by: bolthead

Moto seems to treat the CDMA customer like a red headed stepchild

The Razr is not even available CDMA in the US. Plus Sprint and Moto are like oil and water, they never mixed well except for that single band startac back in the day

Go with the Treo you won't regret it I can't wait until Alltel gets theirs 4 qtr!!!

Posted by: Paul-the-Phone

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Originally Posted by xynos

i think apps is a moot point for treo. i don't dare to install many apps, as they tend to make the treo unstable. i just stick to the basics, versamail and treoguard. the rest of my apps go to my lifedrive.

I have over 120 third party apps on my Treo 600. It's no more unstable than any other Palm device I've used, and in fact, I was using about half of these on a IIIc before I got the Treo. I've had only one major crash requiring a hard reset since getting the Treo and that was my own fault for installing seven untested shareware apps simultaneously. Occasional minor soft resets are to be expected on any Palm device and they occur far less often than Microsoft system failures. Treo's OS5 is more stable than the IIIc's OS3.5 that I used for nearly five years.

Posted by: keithshoe

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bw/20050729...HNlYwMlJVRPUCUl

Pretty good read about Moto and what they have planned...

Still going with the Treo. Should I wait until Fall release for the next generation now though? Is it going to be the 670? More memory, better camera, better screen, and make your coffee for you??

Posted by: officerage

Don't hold your breath for the Motorola Q. It would have been an interesting proposition if it was running Windows Mobile for Pocket PC but it's only got Windows Mobile for Smartphones. You'll be rebooting that phone more often than you'll be making calls with it (my past experience). You're better off with the Treo 650 if it's between the two phones.

Posted by: cmc0

This could still be a Treo killer even without the touchscreen but only if it syncs with RIM's BES servers. Does it?

Posted by: xynos

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wm2005 is supposed to provide pushmail capability for people running exchange sp2. i doubt they will provide bb connect software. maybe goodlink will have something.

Posted by: keithshoe

Found this looking around at Gizmondo..
Linky

Watching and listening to Sat. TV with your cellphone. Will Treo roll this out with the next update

SCH-B200 / SPH-B2000 Specifications:
- CDMA2000 1x EV-DO (800MHz/1900MHz)
- Mobile TV (Satellite DMB)
- 2-megapixel / Flash
- Video Recording (MPEG4) & Messaging
- VOD / MOD
- Display: 2.2-inch 262,144-color TFT-LCD (240 x 320 pixels)
- MP3 Player
- 64 Polyphonic Ringtones
- 256MB External Memory (TransFlash)
- IrDA / Remote Controller
- TV Output Support
- 106.5 x 52 x 25.9 mm
- 174 g

Posted by: LetsGoFlyers

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Originally Posted by cmc0

This could still be a Treo killer even without the touchscreen but only if it syncs with RIM's BES servers. Does it?

It won't be much competition for the Treo 650, not with WM Smartphone. If you took the same form factor but gave it the WM PPC version and without all the bugs of the MPX, then Motorola would be onto something. WM Smartphone is nothing more than a glorified PIM with extra multimedia functionality. I've used the MPX 220 and was less than impressed. The Moto Q isn't much more than that but in a candybar form factor and styled after the RAZR line.

Treo = phone and fully functioning PDA
Moto Q = phone and minimal PDA applications

Nuff said...

Posted by: cmc0

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Originally Posted by LetsGoFlyers

What PDA functions does it not have that the Treo 650 has? I can see that is has no touchscreen, but then again, the Blackberry was a huge sucess without a touchscreen. As long as it has PIM functions and wireless sync, it's a fully functioning PDA to 90% of the market!

But the reason I say that it still has the potential to be a Treo killer (blackberry contender) is because it's designed for the push e-mail market in mind. Multimedia features don't sell as much as a business-orientated device. (that's why the Blackberry outsells Palm's Treo and Pocket PC's by a wide margin). With the Q, Motorola isn't going for that consumer-multimedia market so that's why I was saying, if it can connect to BES, it has a chance, since it would be basically a blackberry with some added features.

Posted by: cmc0

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wm2005 is supposed to provide pushmail capability for people running exchange sp2. i doubt they will provide bb connect software. maybe goodlink will have something.

I'm sure Goodlink will have something for the Q, since they do support Pocket PC and Palm OS, but the problem with Goodlink is that's it's very expensive to deploy and unlike RIM, you have a wide range of devices to deal with running a Goodlink server. With BES, it's more streamlined to cater just to Blackberry devices. Plus BES and Blackberry is the de-facto choice for push e-mail in most places anyway.

And please, don't get me started on Exchange, but unfortunately, I think Microsoft is probally going to push Exchange on this device over BES or Goodlink

Posted by: LetsGoFlyers

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Originally Posted by cmc0

WM Smartphone simply isn't robust enough to compete with Palm, but it's not intended to. No Smartphone out there that was designed to compete with a device like the Treo, that's what PPC's are for. They're on an entirely different level. You don't have a touchscreen, you don't have the sheer level of third party applications, you don't have the customization. The WM Smartphone OS is meant to enhance cell phones to give them some PDA and multimedia functionality. Push e-mail or not, there isn't a single Smartphone out there (Moto Q included) that someone can use to completely replace a stand alone PDA. The Treo can do this, and so can PPC PDA phones. The Smartphone has its niche but it's not a direct competitor with Palm and for Motorola to try and position one as such is foolish, in my opinion. It'll probably sell because the RAZR did. The RAZR isn't anything special in terms of functionality, but people thought it looked cool and it appealed to the form over function market. Those same people will like the Q but a Treo killer, it is not.

Posted by: cmc0

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Originally Posted by LetsGoFlyers

Your right, the Q as in the RAZR is nothing special. I mean, it's only class 6 EDGE and it has no touchscreen. In multimedia, the treo has it beat. But I'm sure you also know, the Treo is extremely poor in the e-mail dept, even with VersaMail or Snappermail (which isn't even included in the box). You need a third party app like Goodlink or Exchange to enhance the treo. But like I said, Motorola will still try to push the Q towards the Blackberry's and the Treo's because they know they have a device that appleals with it's style, even though it's featureless.

But maybe you are thinking of something like this to be a Treo killer:

Touchscreen and all, but I frankly don't like Pocket PC's so I won't touch that one.

Posted by: LetsGoFlyers

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Originally Posted by cmc0

But maybe you are thinking of something like this to be a Treo killer:

The MPX was supposed to be the Treo killer, and the BenQ P50, PDA2K, HP6515, Nokia Communicator series, Samsung i730, etc, and yet the for the last couple years the Treo has stayed on top. The Treo 650 is far from perfect but the cold hard truth is that no other convergence device in the world can combine a cell phone and fully functional PDA, making the right compromises, and come out with the best of both worlds. I've said it before and I'm sure I'll say it again, there are better phones than the Treo, and there are better PDA's than the Treo. But there is no better single device that does both.

Posted by: cmc0

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Originally Posted by LetsGoFlyers

there are better phones than the Treo, and there are better PDA's than the Treo. But there is no better single device that does both.

If your looking at a better phone and a better PDA than the Treo, even the orignal Mobitex Blackberry's have it beat. Blackberrys come with secure e-mail out of the box, wireless sync out of the box (edit: Verizon includes their own software on their branded Treo's for wireless sync), automatic scheduling out of the box and run a more stable OS out of the box.

I'm sure that's why the Blackberry outsells the Treo, but for me (and you probally), RIM repeately neglets to overlook multimedia features in their devices (disabling Bluetooth profiles, opting out of video, audio,3d features etc) but if those features actually were required by most people, Palm would have 78% of the mobile e-mail market then. That is why I think the Motorola Q will make an impact, not because of what it does or doesn't have, but what market Motorola can target. That's why I asked whether it supports BES syncing.

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Posted by: keithshoe

Thanks for the replies...

I decided on the Treo, but have been trying to get the best deal on a new one from Sprint.

Being an existing customer makes it hard to get a good price. When I called them I told them I could get one for 200 bucks by changing companies, there price is 450 after my 150 rebate.

Hate to buy this month and next month they are dumping the 650's when the new model rolls out. I know with any electronics device this will always happen, but I keep it 3 years like my present phone I would like to get the latest and greatest when I upgrade.

Any thoughts on the best vendor to purchase a new Treo from from a loyal SprintPCS guy??