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WTF? No more Motorola EDGE?
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Posted by: casualsuede

Bring on the HSDPA, because Motorola's may no longer have EDGE in their high end products.

EDGE Disappears From High End Motorolas

Today, 2:39 PM source: Motorola

Motorola has been quietly revising the specs on many of the high end models they've announced but haven't yet released. Well publicized phones including new design models such as the PEBL and SLVR, as well as the E895 and A910 will no longer launch with EDGE data. They will be GPRS only. A Motorola spokesperson explained that the chipset Motorola choose for their top of the line models does not have a stable EDGE implementation, and does not meet Motorola's quality standards. It is too late for Motorola to swap out chips, so the company has been forced to disable EDGE on the new phones despite their high end placement in their lineup.

Posted by: rosullivan04

I can vouch for this - their EDGE phones drop speed frequently and you have to drop and reconnect to get EDGE speeds again.

Posted by: casualsuede

I think Motorola has the reputation that not having EDGE based products will not hurt them overall in the general consumer world because 99.5% of the population are not critical users of EDGE for Data, but I could be wrong. I know not having 1X (on the evil CDMA side) for picture or ringer downloads is inconceiveable, but what about using good 'ol GPRS for the same applications?

Posted by: Thrawn

It's bad if it doesn't meet Motorola's quality standards.

Posted by: TelecomZombie

Motorola !! Who cares about Phones for poseurs!!

Posted by: jase88

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Originally Posted by Thrawn

It's bad if it doesn't meet Motorola's quality standards.

I was just thinking the same thing! It's got to be bad if it doesn't meet Motorola's standards...

Posted by: JP

I bet ppl will be able to SEEM through it anyways

Posted by: B0000rt

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Originally Posted by JP

I bet ppl will be able to SEEM through it anyways

Yeah but why enable something that's craptactular?

see what rosullivan04 said!

Posted by: rosullivan04

Yah

It took me 3 V551 and a conversation with a electronics engineer before I realized it was Moto and not a bad phone. I've since migrated all my phones except my RAZRS away from Motorola. My Nokia 3220's EDGE rocks - it is everything I was expecting to get from V551 speed-wise.

Posted by: B0000rt

Ohhhhhhh?

3220 has EDGE, where have I been? Is it Class 10?
I wanna sell this 6620 and get something to be a data mule.

Posted by: rosullivan04

It is indeed Class 10 - makes for an excellent data mule!

Posted by: TelecomZombie

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Originally Posted by rosullivan04

Yah

Why would you keep the Rzr???

V551 is better phone even if its not the fastest Edge Class!! I'm not a big Motorola fan but I had little problems with my v551 & it would give decent Data speeds BT paired!

RAZr is

Posted by: casualsuede

One thing that I'm confused is that why only the high end Motorola's? What's different between them and lower end ones with EDGE like the V551?

Posted by: Mr CDMA

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Originally Posted by casualsuede

One thing that I'm confused is that why only the high end Motorola's? What's different between them and lower end ones with EDGE like the V551?

As far as Moto is concerned the V551 (and the rest of that series are dead anyway).....

Low end phones will ikely have a different chipset in them that may ar may not support EDGE.....

I just hope that companies like Samsung and SE can pick up some market share because of this...... Moto is over rated IMHO.....

Posted by: jase88

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Originally Posted by Mr CDMA

The problem I find with Motorola is that they can be spectacular in some ways, and absolute crap in others. RF and audio can be the best in class. While the build quality and UI are lacking and/or buggy software.

And of the Motorola phones I've owned, I find they never give me enough warning that the battery is about to die. Anyone else experience this!? It's usually a beep followed by a dead phone in 5 seconds...

I'm curious about the new e815 coming to Bell, but leery about the issues that are common to Motorola.

Posted by: rosullivan04

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Originally Posted by TelecomZombie

Why would you keep the Rzr???

V551 is better phone even if its not the fastest Edge Class!! I'm not a big Motorola fan but I had little problems with my v551 & it would give decent Data speeds BT paired!

RAZr is

The 3 V551's I had were suffering from low build quality. IMHO, the build quality is inferior when compared to the RAZR. I don't really need the EDGE on this line... this line is just a junk line to forward to for my main line. I figured three was my lucky number on V551s

Posted by: Treatz

Wirelessly posted (Nokia6101/2.0 (03.36) Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1)

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Originally Posted by B0000rt

Ohhhhhhh?

3220 has EDGE, where have I been? Is it Class 10?
I wanna sell this 6620 and get something to be a data mule.

3220 is a class 6 device. Not class 10. 177k max down speed

Posted by: tbooth

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Originally Posted by TelecomZombie

Why would you keep the Rzr???

V551 is better phone even if its not the fastest Edge Class!! I'm not a big Motorola fan but I had little problems with my v551 & it would give decent Data speeds BT paired!

RAZr is

going to have to defend the razr. i prefer it to all motos, and nokia se etc for that matter. sound quality and rf are way above par, and seeing as gprs is seldom used, that doesnt matter. for those who want to use wireless data, perhaps the se air card is a good idea.

Posted by: rosullivan04

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Originally Posted by treatz

Wirelessly posted (Nokia6101/2.0 (03.36) Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1)

3220 is a class 6 device. Not class 10. 177k max down speed

Are you sure? According to this it's class 10 EDGE...

Posted by: Treatz

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Originally Posted by rosullivan04

Are you sure? According to this it's class 10 EDGE...

ya, pretty sure.
while I can't find any US/CAnadian references (dunno why they never seem to get technical) this reference to the 3220 Euro version listrs the max EDGE DL speed
http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,8764,58034,00.html

Supported Bearers
EDGE: Mobile broadband access with upload up to 59.2 kbps and download up to 177.6 kbps
Note: Actual achieved speeds may vary depending on network support
GPRS up to 80 kbps
(HS)CSD up to 43.2 kbps

each time slot can do a max of 59.2kb/s down.. a class 6 device is 1 up, 3 down..
so 3 down * 59.2 = 177.6kb/s downstream

Posted by: rosullivan04

That would suck, but wouldn't surprise me, being PC Mag tech editors and all...