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Treo 650 = $#!+
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Posted by: spjonm3

I have to rant here.. I have to say that the Treo 650 is the worst phone/PDA ever made. This thing crashes all the time, the sound is low from the speakers, and the reception is worse than the SE P900 (which doesn't have an antenna). I want my P900 back soo much!!!

I will say it has a great screen, and I like the keyboard as well. But that's not enough to makeup for the severe shortcomings of this phone.

Posted by: 1V4N

I've got to say that you probably have a bad batch, or early firmware.

One thing you may want to verify, is if the crashes are caused by third-party programs.

I have no problems with the Treo 650.

Good luck in resolving your issues.

Posted by: spjonm3

Latest firmware from Palm one and no 3rd part apps installed, just have a 1gb SD card for some pics.

Posted by: WoNGsTeR

hmmm.. maybe defective?... i've had no problem with my treo 650 at all... maybe it crashes 1 or 2 times a month.. and thats only while using 3rd party software... my reception is amazing.. the speaker phone is not the greatest though.... but besides that.. i am happy..

Posted by: LetsGoFlyers

Considering all the millions of satisfied Treo owners that have made it the most popular smartphone in the world, I seriously doubt it's the worst PDA phone ever made. It's more likely you got a bad unit.

Posted by: HF 1 Is Yo Daddy

The worst PDA phone ever made has to be the Moto MPX220. Now that is pure crap.

Posted by: SFLA99

No problems here either,

So far solid as a rock, no crashes and nothing, I also have no additional 3rd patry apps, well Docs2go but that comes with the disk

I also have a 512m SD card for MP3s and pics, runs great, I also will attest to the low volume, but if you want you could always just get Volumecare and then blow yer eardrums out

for me its fine, I am sure eventually an update will adjust volume since most people agree its too low from the start. Aside from that this thing is awesome

Cheers!

Posted by: Smahatma2

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Originally Posted by LetsGoFlyers

Considering all the millions of satisfied Treo owners that have made it the most popular smartphone in the world, I seriously doubt it's the worst PDA phone ever made. It's more likely you got a bad unit.

You make it seem like theres a market for the device outside north america

Posted by: WiggyFife

All's good and working well here w/ my T650!!! no resets yet (on my one & only replacement)!!!

Posted by: fbi114

go with the 910.. the hell with Treo.. J/K guys

Posted by: racarusotheoreo

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Originally Posted by SFLA99

No problems here either,

So far solid as a rock, no crashes and nothing, I also have no additional 3rd patry apps...

Then you're cheating.
Seeing as my 650 would crash and burn launching VersaMail.

You fix your elections, too?

Posted by: SFLA99

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Originally Posted by racarusotheoreo

Then you're cheating.
Seeing as my 650 would crash and burn launching VersaMail.

You fix your elections, too?

Not sure why yours had so much issue, but I use versamail 10+ times a day with out hitch, I have it check roughly 5 email accounts every hour abd so far it works great, I am however considering trying snappermail though.

Elections? lol... Catherin Harris can burn in h311!!!!

Hehehe

Posted by: Paul-the-Phone

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Originally Posted by Smahatma2

You make it seem like theres a market for the device outside north america

Number one best selling smartphone in Brazil. Number one in twenty-nine other countries.

Posted by: LetsGoFlyers

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Originally Posted by Paul-the-Phone

Number one best selling smartphone in Brazil. Number one in twenty-nine other countries.

Yup. Orange carries it and the unlocked GSM model can be used on any GSM carrier. It's a quad band world phone...

Posted by: Highline

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Originally Posted by spjonm3

I have to rant here.. I have to say that the Treo 650 is the worst phone/PDA ever made. This thing crashes all the time, the sound is low from the speakers, and the reception is worse than the SE P900 (which doesn't have an antenna). I want my P900 back soo much!!!

I will say it has a great screen, and I like the keyboard as well. But that's not enough to makeup for the severe shortcomings of this phone.

Amen brother.

Sent mine back within 48 hours of getting it!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: tenorsaw

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Originally Posted by Highline

Amen brother.

Sent mine back within 48 hours of getting it!!!!!!!!!

Same here. I thought this was the ultimate phone/PDA until it started rebooting every other minute. It was doing this straight out of the box, no third party software involved. If the rumors are true about the next version shipping with Windows, I'll give that a shot.

Posted by: spjonm3

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Originally Posted by tenorsaw

If the rumors are true about the next version shipping with Windows, I'll give that a shot.

Geee.. I wonder why they are going to Windows??!! Maybe cause Palm OS is CRAP!!!!

...

Well.. it gets even better with my phone (if you could call it that...). My phone now just shuts off.. the PDA doesn't turn off, just the phone. What kinda $#!+ is this...

Now I searched the web and have found that all sorts of people have crashing and rebooting problems with this phone. I have a friend who has one and said all I need to do is run an app that reboots the phone and that I should run it at least once a week. I was like WTF!!! I have to reboot my every week??!!! And you cant install anything on the phone for fear of the phone crashing??? wow.. I can't believe you people put up with this. Anybody want to by a pile of crap for $400??

Posted by: mobilevader

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Originally Posted by spjonm3

Don't you hate it when someone says, "you musta got a bad one," or "mine works great."

You know the T650 is the worst phone/pda on the market. I now know a sixth person that had one and returned. Maybe we all got the same batch? Hmmm considering we are across different states and purchased at different times, I don't think so.

If someone ask me about the treo or state they are thinking of buying one, this is how I look:

Now motorola is about to serve palm its head on a platter:

http://direct.motorola.com/hellomoto/famlaunch/A2/

(note: must have flash).

Q is about to give it to 'em.

palm --->

<----- motorola

Posted by: LetsGoFlyers

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Originally Posted by mobilevader

Now motorola is about to serve palm its head on a platter:

http://direct.motorola.com/hellomoto/famlaunch/A2/

(note: must have flash).

Q is about to give it to 'em.

palm --->

<----- motorola

I'm not saying you guys don't have valid complaints, but look at it this way. The Treo wouldn't be the best selling PDA phone on the market if it was a POS. There are going to be quality control issues on any product and there are going to be bad units out there. I'm not saying it's a bad batch or that the two or three people who posted about bad Treos in this thread are the only ones that have them. However you have to realize you are in fact in the small minority. The vast majority of people who own Treos are happy with them because they work. If not, Handspring -> PalmOne -> Palm would be getting raked over the coals, losing money, and would be in big trouble. Of course there are going to be bum units but that doesn't mean the Treo sucks, it just means YOUR Treo sucked.

The vocal minority is always louder than the quiet majority. People who are upset and mad will boast their opinions more than someone who is happy and doesn't demand satisfaction. So you may very well see more complaints about Treos on forums such as this than people with random posts saying, "I love my Treo!"

As for the Motorola Q, it's not a threat to Palm or the Treo. It has the Smartphone OS, not PPC. That means it's a glorified phone with enhanced PIM. There's no touch screen which makes navigating around a real PDA next to impossible, and that's just the beginning of where the Q falls short against the Treo. An MS Smartphone can't really be used full time to completely replace a stand alone PDA. Only Palm and PPC Windows Mobile devices can do that. But people don't realize that the Q isn't meant to go head to head with the Treo. Except for the candybar form factor and QWERTY keyboard, it's really just an updated MPX220. Was the MPX200 or 220 a Treo killer? It wasn't because it didn't stack up against what the Treo can do. The Q is no exception, it just looks a little more like it, that's all.

Posted by: Paul-the-Phone

Despite the rumors, the next generation Treo is going to run Palm OS on top of Linux which should solve any stability problems. Palm OS is already much more stable than any version of Windows from Mobile to XP. LG has signed contracts and is about to manufacture its own smartphones using the Palm OS. The CEO of Palm Source said the company is concentrating all its resources on development of the Linux-based Palm OS. See article at Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/technology/20..._0630linux.html It's still a year away. News of LG's entry into the Palm OS market is at: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050706/sfw029.html?.v=17

Posted by: WoNGsTeR

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Originally Posted by Paul-the-Phone

Despite the rumors, the next generation Treo is going to run Palm OS on top of Linux which should solve any stability problems. Palm OS is already much more stable than any version of Windows from Mobile to XP. LG has signed contracts and is about to manufacture its own smartphones using the Palm OS. The CEO of Palm Source said the company is concentrating all its resources on development of the Linux-based Palm OS. See article at Forbes: http://www.forbes.com/technology/20..._0630linux.html It's still a year away. News of LG's entry into the Palm OS market is at: http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050706/sfw029.html?.v=17

woohoooooo.. i was very upset when i heard the rumor palm was going to use windows on their next model...

Posted by: clenaghen

I purchased a Treo 650 unlocked GSM in early July and immediately had problems with it locking up (as several people here have also experienced). Would happen a couple times a day, and at worse, several times a day. I had upgraded the firmware to the latest with no fix in the problems. I finally punted and sent it back for a replacement. Over 3 weeks later I received my replacement and after over a week now, I have not had a single lockup. In my opinion, this is the best PDA/phone I have ever used. I WILL say that it appears that Palm has some quality control issues. But, now I am quite pleased. I couldnt be happier with the Treo!

Posted by: LetsGoFlyers

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Originally Posted by WoNGsTeR

woohoooooo.. i was very upset when i heard the rumor palm was going to use windows on their next model...

The "rumors" about Palm and Windows Mobile are possibly true. As time goes on there seems to be more and more evidence supporting this. However I firmly believe that IF Palm releases a WM Treo, it will be to compliment their Palm OS Treo. I can't see Palm abandoning the Palm OS, but I can see them licensing WM from MS to broaden their market share. Whether it's the new Linux based Palm, or Cobalt 6.x, expect there to be a Palm OS powered Treo after the 650.

Posted by: clenaghen

That would be a bad move. I used a windows mobile smartphone (iMate Smartphone 2) for about a year and grew to hate it. Up till rescently I have been a huge Windows CE, Pocket PC, Windows Mobile biggot and didnt realize how much better the Palm OS was until I got my 650. It took me hours and hours to get my Windows Mobile smartphone to connect to T-mobile's T-zones, and when I got my 650, I was up and running on the internet via t-zones in minutes.

Posted by: Paul-the-Phone

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Originally Posted by LetsGoFlyers

Palm has been building prototype Treos with Windows for years. Sometimes photos and descriptions of authentic phones have made their way into public forums. It would take only a marketing decision to have a Windows Treo on the market in sixty days but Palm has never been certain this would be a money maker having to pay royalties to MS, losing some faithful Palm OS users, taking some customers away from more profitable Palm OS units, losing some Palm OS third party software developers, and backhandedly taking a slap at Palm OS. After the recent split, Palm Source is going 100% Linux-Palm OS (and has bought at least one Linux software company) while Palm Inc. (former onePalm) is considering Windows more seriously. You could even see competition between Palm Source Palm OS Treos and Palm Inc. Windows Treos. This may have been a large part of the cause of the split.

Posted by: paypalbid

I think Treo made it by selling great Palm devices and the Treo600.. Just the Treo 650 has been rushed to release and has many software issues. They are still a good compant with great products. The early release of Treo 650 has set back consumer confidence of their products.

Posted by: mobilevader

[QUOTE=LetsGoFlyers]
As for the Motorola Q, it's not a threat to Palm or the Treo. It has the Smartphone OS, not PPC. QUOTE]

crap man, I did not know that! I am glad you set me correct.

Right when I thought motorola had something... they ruined it.

We need

from this crap Palm is putting out. I understand when you say I HAD trouble with my palm... but I am a palm loyalist. I have had a palm since the first palm pilot. This year alone I have owned T-5, T-650, T-E2... and will get the new T5 (or whatever it is called) when it comes out this year. I am not a palm basher.. or "new to palm."

And it is not even the palm side of the device that sucks... it is the phone side. One of my cousins kept his treo since he said it was the best for him right now. :rolleyes2 He said not perfect, but ok. I think many people agree with him and roll with it.

Posted by: sdog745li

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Originally Posted by spjonm3

My P900 was horrible using the speakerphone... i love my 650.. not really any problems at all...

Posted by: D0lphin

Gosh- after reading this post I know am sketchy on the treo. I would lose all the perks to move from blue to orange. I am not sure if it is worth the gamble? Anyway, what programs are included in the software bundle?

Posted by: mobilevader

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Originally Posted by D0lphin

Gosh- after reading this post I know am sketchy on the treo. I would lose all the perks to move from blue to orange. I am not sure if it is worth the gamble? Anyway, what programs are included in the software bundle?

Palm.com will show you everything included... further info can be found at the provider of choice. There are also millions of other "free" and not so free software available online.... try treocentral.com for your ????s.

Good luck! Hope you don't feel

I am

for you.

Posted by: medenblik

well I own and use both the MPx220 and TREO 650. Both of my phones have no problems or issues, unless you call the battery on my MPX220 only lasts 48 hours an issue. MY treo runs smooth I updated it and have had no issues and sound quality is good. The sound quality is also great on my MPx220 with 3.46ROM

I like both phones, but I want one maybe the new TREO 670 if it has wireless inside when in debuts

Posted by: D0lphin

I have been reading reviews on this thing for a couple nights. There seems to be almost a 50/50 split for or against it. I thought it was the bee's knees. I guess I will stay with the nokia 6620.

Posted by: gene9

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Originally Posted by spjonm3

My Treo was working great for a few days, then I loaded up a bunch of apps at once, then crashes galore. The crashes are due to bad 3rd party programs.

Like in my case, I isolated my bad actors down to TimeCopy (possible conflict with the 650's network time update) and IBM Jave WebDev thingy (used to run Kmaps, which I wasn't really impressed with). With those two programs gone, additional file removal with FileZ, and a warm reset, I no longer have the crashes. Now I know to load one program at a time and let it run for a day to see how it works out. I think it's the programs that act as either system hacks of sort or otherwise do things in the background that'll mess up the 650 if not programed properly. Like in the case of VeriChat, no problems whatsoever.

Posted by: racarusotheoreo

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Originally Posted by D0lphin

I have been reading reviews on this thing for a couple nights. There seems to be almost a 50/50 split for or against it.

Well, thats probably because the other 50% haven't had it longer than a month.

When they do, it will become more and more apparent to them that the Treo line, in general, has many issues, some big and others small. Stability is the major one. A Treo should not be used in ANY data/email mission critical enviroment; as a handset where people expect you to be reachable by voice 24/7; or for the soccer mom who just "wants it to work", or any teenager that can only operate a Samsung anything more technical than using MySpace or text messaging in incomplete english results in this expression:

No way, jose.

For me, as much as I miss the multimedia features of my T650 (I miss watching 24 and the Daily Show in TCMP

, and PocketTunes and my Bravery/Green Day/Sublime albums

), the BlackBerries address my core needs (and camera ban due to work enviroment) at the moment.

It depends on what arena the device is being used in.

I've used Treo's since the first incarnation (Treo 90) in like late 2001. All the way up to the 650. Tried them all at one point in time. The phones in my signature are ones I KEPT...i.e., contract ended, eBay.

The Treo's have some shortcomings. But those are overshadowed by their strengths - of which there are many.