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my i398 w/100 songs! *pics*
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Posted by: mdt115

So I just flashed over to the pcmmod 1.4c and was creating new libraries with the itunesmanager application. Plugged in my i398, opened itunes, and it registered.

iTunes welcomes me to my phone and asks me to name it, typed in 512mb and pressed enter.

"Welcome to your iTunes phone!" it stated. It asked me if I wanted to upgrade from the 25 song limit to the 100 song limit. Thinking nothing of it, I thought, what the hell.. let me give this a try (believing that since my phone is not a true rokr phone, it just wouldn't work).

I click upgrade now, and logged into my mac account.

Next thing I knew, it says, "Thank you! Please eject your phone and reconnect." Next thing I know, I've got the 100 song limit!

Prior to doing this 'upgrade', it told me it would cost $39.99. I just clicked sure without knowing any better!

I know there are instructions as to what I can do to backup my entire phone, but I'd like to help crack this iTunes. Can anyone explain in a nutshell as to what I should do?

Posted by: fearsim

lol. 39.99 for a 100 song upgrade is a lot of money...

Posted by: kobx

what about athe experation date?
check it out..

Posted by: muncheno

Just to confirm. You are using Itunes 4.9 during the upgrade right?

Posted by: fearsim

Ok another thing, can your phone be detected using iTunes 5.0? and expiry date?

Posted by: overkill23

hey, can you upload the c/kjava folder?and b/itunes too... and a full backup :P....thanks!

Posted by: mdt115

FEARSIM: yes.. 39.99 is a lot of money, but i'd rather pay that than changing a rom chip to get the rokr firmware to work only to NOT have itunes working is a steal don't you think?

Plus I got this phone almost next to nothing.. so it's not that bad if you think about it..

muncheno: Yes, to confirm, I am using 4.9. I will try and install 5.0 and see what happens..

kobx: I changed my date to the correct date. I'm not sure if the cheat is screwing it up, but right now, it's not working. I can't eject the phone from phone from itunes.

Posted by: muncheno

Just a tot here,

I dun think Itunes 4.9 software is capable to overwrite data's in the phone. I would suspect the software only do changes in you card. This is because our phone is connected in Memory Card mode. Therefore, I dun think 100 limits is with the phone and it must be inside the card.

Posted by: mdt115

Quote:

Originally Posted by muncheno

Just a tot here,

I dun think Itunes 4.9 software is capable to overright data's in the phone. I would suspect the software only do changes in you card. This is because our phone is connected in Memory Card mode. Therefore, I dun think 100 limits is with the phone and it must be inside the card.

I agree with you on that part. It definitely has to be inside the tf card somewhere. I'm dling 5.0.1 right now....

Posted by: fearsim

a piece of advice.

Keep a copy of iTunes 4.9 setup in handy. In case else goes wrong...

Posted by: overkill23

yes...muncheno, you're right...but now, with his b folder...can we do anything?or maybe apple protect something?

Posted by: mdt115

ok..

It will not sync with iTunes 5.0.1. So i had to revert back to 4.9.

As for the date expiry, it still there, but I have no idea if the 'cheat' has anything to do with it..

I can't do a flashbackup tonight as it's nearing 2am here and I have to get some sleep for work. I'll post the flashbackup tomorrow evening (if possible!)..

Posted by: overkill23

Oh, ok...sweet sleep!we will waiting for you!

Posted by: muncheno

Thanks mdt115
Will wait for your backup, and i think more important are the /b/itunes and /b/ipod_control folders. They are hidden, you will to set it unhidden.

Posted by: kobx

just post the b folder (memory card)
all but the songs...
if you can.. please

Posted by: mdt115

alright, give me a sec..

Posted by: kobx

thanks alot! :P

Posted by: overkill23

well, here is near 2 am too...but i can't sleep with the think of 100 musics in itunes!thanks mdt115! you are the best!

Posted by: mdt115

exactly what files from the b:/ partition do you need...?

Posted by: overkill23

all files...except music folder inside itunes folder, and mobile folder, i think...

Posted by: mdt115

b:/iTunes/iTunes_control/iTunes

this is a copy of my b:/iTunes/iTunes_control/iTunes/ folder..

Posted by: overkill23

thanks!i!veery thanks!hope this works!
EDIT
Only one more thing...can you put the ipod_control folder too?this is the last thing...thanks!!!

Posted by: mdt115

do you guys have a file in the a:/ partition called,

iTunesFeatures.plist
iTunesFeatures.plist.sig

Posted by: vikna

Quote:

Originally Posted by overkill23

thanks!i!veery thanks!hope this works!

soooo....what is the result??
have you tried it?
what whould you do actually????

Posted by: overkill23

no...we don`t have that...i tried but nothing happens...can you upload them too?...thaanks!

Posted by: mdt115

Quote:

Originally Posted by overkill23

thanks!i!veery thanks!hope this works!
EDIT
Only one more thing...can you put the ipod_control folder too?this is the last thing...thanks!!!

i didn't include the ipod_control folder because there was nothing in them!!!

Posted by: mdt115

the iPod_Control directory

I changed all the attributes in the b:/ partition to show all files.. *shrugs*
But it seems to be blank still..

Posted by: overkill23

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdt115

do you guys have a file in the a:/ partition called,

iTunesFeatures.plist
iTunesFeatures.plist.sig

still the 25 limit

...the only thing what changed is the songs...now i see your songs, but only 25, and i cant play them, of course...the last thing and i let you in peace

...can you upload this archives?
thanks!very thanks!and sorry for disturbing!

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdt115

iTunesFeatures.plist
iTunesFeatures.plist.sig

Posted by: u4ia_eclipse

@mdt115
Thanks dude!
But i'm thinking there's more files changed other than those in TFlash...
Like the iTunesFeatures.plist, iTunesFeatures.plist.sig files you said are not found in my phone... Do you mind uploading files in /a/ and a fullbackup of the phone?

Posted by: mdt115

Quote:

Originally Posted by u4ia_eclipse

@mdt115
Thanks dude!
But i'm thinking there's more files changed other than those in TFlash...
Like the iTunesFeatures.plist, iTunesFeatures.plist.sig files you said are not found in my phone... Do you mind uploading files in /a/ and a fullbackup of the phone?

I will do a complete backup tomorrow evening (in about 20 hours from now lol). It's 3am and I really need to sleep!

Someone please, explain how to do it in a nutshell.

goodnight!

Posted by: u4ia_eclipse

For FullBackup:
Download http://random.motofan.ru/download/FlashBackup.rar
Go to 'Backup', Select 'Full Backup' and '32 MB' then click 'Create Backup'
Then upload the backup

/a/ files
Open P2K program and copy all files in /a/
Put files in an archive
Then upload it somewhere

Posted by: shadowphantom

make a full backup using flashbackup v2 then upload it... hopely it's still have 100songs limit if you made SHX from your backup...

Posted by: larvs

wow! but will you be paying the 39.99 charge? haha! iTunes cracked! serendipity works it's mysterious ways again.

Posted by: bhwarrior

lol a lot of people are waiting eagerly for mdt115s response cant say im not guilty eitha lol, just a quick question, if he uploads his back up can we use our PDS and jst install his backup?

Posted by: etino

I tried exactly the same trick, but somehow, didn't work. On that photo, there appears to be a iBook at the background. I remembered there was an iTunes 4.9 updates and later iTunes Phone support for OSX prior to iTunes 5.0. Did mdt115 did it with his iBook? Also, I do not have a 512 tflash, I was using a 64mb, but will try on 256MB later from my daily use i398 (I have 4 e398s). But to extract the files that iTunes put into his phone would the best case scenario. Hopefully he doesn't mind sharing them though it cost so much.

Posted by: shadowphantom

yup!!! restore your psd backup after restoring with mdt115s backup... you can use anyone backup if you have your own pds backup... hopely the man would like to upload the fullbackup that he take with flashbackup v2... i would be the rat lab if the man upload it

Posted by: ya_saya

mdt115...
did you succeed to upload and play 100 tracks in your phone?

Posted by: foxcopy

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdt115

FEARSIM: yes.. 39.99 is a lot of money, but i'd rather pay that than changing a rom chip to get the rokr firmware to work only to NOT have itunes working is a steal don't you think?

Can yiu please upload these files of your t-flash card..
/b/iTunes/Update/iTunesUpdate.bin
/b/iTunes/Update/iTunesUpdate.key

Posted by: Soul814

heres a tutorial on flashbackup, hopefully it helps u out
http://soul.x10hosting.com/i398/FlashBackup.swf

Posted by: mdt115

I'm creating a backup right now using flashbackup. I'll have the ready for you guys as soon as it's done..

And I really didn't mind paying the $39.99 charge. If you think about it, it may be the best solution to getting the 100 song crack. (unless someone here cracks it) but hey, i don't mind trying to help out fellow e398'rs!

Yes, my i398 does play all 100 songs!

foxcopy: I would give you those two files, but they don't exist on my phone!!

Posted by: ya_saya

mdt115...

how about to dump the rom and dump the t-flash (need you to blank you tflash first),
but this time put blank mp3 track below (but you need to copy it to 100 files) into yout tf with iTunes.
and put the tracks on C:\Documents and Settings\user\Desktop\BlankTracks.
this also require mdt to move the original tracks first.

upload also with the rom + tf dump:
C:\Documents and Settings\user\My Documents\My Music\iTunes\iTunes Library.itl and
C:\Documents and Settings\user\My Documents\My Music\iTunes\iTunes Music Library.xml

so everyone will have the same path but need to format the tf fisrt and rename to '512mb' as mdt115 did.

Hope this will works.

Posted by: mdt115

Alright guys, here is a complete backup of my i398 with the 100 song limit. Go nuts!!

i398 Full Backup 10-09-2005

I didn't compress it with rar or zip because it was already compressed.. (I tried anyway but it was the same size!)

I'm off to work.. hope someone figures something out!

Posted by: mdt115

Quote:

Originally Posted by ya_saya

mdt115...

how about to dump the rom and dump the t-flash (need you to blank you tflash first),
but this time put blank mp3 track below (but you need to copy it to 100 files) into yout tf with iTunes.
and put the tracks on C:\Documents and Settings\user\Desktop\BlankTracks.
this also require mdt to move the original tracks first.

upload also with the rom + tf dump:
C:\Documents and Settings\user\My Documents\My Music\iTunes\iTunes Library.itl and
C:\Documents and Settings\user\My Documents\My Music\iTunes\iTunes Music Library.xml

so everyone will have the same path but need to format the tf fisrt and rename to '512mb' as mdt115 did.

Hope this will works.

I can do that but I don't have enough time to do it (I have to leave for work in a few).. how about i leave you my current \my music\itunes\itunes music library.xml for now. Would that help?

Posted by: ya_saya

i mean if it ok with the IMEI things...
my post above will make our phone and tflash and the connection with iTunes 4.9 completely the same

Posted by: mdt115

Here are the two files as requested:

iTunes Library.itl
iTunes Music Library.xml

Both files click here

Posted by: mdt115

Quote:

Originally Posted by ya_saya

i mean if it ok with the IMEI things...
my post above will make our phone and tflash and the connection with iTunes 4.9 completely the same

I'll make the blankfiles as you asked later on tonight. For now I've got to run to work!!

Good Luck with everything!

*EDIT*

I forgot to add my a/ partition.. brb

Posted by: ya_saya

will try your files. Thanks mdt115..

hope it will works.
actually from the post above i mean, you need to upload the the blank tracks into tf from iTunes in the computer.
but will try with the file you upload before.
Thanks..

Posted by: mdt115

Hmm.. I've noticed that since i've done the 100 song limit, moto4lin doesn't see the b:/ partition anymore..?

Any ideas as to why? I don't think I did anything for it to not show up anymore.. it just shows /a and /c..

I'm using p2ktools and it won't let me backup my /a. it just keeps telling me, "access violation at address blah blah blah blah"

...?

Posted by: mdt115

Quote:

Originally Posted by ya_saya

will try your files. Thanks mdt115..

hope it will works.
actually from the post above i mean, you need to upload the the blank tracks into tf from iTunes in the computer.
but will try with the file you upload before.
Thanks..

I understand what you were saying earlier. With the blank track you attached, you want me to play it in iTunes (through my pc), make a playlist of 100 songs with that blank track, then upload it to my phone right?

If that's what you meant then yeah, I can do it, just not now.. so far I've sacrificed my breakfast!! lol

But I will do it tonight!

Posted by: ya_saya

Thanks alot mdt115..
have a nice day at work.
see you tmrw. going to flash my friend's e398. he just arrived.

Posted by: overkill23

hehe!good work mdt115!thanks!we will try!
Hey anyone know how can we unzip his backup, for found the a partition with the archives?sorry for my english!

Posted by: YaGeR

typical of apple/itunes to charch more money for the upgrade..i saw it commin a mile away....just another reason to stick to the moto java mp3 app....

Posted by: mdt115

No need for negative attitude..

The reason why i like iTunes (and am willing to stick to it regardless of speed) is because of its interface. I used to be a winamp guy myself and thought I would never use iTunes.. and now look at me.

The fact that it can hide while i can do other things is a big plus. Nothing comes for free these days.. if you always want things for free, I guess that just goes to show that everyone is different.

I'm not trying to start something, but c'mon, let's keep the negative comments outside the front door.

Posted by: etino

ya_saya;
go easy on mdt115, dun wanna screw his 100 songs updates, lets see what's the diff between his and ours starting /a then /b.

Yager;
lost your way here mate, tot you hate iTunes, what brings you here?

Posted by: talmeida

Hello Guys, I'm new here.
So, I noticed that on iTunes software exists an iTunes mobile configuration that allow just 25 songs as maximum songs....
and if all of you see on tFlash card there is a hexa file called settings...
I don't know the relation about it but can be a way to crack it....
maybe it's a software limitation and in iTunes 5.0.1 version it was made for 100 songs... I don't know but can be....

Posted by: larvs

btw, can you upload your firmware version? i mean just a screen shot from your phone. i'm just paranoid.

Posted by: overkill23

can anyone put the fullbackup in another site?Because megaupload says "Too many connections from your IP address"

...thanks! here are somes sites

http://www.savefile.com

http://www.yousendit.com

http://www.come2store.com

http://www.streamload.com

http://uploader.net

http://up.cav1.com

http://www.webfile.ru

http://www.simpload.com

http://alamuae.org/upload/upload.php

http://www.arabc.net/cards/upload.php

http://ma7room.com/upload/upload.html

http://www.ayaam.com/upload/upload.htm

http://www.dantdubai.com/upload/upload.php

http://www.sadauae.com/upload/upload.php

http://www.alwafi.net/upload/upload.php

http://www.altanaya.com/upload/upload.html

http://www.rapidsare.de

Posted by: c0nk3r

hey mdt115? 512mb? did you use a 512mb tf card or the sd card mod, cuz e398 isn't compatible with 512mb (i heard the max is 256mb tf) correct me if im wrong..

Posted by: Aircraft800

Quote:

Originally Posted by c0nk3r

hey mdt115? 512mb? did you use a 512mb tf card or the sd card mod, cuz e398 isn't compatible with 512mb (i heard the max is 256mb tf) correct me if im wrong..

Someone told you wrong. 512mb works. Some people were having problems but could not be pinpointed down to which E398's.

Posted by: kobx

whats with you?
can somone try this and tell us if it works?

Posted by: universalWIRE61

Hope this works

Posted by: mattress

bah slow download lol...

just remember, you can't flash someone else's backup to your phone, you have to use your own PDS file, or you'll kill your phone.

//edit I'm flashing my phone with his backup and my PDS, i'll let you guys know what I find out..

more than likely, we will have to get a dump of his tflash card also.

hopefully there isn't anything locked to serial #'s or anything..

//edit2

I finished the flash file with my PDS.. under iTunes, I still have a limit of 25 songs

my "about" screen lists the same version though ... so it's GOT to be something off his tflash card

Posted by: ya_saya

Quote:

Originally Posted by etino

ya_saya;
go easy on mdt115, dun wanna screw his 100 songs updates, lets see what's the diff between his and ours starting /a then /b.

Sorry mdt115..
i didnt mean to force you or something.. just my english limitation.
and also when i wrote that post he hasnt upload the first file.
btw moving the $39.99 files and the library doesnt mean that files cant be re-upload to phone am i right?
Re-dlding the rom dump now...

Posted by: mdt115

Just checking the thread while I'm at work..

I will post a screen shot of my firmware so that you can satisfy your curiousness

a dump of my /b partition is just simply copying it right?

and i can't create a /a dump from p2ktools.. what should i do?

Posted by: mattress

I'm not sure if you could successfully create a dump from your tflash card by just trying to copy the files over through windows explorer ... i'm sure there's a bunch of hidden stuff...

maybe someone else can give some ideas on how to make a complete backup of his tflash card?

//edit
i've renamed my phone to "512mb" like you did to yours.

you've uploaded 2 rar files from your tflash card. the first one is from
\iTunes\iTunes_Control\iTunes (i deleted all my files, and put your files in there. it made no difference besides making my itunes think I have all your music ... but only lists 25 ... now I have 25/25 songs on my phone

)
the 2nd is
\iPod_Control\ (your rar file is empty. my iPod_Control directory on my tflash card is not empty. maybe you missed some files?)

Posted by: mattress

OK Guys, i erased everything on my tflash card, connected it, loaded iTunes on my PC.

it asked me to name it, so I named it '512mb' like the thread starter. here's what i got:

(also, 128mb works for it too, I changed the picture, because the previous was 1600x1200 res lol..)

that's pretty neat, maybe we're on to something here!

Posted by: overkill23

wow...well, the only thing can we do is wait for the b dump...in that folder is the solution, i think...it can be downloaded with the last version of p2ktools...

Posted by: mattress

ok well, I don't know what's going on here... I went ahead and purchased the update also.

confirmed 100 songs.

I then erased my TF card, rebooted the phone, and it still says 100 songs... something weird going on..

i even renamed the phone from 128mb to something else.

is there a program out there that can actually read from the TF card ... maybe there's some kind of embedded information stored or something that windows explorer can't read

too bad I don't have a spair TF card ... itunes refuses to load w/o a card in the phone.

Posted by: overkill23

hehe, very good...another helper :P...mattress, can you upload this files?

iTunesFeatures.plist
iTunesFeatures.plist.sig

Posted by: mattress

Quote:

Originally Posted by overkill23

hehe, very good...another helper :P...mattress, can you upload this files?

iTunesFeatures.plist
iTunesFeatures.plist.sig

i think you may be right, these 2 files are automatically regenerated after I delete them

//edit ... well, I don't really know anymore ... I've completely reformated the TF card, and iTunes still displays 100 files...

here are the 2 files you requested. I set them to "read only" just in case your phone tries to overwrite them with it's own...

put these in \iTunes\iTunes_Control\iTunes\ on your TF card.
http://highspeed5.retard-b.us/e398/iTunes.rar

the date expiration is still in effect

I set it to the current date, and it's expired... i figured that would have been fixed...

Posted by: overkill23

ok...well, here we go!

Nothing happen

...I have an idea...if you put your tf in another source, like an camera...maybe some files will appear...sorry for my english...

Posted by: mattress

i don't have any other methods to read from this card

your english is perfect

Posted by: Cool6324

I'm just reading this thread, and I'm shocked that apple has charged $39.99 for an update. Is this on existing rokr's or the e398. I thought the ROKR came with 100 song limit.

Posted by: overkill23

Quote:

Originally Posted by ya_saya

oh...well, something we will find...did you try to put this mp3 100 times?and then, copy the entire itunes folder...

Posted by: mattress

it was 29.99 ... but for some reason, it charged my $33.44 weird.

Posted by: mattress

OK GUYS SOME NEW INFORMATION

i've restored a backup I made from BEFORE the upgrade to 100 songs. I still have 100 songs. apparently, there is some binary information written on the tflash card that isn't readable in windows.

can someone suggest a way to make an actual binary backup file (like we do with flashbackup with our phone?)

maybe someone can pass the word on to rand0m from motofan.ru to make a new version of FlashBackup that can dump a binary image of the flash card?

I'm open to any suggestions here. I've tried formating the card through windows, I've tried restoring a previous backup, i've tried erasing all files off tflash card.. and i still have 100 songs

Posted by: lvn

maybe it's your itunes that changes it.
probably linked to your account or something.

have you tried other tf cards?

Posted by: mattress

i'm going back to the original R372 firmware ... *maybe* the itunes java program is hiding something, since it's always running.

if anyone wants to chat, irc @ irc.terra.net.ba #moto

after this, my only guess is that there's some binary information written to the disk that can't be read through normal means (kinda like some game copy protection on computer games?) and we need a program (like blindwrite) that can actually read the binary information off the disk to create an image...

Suggestions?

Posted by: mattress

Quote:

Originally Posted by lvn

maybe it's your itunes that changes it.
probably linked to your account or something.

have you tried other tf cards?

if you mean iTunes on the computer ... it's not running. I've ended all the services under task manager related to itunes. I've restored a flash backup, and still had 100 songs available to me, w/o connecting it to a computer (after the flash)

i do not have any other tf cards, nor do I have any adapters to try this card in something else besides the phone.

Posted by: YaGeR

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdt115

No need for negative attitude..

The reason why i like iTunes (and am willing to stick to it regardless of speed) is because of its interface. I used to be a winamp guy myself and thought I would never use iTunes.. and now look at me.

Go pay the 34 bucks and have the ability to listen to 100 songs like you already can with the moto mp3 app and stop trying to hack/rom dump the software then. The only difference with the itunes and moto mp3 app is the ability to "hide" the interface whilst songs are being played, oh and you can look at some "cover art" in case you were curious as to what the cd cover may have looked like if you purchased the actual album instead of downloading it online.
There is jack all difference in features when it comes to both itunes and the Moto MP3 player.

ITUNES: 25 song limit, $34.99 to upgrade the limit to 100, sort by playlist, artist, album, genre. can shuffle songs, ajust volume, and look at cover art.

MOTO MP3: unlimited song limit, sort by playlist, artist, album, genre, can shuffle songs, ajust volume, visualisations.

I'd love to leave the negative comments outside if there wernt any negative points to point out in this whole itunes hype.

Posted by: ranglin

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattress

Do you think it has something to do with iTunes on the PC having a certain file now that it didn't have before? Can you plug the phone into another PC with iTunes 4.9 and see what it comes up with? Try and refill the phone with another 100 songs?

Posted by: mattress

ok well i flashed back to r372 firmware (the original backup when I got the phone

)

but there's no "hidden" files or anything... i guess the next step is to try and make an image of the TF card.. i don't know how to do this

Posted by: mattress

Quote:

Originally Posted by ranglin

this 100 song limit is totally independant of the iTunes computer program.

I've reflashed different packs and everything. there's something on the card.

Posted by: mattress

I'm confused. I've gone from R373 to R372 back to R373 ... I've erased & formated my TF card, done everything I can think of ... but I still have 100 songs..

the only thing I can think of next is getting a bit-by-bit image of the TF card..

Posted by: CyberGreg

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattress

I'm confused. I've gone from R373 to R372 back to R373 ... I've erased & formated my TF card, done everything I can think of ... but I still have 100 songs..

the only thing I can think of next is getting a bit-by-bit image of the TF card..

Have you tried using a different computer with iTunes on it? I think it has updated your iTunes and everytime you re-coonect your phone, iTunes updates you Transflash card. But hey that's just my opinion... ;-)

Posted by: mattress

are you even reading the thread? it's totally independant of the itunes pc program. it doesn't even need to be connected to a computer to get the 100 song limit....

Posted by: mdt115

Wow, a lot has happened while i was at work.

Matress: congratulations, your i398, to e398 back to i398 now has the 100 song limit.

so far, what's happened:

-i398 upgraded to 100 songs
-same phone has been reflashed 3 times, still with 100 song limit
-transflash card has been completely formatted, still with 100 song limit
-after flashed, still 100 songs before even registering it with iTunes on pc

like stated above, perhaps there's some kind of hidden information inside the TF card that is totally unreadable with normal applications..

how the heck do we make an image of the TF card?

Posted by: mdt115

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattress

ok well, I don't know what's going on here... I went ahead and purchased the update also.

confirmed 100 songs.

I then erased my TF card, rebooted the phone, and it still says 100 songs... something weird going on..

i even renamed the phone from 128mb to something else.

is there a program out there that can actually read from the TF card ... maybe there's some kind of embedded information stored or something that windows explorer can't read

too bad I don't have a spair TF card ... itunes refuses to load w/o a card in the phone.

I wonder what would happen if we took our 100 song limit transflash cards and put them in another i398. If that works, then it's definitely something in the TF cards...

Posted by: mattress

ok I used a program called WinImage to make an image of the tflash card.

I highly doubt this will work, but if anyone wants to try it, here it is:
http://highspeed5.retard-b.us/e398/tflash.rar
It's 113mb compressed, 120 uncompressed

here is an rar file containing all the files from all 3 partitions of the phone:
http://highspeed5.retard-b.us/e398/phone_backup.rar (5.8mb)

download winimage to write the image to your tflash card...

Posted by: lupes5

hey guys...i dont know if this will help....but i found this in itunes>preferences..

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/lupes...f4f.jpg&.src=ph

...perhaps itunes on your pc tells the phone how much to limit.......i'm using an actual rokr with the newest itunes, i 4get what version it is....

if not....ignore what i said hehe

Posted by: mattress

in itunes on your computer go to help/ about ... it should give you a version #

iTunes 5.0 does not recognize my phone.

Posted by: lupes5

k i got lazy sorry i coulda done b4 ...
version 5.0.1.4

Posted by: mattress

you still won't be able to go above your 100 song limit

and on another note, no matter what I have my slider set to in iTunes, i still have a maximum of 100 songs

Posted by: lupes5

i see.....well i guess my theory was wrong

Posted by: mdt115

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattress

you still won't be able to go above your 100 song limit

and on another note, no matter what I have my slider set to in iTunes, i still have a maximum of 100 songs

now that I think of it.. I remember awhile ago, I was able to set the slider to 100 and it would let me load more than 25, but on the phone, it would only load 25. This was on shoey's i398 mp..

I think the reason why I was able to slide it that far was because of that little file that everyone thought was the little culprit in limiting the 25 songs (something like changing the integer to 255 from 25..*remember that??*.

Then on the pcmmod flashes, it only let me slide it to 25 (i thought to myself, hey that's weird, it used to let me go higher than 25, even though it only loaded the first 25songs).

And since I've done the upgrade, it went back to the 100 song slider limit..

Just a thought.

Posted by: mattress

my slider only goes up to 31, probably due to the size of my tflash card -- 128mb

Posted by: mdt115

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattress

my slider only goes up to 31, probably due to the size of my tflash card -- 128mb

get a 512mb card!!

Posted by: mattress

Quote:

Originally Posted by mdt115

get a 512mb card!!

buy me one

ok, so far i've ruled out the following:

the upgrade is not stored in the phone itself. The 32mb flash rom is completely erased and re-written when I flash my backup files. everyone knows this.

the upgrade is not stored on the computer, I just tested this out. I copied the flash backup program, with my pre-"upgrade" backup .. along with p2k drivers to a computer that has absolutly no internet access, nor iTunes...

so the last resort would be the tflash card... my guess would be that there's something on the tflash card that's not visable through the phone/windows explorer...

maybe a protected sector or something ... I have no idea

Posted by: mattress

if someone can give me a link to download the java program "Phone Manager" maybe that will show me something different?s

Posted by: overkill23

yes...wait a minute...hey mdt115, join to irc channel...

Posted by: mattress

Phone Manager doesn't show anything extra

anyone that wants to joing IRC:
irc.terra.net.ba
#moto

Posted by: mdt115

lol i haven't used irc in over 10 years! what do i use? lol

Posted by: mattress

www.mirc.com ... after you download and install, it'll ask you to enter your name/email/etc ... just hit OK on that screen, and type "/server irc.terra.net.ba
"

then "/join #moto"

and that'll get you in there with a couple of us.. but we've all gone to bed for the night

Posted by: larvs

has anyone tried yet puttng the upgraded tflash to another i398? that could confirm a lot of our presumptions.

btw, no one from the ROKR dump thread has posted anything here? like Shoey, eyes, YMS? where are they?

Posted by: DLinK

Yea, Make sure you keep 4.9... the new itunes is really buggy.

Posted by: Panamoncreel0

My sis bought a rokr phone, i might try to get her transflash card and put it in my phone and see if it changes.

Posted by: vikna

Quote:

Originally Posted by Panamoncreel0

My sis bought a rokr phone, i might try to get her transflash card and put it in my phone and see if it changes.

andd..when actually are you going to do this?
plz update ASAP..thank you...

Posted by: mattress

I do not have another e398 to put my TF card into

I'm the only one in my area

I just created a dump file of the tflash card using linux and the "dd" command ... it's 120mb

if someone wants it to compare, i will be uploading it tonight

So here are the only options left
1) There's some kind of secret/hidden data written directly to the TF card. We need to find a way to extract this information if it's really there. This is what I am working on now.

I've ruled everything else I know of out.. I've used a previous PDS backup, I've restored R372 firmware .. I've flashed the new PCMMod 1.4d monster pack, I've formated the TF card in windows (even changed it from FAT to FAT32..) ... then when I try to set my pictures storage to transflash, it said it couldn't read it and formated the card back to FAT.

and I still have the 100 song limit .... lol ...

so I'm completely out of ideas. Is there a part of the ROM that IS NOT AFFECTED by FlashBackup? I've changed boot loaders, PDS, and main memory... everything has been erased..

Posted by: mattress

Quote:

Originally Posted by Panamoncreel0

My sis bought a rokr phone, i might try to get her transflash card and put it in my phone and see if it changes.

when you do this, your e398 iTunes may not accept the card since it's not authorized for THAT phone... just a heads up on what to expect.

if you run into that problem, all you have to do is delete the iTunes folder off the tflash card, and it should automatically regenerate the files.

good luck

Posted by: mattress

and for a recap of everything learned so far:
If you want to upgrade your iTunes to 100 songs do the following:
erase the iTunes folder from the tflash card. disconnect the phone, load iTunes 4.9 on the PC, reconnect the phone. iTunes will ask you to name it. name it either "128mb" or "512mb" (i haven't tried "256mb" yet) (name it without quotation marks of course!)

after you name it, iTunes will tell you the advantages of upgrading:

You pay $30, and get access to 100 songs.

mdt115 was the first to buy the upgrade. He made a full backup of his phone here:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=64M07WXF

I flashed this to my phone, using my own PDS file. I did not have the 100 song upgrade

....
so I went ahead and bought it too! it does not fix the expiration in itunes! you still have to use date cheat.

Here are all the files from all the partitions from my phone:
http://highspeed5.retard-b.us/e398/phone_backup.rar (5mb)

From what I can tell so far, iTunes on the PC does not change/alter anything in PHONE MEMORY. I've completely erased and reflashed everything from beginning to end in every way I know of. I've gone from R373 to R372 and back to R373. I've changed moster packs, I've reloaded the PDS. I've done all this from a computer that does not have iTunes installed.

So this rules out the computer automatically upgrading the phone whenever you reconnect it. This also rules out any data being stored in phone memory. This only leaves the transflash card.

There are only 2 files on the Tflash card, \iTunes\iTunes_Control\iTunes\
http://highspeed5.retard-b.us/e398/iTunes.rar (400kb)
Whenever you delete these files, they are automatically regenerated. They are also in the phone.
================================================== =======
Experiments:

I highly doubt this will work, but if anyone wants to try it, here it is:
I used a program called WinImage to make an image of the tflash card.
http://highspeed5.retard-b.us/e398/tflash.rar
It's 113mb compressed, 120 uncompressed

and last but not least, I've used linux to create a bit-by-bit image of the card using the "dd" command (disk dump):
http://highspeed5.retard-b.us/e398/tflash.dump.rar
this is 113mb compressed.

I don't know what else I can do for you guys ... I've tried everything ... my last suggestion would be to get random from motofan.ru to modify his FlashBackup program to make a backup of the flash card from the phone... maybe this will give us insight into the problem?

Posted by: Integra-t

Quote:

Originally Posted by Panamoncreel0

My sis bought a rokr phone, i might try to get her transflash card and put it in my phone and see if it changes.

It doesn't change anything. Just only allows you to play 25 out of the 100 or less songs you have loaded onto the T-flash from your sisters phone.

Posted by: fearsim

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattress

There are only 2 files on the Tflash card, \iTunes\iTunes_Control\iTunes\
http://highspeed5.retard-b.us/e398/iTunes.rar (400kb)
Whenever you delete these files, they are automatically regenerated. They are also in the phone.

Hmm, two files. Those two aren't in my e398 before. and i have many files. Have you tried uploading songs to see whether the no. of files there increase.

Uploaded above those two. Does not work. still 25 limit

I have >> iT.tmp
iTunesDB
iTunesPlaylist
iTunesPrefs
Play Counts
Settings
Temp File
Temp File 1
winPrefs

Posted by: etino

I have this feeling that the iTunes in your PC might have done the trick. The iTunes phone support could have written the IMEI or some soft of phone ID in your PC that allows downloading of 100 songs. I frens ROKR is said to be loaded with 120 songs! I am meeting him tomorrow to confirm.

Posted by: bengx

well...i dont think a program can actually reserve a sector jus to store bits of data..ever considered that maybe, just maybe, that itunes on pc marks some of the sectors of the tf as "damaged" in a pattern that only e398 recognises for it to allow a 100 song limit? and that whenever you reformat the card, these "damaged" sectors remain untouched?

Posted by: Aircraft800

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattress

and for a recap of everything learned so far:
If you want to upgrade your iTunes to 100 songs do the following:
erase the iTunes folder from the tflash card. disconnect the phone, load iTunes 4.9 on the PC, reconnect the phone. iTunes will ask you to name it. name it either "128mb" or "512mb" (i haven't tried "256mb" yet) (name it without quotation marks of course!)

after you name it, iTunes will tell you the advantages of upgrading:

You pay $30, and get access to 100 songs.

mdt115 was the first to buy the upgrade. He made a full backup of his phone here:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=64M07WXF

I flashed this to my phone, using my own PDS file. I did not have the 100 song upgrade

If you are right, do you know what this means!
It means that the whole time we were looking for a iTunes crack, we were looking in the wrong place!!

It somehow is located on the T-Flash card b\,
And the Expiration is there too!!
That's why you MUST have a T-Flash installed for iTunes to work! And must be in memory card mode to sinc up with PC!

If somehow we could get a backup .img file from a ROKR T-Flash, rip it down, change the IMEI number on the B\ folder, we could all have iTunes with 100 songs and no Expiration!!

I'll bet there is more to it! Sounds too simple!!

Posted by: ya_saya

i guess if iTunes on the pc from the upgrade process protect the tf with IMEI things just like what in kjava folder, we need/have to upgrade via iTunes 4.9 also to get 100 files.
I hope im wrong.

another way i can get more 25 tracks by grab my cd into 1 big file using eac.
it cant directly jump to another track but still can ff.

Posted by: fearsim

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aircraft800

I'll bet there is more to it! Sounds too simple!!

I have to agree with you. Have you tried to sync your phone with other PC's rather than the one you've upgraded from ?

Posted by: bengx

the tf card was formatted repeatly...so how could have been some file on the tf?

Posted by: etino

I think it is like this,
1. iTunes (in PC) detects a ROKR, that we might already know because of the tflash volume name.

2. You perform the upgrade, iTunes writes something in the PC that allows it to detect the phone again once connected. It is the same for iPods. I have 4 minis and 2 nanos, somehow iTunes knows which gets connected.

3. iTunes create the directory structure on the tFlash whenever a new one is found that to support for 100 tracks.

I still think, there is something on that PC somewhere. The phone is only passive, the real stuff was done from the iTunes on the PC.

That's why if you copy all the files from the 100tracks flash to your flash still gives you 25tracks simply because iTunes on your PC never register the upgrade. Just like purchasing songs from music store, there is a DB in iTunes that control all these.

Posted by: fearsim

Quote:

Originally Posted by etino

I think it is like this,
1. iTunes (in PC) detects a ROKR, that we might already know because of the tflash volume name.

2. You perform the upgrade, iTunes writes something in the PC that allows it to detect the phone again once connected. It is the same for iPods. I have 4 minis and 2 nanos, somehow iTunes knows which gets connected.

3. iTunes create the directory structure on the tFlash whenever a new one is found that to support for 100 tracks.

I still think, there is something on that PC somewhere. The phone is only passive, the real stuff was done from the iTunes on the PC.

That's why if you copy all the files from the 100tracks flash to your flash still gives you 25tracks simply because iTunes on your PC never register the upgrade. Just like purchasing songs from music store, there is a DB in iTunes that control all these.

We'll not know, unless matress or mdt115 tries it out at another PC, instead of the one he is upgrading from. Till then, i still strongly believe that it is on the phone itself. Those two new files there (look above) are totally new, not inside iTunes_control/iTunes ever before.

Posted by: mattress

yes...

if your read the thread this has been covered 2 or 3 times already. I've gone as far as copying "Flashbackup" + a pre-upgrade backup + p2k drivers to a computer that did not have iTunes installed. From this computer, I flashed my old backup, even formated the card, etc, and the phone still knows it has a 100 song limit. it has nothing to do with iTunes on PC (after the upgrade)

Posted by: etino

damn this is tough to crack ... but keep going guys, we are into something big now.

Posted by: u4ia_eclipse

Hmm, so it's not in the PC... Some say it might be in tflash, but if you formatted it and it still detects 100 songs then it cant be in the tflash...

Here's what i think:
1) You purchase the 100 song upgrade.
2) iTunes PC instructs iTunes Phone that it is upgraded.
3) Once you disconnect the Phone, it will add new files in the Phone itself that will remember the upgrade.

iTunes PC may not be able to access any part of the phone other than the Tflash but once you disconnect the Phone (or even if you havent disconnected it yet), the Phone itself can make changes in the files. So, the upgrade is still found in the Phone memory not in the Tflash. But of course there will be some checks to ensure that the iTunes upgrade is used in the phone it is intended for not in any other phone..

It may be an IMEI check, an encrypted key or something.. Apple and Moto wont allow an easy "hack" to enable the 100 song limit. They are well aware of our "modding" community so im sure they added a very good security check. $30 for an upgrade is expensive and they wont allow any profit loss.

BUT, mattress did a restore of an old backup so im still quite dumbfounded..

Could someone who did a 100 song upgrade try to use a different Tflash? Or try the tflash in another i398? If indeed the upgrade is stored in a hidden partition in the tflash, then using a different tflash with no upgrade will prove that it's right..

Posted by: lhrsouza

Humm interesting... But anyone has tried to copy the image of tflas with winimage?

We dont ignore this possibility

i´m brasilian, sorry for my english
--------------------------------

Update - it doesnt work with 128tf, the software ignore de blank spaces and copy only files and folders.

Somebody try whit 512tf ?

Posted by: etino

There is a couple of things I notice in iTunesPC, if I put it a 64MB tflash, it shows I can only put in 13 songs, a 256MB gives me 50songs and I guess for a 100 songs, you would need a 512MB. I created a volume name for 64MB as "512MB" and guess what, the phone icon with the word "512MB" remains although I plug in another phone with a different volume name. Very strange ... I dunno what else to do. I guess iTunesManager is the best option right now.

Posted by: mymoto_e398

Quote:

Originally Posted by u4ia_eclipse

Hmm, so it's not in the PC... Some say it might be in tflash, but if you formatted it and it still detects 100 songs then it cant be in the tflash...

I don't really think so.... What I believe is that the issue is in the tflash, but simple computer or phone formatting cannot read that part of the partition, therefore when the tflash is formatted, the whole information is not fully erased.

That's where maybe ITunes might be really powerfull since it can write info on the card that other s/w might not (for now)

Hope this can be cracked thou..........

Posted by: etino

Must be from the iTunesPC when upgrade, phone got updated, something move to the phone and now I don't think it's in the tflash, must be on the phone then ... arrrgggghhhh!! This is like CSI:Moto

Posted by: Aircraft800

We need to get a 526mb T-Flash from a E398 and put it in a ROKR, see if it still has 100 songs. Also we need to put T-Flash in an USB adapter (out of a E398), from PC rename IMEI folder to same IMEI as the a RORK, install in ROKR and visa versa. See if IMEI named folder in b\ must match to achieve 100 songs.

Posted by: overkill23

well, this thread has progress a lot...but, where are the russians?where are shoey, eyes, yms?here we have the solution!the only thing what we need is something who can know how to crack!but, i think the problem is in the t.f...if not, why in a 256 mb tf we have only 240?15 mb is the format?it can't be...it would be good if anyone who buy the 100 songs limit try to format his own tf with another removable disk, like a cam...or try his tf in another phone...because the limit can be in the tf, in the phone or in the program...the three maybe can regenerate the archives...sorry for my bad english...

Posted by: CyberGreg

@overkill23
I was thinking along those same lines. I ordered a memory card reader so that I can put my 128MB ROKR TFlash card and read it on Windows. As far as formatting goes, you've hit on something I have a 512MB USB memory stick and it has 496MB available after formatting. How much space is available on a 512MB TFlash card in the phone? The difference in lost space could be the key and where these "hidden" files are.
At the risk of getting my noodle slapped again.... When people say they refomated the TFlash card was it reformatted with the card in the phone or with it just connected to Windows?

I too am eager to see this through; my new E398 will be here in a day or two and I want to make it match up with my (soon to be my wife's) ROKR.

Posted by: foxcopy

Quote:

Originally Posted by u4ia_eclipse

Hmm, so it's not in the PC... Some say it might be in tflash, but if you formatted it and it still detects 100 songs then it cant be in the tflash...

Here's what i think:
1) You purchase the 100 song upgrade.
2) iTunes PC instructs iTunes Phone that it is upgraded.
3) Once you disconnect the Phone, it will add new files in the Phone itself that will remember the upgrade.

iTunes PC may not be able to access any part of the phone other than the Tflash but once you disconnect the Phone (or even if you havent disconnected it yet), the Phone itself can make changes in the files. So, the upgrade is still found in the Phone memory not in the Tflash. But of course there will be some checks to ensure that the iTunes upgrade is used in the phone it is intended for not in any other phone..

It may be an IMEI check, an encrypted key or something.. Apple and Moto wont allow an easy "hack" to enable the 100 song limit. They are well aware of our "modding" community so im sure they added a very good security check. $30 for an upgrade is expensive and they wont allow any profit loss.

you need to be looking for these update itune files,
they will be on the t-flash card and they will be in a hiddin folder..

/b/iTunes/Update/iTunesUpdate.bin
/b/iTunes/Update/iTunesUpdate.key

Posted by: Panamoncreel0

I saw my sisters phone today, and tried her tflash in my phone. The itunes screen came up like i had connected to the itunes software( do not disconnect screen). So it didnt really work and she had to go. I dont think this proves anything, sorry guys. But i figured id post anyway.

Posted by: mdt115

Quote:

Originally Posted by Panamoncreel0

I saw my sisters phone today, and tried her tflash in my phone. The itunes screen came up like i had connected to the itunes software( do not disconnect screen). So it didnt really work and she had to go. I dont think this proves anything, sorry guys. But i figured id post anyway.

What version of iTunes were you using?

Posted by: ranglin

mattress, I'm not sure how far you've gone with your restore, but how about this for a test (caution, long-winded process here):

1. Whip out your TF card and flash your phone with R372
2. Stick the TF card in a card reader, or a digital cam (with an SD adaptor) and back it up. Once this is done, format it! Maybe twice! I'd think a digi-cam might be better for the format, because a PC probably isn't as thorough with its format.
3. Stick the TF card back in the phone, make sure it works, copy something across to it (just to pretend we are using Eye's V398 again!)
4. Flash the phone back to Shoey's stock i398 and set the date back so iTunes works (I think the plain vanilla MP might be the best choice to test this)

Check the song limit on your phone. If it says 100 songs, then there is something VERY secret going on here. Something hidden on the TF, something written somewhere sneaky on the phone! If not, then...

5. Find a different PC than the one you used to upgrade the phone, install iTunes 4.9 and then plug in your brand-spanking i398, name the phone "128mb".

Check if it allows you to upload 100 songs. If so, then the hypothesis given before is right, iTunes (on the PC) is reading something from the phone (again, something sneaky) and controlling how many songs are uploaded. If not, then...

6. Go back to your backup of the TF and restore the card with your card reader. Stick it back in the phone.

Again, check how many songs you've got. If it is 100 now, then iTunes (on the phone) is reading something on the TF and setting the limit appropriately. If not, then...

7. Plug the phone into your PC with new Itunes 4.9 and see what happens.

If it works, then iTunes on the PC is reading the TF and setting the limit on the phone.

8. If all else fails, take the phone and plug it back into the original PC that did the upgrade.

I suspect something will work before this, but if not, then this means that song limit control is totally done by the PC (not likely, as I said).

I know you've done some or all of these steps before, but I think if we can sucessfully "break" the upgrade, then we can progressively add stuff to try and work out what part of the process (iTunesPC, TF, phone, combination) makes it work.

Posted by: bengx

ok...the extra space that went missing is actually used to mark the allocation table(FAT,FAT32...those stuff)...the missing space is also the bad sectors...so, the missing space is normal..unless itunes purposedly marked some sectors of the transf as bad so that the phone and itunes recognises as a "signal" for 100 songs....when the card is reformated, the bad sectors remain untouched and thus, this "signal" isnt affected...

jus a theory, but it is possible

Posted by: fearsim

Quote:

Originally Posted by ranglin

2. Stick the TF card in a card reader, or a digital cam (with an SD adaptor) and back it up. Once this is done, format it! Maybe twice! I'd think a digi-cam might be better for the format, because a PC probably isn't as thorough with its format.

Lol, if all else fails, and there is no 100 song limit, mattress would have wasted 30 bucks

I would like to stick to the theory of "hidden" files inside TF folder.

It makes a hell lot of sense.

Posted by: zirrio

I've tried using a recovery Tool (GetDataBack for FAT by RunTime Software) to see if there's any hidden file in there... but the only thing I could see is a 3,6MB section with the same structure of the main partition.. in my humble opinion it's used to "remember" which section have been used and use the other ones...
From what I know, since falsh storage devices have a shorter life than HDD, their system is made to use all the sectors of the device instead the first available as in hard disk drives.
(anybody has different information?)

Btw... I've started to think about some memory sector IN the phone.. just think about it.. iTunes connects thru a propretary software to the phone.. iTunes on phone writes "ok, this phone is elegible for 100 songs" and write "100" on a memory address.
This memory address isn't erased during flashes.
That's why we still got 100 songs even after phone erase or tf format.

What would be the proof "of nine" (as we say in Italy) is to change the TF in a phone with 100 songs... if we got 25 songs, then I'm wrong, and it's something written in the TF, otherwise, I'm right, and it's something written in the phone.

I think decompiling iTunes on phone is a good way.. I've taken a look at it but it's really messy (on pourpose, of course).

Anybody has knoweledge of Java applications validity ('cos messing with the code, I got an "application as expired" which is NOT the normal iTunes message.. I think it has to do with the Java engine and the file application dates.. maybe related to the MANIFEST file?)

Regards and keep investigating!

Posted by: ya_saya

What if all 3 components (iTunes on pc, phone & tf) are bond in 1 system? that iTunes on pc as 'master' and the other 2 are 'slaves'.
learning from iPod, that we cant plug the iPod to another pc so i guess the same situation here, and also Moto n Apple put more security here since this is the first iTunes phone if this system hacked, imagine how much this will effect their business.

Ok. this upgrade way make us a step closer how to put more files in iTunes pc but in front of it theres a big big wall that i think even only need 1 step to make this connection between that 3 components and imei things, this step is so so out of our reach. why? have you heard someone with iPod can crack this iTunes pc problem (update without erasing his internal iPod files?)

CMIIW..

Posted by: Simuki

They should find and try other transflash card not from their phone
and see if limit is still 100 songs....

Posted by: etino

I kept on saying that there is something written in the iTunesPC that recognizes the phone been upgraded. iTunesPC remembers each of my 4 iPod minis, so it does the same for ROKR too. At the sametime, that 2 files that got written to the phone when you connect to iTunesPC, so that other iTunesPC can read. I can't explain, why or how, do you still get 100 songs when you connected your iPods to other PC, very likely, yes you see 100 songs, but you can't add songs to the phone when connected to other PC. The size of tFlash determines how much you can upgrade to, 64MB limits to 15, 128MB to 25, 256MB to 50 and 512MB to 100 songs. How iTunes knows this, because every single pre-ROKR with tFlash have a volume name as such. Maybe after iTunes 5.0, that is completely different, it is more intelligent, it reads something else in the tFlash's iTunes directory. That's why our beta based iTunes on i398 is not detectable in iTunes 5.0 onwards.

I hope what I'm saying is true ... because the brainstorming is killing me!

Posted by: mattress

Quote:

Originally Posted by zirrio

Btw... I've started to think about some memory sector IN the phone.. just think about it.. iTunes connects thru a propretary software to the phone.. iTunes on phone writes "ok, this phone is elegible for 100 songs" and write "100" on a memory address.
This memory address isn't erased during flashes.
That's why we still got 100 songs even after phone erase or tf format.

very interesting hypothesis.

I've always assumed that ALL of the flashrom was erased before a flash. unless there's something going on here that I don't know about.

This is where we need rand0m from motofan.ru to help us out. I'm sure he would know a lot more about the memory on this phone since he made that backup utility..

Posted by: overkill23

mattress, did you tespoint your phone?(short the pins, etc etc)?because with this, the phone memory erased at all...

Posted by: mattress

Quote:

Originally Posted by overkill23

mattress, did you tespoint your phone?(short the pins, etc etc)?because with this, the phone memory erased at all...

no I haven't .. and I don't think I'd feel comfortable doing that to my phone LOL

I don't know what test point is, besides you have to open up your phone, and short a couple of pins together.. other than that I don't know what it does, how it works, what pins they are, or how to recover the phone afterwards..

also, i'd like to know if there's something that FlashBackup doesn't backup before I do this... I wouldn't want to lose my 100 song limit if it's actually stored in the phone (unless you guys would like to donate $30 to me to buy another update lol!)

i'm willing to do anything to help the community out though!

Posted by: overkill23

hehe, if you need money, don't problem for me...we can colect user by user 50 cents or less, and in a while, you can have your itunes again :P...because this is for all of we right?the tespoint trick is very easy...not the first time but then...there is a post by shadown phantom, where he show step by step how do you can do the tespoint...if you decided yes, tell me and i will help you in the irc chat...

Posted by: sunilgp2005

please somebody send me the crack for itunes expiry date. Thanks. My mail ID is sunilgp2004@rediffmail.com

Posted by: mattress

yeah i see the post with the directions and pictures and all... i'm still scared :x

i don't know if anyone would donate to the cause..
all this would do is find out if the song limit is actually stored in the phone or not... but it still wouldn't give us the answer as to what it is or where it's stored, or how to give it to more people

Posted by: Abomination

If the check is all to do with the TF card, is possible there are different types of TF cards? Maybe the ones that come with the ROKR's are different to the normal ones you can buy?

Posted by: zirrio

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abomination

If the check is all to do with the TF card, is possible there are different types of TF cards? Maybe the ones that come with the ROKR's are different to the normal ones you can buy?

I've bought a 256MB TF in a computer store. (So now I've two of them...) If you wanna donate me the money to do the upgrade on one of them, I'll then be able to compare the twos....

eheh

Posted by: bhwarrior

zirrio u cheap *******, lol jks, but nice scheme. most ppl have ther original 32mb and have purchased anotha mem card, so a lota ppl could have confirmed this with donations. =P

Posted by: zirrio

P.S. I'm writing this 'cos minimum size of the message is 10 characters

Posted by: fearsim

Anyone has a ROKR? Can you try it out whether it syncs with da new iTunes 6.0 ?

Posted by: DLinK

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simuki

They should find and try other transflash card not from their phone
and see if limit is still 100 songs....

Wha? Why would that make a difference?

Posted by: lupes5

Quote:

Originally Posted by fearsim

Anyone has a ROKR? Can you try it out whether it syncs with da new iTunes 6.0 ?

syncs fine with 6.0

Posted by: fearsim

Quote:

Originally Posted by lupes5

syncs fine with 6.0

It would be great, if we could decompile iTunes, and compare it between the i398 and ROKR difference, yes, it might take time, but i think somehow there's a difference inside those two iTunes.

EDIT: yay. 300 post!!!

Posted by: bhwarrior

Hrmm.. but since the ROKR has different hardware wouldnt they somehow change the iTunes for it, or make it specific for the ROKR? I have a feeling moto+apple would be *****y enough to do that.

Posted by: htn85

Quote:

Originally Posted by fearsim

congrats there fearism.

Posted by: etino

of course ROKR itunes and i398 is different, i398 is beta. Now we are working to extract the iTunes in ROKR, learn how to plug the IMEI and re-hash before uploading to i398 without recompiling. As we all already know, recompiling iTunes needs RSA and even if it is possible, we can get into serious trouble. The repurcussion is more on the RSA piece that the stuff that we are trying to achieve, else we are stucked with the beta and iTunes 4.9.

Posted by: aka Diablo

Sorry for bringing old topic back, but I just noticed something that is related to the matter discussed here...

I flashed my phone from V398 to CyberDemon 1.6 and than to SpeedDemon and even Pcmmod 1.4d2.

In the V398 I had in Settings->Phone Status-> My Tel. Numbers
2 telephone numbers with names that I stored.

Surprisingly, after flashing from V398 to any of the above MP, the phone somehow kept these "My Tel. Numbers". It survived the R373 enabler, the 12i Pre Flex and countless MP's flashed afterwards..

This means the phone have some places in the memory that doesn't get erased after all these flashings.. I bet it keeps there the songs limit and a whole bunch of other important stuff as well.

Besides, keeping this limit setting in the phone makes lot's of sense... if Apple would place it on the trans-flash, when you loose it or it malfunctions, than you will have to pay again for the upgrade ?? -> doesn't makes sense.
The same is true for keeping it on the computer (what was already ruled out). The only reasonable place to keep such settings is to be hidden in a secure place the phone.

After all this nice story... I do have a suggestion to how work around it:
There are tools for "sniffing" USB ports (links below), We need someone with some software/hardware skills to setup a sniffer between his I398 and iTunes when upgrading to 100 songs.
from the data collected from the sniffing we could reverse engineer (I hope

) what did iTunes wrote to the phone and where in the memory exactly.. and than, I hope it will be possible to reproduce with specifically-written program.

Any volunteers ?

EDIT: oops, forgotten those promised links :

http://sourceforge.net/projects/usbsnoop/

http://www.hhdsoftware.com/usbmon.html

http://www.itlocation.com/en/software/prd56685,,.htm

Posted by: CyberGreg

@aka Diablo
You'd do well to take a look at this thread

Posted by: bengx

Quote:

Originally Posted by aka Diablo

Sorry for bringing old topic back, but I just noticed something that is related to the matter discussed here...

I flashed my phone from V398 to CyberDemon 1.6 and than to SpeedDemon and even Pcmmod 1.4d2.

In the V398 I had in Settings->Phone Status-> My Tel. Numbers
2 telephone numbers with names that I stored.

Surprisingly, after flashing from V398 to any of the above MP, the phone somehow kept these "My Tel. Numbers". It survived the R373 enabler, the 12i Pre Flex and countless MP's flashed afterwards..

This means the phone have some places in the memory that doesn't get erased after all these flashings.. I bet it keeps there the songs limit and a whole bunch of other important stuff as well.

Besides, keeping this limit setting in the phone makes lot's of sense... if Apple would place it on the trans-flash, when you loose it or it malfunctions, than you will have to pay again for the upgrade ?? -> doesn't makes sense.
The same is true for keeping it on the computer (what was already ruled out). The only reasonable place to keep such settings is to be hidden in a secure place the phone.

After all this nice story... I do have a suggestion to how work around it:
There are tools for "sniffing" USB ports (links below), We need someone with some software/hardware skills to setup a sniffer between his I398 and iTunes when upgrading to 100 songs.
from the data collected from the sniffing we could reverse engineer (I hope

) what did iTunes wrote to the phone and where in the memory exactly.. and than, I hope it will be possible to reproduce with specifically-written program.

Any volunteers ?

EDIT: oops, forgotten those promised links :

http://sourceforge.net/projects/usbsnoop/

http://www.hhdsoftware.com/usbmon.html

http://www.itlocation.com/en/software/prd56685,,.htm

he has a point there...anyway ever considered that maybe the information is stored on the sim card? that's why the upgrade can be used only for one phone? coz not many people would think of exchanging sim cards to spread the upgrade

Posted by: ya_saya

im agree with diablo about theres part of information that still on the phone even we flash it with other mp.
but i think if we can 'copy' this part from upgraded 100 tracks it will still a problem with imei things.
hmmmm... but who knows this might be right if theres nobody to try it..

Posted by: Dustin-Noc1

The option to upgrade isn't available for me on iTunes, any suggestions?

Posted by: kms-lai

Regarding the tf card, has anyone come to the conclusion that the memory card may contain unallocated space, companies like scan disk like to use one size memory chip to put into there memory card eg. a 512mb chip is use for there 64tf, 128tf and 256tf.
and then lock to the figure as advertised.

you can check this link to further help you understand more on this.

ignore this post if you think it's pointless.

http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=752455

Posted by: Dustin-Noc1

Nevermind, finally got it to upgrade. 100 songs is pretty damn good.

Posted by: bobzilla2

Oh My God! LOL Look at this, someone posted this link earlier in the general moto section...it shows how you can double you're transflash memory size or something...i think something usefull might be hiding in a hidden partition

http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...55&page=1&pp=15

Hope this helps

Posted by: Miracler

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobzilla2

Oh My God! LOL Look at this, someone posted this link earlier in the general moto section...it shows how you can double you're transflash memory size or something...i think something usefull might be hiding in a hidden partition

http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...55&page=1&pp=15

Hope this helps

i think that only works for the memory sticks..not transflash cards...and isn't this info also kind of off-topic?

Posted by: larvs

upgraded mine to 100 songs two days ago, i don't think it's with the tflash. i still have my stock 64mc tflash and it still displayed 100 songs. also, i noticed when i clicked on "upgrade" button, i was using dial-up, but the process was very, very quick. we all know the transfer rate of USB which is very slow. with that in mind it should be that everything's still in the phone. i like the thoery about the personal numbers still intact even after flashing, i think that iTunes store does something to the rom chip to make it dl 100 songs. just thinking to finalize everything here.

Posted by: universalWIRE61

I'm willing to bet its a seem modification.