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Posted by: quillhill

Well, I searched and didn't see a previous post about this, so here goes.

I know that the Nokia 6822 has been available on the gray market and there's not been one with the 900 band. This is the first I've seen of the 6822 with 850 available anywhere.

Here's the link:

http://www.nokiausa.com/phones/nona...de:6822,00.html

This is a phone I'd like to try.

Posted by: WirelessAndy

You can get it with the 850 band via Expansys.

I got one a few weeks ago, and it promptly went back. The Blackberry function worked, and was a lot of fun.

Posted by: dobiegillis

I would love to play with one but can't justify the cost. Its really similar to my 6230 other than the qwerty.

Posted by: quillhill

Quote:

Originally Posted by WirelessAndy

You can get it with the 850 band via Expansys.

I got one a few weeks ago, and it promptly went back. The Blackberry function worked, and was a lot of fun.

Aah. I haven't seen that. I check Expansys occasionally. I think I'll post a link to that, too. Is it the same price? What didn't you like about it?

I figured some people may prefer buying direct rather than gray market if it isn't yet available from the carrier.

Posted by: WirelessAndy

I think I posted on that earlier. In a nutshell, I did not like:

* Dust under the screen, only after 2-4 hours of typical indoor/office use.
* Front keypad doesn't feel very responsive. The power button is worse. Inside QWERTY keys are a little better only because of domed keys.

There were many things to like, such as the snappy, familiar UI, Blackberry ability, illuminated keyboard (yes the QWERTY keyboard lights up), a clear-colored joystick that lights up nicely (think of the Lite-Brite toy) and has a GREAT clicky feel when you press "select", Bluetooth, good solid incoming call quality...

Really, the only real reason to get this is if you're an SMS junkie or you want the Blackberry feature in a non-RIM device.

Posted by: Alex_de_Large

Quote:

Originally Posted by WirelessAndy

I think I posted on that earlier. In a nutshell, I did not like:

* Dust under the screen, only after 2-4 hours of typical indoor/office use.
* Front keypad doesn't feel very responsive. The power button is worse. Inside QWERTY keys are a little better only because of domed keys.

There were many things to like, such as the snappy, familiar UI, Blackberry ability, illuminated keyboard (yes the QWERTY keyboard lights up), a clear-colored joystick that lights up nicely (think of the Lite-Brite toy) and has a GREAT clicky feel when you press "select", Bluetooth, good solid incoming call quality...

Really, the only real reason to get this is if you're an SMS junkie or you want the Blackberry feature in a non-RIM device.

Does anyone know if the Nokia USA version has the BlackBerry software?

ETA: I checked Expansys and saw only the EGSM version. Am I missing something?

Wireless Andy: I know that you are notoriously-critical of phones (and that is a very good thing). How did the BlackBerry features stack up to a native RIM device? Did only the e-mail features work or did the address book, etc. alsy sync?

Posted by: WirelessAndy

I actually emailed Expansys- and they emailed back. They're very good about that.

I asked them if their 6822 (US version, as they often call them) was the 850 enabled version WITH blackberry. Yes, it was so. And when the phone arrived, it was true.

The Blackberry features worked just like a normal RIM device. Of course, navigating around that Nokia is very... Nokia-like. You compose your messages just like you would an SMS, and you are notified of new messages just like you would an SMS. You can even assign one of the soft keys to Compose Blackberry message, Read Blackberry Inbox, or something like that.

When Blackberry is active on your device, you'll see a little "B" next to the GPRS logo. One thing I missed was the little arrows that a normal RIM device has telling you what's going on. It's actually very comforting (warm fuzzies) to see that your device is "talking" to the system. With the Nokia, you just don't know- except for the extra Blackberry "B" icon in the standby screen.

I tested this on BART (our local Bay Area Rapid Transit train system) and when the GPRS/EDGE signal was lost, the "G" went away with the "B" for Blackberry. When I popped out of the tunnel (between Rockridge and Orinda for you BART riders) it came back. When you lose all signal bars, GPRS/EDGE, you also lose the "B" icon.

As for performance and speed of incoming mail, it's just like a normal RIM device. Nearly instant.

I did not test any of the other "fancy" PIM sync features. The 6822b does have the usual basic calendar/to-do apps like the 6230, but I saw no obvious indication that this was possible. Mostly because I didn't go looking.

The best way to think of the 6822b is a 6230b with Blackberry MAIL functionality.

Posted by: quillhill

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Originally Posted by WirelessAndy

I think I posted on that earlier.

Oh, you greatly overestimate my memory.

Thanks for the recap. I wonder how easy it is to remove housing and clean out the dust...hmm. Ah, well, in any case...I'll check the Expansys page and post a link at some point in the next 24 hours for comparison's sake.

Andy, any comments on the screen compared to the 6820?

Posted by: WirelessAndy

I've only seen the AT&T version of the 6820, which is not impressive.

If you've seen the Nokia 6230b, then you've pretty much seen a 6822. It is quite passable in my book. It won't scorch your eyeballs with eye-popping clarity, but way better than the passive-matrix offerings.

I was just reminiscing about the 6822 (and getting teary eyed). You asked about the Blackberry experience: Once you set it up, it felt exactly like receiving, reading, deleting and composing SMS messages on any Nokia you've ever had.

Posted by: WirelessAndy

Quote:

Originally Posted by quillhill

Ah, well, in any case...I'll check the Expansys page and post a link at some point in the next 24 hours for comparison's sake.

I got you covered.

Expansys US link to 6822 ("b" version with 850 MHz and Blackberry)

My favorite feature (other than the nice joystick)? The teeny "lightbulb" key to the left of the "1" key on the QWERTY keyboard. It toggles keyboard illumination.

(Photo from Expansys-usa.com)

Posted by: Alex_de_Large

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Originally Posted by WirelessAndy

The best way to think of the 6822b is a 6230b with Blackberry MAIL functionality.

When you used the 6822 Blackberry features, did you add a BlackBerry data plan to your account, or did you only need GPRS data?

Also, did you use it with a BES, or did you use the web client?

thanks in advance,
AdL

Posted by: WirelessAndy

Short answer: Web client.

When I set it up, I used the bare-bones Cingular version of the BB setup. Disclaimer: I'm going from memory. I was fiddling so fast with my new toy, I wasn't paying attention.

1) Powered up 6822b (with Blackberry in firmware) with my Cingular SIM, and fiddled around till I found the Blackberry setup menu. Retreive what passes as the PIN number (I can't remember what Nokia calls it.) It's in there. You'll also need your IMEI/ESN handy.

2) Called up Cingular CS to add the Blackberry data plan to my account. I chose the unlimited data plan for about $49/month (ouch). CS may be confused if you tell them you're using a Nokia. Just tell them you've got the PIN and IMEI/ESN which you'll enter on the Blackberry Start Page via the web later on. That made my CS rep stop asking questions...

3) Hung up, went to Cingular's Blackberry start page:
http://www.cingular.com/blackberrystart

4) Create a new profile (username, password).

5) Enter in your new device. This system doesn't care what kind of Blackberry enabled device you have (7290, 7100g, or your Nokia 6822b). Enter that PIN and ESN/IMEI. Now, I don't know if you should do this first/next/last/before, but on the 6822b itself, you need to tell the phone to "register" onto the Blackberry system.

If all goes well, you'll probably get a messages from the system saying you're on the Cingular/Blackberry system, welcome! Blah blah blah.

Now, I've just given a very thin overview of the BASIC Cingular-based Blackberry system. If you want intergration with your Outlook or corporate email, that's way over my head. That's getting into other hosted BES stuff that's way better explained here:

Mark's Blackberry FAQ
http://www.blackberryforums.com/showthread.php?p=1844

Posted by: Alex_de_Large

Quote:

Originally Posted by WirelessAndy

Short answer: Web client.

When I set it up, I used the bare-bones Cingular version of the BB setup. Disclaimer: I'm going from memory. I was fiddling so fast with my new toy, I wasn't paying attention.

1) Powered up 6822b (with Blackberry in firmware) with my Cingular SIM, and fiddled around till I found the Blackberry setup menu. Retreive what passes as the PIN number (I can't remember what Nokia calls it.) It's in there. You'll also need your IMEI/ESN handy.

2) Called up Cingular CS to add the Blackberry data plan to my account. I chose the unlimited data plan for about $49/month (ouch).

3) Hung up, went to Cingular's Blackberry start page:
http://www.cingular.com/blackberrystart

4) Create a new profile (username, password).

5) Enter in your new device. This system doesn't care what kind of Blackberry enabled device you have (7290, 7100g, or your Nokia 6822b). Enter that PIN and ESN/IMEI. Now, I don't know if you should do this first/next/last/before, but on the 6822b itself, you need to tell the phone to "register" onto the Blackberry system.

If all goes well, you'll probably get a messages from the system saying you're on the Cingular/Blackberry system, welcome! Blah blah blah.

Now, I've just given a very thin overview of the BASIC Cingular-based Blackberry system. If you want intergration with your Outlook or corporate email, that's way over my head. That's getting into other hosted BES stuff that's way better explained here:

Mark's Blackberry FAQ
http://www.blackberryforums.com/showthread.php?p=1844

Thanks, Andy. I ask only because I currently use a BB 7100g with a BES (and the unlimited BB data plan). Did you happen to notice whether there was a provision for enterprise activation in the firmware?

thanks again,
AdL

Posted by: NOSintake

dang..that looks nice. i want that

Posted by: WirelessAndy

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Originally Posted by Alex_de_Large

No idea. Sorry. But if the Nokia has it's own PIN and is recognized as just another Blackberry Connect device, then why not?

I'm no Blackberry expert. I'd try BlackBerryForums.com and poke around there.

Posted by: Alex_de_Large

Quote:

Originally Posted by WirelessAndy

Thanks. There's a dearth of info on BlackBerry Connect software on non-RIM over on those forums, unfortunately. Nokia.co.uk has a few white papers that seem to indicate that it can be used with a BES just like any RIM device, though, curiously, the user manual of the European version of the phone makes no mention of the BB capabilities.

it may be worth picking the phone up and playing with it a bit.

Thanks again for your help.

AdL

Posted by: WirelessAndy

Hey no prob.

If you can accept the lackluster front 0-9 keys, so-so QWERTY keys, and the possibility of dust creeping under the screen, this little Nokia is just the ticket for a non-waffle shaped wireless email machine.

Posted by: StattlichPassat

Crap, I got so excited at the thread title my eyes blurred and I thought it said 6682!

Posted by: Alex_de_Large

Quote:

Originally Posted by WirelessAndy

Hey no prob.

If you can accept the lackluster front 0-9 keys, so-so QWERTY keys, and the possibility of dust creeping under the screen, this little Nokia is just the ticket for a non-waffle shaped wireless email machine.

I'm excited about the size, most. I really like my 7100g, but the size sucks. This may be just what I have been looking for...

Posted by: WirelessAndy

Alex,

Yeah: that was my attraction. Push email power, none of the large-ness of normal RIM devices.

Note: It IS smaller, but at the expense of a smaller screen, too. Don't forget. Fortunately, the font size in messaging is changeable. I used the smallest possible one and found it quite readable.

Posted by: WirelessAndy

Quote:

Originally Posted by StattlichPassat

Crap, I got so excited at the thread title my eyes blurred and I thought it said 6682!

I was wondering how many times this has happened!

Posted by: Alex_de_Large

Quote:

Originally Posted by WirelessAndy

Alex,

Yeah: that was my attraction. Push email power, none of the large-ness of normal RIM devices.

Note: It IS smaller, but at the expense of a smaller screen, too. Don't forget. Fortunately, the font size in messaging is changeable. I used the smallest possible one and found it quite readable.

Wown, sounds like this may be my next handset...

Thanks!

AdL

Posted by: quillhill

AdL, I'm thinking about getting this for myself for my birthday - once my v551 sells - as a stop-gap toy until I get my upgrade in November when I plan on getting a 6682, that S60 phone the others are drooling over.

Speaking of that, I wonder if the thread title should be changed Nokia 6822 TEXT MESSAGING PHONE...blah blah blah. I'll ask bobo.

Posted by: WirelessAndy

Quote:

Originally Posted by quillhill

Speaking of that, I wonder if the thread title should be changed Nokia 6822 TEXT MESSAGING PHONE...blah blah blah. I'll ask bobo.

Better yet:
"Nokia 6822 QWERTY phone" since technically, both the 6822 and 6682 are capable of text messaging.

Posted by: Alex_de_Large

Quote:

Originally Posted by quillhill

AdL, I'm thinking about getting this for myself for my birthday - once my v551 sells - as a stop-gap toy until I get my upgrade in November when I plan on getting a 6682, that S60 phone the others are drooling over.

Speaking of that, I wonder if the thread title should be changed Nokia 6822 TEXT MESSAGING PHONE...blah blah blah. I'll ask bobo.

I'm exchanging e-mail with out IT guy (he's the admin for our BES) about the 6822. I'll report back.

AdL

Posted by: WirelessAndy

FYI:

My commentary from this thread now posted for future reference.

Direct link to my Nit Picking library - Nokia 6822b QWERTY phone

Or just www.WirelessAndy.com

Posted by: Alex_de_Large

I just ordered one from expansys. As soon as I get it, I will post my results, including how it works with a BES.

AdL

Posted by: miami pix

The Nokia 6822 is available from http://www.nokiausa.com/phones/6822 for $299.

I got it and it is unbranded and unlocked, but doesn't have Blackberry.

Chuck

Posted by: wdst

Does anyone know if Cingular plans to offer this phone on a direct basis? Thanks