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PhoneLabs Dock-N-Talk ...anyone tried it?

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Posted by: rlsimon

Seems it distributes your cell fone service around the house via existing fone lines...can use with or without landline ...has add on BT dongle so you can just put your fone down near it or in a "sweet" spot. Any observations?


Posted by: banditcat

I've been using this for about a week. No landline, just Razr V3 via bluetooth on Cingular. I have it connected to a 5.8GH Panasonic multi-handset cordless phone/answerer.

So far, so good. When you answer a call there is a short delay before you're connected to the person on the other end, but you get used to that. The call quality is quite good - I get fewer "hiccups" than when I talk on the cell itself, probably because the phone isn't being moved around.

I have it set up so the answerer will pick up before voicemail. Once a call came in and for some reason the dock 'n talk didn't route the call and it ended up in voice mail. I think the bluetooth connection may have gone hinky for a few minutes, but the phone/dock reconnect on their own if this happens. I had the cell phone set to silent mode, but after this I changed it to ring, which it does in between the rings on the phone system.

All in all I'm pretty impressed so far. The DNT will pay for itself after just 2 months without a landline.


Posted by: rlsimon

thanks for the info, here's a way to change the voicemail no answer delay that may help you!! I got it elsewhere.

The following works only for GSM, not AMPS, TDMA (D-AMPS, IS-136), CDMA, or iDEN.

Standard GSM codes:

Divert Voice Calls, No Answer
Delay nn seconds:
max 30 seconds, in 5 second increments
Set: **61*destination*11*nn#[SEND]
Cancel: ##61*11#[SEND]
Query: *#61*11#[SEND]

May not work on all networks, but does work on Cingular.
The "destination" is the voice mailbox number, not your mobile number!
Do a Query first to get the correct destination number.


Posted by: stealth

I just got one myself. Ordered it monday, received it tuesday. Was very impressed with how fast it came, then I saw the shipping fees! :O no wonder it came so fast. Apart from that, I hooked it up last night, and got it working with my house lines. I don't have a landline service and have not had one for a year. I plugged it in to my wall jack and plugged in my phones and it worked like a charm. Sound quality is very good...not much different than using a bluetooth headset. I have a v551 connected with the bluetooth adapter. I will give another review of it after I try it for a bit.

Stealth


Posted by: rlsimon

I wonder if I get a Sony/Ericsson or Sierra BT cell card for my laptop if that would work since that would have EDGE and give me better internet throughput...I have dial-up now so how much worse could it be?? Anyone know if you can get the BT dongle and set it up for both cell fones so whichever one comes home starts to work with it when you arrive?


Posted by: rlsimon

...or if you have a BT fone and another non BT fone, could you interchange using a cable and BT?


Posted by: stealth

If you are trying to get a dial up connection over a phone line I don't think it will work. Although I am intrigued, I believe the network does not let it go through....Even if you could get a dial up, you wouldn't be getting edge because it won't be going through the data network.

as for my dock and talk, after a couple of day, I am still really impressed by it. The sound quality is great. I can hardly tell the difference between using my phone normally and using the dock and talk. The delay when you answer does take some getting used to, but its fine after a while. dialing out also works great, even getting a dial tone. yes, a dial tone on a cell phone! it works fine.

all in all I am very impressed with it....the next major test is waiting for my wife to try it out when she gets back from vacation!

Stealth


Posted by: WaltA

I have a Dock-N-Talk for some time now. I am pretty satisfied with it.

I also have a Uniden two line, multi-headset, 5.8GHz digital, cordless phone. Line one is my landline and line two is my Dock-N-Talk. This allows me to call or answer from any home headset, either my landline or my cell phone.

My cell phone is Bluetooth, and originally I used the Dock-N-Talk's optional Bluetooth adapter to connect my cell phone to the Dock-N-Talk whenever I was home. However, I quickly learned I still had to plug my cell phone into its charger. So, since the Dock-N-Talk's wired cable also re-charges the cell phone, I switched to using the direct wired cable as my connection between the Dock-N-Talk and my cell phone.

Just to make it easier to use, I have the Dock-N-Talk wired cable actually connected up to my cell phone's desktop stand. This way, I just have to drop my cell phone into the stand when I come home, and grap it out of the stand when leaving.

The only "fault" with the Dock-N-Talk, is that you need to send it back in for firmware updates. It would have been a much better design if they had some way to do firmware updates from home (USB cable from your PC??).


Posted by: French

I'm interested in this product, but we have 3 cell phone users in the house. So if anyone can help me with this question, I would greatly appreciate it.

If I buy 2 of these Dock-N-Talk systems, is there a way to have one system ring only to the upstairs phones, and the other system ring to the basement phone? Skid gets terrible reception in the basement with his cell phone so I'm thinking if he can dock his cell phone in the DNT up in his bedroom, and it would ring on his cordless down in the basement, that would solve his problems. However, I don't want his cell phone ringing all the other phones in the house. I would like to set it up so either mine or DH's rings throughout the rest of the house.

Anyone familiar that might be able to help me?


Posted by: WaltA

Well, the simple answer is that you would need to connect up one of the DNT to just the upstairs phones, and one of the DNT to just the basement phone. Such wiring is really all separate from the DNT itself. And, of course, only you know if you already have unused wiring available to use in the walls, or if you need to add new wiring to do this.

If such wiring isn't available, one possible alternative is to use something like the 2-line multi-headset cordless phone I have from Uniden. Wire one DNT to line 1, and the second DNT to line 2. Now, you can answer either cell phone/DNT with any cordless headset, but the headsets allow you to pick ringtones separately for each line, including silence. So, you can have any/all upstairs headsets to ring on line 1, and be silent on line 2, and the basement headset to ring on line 2, and be silent on line 1.


Posted by: French

WaltA...Thank you very much. I also e-mailed them directly and they said I could plug the DNT directly into a cordless phone system and then get an add-on unit for that particular system that I would place in the basement for my step son, and then use another DNT that I could use the existing wiring throughout the rest of the house (thought I think you solution sounds pretty much the same).

Thanks.


Posted by: French

I just had another thought. I had intended to get rid of the landline completely, but now I'm almost thinking I should port it over to Verizon Wireless (our cellular provider). Yes, I'll be paying for an extra line that remains stationary in the house...but I'm thinking that would mean virtually all our calls to each other would be In, meaning we would use less minutes. And I would have calling features that I don't currently have for only $10. I don't have call waiting on that phone because I refuse to pay one more penny. I still can't believe I pay between $35 and $40 just for caller ID and telemarketing block.

If I did decide to port the landline over, would I have to pay an ETF if I decide in a month from now that we really don't need it? I already have 3 lines so I would be adding a 4th to my account. Could I port it over for 15 days and cancel it prior to the 15 days without an ETF?


Posted by: French

To get this thread back on topic (as it seems I took it OFF topic with my last post), I wanted to follow up.

I purchased a Dock-N-Talk and am pleased with it. I also purchased a Panasonic 5.8 Ghz phone with additional handset. Currently my stepkid (Skid) is using the set up. In his room he has the DNT and the Panasonic base unit is plugged directly into the DNT. The additional handset is in the basement. His call quality is good. We did several "tests" and I have to say I'm pretty impressed. Is it perfect? No. Is it acceptable? Absolutely. Some calls did connect with better clarity than others, but all were perfectly acceptable and a few I wouldn't have even known were cell calls. In fact, the only not perfect connections I had were the ones where I used my cell phone to call his. Since I was on the main floor my reception wasn't as good as his.

I have another DNT on order that I'll use for my cell phone. One thing that wasn't clear in the posts is that if you want to use your wired lines in the house to plug your extra handsets into (for people who do not have land line service), you do need to disconnect the wire at the house before it will work. In some cases it might just be easier to buy a cordless phone system that has expansion handsets.

I also found a nifty little device from Radio Shack. It's a wireless phone universal antenna (not sure I can post the url so if you go to Radio Shack and do a search for the product as I wrote it here you should find it). I only get about 2 maybe 3 bars on the main level of the house, but with this plugged in I pull a solid 4and in some cases 5. So for me this makes a huge difference in my reception.

So I've done all this, yet I'm finding it very difficult to pull the plug on the landline. I can't figure out why I'm struggling with it. 3 of us in the household, 3 of us have cell phones, 2 of us hooked up with DNTs to make life easier. So why the hesitation on pulling the plug?

Anyway, the DNT is great and I definitely think it's a worthwhile device, ESPECIALLY if you have pulled the plug on your landline. But even if you haven't, if you use your cell phone a lot this device will make talking at home much more comfortable and you won't run into the problem of having to run down two flights of stairs to find your cell phone.


Posted by: rlsimon

if you have 2 line wired fones, you can use one line for DNT and one line for wired ...I suppose, if you have 2 DNTs you could use the 2 lines of the wired fones for the 2 DNTs...


Posted by: rlsimon

You refer to the "wireless phone universal antenna" http://www.radioshack.com/product.a...uct%5Fid=17-345 ...so, I take it you have either (Motorola V120/T193/120T), or (Samsung N200/N300/N400/A400), or (Motorola T720) and or (Nokia® 5100/6100/7100) then? Is that thing plugged in or does it get power from the fone?


Posted by: French

Quote:
Originally Posted by rlsimon
You refer to the "wireless phone universal antenna" http://www.radioshack.com/product.a...uct%5Fid=17-345 ...so, I take it you have either (Motorola V120/T193/120T), or (Samsung N200/N300/N400/A400), or (Motorola T720) and or (Nokia® 5100/6100/7100) then? Is that thing plugged in or does it get power from the fone?


It is plugged in to the wall, and yes, I do have a Motorola T720. It really does work well. You have to buy the antenna and then seperately you have to buy the correct cable. The box says the antenna works with almost any phone, so I'm wondering if the compatibility of the cables may be more than what it states.


Posted by: johnbuk

Just thought I'd throw in my 2 cents about the Dock N Talk.

Dumped my landline 2 weeks ago. My cell phone service is through U.S. Celllular and I have a Motorola v265 phone.

I have not had any problems with my cell phone reception in my home, but I purchased the Dock N Talk because my wife didn't like having to carry her cell phone around with her throughout the house and missed a couple of calls when she left her cell phone in her purse in the kitchen and didn't hear it ring because she was in another part of the house.

Prior to getting the Dock N Talk I had purchased the RCA Cell Docking system which supposedly was compatible with my cell phone, but after 2 days and several hours of talking to RCA's tech support, I couldn't get the RCA system to recognize my cell phone and returned it.

My Dock N Talk arrived yesterday. It took 2 minutes to set up. I connected to my Motorolla V265 using the included cable. It took about 30 seconds for the green light on the Dock N Talk to stop flashing and recognize the phone.

If you didn't know that my phones were connected via a Dock N Talk, I don't think that you would realize that my GE cordless phones weren't connected to a landline. There is a slight delay of about 3 seconds when placing or receiving a call, but the quality of the audio is perfect- I've experienced none of the static that others have reported using Dock N Talk.


Posted by: her34

with bluetooth module, can you use the DNT with any bluetooth phone? will you be able to use future bluetooth phones without updating the DNT?


Posted by: French

Quote:
Originally Posted by her34
with bluetooth module, can you use the DNT with any bluetooth phone? will you be able to use future bluetooth phones without updating the DNT?


You might want to contact phone labs directly with these questions. They were very responsive with mine. I actually purchased through Cell Americas (www.cellamericas.com) and was very pleased with how quickly they shipped it out. And they were slightly less expensive. Oh, and shipping was free.

Having said that, the first DNT I purchased continues to work well with my step son's cell phone. However, I just purchased a second DNT and I'm having some trouble with it. When I plug in my cell phone the cordless phone starts ringing for no reason. If I turn it off (to stop it ringing), the extra handset then starts ringing. Very annoying. And even odder, when I UNPLUG my cell phone the 2 handsets start ringing (first one, and then when I turn it off the other starts). I'm using Uniden cordless phones for the 2nd DNT (the Panasonics are working flawlessy with the first DNT).

I haven't spent much time trying to resolve it. Hopefully I can take a closer look at it tonight. It could be that maybe the Uniden's just won't play nice with the DNT. I'm able to make outgoing calls...it's just the unexplained ringing driving me nuts.


Posted by: WaltA

Quote:
Originally Posted by French
It could be that maybe the Uniden's just won't play nice with the DNT.


I have my DNT connected up to my Uniden digital 5.8GHz, model TRU8866, cordless phone without any such problems. Not that this necessarily helps you, other than to point out it might not be a general Uniden problem.


Posted by: French

Quote:
Originally Posted by WaltA
I have my DNT connected up to my Uniden digital 5.8GHz, model TRU8866, cordless phone without any such problems. Not that this necessarily helps you, other than to point out it might not be a general Uniden problem.


Thank you. This is helpful to know.


Posted by: rlsimon

anyone using dnt with cell with a signal booster?


Posted by: French

Quote:
Originally Posted by rlsimon
anyone using dnt with cell with a signal booster?


Yes. I'm using the Radio Shack Antenna and it is working fine. The Radio Shack antenna gives me a solid 2 extra bars of reception and it was just what I needed to have better call quality.


Posted by: rlsimon

any way to use the RS antenna with the Moto RazrV3 ???


Posted by: French

Quote:
Originally Posted by rlsimon
any way to use the RS antenna with the Moto RazrV3 ???


Does the Moto RazrV3 have a place to plug the antenna into? It would be covered, and it would be on or very, very close to the antenna. I'm thinking maybe not, though, because in the description for the antenna it describes the different phones the different cables work with, and I don't see the Razr listed.
http://www.radioshack.com/product.a...t%5Fid=17%2D345


Posted by: WaltA

Is there a desktop stand for the V3, that supports (easily) an external antenna? Most desktop stands also support a data cable like the one used by the DNT.

While I don't need an external antenna, I do use a desktop stand with mine since it is so much easier to just drop the phone into it, than to manually try to plug the data cable into the bottom of the phone each time I come home.


Posted by: jeffd

Question, what about outgoing caller ID? Does the cell's number get transmitted? I read in the past that "dock N talk" gets displayed. Has that been fixed?


Posted by: CurtisPulley

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffd
Question, what about outgoing caller ID? Does the cell's number get transmitted? I read in the past that "dock N talk" gets displayed. Has that been fixed?


I was going to ask this same question. It seems like this would be perfect for me along with the VoIP in my house, but I want to make sure caller iD works properly.


Posted by: banditcat

Re: Caller ID -

Since the cell phone doesn't have the same ability to display caller ID as a landline (only tel #'s if available, and names only when they're in the cell phone book) the DNT displays "Dock N Talk" on your attached caller ID-enabled landline phone when the number isn't in the cell's phone book. Outgoing caller ID isn't affected.


Posted by: kudzu53

Anyone used the DNT with the Bluetooth option? I'm upgrading to the Moto 815, seems they only offfer the BT option for DNT at this time. Any experience, comments appreciated. M


Posted by: WaltA

I did initially used the BT module, but then switched over to a cable. My reasons were...

1) I had hoped that the BT would reach about 20' to my car in the garage. This way, I could just leave my cell phone in the car and it would "attach" to the DNT automatically whenever I came home. It didn't reach anywhere near that far.

2) My phone had some limitations using BT that it didn't have using a direct connection. That is a phone problem not a DNT problem.

3) I still had to plug the phone in to recharge. The reality became that since I had to plug the phone in anyway, I might has well plug in the DNT cable (which also recharges the phone). I did get a desktop stand which allows any data cable, including the DNT cable, to plug into it. This way, I just drop my cell phone into the deskstand whenever walk in.


Posted by: dmmyrick

It seems that Phone Labs has had a rush on their product and cannot supply the bluetooth module until the end of October or early November.

I have a Mot V551 I want to try it out on. Am hoping the BT passes enough functionality on to keep me from resorting to the cable.

Anyone been able to find a matrix of features supported by each phone?

I WANT MY DNT WITH the BTM


Posted by: flatbroke

Curious how you RAZR/DNT users deal with the battery drain imposed by the BT radio. With BT always on... I'm hard-pressed to get a full day of standby on my v3. I realize the need to keep the phone charging while docked but constantly having to turn BT on/off to conserve juice while away seems no small inconvenience.

Does the temporary BT power on feature work with the DNT? IOW, does the DNT w/BTM poll the phone often enough to keep the radio on while they're next to each other?

thx


Posted by: rlsimon

look around for a 1700 or 1900 mAh battery ...sold under Maxx brand ...I got the former and it lasts about double the 710 OEM model ...try eBay for it also!!


Posted by: flatbroke

Thanks for the tip. Picked one up off ebay!

I would still like to know if DNT users run BT 24/7, though.


Posted by: ecereb

I purchased the Dock N Talk about 2 months ago for my Verizon Motorola V276. I use it with a Panasonic Easa Phone KX-T616 telephone system. It works great.

Three minor problems:
1. The cord has two plugs; one for the data and one for the audio. This is due to the phone having the audio piped only through the external headphone jack and not through the data connector. This is OK. I just have to be sure to push the little head phone plug in all the way.
2. When first plugged in, the phone fails to establish a connection with the Dock N Talk. I have to first turn the phone off, plug in the phone and then turn the phone back on. Then it connects.
3. Once in a while, the cell phone does not ring through to the system. I can hear the cell phone ringing, but when I try to connect to it to answer, I get a tone indicating the Dock N Talk lost its connection with the cell phone. I can also go and see that the green light is flashing indicating a loss of connection. After a wile, the phone reconnects.

These things might have something to do with the screwy programming that Verizon has done in the cell phone. Verizon has done a lot of changes including restrict certain functions such as the use of Mobile PhoneTools to transfer pictures and sounds. They want their subscribers to use Verizon’s Get It Now paid services.

But, other than these minor issues, this device is very handy for keeping the cell phone charged and in someplace I can find it. It works well with the Panasonic phone system. It looks to the phone system as another incoming Phone (CO) line.


Posted by: WaltA

Thanks for the info!

I am quite surprised on the oddities you mentioned about the v276. I had always thought that Motorola was the best in terms of consistent support for their data-port connection at the bottom of most of their phones (only exception the v3c ?). That includes both signals present (like audio), and how it worked. I guess not.


Posted by: jeffd

I don't think it's the phone but the DNT. I just tried the RCA 23200RE3 with cell dock (what junk that was) and it only used the data connector to pass audio and commands on my Motorolla V330.

I have had my DNT for about a month and have not had any of the problems stated above. When I place the v330 in the dock it connects everytime and always answers when I answer the phone. I use it with a Uniden 8666 2 line phone, one line VOIP and the other the cell.


Posted by: dmmyrick

Got CellAmericas to send me my DNT with the cable since the BTM was out for rev 2 production. Here it is TWO(2) months later and still no BTM available. CellAmericas sent a nice apologetic email, but no product -


Posted by: dav72

I'm liking everything that I'm reading on this Dock-n-Talk thread. However, I'm wondering if anyone has success connecting a fax machine or a satellite dish to the DnT. I soooo want to go 100% wireless; but I'll hold off if these two devices will not work... oh well. Thanks.


Posted by: ecereb

I talked to Motorola and they say that I shouldn't be having any problems with the DNT. BUT, they also said that Verizon has their software in the phone and…for me to call Verizon. Of course, Verizon hates anything connected to their phone they don’t sell or provide. This is one of the reasons why there was a lawsuit against Verizon for disabling certain features in Motorola phones.

See: http://forums.mobiledia.com/topic37069.html


Posted by: DocB2

After reading about the DNT in the WSJ 2 weeks ago I bought one (after some research) and it works fine. As my wife is a realtor and we have 2 lines at home so I am using her new Samsung a950. Here is how I did this:
1) I got my wife the new phone so she can use the BT in the car. I did this because there was no cable connection to the DNT for her old Samsung phone.
2) I had Verizon disconnect line 2 which was an "overflow" line for our line 1.
3) I also had Verizon do a Call Forwarding/Busy to her cell phone number. (In the PA market this has to be done centrally and can be ordered online but not completed online. It was ordered on the weekend and completed Tuesday.)
4) I hooked the DNT w/ BT module to line 2 in our house. This way, when she is home, her cell calls can be answered on the home phone line 2 and if she is on the one land line we have it will go to her cell phone and ring on line 2. The only way you know that there is the DNT involved is that the caller ID on line 2 shows the caller's phone number with the name "Dock-N-Talk".
So far it works great and, with the cost savings on the second line, will pay for itself in 3 months.

If there are any issues I'll post. I'm happy to answer questions about this.


Posted by: WaltA

Quote:
Originally Posted by DocB2
3) I also had Verizon do a Call Forwarding/Busy to her cell phone number. (In the PA market this has to be done centrally and can be ordered online but not completed online. It was ordered on the weekend and completed Tuesday.)


DocB2, sounds like you have an almost identical setup to me.

Just to point out, that Call Forwarding Busy, to a fixed number (my cell number in this case), is like only $2 per month in the PA market. I think that has got to be one of the cheapest landline add-ons you can get.

I was thinking about upgrading to Call Forwarding Busy/No Answer and use my cell phone's voice mail instead of my current landline answering machine. My only concern, is that between the number of rings the caller will hear waiting for the No Answer to forward, and the number of rings the caller will hear before the cell goes to Voice Mail, might just be too much of a wait for most people.


Posted by: rlsimon

In S-NJ I have 2 lines and it's 50 cents a month for a "circular hunt loop" which forwards the call to the other line if busy ...don't know if that would work out with any of this???


Posted by: rlsimon

oh yes...no rings at all...no delay!!


Posted by: LTek1

I just got my dock-n-talk, opened the box, plugged the bluetooth adaptor in, and hit "pair." Within 2 minutes of seeing the box on the doorstep, I'm making calls from my house phones through a bluetooth connection to my ppc / vx6700.

I've only been playing with it for 20 minutes, but thought I'd let everyone know that it works very well so far.


Posted by: French

Attention Bluetooth DNT Users:

Are you able to check voicemail (other than your cell phone) using your DNT set up? For example, I tried to call my work voicemail. When I enter my extension and the pound it doesn't seem to recognize any of it. I've tried from two different handsets. I have been using this DNT for about 6 months or so...originaly with a T730. That was via a cable. But now, with Bluetooth, I can't seem to dial numbers that require a numeric response. It definitely worked fine before.

Any insight from anyone else? This is a little frustrating...I am thisclose to canceling the land line but if I can't check my darn work voicemail from my DNT set up, well that puts a damper on things.


Posted by: WaltA

I learned back when I first got my DnT, that it is unfortunately limited by support the cell phone itself provides. For me, my cell phone supported more functions using the cable than using Bluetooth. So, I put the Bluetooth Module away, and exclusively used the cable.

Though, first I would check to see of there is some option on your cell phone that would enable sending DTMF from a handsfree/headset.


Posted by: French

Quote:
Originally Posted by WaltA
I learned back when I first got my DnT, that it is unfortunately limited by support the cell phone itself provides. For me, my cell phone supported more functions using the cable than using Bluetooth. So, I put the Bluetooth Module away, and exclusively used the cable.

Though, first I would check to see of there is some option on your cell phone that would enable sending DTMF from a handsfree/headset.


Thank you for the speedy response. Alas...I'm SOL. The RAZR is only available via the bluetooth module. And I just found out my son's new E815 is the same story. This really irritates me.

Hmm...would this make for hacking material? I don't have a clue what I'm doing but I do have all the software....


Posted by: WaltA

Quote:
Originally Posted by French
Thank you for the speedy response. Alas...I'm SOL. The RAZR is only available via the bluetooth module. And I just found out my son's new E815 is the same story. This really irritates me.


Up to now, the Motorola cell phones have been the most cell phones supported on the DnT. I believe, it is because Motorola made it easy by keeping to a standardized connector for all these years.

Now, Motorola has changed their data/charge connector to that mini-USB.

I emailed DnT, and asked them if they planned to support the new Motorola connector standard. They said "Yes", but it will be several more months before we see the new cable. So, I am hopeful.


Posted by: French

Well I also contacted them and they have informed me that they can do a Firmware update on my DNT that will enable the "off hook dialing" that I can't do right now. For a mere $25. Man...this thing is starting to get very expensive.


Posted by: rlsimon

For replacement of a data line, BT might not be the fastest alternative. However, for voice the BT connection for a miniUSB fone like the RazrV3 would allow you to charge the fone via the USB while using the DNT ...one advantage I see.


Posted by: French

Quote:
Originally Posted by rlsimon
For replacement of a data line, BT might not be the fastest alternative. However, for voice the BT connection for a miniUSB fone like the RazrV3 would allow you to charge the fone via the USB while using the DNT ...one advantage I see.


Sorry....I'm confused about what you are saying here? For me, I just need to be able to check VM and with a bluetooth connection to DNT, nothing after the initial phone number dial is recognized. They say a firmware update will change that. I like that when I walk in my front door my phone is automatically connected, but since my Bluetooth is always on I find I still charge it every night...so a cable solution really wouldn't be a big deal (except they don't actually offer one at this time).


Posted by: rlsimon

My comment was only imagination after reading and looking at the item pics. I don't have the DNT. I must say I relish the idea of disconnecting from the !)%(!*^**!%( wireline provider so much my mind turns to jelly just thinking about it. At present, I pay for 2 lines wired & 2 cells ...TOO MUCH!


Posted by: French

Quote:
Originally Posted by rlsimon
My comment was only imagination after reading and looking at the item pics. I don't have the DNT. I must say I relish the idea of disconnecting from the !)%(!*^**!%( wireline provider so much my mind turns to jelly just thinking about it. At present, I pay for 2 lines wired & 2 cells ...TOO MUCH!


Well this might be the answer for your situation. If you have questions, ask away.


Posted by: WaltA

Quote:
Originally Posted by French
Well I also contacted them and they have informed me that they can do a Firmware update on my DNT that will enable the "off hook dialing" that I can't do right now. For a mere $25. Man...this thing is starting to get very expensive.


Oh, then this situation is different. The cell phone does support the feature when using Bluetooth. It is the DnT which doesn't.

I don't know if their policy has changed, but PhoneLabs use to offer free firmware updates during the warranty period. Of course, there are those nasty shipping charges.

IMHO, this is actually one of the few negatives about the DnT. They didn't design in a way for the user to update the firmware.


Posted by: WaltA

Quote:
Originally Posted by French
... but since my Bluetooth is always on I find I still charge it every night...so a cable solution really wouldn't be a big deal (except they don't actually offer one at this time).


That is also why I didn't mind using the cable instead of Bluetooth in my situation. Since I had to plug a cable in anyway for charging purposes, I might as well use the cable from the DnT that does both. A cable to connect, is a cable to connect.

I had thought about simply leaving my cell phone in my car, in my garage. However, the 30' maximum distance of Bluetooth (more like 10' in real life with intervening walls), made that impractical.


Posted by: sman91282

Quote:
Originally Posted by French
Attention Bluetooth DNT Users:

Are you able to check voicemail (other than your cell phone) using your DNT set up? For example, I tried to call my work voicemail. When I enter my extension and the pound it doesn't seem to recognize any of it. I've tried from two different handsets. I have been using this DNT for about 6 months or so...originaly with a T730. That was via a cable. But now, with Bluetooth, I can't seem to dial numbers that require a numeric response. It definitely worked fine before.

Any insight from anyone else? This is a little frustrating...I am thisclose to canceling the land line but if I can't check my darn work voicemail from my DNT set up, well that puts a damper on things.

Hi people
I work for Phone Labs. If you have any tech questions, I am more than happy to answer them. As for the guy who had trouble connecting to his voicemail via bluetooth, do you have a Samsung phone or is it a Verizon RAZR V3C? Let me know. I will try to get to all questions. Feel free to PM Me.


Posted by: WaltA

Quote:
Originally Posted by sman91282
I work for Phone Labs. If you have any tech questions, I am more than happy to answer them.


Would you, and Phone Labs, be willing to provide us with a list of firmware releases, and what they did?

I mean something like "v0.77 Added support for Mot V710" (This way, if we have a V710, we know we need at least v0.77 firmware), "v0.xx Added off hook dialing support", etc, etc, etc....


Posted by: French

Quote:
Originally Posted by sman91282
Hi people
I work for Phone Labs. If you have any tech questions, I am more than happy to answer them. As for the guy who had trouble connecting to his voicemail via bluetooth, do you have a Samsung phone or is it a Verizon RAZR V3C? Let me know. I will try to get to all questions. Feel free to PM Me.


Um...I'm a GIRL.

Actually PhoneLabs already got back to me on my Bluetooth issue and they say it's a firmware upgrade that I need. So the unit is enroute to you as I type this for the update. I'm using the RAZR VZW V3c


Posted by: sman91282

Quote:
Originally Posted by French
Um...I'm a GIRL.

Actually PhoneLabs already got back to me on my Bluetooth issue and they say it's a firmware upgrade that I need. So the unit is enroute to you as I type this for the update. I'm using the RAZR VZW V3c


My apologies on the mistake
Actually, yea, it was a firmware update. Verizon changed the way the phone dials on the V3 to a reversed format, hence V3c, hence the need for the V.91 firmware. Also, if you utilize a Samsung via bluetooth, you will get the same issue, so you need to update the firmware on that model as well.

The Firmware update list is of minor consequence as we only update firmware versions to the latest one.


Posted by: WaltA

Quote:
Originally Posted by sman91282
The Firmware update list is of minor consequence as we only update firmware versions to the latest one.


So, for my SE T608, an update to v.91 is worth the cost/hassle for all the improved functions (what functions would that be)?

It is really questions like that, a firmware update list would be very helpful. That is really the point of my request.


Posted by: sman91282

Quote:
Originally Posted by WaltA
So, for my SE T608, an update to v.91 is worth the cost/hassle for all the improved functions (what functions would that be)?

It is really questions like that, a firmware update list would be very helpful. That is really the point of my request.


If your phone is functioning properly without a firmware update, then no, there is no need for an upgrade. The upgrade doesn't add features which aren't included in the phone, so this upgrade does you no good.
However!
If it seems to be a bit "buggy", then you may need one. But not always the case. It could be something with the setup.


Posted by: Malik23

I have two T-Mobile Razr V3 phones in my house. My wife's and mine. Would I be able to use both of these with a DNT as separate lines or would some finagling be required?


Posted by: WaltA

If you have just one DNT, then you will only be able to connect up one V3 at a time.

If you have two DNT's, and two separate wired phone systems to support each DNT, then you should be able to use both V3's at the same time. However, you might need to keep they separate, distance wise, to keep the two Bluetooth connections from interfering with each other.


Posted by: Malik23

So I woudn't be able to have one DNT recognize the other DNT as a landline and route it through as well, then?


Posted by: WaltA

The DNT is more like a phone company, than a phone. You can't wire two DNT's onto the same two wires any more than you can connect two landlands together to the same two wires.

However, you could, I guess, connect up two DNT's the same way you would wire up two landlands; one DNT on the red/green wire pair as "line 1" and the second DNT on the yellow/black wire pair as "line 2". Though, that would mean you would need two line phones in your house.


Posted by: WaltA

Just as a follow-up for setting up two lines at home coming from a pair of DNT's, what you need is a 2-line adapter jack, such as this one from Radio Shack.

You plug one DNT into the left jack (line 1), and the other DNT into the center jack (line 2). You can then plug a 2-line home phone, such as this one from Radio Shack, to the right jack (line 1+2) or into any other phone jack in your house.


Posted by: Glenn 100

I've been reading this thread with interest because I just bought the DNT and love what it does. However, I'm using it with a Motorola E815 and bluetooth and have an issue with the volume. On my end, it is extremely loud and the cell phone volume has no effect.

Has anyone had a problem like this and/or know if a firmware will fix it. Mine is v0.86. Unfortunately, I'm going to have to return this thing soon before I get stuck with something I can't use.

thanks for any input
Glenn


Posted by: Mark_Venture

Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn 100
I've been reading this thread with interest because I just bought the DNT and love what it does. However, I'm using it with a Motorola E815 and bluetooth and have an issue with the volume. On my end, it is extremely loud and the cell phone volume has no effect.

Has anyone had a problem like this and/or know if a firmware will fix it. Mine is v0.86. Unfortunately, I'm going to have to return this thing soon before I get stuck with something I can't use.

thanks for any input
Glenn
I use my D-N-T (v.86 firmware) via bluetooth with my Verizon Moto V710.. While I wouldn't say its tooo loud, I do use the "volume control" on my panasonic cordless phones to keep things at an acceptable level.


Posted by: rlsimon

what DNT needs2do is to make a device that will accept 2 different wired phone inputs (not simultaneously, but one or the other ...say if your household has 2 fones on a single shared plan so whoever comes in will connect) and also a bluetooth connection which can be set as priority or not as desired so the bt enabled fone can connect while charging in another room and the wired fone will, if connected to the DNT charge but not connect). Also, there needs to be a 2 line DNT so the house fone will "hunt" to the available second fone connected or show "in use" ...further, DNT needs to have a connection to a signal booster like at http://www.cellboosterstore.com/ for those who need a repeater due to structural barriers!! ...am I thinking too much?


Posted by: thurberm

Using a Moto V3 with the DNT with BT module for about 2 months now. Works great except for an annoying hum in the background. I emailed Phonelabs, and they advised me to move the phone around, specifically, higher than the DNT unit.

Moved it all over the room, no change. I use a wireless BT keyboard/mouse combo (Logitech DiNovo) in the same room, but have fired up the computer with the keyboard/mouse unplugged and unpowered, no change there either.

I find a lot of posts here and there referencing static with the BT module, but no specific info on what fixes it, other than use a cord (not an option with the RAZR). This isn't really static, more like a hum in the background.

Any help out there?


Posted by: Mark_Venture

Well, I just replaced my Verizon Moto V710 with a Verizon Moto E815... Using my D-N-T (0.86 firmware) via Bluetooth module...

TWO pleasant surprises... now the wired phones show the date/time of the caller in the caller ID info... And the Voice Mail waiting indictors on the wired phones now flash when a message was left on the Cell... Something the V710 didn't do via bluetooth.

BUT TWO un-welcomed suprises... when someone calls.. the wired phones ring.. but if the caller hangs up before I can answer (or the call goes to the Cell's voice mail), the wired phones keep ringing, even after the E815 stops ringing and shows the disconnection... (i.e. 1 missed call on the LCD)... the wired phones ring about 3 more times after the cell has gone to voice mail..
Key press on the wired phone (like entering voice mail password) no longer work from the wired phones


Posted by: Glenn 100

To get the wired phones keypad to access voice mail (to enter passwords), you need to have your DNT updated to firmare v0.91 if you're using the E815. I just got mine back from phone labs after the update and it works.

I don't know about the ringing problem because I haven't used mine long enough to find out. The volume on the wired phones is so loud (and the cell phone does not control the volume like PhoneLabs said it should) I can't use it. I am now thinking about returning it all together. Especially after the terrible customer service I received from Phone Labs.

Please let me know your experience with the volume issue I am having.


Posted by: Mark_Venture

Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn 100
To get the wired phones keypad to access voice mail (to enter passwords), you need to have your DNT updated to firmare v0.91 if you're using the E815. I just got mine back from phone labs after the update and it works.
thanks for the confirmation... I was a bit skeptical after the last time they told me a firmware update would fix my problem (beeping noise people calling me would hear intermittantly... it only happend when using Bluetooth with the V710... via cable with the V710 or T730 was fine) but it didn't fix it... and I played "phone tag" with the support rep who kept calling my CELL phone when I left messages for him saying call my office phone because my desk is the "the basement" of the building and doesn't work there! I finally just gave up and lived with it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn 100
I don't know about the ringing problem because I haven't used mine long enough to find out. The volume on the wired phones is so loud (and the cell phone does not control the volume like PhoneLabs said it should) I can't use it. I am now thinking about returning it all together. Especially after the terrible customer service I received from Phone Labs.

Please let me know your experience with the volume issue I am having.
When using the V710 with the DNT via bluetooth, the V710's volume setting did change the volume as heard by the "wired" phones... but I don't notice the "wired" phones being too loud because my panasonic cordless phones can adjust the ear piece volume and I use that as needed...

The E815's volume does not appear to change the volume as heard by the wired phones.. However, I consider the volume on the "wired" phones as acceptable.. I have the panasonic's volume set in the middle... the same as when using the V710 via Bluetooth or cable.


Posted by: Glenn 100

Thanks for confirming that Mark. I'm using 2-line panasonic KSU-less phones with the volume all the way down and I still need to hold the phone away from my ear. Phone Labs thought the 0.92 firmware should fix it. It will fix the touchtone issue if it's worth $25 to you. They will only update it for free within the first couple weeks you have it and only if you push 'em.

You're supposed to get same day turn around but they received mine 3/20 and I just got it back today after emailing and calling them many times. Beware!


Posted by: Mark_Venture

Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn 100
Thanks for confirming that Mark. I'm using 2-line panasonic KSU-less phones with the volume all the way down and I still need to hold the phone away from my ear. Phone Labs thought the 0.92 firmware should fix it.
I made L2 pair to L1 pair cables (so I don't have to use those bulky L1/L2/L1+L2 modular plugs at the wall jacks), and use SINGLE Line cordless phones... 5.8Ghz Panasonic KX-TG5230 in the bedroom, and added 5.8Ghz Panasonic KX-TG5422M in the living room/kitchen... I was even using my old 900Mhz KX-TC1703 at one point... But its now hooked to my wired phone company service as I had started working from home...

I had a 2.4ghz panasonic.. but it interfered with my Wi-Fi plus developed problems, so I tossed it...

All are "just right" for volume... and I'm someone who can hear people in the next room who are whispering!! and know what they are saying.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn 100
It will fix the touchtone issue if it's worth $25 to you. They will only update it for free within the first couple weeks you have it and only if you push 'em.
They update for FREE within the first year (i.e. warranty period) without hassle, if it will fix a problem... Well, ok, so I had to pay the initial shipping to get it to them, but that was it... (I purchased mine in Dec '04, they upgraded the firmware in Aug/Sept '05..)

the $25 upgrade is worth it because last night, I found I can't even use the FLASH button to flip over on call waiting either...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn 100
You're supposed to get same day turn around but they received mine 3/20 and I just got it back today after emailing and calling them many times. Beware!
Last time I sent mine in... it was "quick" considering GROUND shipping both ways... I dropped package off with the shipping department at my office on a monday... I had it back thursday or friday of that same week.... without having to call or check status... I'm hoping turn around is the same this time...

With the exception of trying to resolve that "beeping" noise problem, the few times I have needed their customer service, it was good. I'm hoping that continues... My fingers are crossed.


Btw, anyone thinking of getting one, and reading my comments in this thread... Overall I've been happy with my dock-n-talk... Please also see my comments in -> Thinking of buying a Dock N Talk?


Posted by: French

I also sent mine in for the firmware upgrade and it did fix the touch pad issues I was having, however I paid the $25 not knowing they should have done it for free. I've had mine less than a year. So I'm irritated about that.

However, I'm so glad someone else posted about the volume issue. I thought it was just me. My phones are also entirely too loud. Adjusting on the handset doesn't do the trick, but I haven't tried adjusting it on the RAZR yet, so I'll give that a try this weekend. I hope that works because I agree with Glenn 100...it is so loud it is uncomfortable to actually use. I hope adjusting volume on the RAZR fixes it because I find myself moving away from using it (either not talking as much or talking from the home line or work).


Posted by: WaltA

After reading about incoming call ringing not stopping, I thought I would try this myself as a test.

I usually use my DnT with a cord plugged into my SE T608.

I removed the cord, plugged in my Bluetooth module, and paired it up with my V3c. I called my V3c, and the house phones rang. I hung up, and the house phones' ringing stopped as expected.

I haven't noticed the volume problem though that might be due to house phones having a volume control.


Posted by: Mark_Venture

Quote:
Originally Posted by WaltA
After reading about incoming call ringing not stopping, I thought I would try this myself as a test.

I usually use my DnT with a cord plugged into my SE T608.

I removed the cord, plugged in my Bluetooth module, and paired it up with my V3c. I called my V3c, and the house phones rang. I hung up, and the house phones' ringing stopped as expected...
hmm... what firmware on your DnT? (I might have missed it being posted, cause I saw you post about an upgrade to .91 might be worth it.. but never saw if you sent it in for that)..

Anyone else with an E815 care to comment? (please include phone and DnT firmware levels)...


Posted by: Mark_Venture

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark_Venture
...Last time I sent mine in... it was "quick" considering GROUND shipping both ways... I dropped package off with the shipping department at my office on a monday... I had it back thursday or friday of that same week.... without having to call or check status... I'm hoping turn around is the same this time...
Well, this time, I'm happy to report.. Quick turn around... I dropped the D-N-T off with the mail room LATE Friday afternoon... The cheapest way to send was FedEx Ground...

It was just delivered to my desk TODAY!! Can't wait to go home and play


Posted by: WaltA

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark_Venture
hmm... what firmware on your DnT? (I might have missed it being posted, cause I saw you post about an upgrade to .91 might be worth it.. but never saw if you sent it in for that)..


Since my DnT works fine with my SE T608 through the cable, I decided to hold off upgrading my firmware for now. I think I have .6-something.

I am now waiting for DnT to release the mini-USB cable that will allow me to directly connect my MOT V3c, and will probably send my unit in for updating at that time.

As I mentioned, I resist using the Bluetooth module with my DnT because it really doesn't buy me anything. I still have a plug a cable in, for power/recharging. So, since I still have to plug a cable in, it might was well be a combined signal/power cable.

Hopefully, we didn't scare off sman91282 from PhoneLabs, and he can keep us updated on status.


Posted by: Mark_Venture

Quote:
Originally Posted by WaltA
.... So, since I still have to plug a cable in, it might was well be a combined signal/power cable.
Yeah, i switched to BT because the D-N-T didn't charge the phone as quickly (I could run the phone DEAD in about 4hrs talk)... and I had a desktop charger, so... BT, no wires, just sit phone in desktop charger Via cable... have the P2K Connecter to SNAP on.. plus the 2.5mm for head set..
Quote:
Originally Posted by WaltA
.... Hopefully, we didn't scare off sman91282 from PhoneLabs, and he can keep us updated on status.

Not sure about WE..

but me?? I Sent a PM on march 10 about my "beep issue" using bluetooth & my V710, asking if anything could be done... and asking would .86 firmware be ok for the E815... but never got a response...


Posted by: Mark_Venture

Quote:
Originally Posted by WaltA
I am now waiting for DnT to release the mini-USB cable that will allow me to directly connect my MOT V3c, and will probably send my unit in for updating at that time.
Btw, since the Moto V3 has been out for how long now... (yeah, I know the V3C is different).. I wonder if Phone Labs will make a CABLE for it? or just stick with Bluetooth... Take a look at how many phones they have as "bluetooth only"

With the E815 at least... now I get number, date/time of the call.. just like when using T730/V710 via cable, I just don't get caller name as it appears in my cell phone's phone book (got that via cable with T730/V710)... BUT editable caller id on "wired phones" allows me to work around this...

And while the E815 has been out a while, uses the same P2K Connector of the T730/V710, its also bluetooth only... (yeah, and even though their site says bluetooth only, I had to try it via the MV1-L cable I used with the T730/V710)

BTWthe current D-N-T firmware is .93 and DOES work fine with my E815 now.


Posted by: Mark_Venture

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark_Venture
BTW the current D-N-T firmware is .93 and DOES work fine with my E815 now.

and I still have the extra ringing

But again, its only if I DONT answer the call...


Posted by: LTek1

An update on my *great* experience with the Dock N Talk --

I have a Verizon-branded ppc6700. When I come home, it sits in its own charging/data cradle to keep it synched up with the computer and charged. Phone is connected to the dock-n-talk with the bluetooth module.

If I still have my BT headset on when I walk into the office, I have trouble getting the DNT to pair with the phone after turning my headset off. Press/holding the bluetooth button on the DNT almost always solves this. I have had to set up a new pairing only once in the two months I've been using the thing.

Dock-n-talk is my only phone line, connected to a number of jacks in the house. I had a bunch of cheap Radio Shack 900mhz phones that I was using, but they wouldn't allow me to press/hold a button, so I oculdn't access one-touch dialing, etc.

I bought a set of Uniden DCT646 handsets -- three of them, with one base. Great phones - sound good, very extensive feature set, and -- best of all -- press and hold a button.

Took some hacking on the 6700, but I've also now got the pound key activating Microsoft VoiceCommand on the phone. Voice dial from anywhere in the house. Get a list of upcoming appointments from anywhere in the house. cool stuff like that.

My phone does push the incoming call number through to the Dock-n-Talk, and thus to the caller ID screens of my new phones. However, it does not push the name - ie, phonebook entry. Trying to find a hack for that, but I doubt I'll be able to.

Short term solution? Add phonebook entries to the unidens, so that names come up with numbers. Not a necessity, though.

All in all, very, very pleased. Considering getting a second dock-n-talk for my other cell line.


Posted by: Glenn 100

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark_Venture

BTWthe current D-N-T firmware is .93 and DOES work fine with my E815 now.


That's interesting because I just got mine back from Phone Labs last week with v0.91. I even took my Moto E815 to Verizon to get the latest software and I still have the loud volume issue. I'm returning the Dock N Talk today unless you can advise on the volume issue. Does the E815 now control the volume with the DNT .93 firmware?


Posted by: Mark_Venture

Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn 100
That's interesting because I just got mine back from Phone Labs last week with v0.91. I even took my Moto E815 to Verizon to get the latest software and I still have the loud volume issue. I'm returning the Dock N Talk today unless you can advise on the volume issue. Does the E815 now control the volume with the DNT .93 firmware?

The E815 now works very well with the DnT... Key presses pass thru as expected... Get caller ID info (well, date/time/number, the phone doesn't pass the Cell's phonebook name, so I leave name up to the editable caller ID/phonebook in my Panasonic cordless phones)...

I forgot to check if the E815 volume controls the BT volume now ... I'll do that tonight as soon as I get home... Its not a feature I really make use of... I leave the "headset" volume up all the way for my wired headset and the ear piece of the phone.. and I don't touch it at home..

I have no idea why yours is so loud... I've tried my 3 cordless phones, and 1 wired GE desk phone... all are GOOD.. not too loud, not too quiet...

Oh, and my "extened ringing problem" appears as it might be related to the PHONE BOOK of the E815... Why?? Because When there are NO entries in the E815... the DNT and Wiredphones work as they they should... call comes in, cell & wired phones start ringing... I don't answer, caller goes to voice mail, cell and wired phones stop ringing within a second or two of each other.

With entries in my E815's phone book, call comes in, cell & wired phones start ringing... I don't answer, caller goes to voice mail, cell phone stops ringing, but wired phones ring for another 15 or more seconds.. (I've never left it go longer than 20 seconds before hitting "Talk" on one of the coredless phones)...

Hmm... I used Motorola Phone Tools (aka MPT, formerly Mobile Phone Tools) to transfer the phone book from my V710 to E815... Could that be part of the issue? I even used PST... The SmithMicro Mobile Phonebook that come with Verizon's Mobile Office kit for the V710 wont work with the E815

When I erased the E815's phone book and put 3 entries in BY HAND... it continued to work as expected, with wired phones stop ringing within a second or two of the Cell stop ringing....


Posted by: WaltA

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark_Venture
Btw, since the Moto V3 has been out for how long now... (yeah, I know the V3C is different).. I wonder if Phone Labs will make a CABLE for it? or just stick with Bluetooth... Take a look at how many phones they have as "bluetooth only"


I sent them a PM, and they replied that they are working on a cable for the RAZR's for release later on this year. So, unless they find a "gotcha", I would expect to eventually see it. I am just guessing that USB support, being new to the DnT, just might require a firmware update on the DnT, but Phonelabs said nothing.

I think part of them having cable support for a phone, is just how consistent a cell phone manufacturer is with their data/charging port. Motorola has been quite consistent with their data/charging port connector for many generations and for many years of phones. I think the V3c marks their first change, to that mini-USB connector, and possibly Motorola will stick with that now for a long while too.

I was quite surprised that the e815 wasn't supported with a cable, even though it has the same connector as many other, supported, Motorola phones have. I wonder if there was a "bug" in the e815, that causes the DnT to do something weird???


Posted by: WaltA

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark_Venture
Oh, and my "extened ringing problem" appears as it might be related to the PHONE BOOK of the E815... Why?? Because When there are NO entries in the E815... the DNT and Wiredphones work as they they should... call comes in, cell & wired phones start ringing... I don't answer, caller goes to voice mail, cell and wired phones stop ringing within a second or two of each other.


Oh, they ring for just an additional 15 seconds. I thought they rang forever (ie, one would come home from work to find the phones had been ringing from a missed call in the morning).

I remember reading about people having a problem with ringing on their Bluetooth equipped cars, depending on the ringtone they used. Maybe you have something along the same lines????


Posted by: Mark_Venture

Quote:
Originally Posted by WaltA
Oh, they ring for just an additional 15 seconds. I thought they rang forever (ie, one would come home from work to find the phones had been ringing from a missed call in the morning).
15 seconds was the longest I let it sit before I took a phone off the hook to stop it (was late.. and didn't want it still ringing out of respect for my neighbors, since I'm in an apartment..)

Quote:
Originally Posted by WaltA
I remember reading about people having a problem with ringing on their Bluetooth equipped cars, depending on the ringtone they used. Maybe you have something along the same lines????

I've tried different ring tones...nothing.. only no phone book loaded in the E815 fixes it...


Posted by: Mark_Venture

Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn 100
... Does the E815 now control the volume with the DNT .93 firmware?
Just tried it... No, it does not. While talking on a wired phone, adjusting the volume on the E815 (using controls on the left side of the E815) does NOT control the volume to the wired phones...

With the V710, it did. then again, with the V710, using those side volume controls adjusted the volume of the Mp3 player when using a wired headset, but with the E815 it does NOT... and the V710 did not pass the date/time of the call via bluetooth (which the E815 does)... So there are some definate limits due to the phones themselves...


Posted by: jxm71

Has anyone tried the DNT with a DirecTv system? I dumped my land line a few months ago and the receiver REALLY needs to make it's call. I did call a friend of mine who works for my carrier (VZW), he said the network will pass DTMF tones which is what's required to work. I have a couple phones (VZW and TMob) that I will try tonight. Just wondered if anyone tried it yet.


Posted by: Glenn 100

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark_Venture
Just tried it... No, it does not. While talking on a wired phone, adjusting the volume on the E815 (using controls on the left side of the E815) does NOT control the volume to the wired phones...
.


Thanks Mark. I returned my DNT. I don't know why it's so loud for me unless my hearing isn't shot yet. It's not due to the wired phones because I tried it with several different ones. Of the phones I tried it with (mostly panasonic), the people on the other end said the quality was best with the KX-TS3282 which are the 2-line KSU-less system phones. They have their own volume control which I had all the way down. The DNT just passed too much volume through because the sound was loud and shrill. That's the way it would sound on the cell phone if I had the volume up all the way.

I wanted to have the DNT on line one and my front door on line 2 because I don't have a land line. Now I'm back to looking for another solution because I don't want to carry the cell phone around a 3 floor house.


Posted by: WaltA

Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn 100
Now I'm back to looking for another solution because I don't want to carry the cell phone around a 3 floor house.


Just to note, that WHP Wireless, the company that designed and marketed the Cellsocket, has gone out of business. The Cellsocket was one of the DnT's competitors.


Posted by: Mark_Venture

Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn 100
Now I'm back to looking for another solution because I don't want to carry the cell phone around a 3 floor house.

How about something like the
Uniden Bluetooth® Cordless Phone System (ELBT595)??

Its available at Circuit City Other stores (like best buy) probably sell too..


Posted by: WaltA

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark_Venture


I will admit, that is a rather nice product offering.

The only thing that bothers me, is the lack of any firmware updates from Uniden for this product at all. While I guess it is possible that Uniden got it perfectly right the very first time, for all current and future Bluetooth cell phones, my experience with Bluetooth devices in general, makes me feel that this is probably very unlikely.


Posted by: Glenn 100

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark_Venture


Thanks for the suggestion. I really wanted to use my current 2-line corded phones with intercom. If I need cordless or hands free, I will just use my cell phone or bluetooth headset.


Posted by: torifile

Just got the dock n talk + bluetooth today. Set up was a breeze and it automatically connects to my wife's t637. The line is a little static-y but I don't know if that just because her cell is getting bad reception or if the bluetooth isn't doing so great. We'll give it a whirl for a couple weeks and see how we like it.


Posted by: Mark_Venture

New issue found with my D-N-T (now with .93 firmware) and my Moto E815 (1.1E.00 firmware)...

Voice mail indicator on wired phones...

For some reason, the DNT seems to think the Cell has voice mail... when it doesn't... so I get the "stuttering dial tone" when I start calling from the wired phones... and the VM waiting indictors on the Wired phones is lit.

Not sure if this is DNT issue, or E815 issue.

Temp fix... Go into the setup on the wired phones, and set the VM TONE Detection to OFF... then wired phones never indicate VM waiting, and I always have to look at cell to be sure.

Sending email to Phone labs...


Posted by: WaltA

Just a side note... Phone Labs invented, and have the patent on, the VM waiting indicators used on wired phones. If anyone should know how they work, they should.


Posted by: jeffd

I spoke to them about this on my V330 at the CES a few months ago. Moto just sends the same message signal for text message as it does for VM so the DNT has no way of knowing what is what. If there is any message, including unread email the VM signal will be sent to the wired phones.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark_Venture
New issue found with my D-N-T (now with .93 firmware) and my Moto E815 (1.1E.00 firmware)...

Voice mail indicator on wired phones...

For some reason, the DNT seems to think the Cell has voice mail... when it doesn't... so I get the "stuttering dial tone" when I start calling from the wired phones... and the VM waiting indictors on the Wired phones is lit.

Not sure if this is DNT issue, or E815 issue.

Temp fix... Go into the setup on the wired phones, and set the VM TONE Detection to OFF... then wired phones never indicate VM waiting, and I always have to look at cell to be sure.

Sending email to Phone labs...



Posted by: Mark_Venture

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark_Venture
For some reason, the DNT seems to think the Cell has voice mail... when it doesn't... so I get the "stuttering dial tone" when I start calling from the wired phones... and the VM waiting indictors on the Wired phones is lit.

Not sure if this is DNT issue, or E815 issue.
More info (but I didn't email phone labs yet...)

apparently an incoming TEXT MESSAGE trips the voice mail waiting with the dock-n-talk

i.e. was sitting, no VM on cell, no VM waiting on wired phones... text message came into cell... Wired Phone's VM waiting led started blinking, caller id display showed Voice Mail indicator...

Read text message on cell... text message icon goes out... Wired phones still show voice mail... D-N-T still gives stuttering dialtone...

It might be an E815 issue... I'm going to email phone labs anyway...


Posted by: Mark_Venture

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffd
I spoke to them about this on my V330 at the CES a few months ago. Moto just sends the same message signal for text message as it does for VM so the DNT has no way of knowing what is what. If there is any message, including unread email the VM signal will be sent to the wired phones.

thanks, was typing at the same time as you

Must be sent that way only over bluetooth, because when using the cable with my T730 and V710, I didn't see this problem... the V710 didn't send as much info via bluetooth, so I never saw this with the V710 via BT..


Posted by: WaltA

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffd
Moto just sends the same message signal for text message as it does for VM so the DNT has no way of knowing what is what. If there is any message, including unread email the VM signal will be sent to the wired phones.


Didn't VZW switch a few years back, to using a special form of a text message to turn the VM indicator on their cell phones 'on' ???


Posted by: phoneking

The message waiting indication can be cleared by the Dock-N-Talk by pressing and holding down the "1" on your corded or cordless phone. Make sure your phone makes a DTMF tone of at least 1 second.


Posted by: Mark_Venture

Quote:
Originally Posted by phoneking
The message waiting indication can be cleared by the Dock-N-Talk by pressing and holding down the "1" on your corded or cordless phone. Make sure your phone makes a DTMF tone of at least 1 second.
my cordless phone doesn't appear to have a setting to change the length of the DTMF tone... so it doesn't work...


Posted by: phoneking

Version .94 allows you to use phones with short DTMF tones by pressing 1# for one-touch 1, 2# for one-touch 2, etc. 0# activates voice dialing.


Posted by: Mark_Venture

Quote:
Originally Posted by phoneking
Version .94 allows you to use phones with short DTMF tones by pressing 1# for one-touch 1, 2# for one-touch 2, etc. 0# activates voice dialing.

interesting.. I have .93, and I emailed them about some other problems (using flash to switch call waiting...) and have NOT heard back...

Time to email again...


Posted by: fearlessflyer

Given all of your experience with phone models and DnT, what are some suggestions as for the best model selections for Cingular and Verizon to use with it? Specifically, entry or mid-line phones that are nor BT. I would be adding a phone on my share plan just for the DnT and do not need the nice mobile features/displays of the top tier phones, but am looking for best audio and decent RF. Thanks All!


Posted by: WaltA

IMHO, any of the Motorola's, except for the e815 or V3c, are amongst the best supported cell phones by DnT.


Posted by: phoneking

I have used both the E815 and V3c and they work fine, not sure why you single those 2 out.


Posted by: Mark_Venture

Quote:
Originally Posted by phoneking
I have used both the E815 and V3c and they work fine, not sure why you single those 2 out.

my experience with the D-N-T with my T730 and V710 are great... They worked as expected, minor issues due to phone limits (lack of caller id info from V710 via Bluetooth), but other than that 100% as expected!

The E815 on the other hand.. not so smoooth.. and the customer service is not as good as it was either...


Posted by: WaltA

Quote:
Originally Posted by phoneking
I have used both the E815 and V3c and they work fine, not sure why you single those 2 out.


Those are the only two for which DnT doesn't have cable support. Since the OP didn't want to use Bluetooth, those models seemed to be natural exclusions from Motorola's lineup.

My feelings on this, is that while Bluetooth is nice, most people would still need to plug their phone in to recharge anyway. Since one needs to plug in their phone anyway, one might as well use a combination data/recharge cable with their DnT.


Posted by: phoneking

I'm told cable support for the E815 may be coming in the next 1-2 months. The USB connector for the new Razr and other phones may be 3-6 months. They just came out with the Enterprise desktop telephone docking station that loads in your cell phone directory.


Posted by: stufried

Has anyone tried hooking the DnT up to any devices other than a cordless phone. I'm playing with the idea of hooking a prepaid phone with free incoming calls up to a Sipura 3000 (connected over the net to my Asterisks box) to give me a Dubai DID ringing to my US mobile.


Posted by: phoneking

It should work fine as long as you can set up the Sipura to dial out to the mobile phone number. The DNT will dial out the DTMF stream no problem.


Posted by: dmo94607

I purchased the DNT over a year ago and recently bought the BT adapter. Currently have the Cingular 2125 by HTC. It would not accurately pair since the blue light stayed lit but the green light flashes.
So I wrote PL support over the weekend and got a prompt call which was great. Like others have noted here, support advised on a firmware upgrade but said they had to send me an email with the details. Little did I know that the details included a $25 fee. I've since written back about this. That's just not kosher!


Posted by: Mark_Venture

Quote:
Originally Posted by dmo94607
I purchased the DNT over a year ago and recently bought the BT adapter. Currently have the Cingular 2125 by HTC. It would not accurately pair since the blue light stayed lit but the green light flashes.
So I wrote PL support over the weekend and got a prompt call which was great. Like others have noted here, support advised on a firmware upgrade but said they had to send me an email with the details. Little did I know that the details included a $25 fee. I've since written back about this. That's just not kosher!
When you are past warranty... the firmware updates are not free... and you must send the device to them to update it


Posted by: WaltA

It would have been sure nice if the user had a way to update the firmware at home.


Posted by: phoneking

I contacted Phone Labs when I bought a new cell phone that wasn't supported. They told me about the upgrade and I was happy I didn't have to buy a new docking station. They told me that just like Norton Antivirus does for new viruses, they keep adding new phones so I don't have to buy a new docking station. That seems very fair. After my upgrade, my DNT now supports over 900 phones where before, it was only 500. I think $25 is cheap for that and includes free shipping back to me!


Posted by: WaltA

Could one imagine if Norton Antivirus required one to ship their PC back to Norton, for each anti-virus update?


Posted by: Mark_Venture

Quote:
Originally Posted by phoneking
I contacted Phone Labs when I bought a new cell phone that wasn't supported. They told me about the upgrade and I was happy I didn't have to buy a new docking station. They told me that just like Norton Antivirus does for new viruses, they keep adding new phones so I don't have to buy a new docking station. That seems very fair. After my upgrade, my DNT now supports over 900 phones where before, it was only 500. I think $25 is cheap for that and includes free shipping back to me!

While I agree $25 isn't too bad...

My Gripe... I had the D-N-T with v0.86 firmware, their bluetooth module and my Verizon Moto V710... I sent them an email stating what I have currently (including firmware on the DNT), asking will it work with the Verizon Moto E815. The resopnse said Yes, it will work...

When I got the E815 and emailed that I was having problems... I was told.."The Dock-N-Talk needs a firmware update to work with the E815"...

I just sent them an email about issues STILL happening with my E815, they said they can't duplicate it...

On the same email I asked is the LG VX-8500 (aka Chocolate) supported? they responded YES.. Now, because of the past, I have sent them an email asking "will it work with v0.93 firmware? or do I need an upgrade?"

It would be nice if they responded... "The [PHONE MODEL] is supported with D-N-T Frimware vx.xx"


Posted by: French

Please be sure to come back and post their answer when you get it. Some of us are considering "the chocolate" and the answer you get would impact my decision.


Posted by: WaltA

It would be real nice if Phonelabs posted up on their website, the version number of the latest version. Plus, it would be nice too if they posted a change-list for each version (like "v0.95 added support for Chocolate, fixed VM indicator bug for V3c/V3m").

This way, users like us, can determine if we need an upgrade or not.


Posted by: Mark_Venture

Quote:
Originally Posted by French
Please be sure to come back and post their answer when you get it. Some of us are considering "the chocolate" and the answer you get would impact my decision.

well... I just got the mail back...
Quote:
The Chocolate should work fine with your firmware version.
and again, I have v0.93 on my D-N-T...

Verizon is supposed to be sending me a "Free" chocolate as part of their newly formed (invite only) Verizon Customer Council... however, I haven't yet recevied it... soon as I do, I'll be trying it and post back...


Posted by: Mark_Venture

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark_Venture
well... I just got the mail back...
and again, I have v0.93 on my D-N-T...

Verizon is supposed to be sending me a "Free" chocolate as part of their newly formed (invite only) Verizon Customer Council... however, I haven't yet recevied it... soon as I do, I'll be trying it and post back...

Ok, well the chocolate arrived... and so far, about the only thing I can say I like... the size with the slider closed...

Anyway.. the BASICS of the Chocolate work with the Dock-N-Talk... that is.. I can make/answer calls with it...

Caller ID passed from the chocolate to the D-N-T consist of phone number ONLY!! Unlike my Moto E815 which passed Phone Number and Date/Time of call...

I have not tried call waiting... or voice response menus that need key presses/tones yet...


Posted by: Mark_Venture

Looks like the info sent to the D-N-T from LG Chocolate's BT is exactly like the Moto V710's... no message waiting indicator showing on my wired phones either....


Posted by: ajvp

Quote:
Originally Posted by dmo94607
I purchased the DNT over a year ago and recently bought the BT adapter. Currently have the Cingular 2125 by HTC. It would not accurately pair since the blue light stayed lit but the green light flashes.
So I wrote PL support over the weekend and got a prompt call which was great. Like others have noted here, support advised on a firmware upgrade but said they had to send me an email with the details. Little did I know that the details included a $25 fee. I've since written back about this. That's just not kosher!



Did you get this fixed? Hows the 2125 working with the DNT?

I'm looking at swapping out my Samsung D407 for the 2125 or the Motorola L2. The D407 works great, right up to the time when you dial (after you have dialed an extension on the previous call.) You get a dial tone but nothing happens. You have to physically go and hit exit on the D407 (to clear the previously dialed numbers) b/f you can dial again. I spoke to PL several times and they said they were going to look into it, but I only have about a week to swap the phone out without cost.


Posted by: keefer

I bought a new Samsung Katana (Sprint) and the DNT with the Bluetooth option. I've had continued Bluetooth disconnection problems. It will work for a while, then the DNT appears to "lock up". The phone shows it's searching for a Bluetooth signal and the DNT and Bluetooth module both have solid indicators (green and blue respectively).

I've tried every troubleshooting technique I can thin of but I've not had much success. My WiFi is about 12+ feet away separated by one floor level and two rooms and I even turned it off to make sure there is absolutely no 2ghz interference and it still drops the connectivity eventually.

Tonight after seeing the DNT had locked up again, I turned off the cell phone and the DNT still had solid green and blue and I could call out with a dial tone (with no connection of course )!

I have a 5ghz phone and the base is 12+ feet away... PhoneLabs suggested leaving the cell phone flip open, but that doesn't seem to affect this phone one way or the other. Any and all power saving settings have been turned off.

It will work anywhere from a couple of hours to over 24 hours, but never much longer than that. I live far enough away from my neighbors that their WiFi could not be causing me interference and I have no other RF source other than my 5ghz phone and of course the cell phone itself.

Any words of wisdom?

Also in reading about how Bluetooth transmits vs. WiFi, any recommendations on what channel to set my WiFi access point? It's currently set at 1.

I guess I'll be calling PhoneLabs again on Monday.


Posted by: Mark_Venture

Quote:
Originally Posted by keefer
Any words of wisdom?

Also in reading about how Bluetooth transmits vs. WiFi, any recommendations on what channel to set my WiFi access point? It's currently set at 1.

I don't know about that phone... But I can tell you about my setup...

I live in an 1100sqr ft apartment...

D-N-T and base for one of my Panasonic 5.8ghz cordless are next to each other on my dresser (outside facing/end wall) in the master bed room... I usually put my cell on the dresser next to it when i come home...

my Linksys WRT54G (v2) is in the 2nd bed room, on the wall that separates the two bedrooms... its about 13feet from the DNT... and the router is more "centrally" located in the apartment...

I have no 2.4ghz phones.

My router is on channel 1, and I have neighbors with wireless routers on channel 6, 7, 10 and 11. (there are others, but they appear to be off at the moment.)

I don't experince the same issue of the bluetooth problem you've described with my Moto V710 or E815, or LG Chocolate.


Posted by: WaltA

Quote:
Originally Posted by keefer
I bought a new Samsung Katana (Sprint) and the DNT with the Bluetooth option. I've had continued Bluetooth disconnection problems. It will work for a while, then the DNT appears to "lock up". The phone shows it's searching for a Bluetooth signal and the DNT and Bluetooth module both have solid indicators (green and blue respectively).

...

Tonight after seeing the DNT had locked up again, I turned off the cell phone and the DNT still had solid green and blue and I could call out with a dial tone (with no connection of course )!

...

Also in reading about how Bluetooth transmits vs. WiFi, any recommendations on what channel to set my WiFi access point? It's currently set at 1.


If the Bluetooth module's blue LED is 'on', that means it thinks it has a Bluetooth connection with your phone.

If the base unit's green LED is 'on', that means it thinks that it has a connection with your phone.

Unfortunately, the "akilies heal" of DnT is the phone itself. The DnT is at the mercy of just how well the phone supports a wired, or a Bluetooth, hands free connection. A lot of phones have errors, bugs, in their code. The problem is that few users of these phones make use of the hands free connection. Not enough to generate enough trouble reports to get attention. Plus, of those who use it, even fewer use it as continuously as DnT users do. I mean, how long does someone drive their car? Two hours? Three hours? But at home, your phone might be connected for significantly more hours. I mention this because I have this problem with my SE T608. It has what appears to be a "memory leak". It can connect through either a wired or a Bluetooth connection for about 20 hours, and then suddenly hang. I assume it is slowly using up memory, due to the "leak", and after about 20 hours, memory is full. I have to turn my phone 'off', take the battery out for a few seconds, put the battery back in, and turn the phone back 'on'. Basically, cold boot it. That is the only way I can get it to start working again with my DnT (have you tried that?).

My WiFi network uses channel 5. If I am remember right, channel 5 is the only WiFi channel that doesn't overlap adjacent channels. I don't know if that is a good reason to pick one channel over another, but that I why I picked channel 5.

I did have a WiFi vs. Bluetooth interference problem on my PC. I solved that completely, but putting my Bluetooth dongle at the end of a USB cable extension. That separated the WiFi antenna from the Bluetooth dongle by about 5 feet, and that apparently enough to keep them from interfering with each other.


Posted by: music4praise

Quote:
Originally Posted by WaltA
My WiFi network uses channel 5. If I am remember right, channel 5 is the only WiFi channel that doesn't overlap adjacent channels. I don't know if that is a good reason to pick one channel over another, but that I why I picked channel 5.

As a point of information, WiFi channels 1, 6, and 11 do not overlap. If you are the only WiFi transmitter within range it doesn't matter which of the 11 channels you choose. Otherwise it does. Here is a link to a chart and some graphs that show the frequencies and overlap.

http://www.moonblinkwifi.com/2point4freq.cfm


Posted by: keefer

Quote:
Originally Posted by WaltA
...I mention this because I have this problem with my SE T608. It has what appears to be a "memory leak". It can connect through either a wired or a Bluetooth connection for about 20 hours, and then suddenly hang. I assume it is slowly using up memory, due to the "leak", and after about 20 hours, memory is full. I have to turn my phone 'off', take the battery out for a few seconds, put the battery back in, and turn the phone back 'on'. Basically, cold boot it. That is the only way I can get it to start working again with my DnT (have you tried that?)...


I've tried powering down and even removing the battery on the Samsung Katana, but the problem appears to be with the DNT itself. If I unplug the DNT from power and then power it back up (effectively "rebooting" it) then it handshakes and it will be okay for a few more hours (anywhere from 3 hours to 30 hours to date). Note that the Samsung phone shows that Bluetooth has been disconnected and the DNT's Bluetooth module is still showing connected with a solid blue LED. It appears that the DNT Bluetooth module is going brain dead. I even powered down the cell phone and watched the DNT Bluetooth module and the LED status never changed.

I've done a lot of web searching/learning the past few days on WiFi vs. Bluetooth and interferences, etc. My closest WiFi device is a Linksys bridge hooked up to a Slingbox, but I currently have everything WiFi turned off and I still experienced the "lock-up", so I'm thinking it's related to my phone and the Bluetooth module. Either I have a flaky DNT Bluetooth module or as someone mentioned there may be some bugs in the phone's Bluetooth code. However, I did get the same problem with my PPC-6700 (the lock-up) so that lends me more to believe that it's the DNT Bluetooth module.

I'll post a follow up as I receive more info.

I just joined this forum because it appears to be the only one with something on the DNT. Many thanks to everyone for making me feel welcome and for all the wonderful responses!


Posted by: keefer

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark_Venture
I don't know about that phone... But I can tell you about my setup...

...

I don't experince the same issue of the bluetooth problem you've described with my Moto V710 or E815, or LG Chocolate.


Thanks. That reinforces my thinking that it's not my 5.8ghz phone nor my WiFi equipment as it's far enough away.

I actually had my 5.8ghz phone next to the DNT but I moved it about 10 ft away just to see if it made any difference. It didn't. With something close like that, however, it can generate enough harmonics that it can cause issues depending on the rejection of the radio receiver (in this case the DNT Bluetooth module).

For instance, I have an 800mhz video transmitter and receiver. After I purchased a new VTech 5.8ghz phone and had it operational, the video on my 800mhz receiver would go totally out of sync and would be unwatchable. If I turned off the 5.8ghz phone, the problem went away. Obviously my 800mhz video receiver had very poor RF rejection as RF harmonics from the phone was rendering it useless.


Posted by: phoneking

Check the manual on your 5.8ghz cordless phone. Most of them are not true 5.8ghz but are hybrid 2.4/5.8 which is really case of false labeling and misleading customers. The 2.4ghz will block the bluetooth signal. Try turning off the cordless phone and see if that makes a difference. From my experience that will cure the problem.


Posted by: Mark_Venture

Btw, the call waiting issue that I have with my Verizon E815 and the D-N-T T Via bluetooth... (Say I am on a call with Dave... I hear "the beep" and see the call waiting indictor on the wired phone that Fred is calling... I hit the flash key on the wired phone to "switch over" and answer the incoming call... BOTH Callers get dropped. ) that Phone Labs can't replicate...

Well, using the LG VX-8500 Chocolate.. it does the same thing with the Dock-n-talk via Bluetooth. DROPS BOTH callers when I hit the FLASH key on the "wired" phones..




Posted by: keefer

Quote:
Originally Posted by phoneking
Check the manual on your 5.8ghz cordless phone. Most of them are not true 5.8ghz but are hybrid 2.4/5.8 which is really case of false labeling and misleading customers. The 2.4ghz will block the bluetooth signal. Try turning off the cordless phone and see if that makes a difference. From my experience that will cure the problem.


I talked with PhoneLabs today and they told me the same thing, which I was unaware of. I have a VTech and I checked out the specs on the manual tonight and there it was... 2.4/5.8ghz... grrrrr... I'm fairly sure you are right and that is what is klobbering the Bluetooth signal since a cordless phone will have more power than even WiFi (this one has amazing range for a cordless phone, so it's pretty "hot").

So far I've found a lot of other phones are hybrids, not pure 5.8ghz, but Panasonics are pure 5.8ghz. It appears I'm going to be in the market for a new phone and the VTech is going on eBay. :/

Thanks, man.


Posted by: WaltA

Quote:
Originally Posted by keefer
So far I've found a lot of other phones are hybrids, not pure 5.8ghz, but Panasonics are pure 5.8ghz. It appears I'm going to be in the market for a new phone and the VTech is going on eBay. :/


Uniden's are "pure" 5.8GHz too.

Also, Uniden makes a 5.8GHz cordless phone which incorporates the DNT type of function. This cordless phone's base connects up to a cell phone thru Bluetooth, and makes the cell phone appear as Line 2 on all the cordless phone handsets. Line 1 would be your landline (if you have one).

Its Uniden model ELBT595 if you are interested in reading about it.


Posted by: phoneking

I looked at the Uniden but you MUST use only their cordless phones so I can't use any of my existing phones...and then what if a year from now a phone breaks and I am short a phone--they change their phone models every year and then I would be stuck.

No thanks!


Posted by: WaltA

Quote:
Originally Posted by phoneking
...and then what if a year from now a phone breaks and I am short a phone--they change their phone models every year and then I would be stuck.

No thanks!


That hasn't been true now for a few years.

They have "universal" headsets that work with any of the current 5.8GHz phone models, plus all the base units made in the past few years.


Posted by: WaltA

After having changed my primary cell phone from the
old SE T608 to the MOT V3c, I sent my DNT back for a
firmware upgrade.

After receiving it back, I was curious to find out what
firmware version Phonelabs updated it to, so I pressed
the left "ringer" button on the unit for a few seconds and
released. I use to get the Caller ID of something like the
name being "Dock-N-Talk" and the phone number being
the firmware version.

However, when I try this now after being updated, I get
the name being something odd like "Intercom Call" and
no number (my Caller ID unit says "Unknown Number" for
the phone number). There is also no time/date info.

Has anyone else notice this????


Posted by: Mark_Venture

Quote:
Originally Posted by WaltA
After receiving it back, I was curious to find out what
firmware version Phonelabs updated it to, so I pressed
the left "ringer" button on the unit for a few seconds and
released. I use to get the Caller ID of something like the
name being "Dock-N-Talk" and the phone number being
the firmware version.
with the 0.93 it still works giving me Dock-N-Talk and the version number...

Hmm... wonder waht you got?

they still haven't responded to my Call Waiting issues... (using flash key on wired phones DROPS BOTH Calls...) they said try using different flash time... The default was 700ms, I tried 600ms like they suggested, as well as the other settings of 400ms 100, 110, 250, and 300... NONE worked...


Posted by: WaltA

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark_Venture
with the 0.93 it still works giving me Dock-N-Talk and the version number...

Hmm... wonder waht you got?


A new function.

Remember, I use to have a very old firmware version (0.6-something?) on my DNT. Apparently, since then, Phonelabs added a new feature.

This new feature allows landline phones connected up to DNT to "talk" with each other, while keeping disconnected from the cell phone. Basically, an intercom system using your landline phones.

So, with my new 0.95 firmware, you press and quickly let go of the left button to get the version info via CID. If you press and hold the left button until the landline phones start to ring, you get the "Intercom Call" function, and that is indicated via the CID instead of the version info.

Of course, the User Manual for my DNT is still my original one from 0.6-something days, and therefore, doesn't document this new function.

BTW, this is new function is really of no use to me since my landline phones are a single cordless system, which implements its own intercom function.


Posted by: mwyarm

What are the rules/guidelines for receiving a firmware upgrade? Do you return the DNT postage paid or can it be downloaded? I purchased a unit almost a year ago but I am not sure that I would gain a lot, depending on the cost, to upgrade? Thanks in advance for your input and insight.


Posted by: Mark_Venture

Quote:
Originally Posted by mwyarm
What are the rules/guidelines for receiving a firmware upgrade? Do you return the DNT postage paid or can it be downloaded? I purchased a unit almost a year ago but I am not sure that I would gain a lot, depending on the cost, to upgrade? Thanks in advance for your input and insight.
I think we posted earlier in this thread...

You must return then DnT to phonelabs for upgrade.

While under warranty, if it fixes an issue, the update and return shipping is FREE. You pay to ship it to them.

Outside warranty... its $25 to update and return shipping... You pay to ship it to them..

Btw, Not sure if it costs anything when under warranty, but you're not trying to fix any problems.. i.e. upgrading just for the sake of upgrading....


Posted by: phoneking

The intercom feature has always been there (it's in the first manuals) because I use it. However, they added the Caller ID for Intercom Call in one of the last updates.


Posted by: fearlessflyer

Does the D-N-T favor one cellular technology over another, say you will be using it in an area where CDMA (Verizon) and GSM (Cingular) coverage are equal, would the outgoing voice quality be better with one over the other, Assuming the phones are equal, say Mot Razers? Also, is the outgoing/incoming voice quality different for cabled vs. bluetooth connected phones?

Thanks!


Posted by: Mark_Venture

Quote:
Originally Posted by fearlessflyer
Does the D-N-T favor one cellular technology over another, say you will be using it in an area where CDMA (Verizon) and GSM (Cingular) coverage are equal, would the outgoing voice quality be better with one over the other, Assuming the phones are equal, say Mot Razers? Also, is the outgoing/incoming voice quality different for cabled vs. bluetooth connected phones?

Thanks!

I've used the DNT via usb cable and bluetooth with my Verizon Moto V710 (CDMA)... there was no difference in call quality.

I've used my DNT with my CDMA phones (moto T730 via cable, V710 via cable and BT, Moto E815 via BT, LG VX8500 chocolate via BT), and my GSM Blackberries via Bluetooth (7290 and 8100/Pearl)...

I heard no noticeable differences in call quality between using the phone itself vs with the DNT...


Posted by: davidemartin

I just purchased a Dock-n-Talk with the bluetooth module. It has ver .95 firmware. I'm getting a good bit of hum when the dock-n-talk phone user is speaking which cuts out when they're silent. I'm using it with a Sony Ericsson z525a phone.


Posted by: WaltA

Quote:
Originally Posted by davidemartin
I just purchased a Dock-n-Talk with the bluetooth module. It has ver .95 firmware. I'm getting a good bit of hum when the dock-n-talk phone user is speaking which cuts out when they're silent. I'm using it with a Sony Ericsson z525a phone.


It could be that you have something else using the 2.4GHz band, very close to your phone and DnT. This could be a cordless phone, or WiFi. Is there anything like that, say, within 10 feet or so ?


Posted by: phoneking

You probably have the cell phone too close to your corded or cordless phone and the radiation from the cell phone is bleeding in; or you have a 2.4ghz or 5.8ghz hybrid cordless phone or Wifi that could be interfering with the Bluetooth signal.


Posted by: stufried

How do you figure out the firmware version of your dockn'talk?


Posted by: WaltA

Quote:
Originally Posted by stufried
How do you figure out the firmware version of your dockn'talk?


Momentarily press the Ring button (the one on the left), and the unit will send its firmware version out as Caller ID to your regular phone(s).


Posted by: LOTL

Anyone with the E815 know if and when Phonelabs plans on providing a cable for the DNT?
Website still shows BT support only.


Posted by: Mark_Venture

Quote:
Originally Posted by LOTL
Anyone with the E815 know if and when Phonelabs plans on providing a cable for the DNT?
Website still shows BT support only.

Email their support and see what they say.


Posted by: French

Quote:
Originally Posted by LOTL
Anyone with the E815 know if and when Phonelabs plans on providing a cable for the DNT?
Website still shows BT support only.


Personally, I don't think they are going to bother with offering cable support for any phone that can connect via bluetooth.


Posted by: LOTL

I sent them an email yesterday and just got this reply back:

"We are not sure if we will be able to get a cable working for that phone. (e815) It works with our Bluetooth Module."

So if im going to give the BT module a shot, what is the actual cabling setup to use in order to charge the phone and use it with the DNT via BT?
I read through this entire thread and in one post it looked like someone was saying you had to attach a cable to the speaker jack on the E815, and also his charging cable in order for the BT module to work.
Does a cradle exist for the E815 that will allow me to just drop it in and have it work with the DNT?

Edit: Phonelabs replied back to 2 more emails of mine within minutes and said no cable connection is required when using BT. (only logical) and that there would be no problem hooking up my charging cable while it was being used with the DNT.


Posted by: Mark_Venture

Quote:
Originally Posted by LOTL
Edit: Phonelabs replied back to 2 more emails of mine within minutes and said no cable connection is required when using BT. (only logical) and that there would be no problem hooking up my charging cable while it was being used with the DNT.

Correct... When using Bluetooth with the DNT there is no physical connection between the phone and the DNT...

You can use any charger or cradle to power the phone, like you had prior to getting the DnT...

I continue to use the Just Wireless T720/T730 Desktop charger (SKU 05006). While made for the T720/T730, and used with my T730 prior to getting the V710, the V710 and E815 fit on it nicely. However the 2nd battery pocket does not work for a V710/E815 battery so you can charge the phone only, not a spare battery.

You can also get the Moto dual pocket charger (verizon sold, or on moto's web site) that makes use of your travel charger to hold the phone upright and charge the battery, plus has a pocket for a 2nd battery to charge.


Posted by: THECiscoKid

So I am impressed with the loyalty to the product and I dropped $200+ to get the DNT and the BT module. Showed up a week later UPS and I tried to set it up.

In the directions it tells you to press the "pairing" button until both the DNT and BT lights flash rapidly. Well.....the DNT would and the BT wouldn't...so..>I logged a call into Tech support. Seems they are having problems with the wrong firmware shipping...So, I send it back to them (same day I get it) to get the firmware upgraded. I overnight it out and confirm they got it the next day. A week later (today) I get it back.

I power it up and press the pairing button again...much to my dismay....same problem. Now I am frustrated!

Has anyone else had similar issues?

Everyone seems to be very happy with it..I actually bought this for a "unique" special project that I was going to go live with 2 days ago. Little thing is letting me down so far.




Posted by: French

Quote:
Originally Posted by THECiscoKid
So I am impressed with the loyalty to the product and I dropped $200+ to get the DNT and the BT module. Showed up a week later UPS and I tried to set it up.

In the directions it tells you to press the "pairing" button until both the DNT and BT lights flash rapidly. Well.....the DNT would and the BT wouldn't...so..>I logged a call into Tech support. Seems they are having problems with the wrong firmware shipping...So, I send it back to them (same day I get it) to get the firmware upgraded. I overnight it out and confirm they got it the next day. A week later (today) I get it back.

I power it up and press the pairing button again...much to my dismay....same problem. Now I am frustrated!

Has anyone else had similar issues?

Everyone seems to be very happy with it..I actually bought this for a "unique" special project that I was going to go live with 2 days ago. Little thing is letting me down so far.


I have not had any issues with mine at all. When you press the pairing button, are you pressing and holding it (several seconds)? It takes a few seconds for both to start flashing quickly.

If that doesn't work, try giving them a call. They helped me re-pair my Razor...I spent 10 minutes getting frustrated and upset, and they had it back online in 3.


Posted by: WaltA

Quote:
Originally Posted by THECiscoKid
In the directions it tells you to press the "pairing" button until both the DNT and BT lights flash rapidly. Well.....the DNT would and the BT wouldn't...


Is the Bluetooth module firmly plugged into the DnT base? I know that sometimes mine can get loose, and worked "oddly" such as not being able to connect to my phone anymore.


Posted by: phoneking

I would just contact tech support and check the firmware version you have and the the Bluetooth Module to see if they are compatible. They should be able to tell you over the phone. If everything is correct, then there could be some issue with you cell phone locking up the bluetooth pairing sequence.


Posted by: WaltA

Another point, the Bluetooth Module will not flash, if it is already successfully paired with something.

On your phone, check to see if under Bluetooth Device History, you already have "Dock n Talk" listed. If so, delete it, and try the pairing process all over again.


Posted by: kudzu53

[QUOTE=keefer]I talked with PhoneLabs today and they told me the same thing, which I was unaware of. I have a VTech and I checked out the specs on the manual tonight and there it was... 2.4/5.8ghz... grrrrr... I'm fairly sure you are right and that is what is klobbering the Bluetooth signal since a cordless phone will have more power than even WiFi (this one has amazing range for a cordless phone, so it's pretty "hot").

[QUOTE]


Argh! I think I have one of the Vtech hybrids too! The manual (Vtech 5825) says:
TRANSMIT FREQUENCY
Base: 5744.736 - 5825.952 MHz
Handset: 2401.056 - 2482.272 MHz

RECEIVE FREQUENCY
Base: 2401.056 - 2482.272 MHz
Handset: 5744.736 - 5825.952 MHz

And Vtech pitches this on the package and their web site as a Digital Spread Sprectrum 5.8 system. Guess I'll buy anything but Vtech from now on!




Posted by: keefer

Quote:
Argh! I think I have one of the Vtech hybrids too! The manual (Vtech 5825) says:
TRANSMIT FREQUENCY
Base: 5744.736 - 5825.952 MHz
Handset: 2401.056 - 2482.272 MHz

RECEIVE FREQUENCY
Base: 2401.056 - 2482.272 MHz
Handset: 5744.736 - 5825.952 MHz

And Vtech pitches this on the package and their web site as a Digital Spread Sprectrum 5.8 system. Guess I'll buy anything but Vtech from now on!


Yes, however I spent some money and got a Panasonic phone system which is a true 5 ghz but unfortunately it still didn't help me. My WiFi or something else was still klobbering the bluetooth module which was basically rendering the Dock-n-Talk useless. I ended up having to purchase a docking cable and hook it up to my phone, and unfortunately I lost my caller ID by doing that on my particular phone (Katana). But... it does work and work well with the wired cable! Some callers do experience some echos on the remote end but other than that it's tolerable, especially considering what I am saving per month over a landline!

I left a nastygram on VTechs site and told them they should not mislabel their phones as 5ghz when they are hybrids and not true 5ghz. It's simply false advertising.

Considering I'm out the cost of my bluetooth module which I was not pleased with at all (buyer beware!) and my cost of purchasing the Panasonic system which I did not need as it still didn't solve my issue with the Bluetooth module, this was certainly an expensive experiment. However, still overall I'm happy that I could drop my landline as we have an independent tel here locally and basic service with only touch tone and caller ID was costing me $46/month. Needless to say despite the other expenditures it's already paid for itself!


Posted by: French

Quote:
Originally Posted by keefer
Yes, however I spent some money and got a Panasonic phone system which is a true 5 ghz but unfortunately it still didn't help me. My WiFi or something else was still klobbering the bluetooth module which was basically rendering the Dock-n-Talk useless. I ended up having to purchase a docking cable and hook it up to my phone, and unfortunately I lost my caller ID by doing that on my particular phone (Katana). But... it does work and work well with the wired cable! Some callers do experience some echos on the remote end but other than that it's tolerable, especially considering what I am saving per month over a landline!

I left a nastygram on VTechs site and told them they should not mislabel their phones as 5ghz when they are hybrids and not true 5ghz. It's simply false advertising.

Considering I'm out the cost of my bluetooth module which I was not pleased with at all (buyer beware!) and my cost of purchasing the Panasonic system which I did not need as it still didn't solve my issue with the Bluetooth module, this was certainly an expensive experiment. However, still overall I'm happy that I could drop my landline as we have an independent tel here locally and basic service with only touch tone and caller ID was costing me $46/month. Needless to say despite the other expenditures it's already paid for itself!


I have a Panasonic phone system (2 handsets) AND wifi in my house, with no issues with the Dock-N-Talk.

I truly don't think your issue is with WiFi or the 5 ghz phone system. In fact, at one point I had 2 Dock-N-Talks working in my house, plus wifi and 2 different 5 ghz phone systems.


Posted by: kudzu53

Appears it might be a alternative to consider over the DNT. Literature says it supports 5 cell phones via BT, 10 BT headsets to the base units, and 8 handsets.

Limited set of cell and BT headset compatibility though.

Also appears to be 2.4 ghz and not 5.8.


Posted by: kudzu53

Quote:
Originally Posted by kudzu53
Appears it might be a alternative to consider over the DNT. Literature says it supports 5 cell phones via BT, 10 BT headsets to the base units, and 8 handsets.

Limited set of cell and BT headset compatibility though.

Also appears to be 2.4 ghz and not 5.8.


Well, I just answered my own question, the reviews on Amazon list the design flaws: http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-KX-...e/dp/B000F8J3BO


Posted by: WaltA

I have a two-line Uniden cordless phone, full 5.8GHz in both directions. One line is my landline, and the other is my DnT.

I have WiFi, too, but that is at least 30 feet away from my DnT, and my cell phone is just inches away. So, the Bluetooth connection seems to never any problems.

As to your wired connection not providing Caller ID info, whereas your Bluetooth connection did, that is the first time I have heard of features going that way. Usually, it is the wired connection which supports more features, than the Bluetooth. That has nothing to do with the wired connection or Bluetooth capabilities, but rather just how much time and effort the cell phone manufacturers put into each.

I know that my V3c does not support "VM Indicator on" / "VM Indicator off" over Bluetooth. So, even though the DnT supports this, I can't subsiquently have my cordless phone's VM indicator (red LED) turn 'on' and 'off'. So, when I am at home, I have to actually walk over to my cell phone to check for new VM msgs.


Posted by: THECiscoKid

UPDATE -

SO..the same day I posted this, I sent an e-mail to Tech support(when you call in you get Customer service.. )

Two minutes of trouble shooting and GREG? from TS said is was a bad bluetooth module....for my troubles, the sent me one overnight....

Plugged it in, went through the paring, and it works like a charm.

I have this connected to one of our (Cisco) Data routers that provides voice (phone system with Vociemail and auto-attendant). WORKS LIKE A CHAMP.

Now I can roll out my mobile demo WITH DIAL TONE anywhere I go.

Great job PhoneLabs. GREAT PRODUCT, GOOD SUPPORT.

Wish they had a "double bluetooth" version (one on each side) AND had it built in instead of hanging off the side.

From me...three thumbs up (x2) GRIN!



Quote:
Originally Posted by THECiscoKid
So I am impressed with the loyalty to the product and I dropped $200+ to get the DNT and the BT module. Showed up a week later UPS and I tried to set it up.

In the directions it tells you to press the "pairing" button until both the DNT and BT lights flash rapidly. Well.....the DNT would and the BT wouldn't...so..>I logged a call into Tech support. Seems they are having problems with the wrong firmware shipping...So, I send it back to them (same day I get it) to get the firmware upgraded. I overnight it out and confirm they got it the next day. A week later (today) I get it back.

I power it up and press the pairing button again...much to my dismay....same problem. Now I am frustrated!

Has anyone else had similar issues?

Everyone seems to be very happy with it..I actually bought this for a "unique" special project that I was going to go live with 2 days ago. Little thing is letting me down so far.



Posted by: keefer

Quote:
Originally Posted by French
I have a Panasonic phone system (2 handsets) AND wifi in my house, with no issues with the Dock-N-Talk.

I truly don't think your issue is with WiFi or the 5 ghz phone system. In fact, at one point I had 2 Dock-N-Talks working in my house, plus wifi and 2 different 5 ghz phone systems.


I'm sure it's not the 5ghz phone system, and you might be correct on the WiFi. When I disconnected the WiFi completely it did seem to work better, but after 24 to 48 hours the Bluetooth Module would still disconnect from my Katana phone. I finally gave up and got the dang cable. Now I have no caller ID but it does work fairly well, other than the caller on the other end sometimes gets a bad echo.


Posted by: keefer

Quote:
Originally Posted by WaltA

I have WiFi, too, but that is at least 30 feet away from my DnT, and my cell phone is just inches away. So, the Bluetooth connection seems to never any problems.

As to your wired connection not providing Caller ID info, whereas your Bluetooth connection did, that is the first time I have heard of features going that way. Usually, it is the wired connection which supports more features, than the Bluetooth. That has nothing to do with the wired connection or Bluetooth capabilities, but rather just how much time and effort the cell phone manufacturers put into each.


It may be just a problem with this particular model phone. It was a new model at the time.

As for the caller ID not passing on the cable, I knew that wasn't going to work as PhoneLabs' web site states that it won't.


Posted by: Mark_Venture

Quote:
Originally Posted by WaltA
I know that my V3c does not support "VM Indicator on" / "VM Indicator off" over Bluetooth. So, even though the DnT supports this, I can't subsiquently have my cordless phone's VM indicator (red LED) turn 'on' and 'off'. So, when I am at home, I have to actually walk over to my cell phone to check for new VM msgs.

Well, here is how I get around it...

When the VM indictor on my panasonic's are flashing... I walk over to the V3C... read the text messages, or call voice mail and listen to them all... then I use the phone's menu option to "Drop" the DNT... the V3C stays disconnected long enough that the VM indictor on my wired phones go out, and the DNT auto-connects itself again like it always does...

Yeah, its a pain... especially if people keep sending me text messages... but at least its something...


Posted by: WaltA

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark_Venture
When the VM indictor on my panasonic's are flashing... I walk over to the V3C... read the text messages, or call voice mail and listen to them all... then I use the phone's menu option to "Drop" the DNT... the V3C stays disconnected long enough that the VM indictor on my wired phones go out, and the DNT auto-connects itself again like it always does...


Mark, the VM indicators on your landline Panasonic phones, flashes to indicate that a new Txt Msg is waiting (but doesn't indicate that a new VM is waiting)?

I very rarely get Txt Msgs. So, I haven't experienced that yet.

However, my DnT has never turn 'on' the VM indicator on my Uniden landline phones. I have always assumed it was a limitation of the V3c's Bluetooth supported features.


Posted by: phoneking

I took a Verizon business line I had in my house and used LNP (local number portability) to move the number to a cell phone. It is saving me $100 per month. What a deal!

Also, you cannot use fax or modem tones over a digital voice cellular network. The digital compression used will kill the tones.


Posted by: Mark_Venture

Quote:
Originally Posted by WaltA
Mark, the VM indicators on your landline Panasonic phones, flashes to indicate that a new Txt Msg is waiting (but doesn't indicate that a new VM is waiting)?

I very rarely get Txt Msgs. So, I haven't experienced that yet.

However, my DnT has never turn 'on' the VM indicator on my Uniden landline phones. I have always assumed it was a limitation of the V3c's Bluetooth supported features.

No... both text and VM's turn on the "voice mail waiting" indicator of my panasonics...

To clear the VM waiting on the panasonics, I have to retrieve all voice mails, and read all text messages on the cell (so the Cell's message icons turn off)... then drop the BT connection to the DNT, and the phone re-connects...

Panasonic's VM Waiting indicator stays off until the next text or VM i get on the cell.

Does it with my E815, Chocolate, enV, and my V3C (with alltel firmware)... i can't check how that feature works with my BB Pearl, because I have it set to forward calls to the office phone if I don't answer it (so I only get VM messages in one place... the office.)

I think it did the same when the V3C had the Verizon 1.15.04 firmware on it... but I only had it on for a couple hours before I flashed to alltel and that was before Christmas so my brain is fuzzy.

With my V710... it worked as expected... listen to all voice mails on cell... message icons on cell turned off... a few seconds later... the panasonic's VM indicator went off... I did NOT have to drop the connection... and I don't think text messges tripped the panasonic's VM indicator... but I didn't do much texting back then...


Posted by: phoneking

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark_Venture
No... both text and VM's turn on the "voice mail waiting" indicator of my panasonics...

To clear the VM waiting on the panasonics, I have to retrieve all voice mails, and read all text messages on the cell (so the Cell's message icons turn off)... then drop the BT connection to the DNT, and the phone re-connects...

Panasonic's VM Waiting indicator stays off until the next text or VM i get on the cell.

Does it with my E815, Chocolate, enV, and my V3C (with alltel firmware)... i can't check how that feature works with my BB Pearl, because I have it set to forward calls to the office phone if I don't answer it (so I only get VM messages in one place... the office.)

I think it did the same when the V3C had the Verizon 1.15.04 firmware on it... but I only had it on for a couple hours before I flashed to alltel and that was before Christmas so my brain is fuzzy.

With my V710... it worked as expected... listen to all voice mails on cell... message icons on cell turned off... a few seconds later... the panasonic's VM indicator went off... I did NOT have to drop the connection... and I don't think text messges tripped the panasonic's VM indicator... but I didn't do much texting back then...


If you check your messages from your cell phone, it is very easy to turn off your message indication. Just press and hold down the 1 key on your phone system for 1 second provided that it makes continuous touch tones. Then, as it dials into your voice mail, hang up. If your home phones support only the short tone no matter how long you press the key, then dial 1# to clear the message indication. I use it all the time, very easy.

Even better, check your messages from your regular home phone using the long 1 or 1# and after you get your messages, it will go off automatically. Cell phones today send the same signal for all types of messages so devices cannot discern between text, voice, multimedia, etc. The manual says you can also do speed dialing by pressing the number 2-9 as a long tone or 2-9# for short tone phones and it will dial the number that you have stored in that location. Voice dialing is actived by a long # or 0#.


Posted by: Mark_Venture

Quote:
Originally Posted by phoneking
If you check your messages from your cell phone, it is very easy to turn off your message indication. Just press and hold down the 1 key on your phone system for 1 second provided that it makes continuous touch tones. Then, as it dials into your voice mail, hang up. If your home phones support only the short tone no matter how long you press the key, then dial 1# to clear the message indication. I use it all the time, very easy.

Even better, check your messages from your regular home phone using the long 1 or 1# and after you get your messages, it will go off automatically. Cell phones today send the same signal for all types of messages so devices cannot discern between text, voice, multimedia, etc. The manual says you can also do speed dialing by pressing the number 2-9 as a long tone or 2-9# for short tone phones and it will dial the number that you have stored in that location. Voice dialing is actived by a long # or 0#.

thanks, but check back in the thread and you'll see that does not work for me, which is why I have to do it the way I do...

that is one of the things I wrote phone labs about... and they do not have an answer for.... along with trying to answer call waiting drops BOTH callers


Posted by: WaltA

Quote:
Originally Posted by phoneking
If you check your messages from your cell phone, it is very easy to turn off your message indication. Just press and hold down the 1 key on your phone system for 1 second provided that it makes continuous touch tones. Then, as it dials into your voice mail, hang up. If your home phones support only the short tone no matter how long you press the key, then dial 1# to clear the message indication. I use it all the time, very easy.


That turns off the VM indicator 'on' the phone itself, but I think some phones don't, in turn, send the VM indicator 'off' command onto the DnT. At least from all I have read, that is true. People have reported they need to do a power cycle to get the VM indicator on the DnT 'off'.


Posted by: WaltA

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark_Venture
Does it with my E815, Chocolate, enV, and my V3C (with alltel firmware)...

...

I think it did the same when the V3C had the Verizon 1.15.04 firmware on it... but I only had it on for a couple hours before I flashed to alltel and that was before Christmas so my brain is fuzzy.


My V3c still has the Verizon 1.15.04 firmware. Going from what others have reported, like the VM indicator doesn't work in their car, I just assumed it was a Verizon firmware bug in their Bluetooth code (but not in their USB code). Though, if it does work for you, that must instead mean it is really a Uniden bug.

Thanks.


Posted by: phoneking

Quote:
Originally Posted by WaltA
That turns off the VM indicator 'on' the phone itself, but I think some phones don't, in turn, send the VM indicator 'off' command onto the DnT. At least from all I have read, that is true. People have reported they need to do a power cycle to get the VM indicator on the DnT 'off'.


No, that cannot turn off the vm indication on the phone, only the DNT can do that. You see it going off on the home phones because the DNT sends the command to turn it off. No power cycle is necessary. The DNT gives two kinds of message indication, both a stuttered dial tone and a FSK signal. By pressing the "1" key to check the voice messages, both are turned off by the DNT. They told me the only issue is that cell phones send the same signal for vm messages, text and multimedia messages.


Posted by: phoneking

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mark_Venture
thanks, but check back in the thread and you'll see that does not work for me, which is why I have to do it the way I do...

that is one of the things I wrote phone labs about... and they do not have an answer for.... along with trying to answer call waiting drops BOTH callers


I have read that some Razrs need a firmware updated to fix the bug for call waiting over bluetooth. Mine works fine with call waiting. Try getting a new flash of your cell phone.


Posted by: Mark_Venture

Quote:
Originally Posted by phoneking
I have read that some Razrs need a firmware updated to fix the bug for call waiting over bluetooth. Mine works fine with call waiting. Try getting a new flash of your cell phone.

as for V3C firmware, I've tried the Verizon 1.15.04 and 1.18.02 (the latest), and it is now running the Alltel 4.06 Monster.

E815 I've tried the two verizon releases 1.17.03 and 1.1E.00

Chocolate has had T85VZW01, T85VZW03, and T85VZW04

enV is T99VZW01.

Since it does it with my Moto E815, LG enV, LG Chocolate, Blackberry 7290 and the Moto V3C... so its difficult to believe its truely cell phone firmware related..


Posted by: torifile

We had been happily using the DNT with the SE cable until we switched to Sprint. Now we have to use the bluetooth module with our new Samsung m610. The bluetooth connection is pretty crappy. It's crackly and will often not re-connect if the connection's been lost. I'd like to go back to using a cable system but it looks like phonelabs isn't making cables for new phones with bluetooth.

Any pointers on improving BT quality? Any fixes for these re-connection problems?


Posted by: WaltA

I had been using my DnT for years, using a cable to my SE phone. When I switched to the V3c, I too had to switch to bluetooth. However, I really haven't had any problems with bluetooth. For me, the sound quality using bluetooth is as good as it was with the cable.

I still have to plug in the charging cable. So, using bluetooth isn't saving me the trouble of having to plug and unplug a cable all the time.


Posted by: WaltA

Quote:
Originally Posted by phoneking
No, that cannot turn off the vm indication on the phone, only the DNT can do that. You see it going off on the home phones because the DNT sends the command to turn it off. No power cycle is necessary. The DNT gives two kinds of message indication, both a stuttered dial tone and a FSK signal. By pressing the "1" key to check the voice messages, both are turned off by the DNT. They told me the only issue is that cell phones send the same signal for vm messages, text and multimedia messages.


Oh, I didn't know that the DnT will turn 'off' the home phone VM indicators all on its own, without needing a "VM Indicator Off" command from the cell phone. Thanks for the clarification.

Though, if one retrieves their VM message another way, and the cell phone's own VM indicator turns 'off', I guess the DnT will not do the same. When I am home, I always use the direct "backdoor" VM number so that it doesn't cost me any minutes.


Posted by: Mark_Venture

Quote:
Originally Posted by torifile
We had been happily using the DNT with the SE cable until we switched to Sprint. Now we have to use the bluetooth module with our new Samsung m610. The bluetooth connection is pretty crappy. It's crackly and will often not re-connect if the connection's been lost. I'd like to go back to using a cable system but it looks like phonelabs isn't making cables for new phones with bluetooth.

Any pointers on improving BT quality? Any fixes for these re-connection problems?
When I first got my DnT, I used it via cable with my Moto T730. I had two cables to plug into the phone... One for Mic/Earpiece jack, and the second to the connector on the bottom of the phone... Having a desktop charger/dock that I just "set" the phone in to charge it, What a pain to now have to instead make these two connections. Plus I noticed, using the DNT to charge the phone, It didn't charge as fast... and I could still run the Cell Phone's battery dead in about 4hrs of talk using the DNT... And the phone had to lay on its back, which impacted its getting a signal (at least according to the bars)

Just slightly under two years ago, when I got my Moto V710, I decided to get a BT Module for the DnT and use it that way.. I would come home, set the phone in the desktop charger, and not have to worry about connecting cables.. The desktop charger sits the phone up straight, so I get better reception (more bars than laying flat)... plus the battery stays charged better using the desktop charger.

As for "static" or crackle... Put the phone as close to the DNT as you can. With my Moto V710, I can just walk thru the condo door, it connects to the DNT and its CLEAR... with my Moto E815, the cell has to be within about 20 feet of the DNT to be clear... with my Moto V3C it has to be within 10 feet... with my LG Chocolate or enV, about 5 feet or less... Beyond those distances... I hear static on my "wired phones" but the other end doesn't.

Most of the time, I put the phone (V710 and E815) on the charger, which is about 3 inches from the DNT.. or lay it on the corner of the dresser (lg choco or enV) within 6 inches of the DNT.

Remember, when it comes to bluetooth... 2.4ghz is its frequency... so Wi-Fi and cordless phones can sometimes interfere, as can microwave ovens and appliances... so keep the cell phone and DNT in a room without that if possible... Mine is on the dresser in my bed room (on outside wall of the house) which has my TV, the 5.8ghz cordless, cell phone charger and the DnT... Other than the dvd player & cable box (on shelf next to dresser), alarm clock, and lights, there are no other electronic devices (room is 13x16)


Posted by: phoneking

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Originally Posted by torifile
We had been happily using the DNT with the SE cable until we switched to Sprint. Now we have to use the bluetooth module with our new Samsung m610. The bluetooth connection is pretty crappy. It's crackly and will often not re-connect if the connection's been lost. I'd like to go back to using a cable system but it looks like phonelabs isn't making cables for new phones with bluetooth.

Any pointers on improving BT quality? Any fixes for these re-connection problems?


Make sure you don't have 2.4ghz cordless phones or 5.8ghz hybrid cordless phones since they will cause lots of noise in your bluetooth audio. Also, some Wifi b/g routers will also create noise in the frequency. Turn them all off and see how quiet it is. Once you know it can work quietly, turn on the Wifi first and test again. If it is still quiet, start connecting your cordless phones and you will hear when the noise starts.


Posted by: phoneking

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Originally Posted by WaltA
Oh, I didn't know that the DnT will turn 'off' the home phone VM indicators all on its own, without needing a "VM Indicator Off" command from the cell phone. Thanks for the clarification.

Though, if one retrieves their VM message another way, and the cell phone's own VM indicator turns 'off', I guess the DnT will not do the same. When I am home, I always use the direct "backdoor" VM number so that it doesn't cost me any minutes.


If the cell phone provides an off indication, the DNT will turn off the home phones. But if your cell phone doesn't do that, just use the press of the "1" key to turn the indicators off.


Posted by: torifile

Ok. Maybe I'm dull, but how do I make sure that my cordless phones are far from the DnT? I've got one of those systems with one "base" and several remote units but the base needs to be connected to the phone line/the DnT. Right? Am I missing something?


Posted by: phoneking

Quote:
Originally Posted by torifile
Ok. Maybe I'm dull, but how do I make sure that my cordless phones are far from the DnT? I've got one of those systems with one "base" and several remote units but the base needs to be connected to the phone line/the DnT. Right? Am I missing something?


If you are going to use 2.4ghz or 5,8ghz hybrid cordless phones, you will need to keep your cordless phones away from your bluetooth connection. this can be done by using your home wiring. Plug the DNT into a wall jack in one room and connect your cordless base into wall jack in another room. Just make sure you use a "free" pair of wires in your home that don't have a land line already connected. The DNT creates a land line out of your cellular service so you can't connect 2 land lines together.


Posted by: torifile

Strange. I just tried and when the phone cable was plugged into one of the ports on the back of the DnT, I got a red light on it. I put it in the other port and flipped the switch and it was green but there was no dial tone on my handset. We've never had a landline in this house so I don't know if there's a problem with the wiring (the previous owners had one and it worked) or what. Any ideas?


Posted by: Mark_Venture

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Originally Posted by torifile
Strange. I just tried and when the phone cable was plugged into one of the ports on the back of the DnT, I got a red light on it. I put it in the other port and flipped the switch and it was green but there was no dial tone on my handset. We've never had a landline in this house so I don't know if there's a problem with the wiring (the previous owners had one and it worked) or what. Any ideas?
Single line telephones use the Line1 pairs of the phone jacks...

In most homes, the Line 1 pairs are wired, connected, and ready to use with wired service from the phone company... so when you make use of the DNT, you need to use the Line2 Pairs which are usually free, and set the switch on the back of the DNT accordingly...

Example.. Even though my Condo doesn't have wired service from the phone company anymore... the L1 pairs are still "hot" and can not be used with the DNT....

So, how do you use the L2 pairs with an L1 phone?? Flip the switch on the DNT to L2, use a standard 4wire cable to go from the DNT to the wall jack...

Then do one of the following....

1. get something like this from Radio Shack -> 2-Line, 3-Way Jack Adapter (White) Model: 279-432 Catalog #: 279-432 and plug that into your wall jack in the room where you want your wired phone to be, and plug your "wired phone" into the L2 port on it...

2. make your own cables which take the L2 pairs at one end, and feed them to the correct positions for L1 at the other... then use those special cables between your wall jack and wired phone...

3. take the wall jack off the wall, and re-connect the in the wall wires to the back of the wall jack so the L2 pairs from the wire, are connected to the L1 positions on the wall plate...

I'm doing option 2. But Option 2 and 3 are the most difficult, as you must wire them correctly, or you could harm the DNT or your wired phone...


Posted by: phoneking

Quote:
Originally Posted by torifile
Strange. I just tried and when the phone cable was plugged into one of the ports on the back of the DnT, I got a red light on it. I put it in the other port and flipped the switch and it was green but there was no dial tone on my handset. We've never had a landline in this house so I don't know if there's a problem with the wiring (the previous owners had one and it worked) or what. Any ideas?


Since you don't have a land line just go to the NID, the network interface device, on the outside of your house and disconnect the phone company wires coming into the box. That will remove the phone company power and the free the DNT to power your phones on line 1. Then just connect them normally.


Posted by: torifile

Thanks for the advice, but that Radio Shack thing didn't work. No signal when connected to it at all. Any ideas? I'm thinking of going really old skool and trying a normal wired handset with the DNT to see how it works. Or I may just get some 5.8 ghz phones. If they don't work, I can take them back. I don't plan on getting rid of my wifi or microwave just to use the DNT (there really should be a better solution than that!) so if that doesn't work, I don't know what other options we've got.

After all this time, is there no other solution to this problem?


Posted by: French

I'm using the 5.8 Ghz phones throughout my house with wifi and microwave and experience no issues at all.


Posted by: phoneking

Quote:
Originally Posted by torifile
Thanks for the advice, but that Radio Shack thing didn't work. No signal when connected to it at all. Any ideas? I'm thinking of going really old skool and trying a normal wired handset with the DNT to see how it works. Or I may just get some 5.8 ghz phones. If they don't work, I can take them back. I don't plan on getting rid of my wifi or microwave just to use the DNT (there really should be a better solution than that!) so if that doesn't work, I don't know what other options we've got.

After all this time, is there no other solution to this problem?


When you used the Radio Shack splitter, did you connect your phone to the L2 jack and switch the DNT to L2? If so, it should work fine unless your home is not correctly wired at the jacks. If you go to 5.8ghz, make sure it is a pure 5.8ghz and not a hybrid with 2.4ghz.


Posted by: billp

where might i find one for the lg vx 8300


Posted by: cnr1109

My U520 is pairing, but not connecting with DNT. When I try my V551, it has no problems with the same DNT via bluetooth. The BT icon on the Samsung changes occasionally between connected and not connected. The DNT green and blue led's continue to flash. The Samsung is a foot away from the DNT. I have v1.07 on the DNT. No other 2.4ghz in the area.




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