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Posted by: efeingold

Hi,

I was wondering if anyone has tried a 3D Java app on their V902 or SX813...the phones are supposed to have awesome 3D performance, and I was planning to get one just for this reason -- I do 3D Java development.

Thanks for any input you can give me.

-elan

Posted by: efeingold

Had anyone tried to run any Java apps on those phones? If I provided a link to a JAD/JAR using 3D Java, could someone try running an app for me?

Thanks,

-elan

Posted by: ryoaska1

if you provide a location i can dl it through wap i'll try it. as far as i know that's the only way to get a java app to be usable on the phone.

Posted by: efeingold

That's very kind of you, thank you!!!!

The location of the JAD is:

http://www.dailymango.com/test/Cube3D.jad

If you could let me know if it downloads and runs on your phone (and perhaps how fast it seems), I would be eternally grateful.

Thanks,

-elan

Posted by: efeingold

And actually, if you have any trouble at all with that one, you can try JBenchmark3D at this address:

http://wap.jbenchmark.com/index.html

I'd be curious to hear what results your phone gets.

Your phone is (in theory) currently ranked third in 3D out of all the phones that have submitted results. If you can run any downloaded 3D apps, this will really help me out.

Thanks again,

-elan

Posted by: totaltoanage

first off, THANKS! love the red cube motion.

Its true that the sharp 902 has one of the best graphics engine but noone is willing to produce any java apps that will use up any of it. If you can produce some 3D java apps or even games for it then please post it and ill report you the findings.

the red cube flows from left to right continuelessly with numbers on it. It seems that its at 25-30fps cause its very smooth. the exit button does not work somehow. i would have to end it manually.

Posted by: efeingold

Yeah, the exit button is disabled for now, I got lazy 8-)

Thanks for trying, can you tell me what phone you have, what firmware you have on it, what network you're on and where you got the phone? I'd like to pick one up, now that I know that 3D apps work!

Many thanks!

Posted by: totaltoanage

sharp 902 UK verson tmobile ebay. Do you have any more java apps you mind sharing?

Posted by: efeingold

I only have that demo app now, for testing 3D purposes. Once I get the phone I will begin programming away, and I'll keep you all posted!!

Is there any reason you didn't flash it to the SX813 firmware, I've heard that enabled more much stuff. Or maybe you're actually in the UK????

Posted by: totaltoanage

no im in the USA, texas for that matter. if you flash it to the sx813 firware, it only changes the red vodafone theme to a blue smartone theme...thats it, everything else is the same. I might flash my phone later whenever i feel bored of the red color but thats later.

Posted by: efeingold

Oh, interesting! So the MP3 and Bluetooth works for you just fine with 902 firmware?

Posted by: ryoaska1

couldn't get the cube app to download, but i'll try again later. here are my benchmark3d results

Performance
HQ: 449
LQ: 449
Triangles ps: 39992
KTexels ps:5270

don't know how that stacks up. Could you point me to some good material on getting started doing 3d java development. I'd like to play around with developing some stuff for my phone too. right now I do mostly c and c++ development, and i've worked with java before, but no 3d. Actually any good begining development material for java enabled mobile devices would be good.

Thanks!

Posted by: efeingold

Those are awesome performance results. My phone right now (MM7400) gets results about 4 times slower on the HQ/LQ tests and 10 times less on the KTexels/sec.

In terms of development, download the spec for JSR-184 (http://www.jcp.org/en/jsr/detail?id=184). That gives you all the documentation you need, along with some sample programs. I downloaded the Sprint J2ME SDK, and that came with an emulator with which I could test on my desktop before uploading via WAP.

Hope that helps.

Posted by: damo666

hi guys i am a student developer from ireland and see the current potential of the phones i have a 902sh myself and its amazing the only problem is the lack of access to the java app folder tru bluetooth or data cable neway i have tried the jbenchmark 3d and it was amazing if only there were games out there that used the 3d power of the sharp 902.
i found that some of the games that i have written run much faster on nokia and motorola phones is this due to the frame rate?? it isnt the code as i have checked that out already. for instance this game which i wrote : http://www.redbrick.dcu.ie/~damo/Mobile/DredBrick.jad

runs almost 5 times faster on a nokia 3g phone and twice as fast on the new motorola.

Posted by: UncleAllEvil

Everything depends on code and screen resolutions. MIDP 1.0 apps are running fast on Nokia phones, thats true but 2.0... not really.
Another thing is screen resolution and number of colours used for rendering. You can`t compare app running on (maximum) 176x208 65k colour Nokia screen or 160x120~176x220 Moto screen to 240x320 262k Sharp screen. Higher resolution and number of colours needs more CPU power.

Posted by: UncleAllEvil

Uncle got loads of new games from SE S700 and moto e1000, there are 3D games too...

...and I made a simple website with few games for testing:
http://republika.pl/uncleallevil/
First of all, there is d-pad/softkey menu problem (I will call this D/P) so keep in mind that in menu d-pad down works usually as left softkey! Use numeric keypad instead. In game dpad should work as dpad.
These games are recompiled S700/K750 games for moto e1000 that means there are loads of rubish code thats slows down games a lot, however, it seems that sharp has enough cpu power for most of them

Try them, this site is my lab, don`t expect too much sweets!

river_storm_3d_Lub_E1000.jad - D/P, works but with errors due to improper position of 2d elements on 3d screen (game from se k700). I think this can be fixed. Try if you want to see voxel space on your phone

FastAndFurious3D.jad - D/P, works quite well, good graphics, full 3D. Not as fast as it should be but playable, too bad that so much of cpu power is wasted due to this moto-**** in code

I will try to find better version or recompiled with newer software.

call_of_duty_2_s700.jad - havn`t tested yet, expect D/P, should work fine.

GeopodDC_Lub_e1000.jad - this is quite nice race game (Wipeout style), quite fast, very good gfx, D/P problem

the_chaos_engine_s700.jad - Chaos Engine!!! D/P, amaizng game, I love this one

Classic Amiga cult game!

CannonFodder.jad - D/P, another Amiga classic

Another great game! One of the best Team17 games!

Speedchaser3D-e1000.jad - D/P, just for show, gfx errors after few seconds of playing (missing textures). I have another version, will upload later for tests.

doomrpg.jad - Uncle brought ya DOOOM! Doom RPG! Real candy

NO D/P! Everything works as it should be!!! Good gfx, looks like a mix of Doom3 and Wolfenstein 3D

Runs smooth. Really nice game, well made.

JezzBall.jad - just a test for server MIME types. Small, nice game.

Posted by: AL9999

Nice, you got Doom RPG

I bought that one from Vodafone, it's one of the best games I've played on a phone yet. Loved it a lot

Uncle how come all these games have d-pad key mapping issues? Opera Mini 1.1 had that problem too until they fixed it in 1.2...

Also another thing to keep in mind is that Sony Ericsson games run at full 240x320 res, whereas Motorola and Sharp phones run with the status bar at the top, so the games have a real res of 240x295 or something (some Sharp games run at 240x260, because the bottom menu bar hangs around too).

Posted by: UncleAllEvil

Quote:

Originally Posted by AL9999

Nice, you got Doom RPG

I bought that one from Vodafone, it's one of the best games I've played on a phone yet. Loved it a lot

I like this game too, one of the best mobile games I`ve played so far.
Can you try doom from my site? I would like to now if there is any difference to that one you had from vodafone.

Quote:

Uncle how come all these games have d-pad key mapping issues? Opera Mini 1.1 had that problem too until they fixed it in 1.2...
Also another thing to keep in mind is that Sony Ericsson games run at full 240x320 res, whereas Motorola and Sharp phones run with the status bar at the top, so the games have a real res of 240x295 or something (some Sharp games run at 240x260, because the bottom menu bar hangs around too).

On emu games are running like on SE S700, so there is no d-pad problem. On Sharp everything is messed up due to different screen res. I will try to fix this using some java recompilers.
Doom RPG is different, I would say: unique. This game has a sort of auto-adjusting to screen res, you can even specify screen res if you want in meta-inf file. I`ve never seen something like this in java game before.

Posted by: AL9999

Sure, I'll get them all the games on your new server and see how they work.

Posted by: AL9999

Ok so far, I got all your games except Jezzball and Call of Duty, which gave me 404 not found errors.

I played Doom RPG, the only two differences are all the Masyaka crack labelling =P and the fact that the 3D graphic area doesn't cover the whole screen (only a small rectangle). On my official Vodafone one it fills the whole screen. On the same token, the Vodafone one has a slower frame rate and your one is faster.

I'll test the rest of the games later today.

Posted by: yis903unposubl

DOOM RPG, thank you very much! It's very entertaining! Normally, I only play cell phone games while I'm bored in the office, at school, or waiting with nothing to do. However, I actually look forward to free time in order to play this! Thank you very much for the DoomRPG!

Posted by: UncleAllEvil

Quote:

Originally Posted by AL9999

Ok so far, I got all your games except Jezzball and Call of Duty, which gave me 404 not found errors.

I played Doom RPG, the only two differences are all the Masyaka crack labelling =P and the fact that the 3D graphic area doesn't cover the whole screen (only a small rectangle). On my official Vodafone one it fills the whole screen. On the same token, the Vodafone one has a slower frame rate and your one is faster.

I'll test the rest of the games later today.

Thanks for information. I`ll change Masyaka crack labbelling to my own

I`m looking for good 3D games for my 902. I have a list of titles, just a matter of time

Also I have to learn how to fix D/P and bad screen res. This is the key to make games playable.
My next target is polish 3D game called Alpha Zone 3D:
http://www.gameleons.com/Products/3D_Alpha_Zone
looks more like old Doom than Doom RPG

Posted by: bad character

uncleallevil: first i just want to thank u for the 902 games u uploaded to your site. i downloaded most of them for my 903.

i was just wondering do the games at this site:

http://republika.pl/uncleallevil/

work with the sharp 902/903 phones?

Posted by: UncleAllEvil

Sure, I`m only interested in games for 902/903

Files/games on this site are for tests, but currently Doom RPG, Cannon Fodder and Chaos Engine are fully playable. Doom works perfect. Other games have some issues.
Today I`v got some new 3D games and will upload them later.
Ducatti Extreme...

Posted by: UncleAllEvil

Update:

ducati3d_e1000.jad - Ducatii 3D Extreme, looks amaizng

call_of_duty_2_s700.jad - sorry AL, I`ve forgot to upload this last time ;P
MiniGolfCastles 3d demo.jad - Moto V3x game, not bad, not bad... just demo
Powerinlinex3D.jad - sort of roller skating game with nice gfx
Underworld.jad - old but good game, should work fine
Worms.jad - well... worms
RallyProContest_3D.jad - just TEST this, view in 320x240, not 240x320

alien_xenocide_s700.jad - ever played Abaddon? Something like this but with aliens and better gfx
metal_slug_mi.jad - migh be a real DP problem

Let me know which games are working and how well/how bad.

Posted by: Pozzy

I was just wondering if you boys happen to have a copy of the Dolfin-swimming thingy that comes with the Japanese firmware version. I'm sad to see that it's not included in the Euro software and it has such delightful music too!!!

Posted by: UncleAllEvil

I`ve testes 3 games:
Ducati 3D Extreme works (almost) perfect, superb gfx, very smooth and no D/P! Only problem is that you can`t play with sound turned on. Sound works in menu but during race game hangs. Also, after java suspend, resume is not working properly, not a big problem.

Powerinlinex3D - not working properly, very slow, wasn`t so slow on emu, screen res problem I think

RallyProContest 3D - antoher great 3D game, # & * works as softkeys

Good gfx, fast and you can set screen to vertical or horizontal! Widescreen

You have to test rest of the games because I`ve run out of free handset memory (80% appli) O_o

Posted by: bad character

metal gear mi is playable with the d-pad but you can't do everything on it. you're sort of handicapped and everything on the num pad is just messed. nothing is what its suppose to be.

Posted by: yis903unposubl

After having DoomRPG...it's really difficult to even want to play any other games on my phone. Especially since everything works with no flaws. Today, while waiting for a meeting, I got the Red Key Card. Any idea how much longer the game is? I don't want it to end

Posted by: AL9999

You're more than halfway through yis, if you've got the red keycard already.

It's a cool game though. I'm trying to get 100% kills/secret doors to see what happens.

Posted by: UncleAllEvil

Update:

mystery mansion pinball

Cupid 3D - 3D platform, silly game

Fast And Furious (different version!)

Jet Set Willy - classic Atari game!

The Last Age - 3D Mech Warrior alike game, good gfx!

Toxic Racer 3D - slightly different version, maybe without D/P

Moto Unleashed - 3D, superbikes

NFS Underground 3D

Have fun

Posted by: Pureracer

Was wondering if these could work on the 901iS?

Posted by: AL9999

No they won't. All DoCoMo phones support DoJa applications only. No downloadable Java app on the internet is compatible with DoCoMo phones.

Posted by: Pureracer

Thanks! I was wondering why it wouldn't let me download the apps... I'll probably be switching to AU soon anyways, DoCoMo is pissing me off with reception...

Posted by: borgis

sorry for this out of the topic question. for doomrpg players what is the complete super secret passcode? i already got 2*79, i'm still missing one. and what sector can you use that code?

Posted by: UncleAllEvil

2279, Super Secret Room is in sector 6, not far from place where you start level.
There is Druj alike mob and plenty of stuff.

Posted by: DjTraNcEFoRmeD

Sector 6 in junction?

Posted by: UncleAllEvil

Yes, after blue door there`s access to Sectors 6 and 7.

Posted by: qwerty[TM200]

I can't download Doomrpg... I get error "There is no free memory"... I have 5mb free on phone... :/

Posted by: UncleAllEvil

TM200 Java capabilities are worse (I was suprised!) than GX30 and you will not be able to download and run Doom RPG on your phone. This game needs very fast CPU and 3D GPU. 902/903 have one of the fastest CPUs in mobile handsets but TM200 is just too old for this.
Take a look at this link:
http://www.jbenchmark.com/phonedeta...=Sharp%20TM-200
none of the games listed on my sites (maybe except jezzball) will work on TM200.

Posted by: UncleAllEvil

Btw, anyone tried new JBenchmarkHD on his 902/903?
903 is fastest phone in result database

I have no idea why they don`t have gaming score for 902

Posted by: MODist

UncleAllEvil, try to fix those games:

http://masyaka.ru/games/

There are many of 3D and other games compatible with 902/903.

Posted by: UncleAllEvil

Ever tried games from my site? Some of them have *masyaka* logo...
Yes, I`ve used some games from this site but most will not run on Sharp phones, at last not directly.
3D games are after conversion for moto e1000 (most compatible with pure Java MIDP), but not every SE game can be converted.

Posted by: MODist

I c.
Would be great to test some other games from that site.

Posted by: UncleAllEvil

Not much left (on my HDD

), only one I would really like to play and still can`t force to work is Galaxy on Fire

Posted by: Pozzy

I'm still looking for that dolphin 'game' if anyone happens to have a copy of it

Posted by: UncleAllEvil

Anyone tested 902/903 with new JBenchmark HD?

Posted by: AL9999

Yes... posted my results at jBenchmark already

Posted by: huskyfan23

We need Arkanoid!

Posted by: emjhay27

how do i install this games in my 903SH....ty

Posted by: maxpascal

Quote:

Originally Posted by huskyfan23

We need Arkanoid!

Try blockbreaker deluxe on republika.pl/sharp902

Posted by: damo666

Quote:

Originally Posted by huskyfan23

We need Arkanoid!

Here You Go: Arckanoid

The Sharp902's Best friend with that big screen

Posted by: UncleAllEvil

If any of you have been interested why JBenchmarkHD cannot complete game test on 902/802/SX813 (but runs all quality and perfomance tests without problem) the answer is: not enough memory

903 has two times more memory (at last for Java) than 902 and thanks to this, it`s able to run game test. I was suprised that Toshiba V902 was able to run game test as well, I thought this phone has similiar hardware to 902. Maybe, but with more memory.
I wonder if 902 will be able to run upcoming JBenchmark Pro.

Posted by: Timsta

it might.. worth the try i guesss. there'a few benchmarkers on HOFO itsself.. i remember meeting a few italian guys doing some sort of software for it in the se forum.. way back

Posted by: UncleAllEvil

Will see. I`m waiting for jbenchmark pro beta now.

Posted by: Timsta

cool. what do you do w/ all your benchmarks anyways?

Posted by: UncleAllEvil

I`m just interested in mobile gaming, especially Java 3D apps. Sharp & Toshiba phones are fastest phones in Java 3D (thx to Toshiba media and graphics processors) and jbenchmark is first tool to measure phones perfomance. It`s same situation with people comparing 3Dmark results on diffrent computers.
Java 3D is future of mobile gaming. Unfortunatelly most phones on the market are very slow, and phones like Sharp/Toshiba cannot show their full potential. New SE phones have decent java 3d perfomance and this should change situation in next year. You have similiar situation when you`re buying newest and fastest graphics card on the market. For next year or more there won`t be a game/application that will make use of it`s true potential.
Of course in japan are much better games, but japan developers aren`t interested on the rest of the world

Posted by: Timsta

hahaah. true. i have a client who works in san diego's supercomputer centre. eh buys the japanese phones for benchmarking.
i really like the japanese fishing game for the 903 tho

Posted by: sketch143

you mean 904? the fishing game in 904 is awesome.. i would pay to get the full version on my phone.. =)

Posted by: Kevbodian

i know its not 3d but i have a jap-eng dictionary for 903.... gotta find it... its somewhere on my backup HD... ive had 7 lappies in the last 4 months.

Posted by: Timsta

i got it available.. its in my gmail

Posted by: sketch143

which? kev's dictio? or my Bass Tsuri ni Ikou?

Posted by: Timsta

the japanese/english dictionary

Posted by: UncleAllEvil

jar or huf?

Posted by: Timsta

its.. java.

Posted by: UncleAllEvil

I`m sure you know Tim that I know it`s java.
I was asking in what type of file do you have it.

Posted by: Timsta

hahaha.. .jar i believe

Posted by: UncleAllEvil

Update on my site, new games. Havn`t tested any of them on my 902 but they`re running fine on emu.
http://republika.pl/uncleallevil/

I`m looking for Ridge Racer mobile game but motorola e1000 version. I`ve only found SE K750/S700 versions and I can`t force them to run on emu so they wont run on Sharp too

Posted by: Timsta

FOR PPL asking for free games again.. you still have to pay for wap usage.. even those these games are at no charge. please do not argue with me about this.. this is the way it is.

Posted by: sketch143

lol.. and wap expenses can get pretty... annoying..

my last bill came out to $115... 60 dollars for wap... )(*!!@#$@$!#@$!

Posted by: Timsta

wow.. thats high man.. SUPER high. i refuse to use wap lol unless its on a corporate account

Posted by: sketch143

3cents/kbps is just too high man... TOO HIGH.

Posted by: UncleAllEvil

Sometimes I got bills like 50% for GPRS packets and 50% for phone calls :/

Let me know if you have tested any new game on my site.

Posted by: Timsta

lol.. ur lucky.. why does a country like Polish get good rates.. and a country like us.. gets the crappiest rates in the world

Posted by: sketch143

in the philippines.. GPRS is heaven man.. So cheap.. dirt cheap..

to put it simply...

$0.002 CAD/ KB

Posted by: Timsta

damn.. talk about love.. my 4700th post!!

Posted by: sketch143

psshhh.. spammer

Posted by: Timsta

hahaha... its good spam

Posted by: AL9999

I actually bought Ridge Racer from Voda a few months back, so my version is a proper one for the 903. But I don't think I can get it off the phone for you, heh

Posted by: UncleAllEvil

Too bad, I`m looking for this game from a long time

Btw I`ve tested Townsmen 2 Gold and MU games from my last update. Both work great, no d-pad problem

Townsmen 2 is really great game if you liked old`n good Settlers

Posted by: Timsta

townsmen 1 wasn't bad. i haven't trie dthe 2nd one yet.

Posted by: UncleAllEvil

Townsmen 2 Gold is much better than Townsmen 1. It`s very close to real Settlers, unlike first one which was much simplier. I`ve played it first time on NEC e616V but game was a bit slow on this handset and 176x220 version has worse graphics and no ingame music. QVGA version looks great. Try it, you will love this one. Great gfx, music and hours of playing

Posted by: Timsta

cooolk... i will definitely check it out.

Posted by: UncleAllEvil

As I said, new games:

http://republika.pl/uncleallevil/

Scarlottis Mafia Wars 2

Very nice game with good gfx and music.

Atari Legends Vol1

Atari Legends Vol2

ANNO 1602

Port Royale/Pirates alike game.

Anito - Call of the Land, chapter 1

Action/Adventure game.

While I was looking for new games I found this amaizing game:

Game looks like mobile Wipeout

Graphics is simply amaizing. You wanna check this video: http://www.fishlabs.net/clients/pre...t_riders_3d.wmv

It`s called 3D Planet Riders (www.fishlabs.net) and it is available for Sharp 902/903, but I can`t find this file on the internet

Currently I have only K750/W900i version but it`s not working on emu (emu crashes on this game) and I doubt this version will work on our Sharps.

I WANT THIS GAME ON MY 902

Now, another thing, java work

On my site I`m hosting game called The Last Age. It`s 3D Mech game with nice gfx but designed for 176x220 screens and with d-pad problem. Yet game is fully playable.
I`ve improved graphics and made some changes to this game but still there is some work to do and I need help.

Screenshots from actual version:

left screenshot is from my modified version, sshot on the right shows original game graphics on QVGA screen. Sshots from emu, not sharp.

There was also bug in HUD gfx:

now everything works fine.

Sshots from my 902 (original version) shows all bugs and 2 more not presented on emu:

menu content bug:

HUD bug and floor bug:

As you can see on Sharp screen game is not really running in fullscreen. There is thick white stripe at the bottom of the game screen and even a pice of game menu bar is cut. That means that screen canvas is wrong.
Also there`s something wrong with floor, texture should be on whole floor, not just small part of the base. I believe that`s because of wrong resolution. Canvas size in this game can be changed, I used motorola FullCn.class (sets fullscreen for moto e1000) and game canvas has changed on emu from 240x310 to 240x299 (300?) but proper resolution for Sharp is 240x294 and I don`t have such file

Is there anybody who can help me with this? Once I get this class I can fix more games this way. Also class for keyboard would be usefull.
foo_mark, maybe you can help me?

Current version (modified) is not hosted on my site so don`t look for this game now. I will upload this game as soon as I fix fullscreen problem and (I hope so) softkeys.

That`s all for today

Posted by: Timsta

wow... on behalf ot he users here.. THANK YOU