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CONFIRMED: Windows Mobile + Treo (Video Inside)
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Posted by: racarusotheoreo

Alright, Treo'ers...
Behold the magic of the LEGIT Windows Mobile Treo "670" (for lack of a better name). This is not mine, BTW. This is to reduce the "Slashdot effect" that is soon to follow.

Props to "roc a fella" over in the Verizon forum...

ORIGINAL THREAD: http://howardforums.com/showthread....01&page=1&pp=15

VIDEO: http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=0804051316

This is beyond awesome...

And the official thunder-stealer-of-the-year award goes to:
VERIZON WIRELESS!

Posted by: Omega2008

Quote:

Originally Posted by racarusotheoreo

Alright, Treo'ers...
Behold the magic of the LEGIT Windows Mobile Treo "670" (for lack of a better name).

Props to "roc a fella" over in the Verizon forum...

ORIGINAL THREAD: http://howardforums.com/showthread....01&page=1&pp=15

VIDEO: http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=0804051316

This is beyond awesome...

And the official thunder-stealer-of-the-year award goes to:
VERIZON WIRELESS!

If this thing is for real, then the hell with the Moto Q and Cingular lol

Posted by: PINHEAD

Ok, now I have to chooose between this and the upcoming HTC Wizard...Great. If this works as well as my past Treos have, and has web browsing as good as any PPC phone should, I'm on board. Very, Very, Very good news!

I would like to see a better pic though...just in case this is another attempt at a mean hoax!

Posted by: racarusotheoreo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega2008

If this thing is for real, then the hell with the Moto Q and Cingular lol

That's what I said...I love the l33t corporate monster that is Cingular and honors my $99 unlimited AT&T Charter plan

...
BUT
I'm not gonna switch over a phone. But still - simply amazing. Now, if they could only:
remove the SD card slot, the camera and added BlackBerry Connect [link] - this would seriously rock out with it's 1/2-inch antenna **** out.

I only say that because of work enviroment. But bring on the multimedia decadent WinMobile Treo's, baby!

Posted by: racarusotheoreo

Quote:

Originally Posted by pinhead

I would like to see a better pic though

See the original thread , also linked to up top. It resides in the Verizon forum.

Posted by: Mac B

When is the release date for the treo 670....i was abt to buy the 650 might as well wait to get the treo 670....any idea when will it be out in gsm?

Posted by: racarusotheoreo

Dude.
I would NOT buy the Treo 650 - basically, if you don't have it already, nah. Don't do it...
Coming up this year (and 2006):

new Blackberries
the iPaq running WinMobile w/ BB Connect
numerous flavors of new Treo's with different OS's
possibly a Linux smartphone or two
Motorola Q
and whatever Moto pulls out of their rectum

Posted by: cng.

I hate waiting. Forget it. Get one this year, upgrade the next!

Posted by: tonydrone

this is the death of the TREO in my eyes.

Posted by: peaches

I'm going to barf. If this is acurate, and not someone just having the knowledge to **** with hardware/software that much, it WILL be the death of the Treo. One of the beauties of the Treo is the PalmOS. If this is true, I'm hoping that they make both windows and PalmOS versions. I just found my undying love for Treos, I'm not ready for it to end.

Posted by: peaches

Well, after watching it again, I noticed the keys are differently shaped.

I'm gonna go cry now.

Posted by: Bcollins521

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 95; PalmSource; Blazer 3.0) 16;160x160)

Doesn't this kinda defeat the purpose of a Treo? The Treo's have always been a Palm OS phone. If you take the Palm OS away from the Treo then it wouldn't be a Treo.

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm sure Palm has the rights to the name "Treo" and if it was running Windows Mobile then it wouldn't be a Treo.

Just thought I would join in.
Brian

Posted by: beeenieweeenie

I also love the Palm OS. It just wouldn't be a Treo with Windows.

Posted by: MilanoRex

The PalmOS is horrible, that was the only thing keeping me away from the treo 650's.. I hope this is real, I'd be all over it!

Posted by: Philharmonic

Some more pics

From Engadget

Posted by: JwY

Quote:

Originally Posted by peaches

I'm going to barf. If this is acurate, and not someone just having the knowledge to **** with hardware/software that much, it WILL be the death of the Treo. One of the beauties of the Treo is the PalmOS. If this is true, I'm hoping that they make both windows and PalmOS versions. I just found my undying love for Treos, I'm not ready for it to end.

i think they'll still make both at least for a while. they probably want some time to develop the palm-linux os.

i wonder what the resolution is on the 670 though.

Posted by: Prom1

Well we all know this is a product made by HTC just like the current & last (600/650) Palm Treo's.

Apparently, from what I read when this rumor was first hashed months ago, that this design was originally intended for the current Treo 650. If that is true, and if it did happen, hardware with the current Palm OS, 5.4, then I would've never discovered the Series60.

Palm OS has been way to many bend-overs and other management & OS design R&D mistakes (3 different CEO's in less than 6 years + OS 6 Cobalt Never came to a licensee agreeement to end device its now dead).

This design is much better, but more importantly, Windows Mobile will now have a device that'll really sell beyond just Verizon, if Telus, Bell, and Sprint get their hands on the device.

Posted by: cng.

These pictures were actually rumored like ages ago but these are in much better quality than the ones before.

Posted by: LittleTechGirl

Oh goodness, that is awesome!!! I would be all over it.

I have been a Palm user for years, and then I got a Pocket PC and a Audiovox SMT 5600. Now my new job just bought me a Treo. I have only had it for a week, but already I am missing some of the plus' of the Windows Mobile system. And the Treo has other shortcomings that should be automatic that I have gotten used to such as Voice Dialing and Headset Dialing over bluetooth. No way we should need third party software to do something so simple.

Also Versamail seems buggy and is missing some of the sycning functions (exchange wise) that my 5600 have.

Anyway, I used to say that my dream phone was a 5600 with the body of a Treo or Nokia 6820. Well here it comes

Posted by: Naveen

Quote:

Originally Posted by JwY

i think they'll still make both at least for a while. they probably want some time to develop the palm-linux os.

i wonder what the resolution is on the 670 though.

i hope the treo family offers both a palm and a windows version of the 650/670. it will only make palm make a better future os. the design of the treo is awesome. the palm os is what many love also, but it is showing its age and lack of a competitive edge. just like apple and windows a while ago, hopefully palm comes out with a better os with the impending threat from microsoft

Posted by: cng.

As seen in the pictures, this may be the real deal as there are the recently added buttons for WM 5.0. The Windows logo button and the "okay" button are designed for one hand navigations.

Posted by: medenblik

I wonder when they will release a GSM version.

As of now I am very happy with my Treo 650 GSM

Posted by: ajg

Hmmm... would I ever trust Windows to my phone?

No.

Posted by: eimajuno

I want one already, And I just bought my Treo 650 this past monday.

Posted by: Crimson66

Well I guess Palm wont release it for a while for Verizon exclusively. If history repeats itself, doesn't that mean that this Treo 670 would only be out in Jan-Feb of 2006?

What about those Dell rumors? If Palm did have this T670, then I would also see Dell selling it.

Posted by: Crimson66

I just read something off another site that makes sense about this fake or true Treo 670. If it was indeed ready to ship in the near future, it would've been already approved by the FCC and there would be information about it. According to the person posting, the last information approved was the Tre 650. Either the 670 is far from shipping or its definitely a fake.

http://davesipaq.com/news/treo_conflict_ipaq.html

No FCC - Look at the last pic
http://davesipaq.com/news/daves_treo_wm5.html

Posted by: chompx2

Treo 650 is my first Palm OS device. I moved from Windows OS PDA to Treo due to the form factor of the Treo 650. If given a choice, I might not get the Palm OS since I am familiar with Windows OS device. Getting a Palm OS device was a tough call as I have to pay for all the apps that I like again. However, after a few months using my Treo 650, I am sold. I like that I can use the Treo single hand without using the stylus and have a choice of using it on the touch screen if I choose to. There are so many apps written for the Palm, I am having a great time trying them out. I am glad that I make this choice.
I looked at the so called new Windows OS Treo 670 and make the following observation. I am not sure if this device is ready.
Windows OS does not support 320x320 resolutions and the Treo 650 has a 320x320 screen. So the display screen will probably be changed. Look closely at the pictures; the display does not go all the way to the edge of the screen. There are wider black borders. This seems to a waste of the screen. If the OS is displaying 240x240 on a 320x320 screen, this would not be good.
I also detected that the pictured Treo 670 appears to be slightly bigger than the Treo 650. Notice the location of the LED in relation to the base of the Antenna. On the other hand, may be I am just seeing things.
A bigger Treo might be appealing to some. I guess that will increase the market share. Using Windows OS will probably increase sales too. Just hope Palm will continue making Treo with Palm OS. I don’t want to spend money buying Windows OS apps after just spending to get my apps on Palm OS.

Posted by: ajg

Quote:

Originally Posted by racarusotheoreo

Dude.
I would NOT buy the Treo 650 - basically, if you don't have it already, nah. Don't do it...
Coming up this year (and 2006):

new Blackberries
the iPaq running WinMobile w/ BB Connect
numerous flavors of new Treo's with different OS's
possibly a Linux smartphone or two
Motorola Q
and whatever Moto pulls out of their rectum

Oh?! New Blackberries? What's the scoop on that?

Posted by: racarusotheoreo

Quote:

Originally Posted by ajg

Oh?! New Blackberries? What's the scoop on that?

At least for Nextel. Something about a 8000...but it's an unconfirmed rumor. So don't get too excited; but I want a 7290 with a satellite connection

Posted by: Chen_Kenichi

I just read Chinatimes' article on HTC making Palm's first Windows OS based Treo's... For those who can read Chinese, please see HERE.

Basically it says that the PDA phone will be out 1st quarter next year... The article does not go into detail as to the specification though...

As I have been recently eyeing the Treo 650 - this is causing me to stop and wait until next year to make a decision...

Posted by: tartis

The whole reason I have the Treo 650 is to get away from poor Microsoft software. The new MS OS had better be killer.

Posted by: CrazyAzn23

Does anyone know if cingular is gonna be carrying this phone?

Posted by: Radiationman

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrazyAzn23

Does anyone know if cingular is gonna be carrying this phone?

Since nobody has seen evidence that this phone is FCC approved yet, I doubt you'll get an accurate response to that question for a few months...

Personally, I wouldn't touch this phone with a 10 foot pole, at least not until it's been out for a few months.

Palm has ZERO experience building and designing WM based devices. I think it will take at least a few months after release before this device is anywhere near as reliable as the Treo 600 is supposed to be... and that's if it ever happens.

Heck, HP discovered the hard way that just because you CAN build decent WM based devices doesn't mean you can build a WM Phone Edition device that doesn't suck...

Posted by: importluva

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radiationman

It seems like palm has enough trouble working on an OS that it has used since the beginning of its existence.

Posted by: Radiationman

Quote:

Originally Posted by importluva

It seems like palm has enough trouble working on an OS that it has used since the beginning of its existence.

Which is why I'm not drooling over the possibility that this device is real or may ever make it to market...

Posted by: wshwe

Palm will benefit by breaking free from complete dependence on POS. I believe Palm can design a better Windows Mobile device than Dell, HP and Motorola. Dell has no experience working with mobile carriers.

Posted by: AaronT

Palm may be designing the device, but it's actually being made by HTC. HTC have by far and away the best track record when it comes to making Windows smartphones. They don't always have the best looks or the best build quality, but at least they're largely free of bugs.

Posted by: MilanoRex

Check out this article.. http://news.com.com/Making+the+case...l?tag=nefd.lede

Confirmed?

Posted by: sphone-jeffy

There are some of us who this will be good for.. I just ended up selling a Treo 650 that I had since the OS was so underpowered IMO... I'm currently back with a Windows Smartphone, but I may even defect to a S60 device...

What would be nice is if they let you choose which OS on first phone boot...

Posted by: NxJ

Well, i know everyone is saying that they will wate till '06. But that would mean the 650's prices will drop. I have really been looking at them and i guess it would be worth the wate.

Posted by: Wireless

Here is a News Letter I just received from Fierce Wireless. If some items are duplicated, I apologize.

Windows Mobile Treo buzz builds
Aug. 11, 2005

Rumors of an upcoming Palm Treo running Windows Mobile continue to surface. The latest tidbit comes from DigiTimes of Taiwan, which reports that Palm will likely outsource production of its next-generation Windows Mobile Treo, to HTC, with production commencing early in 2006.

DigiTimes cites the Chinese-language Commercial Times in reporting that volume shipments of the new device are expected to begin in the first quarter of next year. However, HTC declined to comment on the report, according to DigiTimes, citing client confidentiality restrictions.

Word has circulated for months of a Treo smartphone running Windows Mobile 5.0, tentatively dubbed the "Treo 670." Videos recently posted on the Internet appear to show a Treo-like device running Windows Mobile.

Meanwhile, Syware has just added fuel to the fire with its announcement that it plans to set up a help-desk specifically for Palm OS users considering the transition to a future Windows Mobile Treo. The company says its Visual CE mobile database and application development package and its integrated products for wireless synchronization and remote printing will allow Palm OS users to make the transition without needing to hire new programmers or learn to use Visual Basic. The help desk will go into action as soon as Palm "officially releases" a Treo running Windows Mobile, Syware said.

Read the DigiTimes story here.

SOURCE
www.windowsfordevices.com

Posted by: Naveen

Quote:

Originally Posted by Radiationman

hp had their asses handed to them with their last device. i know i will get a beating for this but the pda/phone market is a fickle market-just look at the mpx. if a windows treo comes out, palm better make it good or we will be using palm software that sucks for a long time.

Posted by: Radiationman

Quote:

Originally Posted by AaronT

Palm may be designing the device, but it's actually being made by HTC. HTC have by far and away the best track record when it comes to making Windows smartphones. They don't always have the best looks or the best build quality, but at least they're largely free of bugs.

But if Palm designs an underpowered device or incorporates items or hardware that makes this a subpar device, it's not HTC's fault. They're just building the crap Palm gives them...

Honestly I don't think HTC's involvement isn't really much of an issue here. If this was an HTC designed device that other manufacturers were rebranding for their own purposes I think it would be a different story...

Posted by: Radiationman

Quote:

Originally Posted by Naveen

if a windows treo comes out, palm better make it good or we will be using palm software that sucks for a long time.

Not quite sure I understand what you're saying...

I think if Palm blows it with Windows Treo ver1 they would probably survive to try a ver2. If they blow it with ver2 I think Palm would disappear unless they can either come up with a decent Linux based device or a version of the PalmOS that's on par with whatever version of Windows Mobile is on the market 2 years from now....

Either way, I think the move to WM will be a do or die situation for Palm...

Posted by: dona83

Quote:

Originally Posted by sphone-jeffy

There are some of us who this will be good for.. I just ended up selling a Treo 650 that I had since the OS was so underpowered IMO... I'm currently back with a Windows Smartphone, but I may even defect to a S60 device...

What would be nice is if they let you choose which OS on first phone boot...

In my opinion Windows Mobile is too overpowered for mobile devices. PalmOS has always been about simplicity and getting the information you need very quickly and that's why PalmOS is the solid choice IMO. However I still think it's nice that Palm is releasing a Windows Mobile Treo because in the end when consumers are able to have a choice, they're the ultimate winners. So if Windows floats your boat, then so be it.

What Palm does need to do now is to make some lower cost smartphones to compete against the Nokia Series 60 phones.

Posted by: KJRcrew

personally i would rock the 670..i just like the PPC OS...plus i liked the intergration with my computer that i experienced with my iPAQ...hopefully they can make a good thing better and give us a stabe robust OS that has few bugs when intergrating the phone...

Posted by: Paul-the-Phone

Business Week confirms Windows Mobile 5 in the next Treo next year.
http://businessweek.com/technology/..._6583_tc081.htm

Posted by: xynos

It'll be nice to have an OS that supports multitasking. Palm OS is a patchwork at best. Wonder how the screen is going to be when the WM version comes out..