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Posted by: fijbert

http://www.gtrproto.com/
came accross this

looks like I'm trading in my car early

Posted by: Zaku_4

wtf>!!

lol its like the e46 m3 in terms of design. doesnt loook mean enough, to slick...

though this gtr concept looks meaner then the e90 m3's

=/

Posted by: chrix

^ it'll look mean when it's not on an angle..i think?

is this car going to be available to US/Canada?

Posted by: TheRupp

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Originally Posted by chrix

^ it'll look mean when it's not on an angle..i think?

is this car going to be available to US/Canada?

Based on the fact that it's a .com and not a .co.uk, .co.jp, .fr, etc, I'm guessing that it's a US-based site and we'd probably see it on the road. Just a guess though.

Posted by: fijbert

they want the GTR to be sold globally to increase sales..
so yes, it will be on the roads

Posted by: chrix

Really nice... Hope they will not neuter anything for the LHD versions

Posted by: buhdussy

I think it's based on the g35 chassis, and possibly a V8, at least 400hp. Just rumors thrown around in car magazines.

Posted by: chops

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Nissan GT-R prototype to be unveiled at Tokyo

Posted Oct 7, 2005, 12:00 PM ET by Randall Halcomb
Related entries: Concept Cars, Coupes, Sports/GTs

Nissan GT-R Prototype
Nissan has teased enthusiasts for years over the next GT-R. It seems the teasing will end soon. The Japanese automaker will unveil the GT-R Prototype at Tokyo this month. The exterior styling will be very close to the actual production version which is slated to show up in 2007. With Toyota developing a Lexus super car, you can imagine a GT-R versus Lexus battle playing out. We’ve heard before that the GT-R may make it to our shores, so let’s keep our fingers crossed. The pictures and press release are at the jump.

Nissan GT-R Prototype

At the 35th Tokyo Motor Show in 2001, Nissan unveiled the GT-R Concept, confirming that the GT-R legend would be continued into the 21st century. Then, at the 37th Tokyo Motor Show in 2003, Nissan announced the next-generation GT-R would be rolled out in 2007. Now with the launch of the production model just two years away, the development of the new GT-R has moved ahead again with the reveal of the GT-R PROTO.

Ultimate driving pleasure
In essence, driving pleasure means that a car responds faithfully to the driver’s wishes and performs precisely as expected. Successive generations of the GT-R have consistently pursued this vision of ultimate driving pleasure. Whether on the road or the racetrack, the GT-R has always represented ultimate performance combined with handling qualities that stay faithful to the driver’s wishes, in all conditions. As a result, the GT-R has built a reputation that extends far beyond just its loyal owner base.

Exterior design: pure performance
The design of the GT-R PROTO expresses pure GT-R heritage, coming from the first model PGC10 (1969) through R34 (1999), in a new and expressive form.
From its original roots as a pure-bred Japanese performance car, the new GT-R will now be a car sold globally, recognizing its ability to compete with the very best in the world. For the first time in its history, the new GT-R will be designed as a specific body style, and not derived from a sedan.
The design language of the GT-R PROTO is expressed by a distinctive body-style that communicates pure performance and functionality. The form of the GT-R PROTO instantly expresses its purpose and potential, but in a way that is unique to this iconic car.
At the front end, the single center air intake is designed to optimize airflow and to strongly link the identity of the GT-R from R34 to GT-R Concept (2001). Front fenders are uniquely designed through intensive analysis of the airflow around the tires, and the air vent behind the front fender also optimizes aerodynamics. The sides of the body are sculptured towards the rear fender, expressing the power and dynamic tension of the car.
The overall shape of the body combines solid and smooth surfaces to achieve the look of a well-trained athlete. The unique c-pillar crease is designed for optimum aerodynamics, reflecting the racing DNA of the GT-R.
The rear of the GT-R PROTO is strong and well defined. The signature four ring-shaped tail lamps provide an immediate visual link to previous GT-R models. Four large-bore exhaust pipes complete the purposeful look, which could only be that of a pure GT-R.
The GT-R PROTO provides for the first time a clear indication of the final design direction for the production model to be launched in 2007, the first all-new GT-R in eight years.

SOURCE

this is kind of old news, but since fjibert decided to post, might as well post an article

. oh and whoever said they are trying to increase sales, some people estimate the price tag might be close to 80g USD or more..but no one knows.

Posted by: crazeazn

alot of talk that, the domain you pointed out is fake. registered through godaddy and not through nissan's normal marketing channels

Posted by: Kakashi

It doesn't really matter whether that site is registered by Nissan or not, because that sketch is a real official Nisssan sketch and the countdown is for Tokyo Motor Show. So it's not like that site is providing false information about this new car.

Posted by: Eternity

Wirelessly posted (BlackBerry7510/4.0.0 UP.Browser/5.0.3.3)

I like it.

Posted by: Lagos

where do I sign up to get one?

Posted by: Skylinepilot

More Nissan crap, eh

Posted by: daniel6l

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Originally Posted by crazeazn

alot of talk that, the domain you pointed out is fake. registered through godaddy and not through nissan's normal marketing channels

Uh nice try.

http://www2.nissan.co.jp/MS/TOKYO2005/top.html

Click on English, line-up, GTR Proto and guess where it takes you?

Posted by: fijbert

it's unveiled
me like!!

and it's Nissan I guess and not Infiniti

Posted by: c^2

Posted by: fijbert

HOT as hell, and I love it, tho it's missing the sunroof buuuuuuut

where's the door handle? lol

Posted by: ds1

nice, i would be hard pressed to choose between this and the skyline r34 gt-r, which is my all time fave car.

Posted by: fijbert

I'd pick the R35
one simple reason
it's newer... 0kms

Posted by: celeron_266

umm...it looks like a beefed up G35 coupe...i think it looks worse than the old GTRs...and no more RB engine...do it doesnt sound like a true GTR anymore (if the rumour about a V8 is true....it will be even worse because spec wise it will look like an american car...to me japanese sports car is about pumping a much power as possible using minimal displacement......)

Posted by: alpha tag

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Originally Posted by fijbert

it's unveiled
me like!!

and it's Nissan I guess and not Infiniti

there's no infiniti in japan so.. it's nissan yes..

but i guess for a world class stage, it'd be under the nissan brand

Posted by: alpha tag

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Originally Posted by celeron_266

umm...it looks like a beefed up G35 coupe...i think it looks worse than the old GTRs...and no more RB engine...do it doesnt sound like a true GTR anymore (if the rumour about a V8 is true....it will be even worse because spec wise it will look like an american car...to me japanese sports car is about pumping a much power as possible using minimal displacement......)

a little.. although the old GT-R's were essentially beefed up skyline sedans..

well, old GT-R had a twin turbo so..

Posted by: fijbert

and how do u know this one doesnt?

Nissan said they were going to use a V6 for sure
and I read a press release sayign something that they were thinking of making it a V6 3.7L TT 450HP, ATTESA-ETS, and 7 speed sequential

Posted by: celeron_266

thats what i heard before too...something like a VQ turbo..

but between the RB and the VQ...i will definitely go for the RB...its just much more unique...whereas the VQ..basically except the sentra...all other nissans and infinities use it...

Posted by: alpha tag

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Originally Posted by celeron_266

thats what i heard before too...something like a VQ turbo..

but between the RB and the VQ...i will definitely go for the RB...its just much more unique...whereas the VQ..basically except the sentra...all other nissans and infinities use it...

for sure

smart to streamline to use one engine for all their cars much like subaru, but if something happens to the engine (ie: recall) you call back all your models

and it's happened before... luckily my pathfinder had the first VQ35DE before all other subsequent models and nothing bad thus far... 150000+ km's and still going strong

Posted by: ChoppersInc

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Originally Posted by alpha tag

there's no infiniti in japan so.. it's nissan yes..

but i guess for a world class stage, it'd be under the nissan brand

This car will be an Infiniti badged vehicle. Nissan has decided to release the Infiniti badge worldwide and separate the brands. This is their flag ship car. They can not have both the 350Z and new GTR(its only the GTR, the Skyline badge is gone, technically the US already has the Skyline. Its called the G35 here though. Check out the English version of the japanese Nissan site. http://www.nissan.co.jp/EN/lineup.html)

Chances are the car is going to use a twin turbo VQ engine. The RB is tried and true, but just like Honda's legendary B Series motors, every great engine series must come to end and the RB has served its purpose. New emission requirerments in Japan and around the world have been passed and the old TT and T motors just dont cut it anymore. The Nissan S15, R34 GTR, Toyota Supra TT, 300ZXTT, RX7 all are no longer available and the replacements that are lined up are non turbo engines. And the STi/Evo thing is because both engines have been punched out and have the boost turned down and even more of a choking exhaust to limit the emmissions. The Evo hasnt been punched yet, but Im pretty sure it wil lbe for the new Evo X. Nissan however, will be making just as much power with the VQTT most likely more stock power.

And this car is going to be in the neighborhood of around 70Gs+. This isnt the R32-34 series of GTRs. Its going to be a 911, M6, Cayman competator. No Japanese car maker has that upper eschelon sportscar market car and Infiniti will be the first to do it. They all want that German market. Acura doesnt have "named" cars anymore. They are all Alpha-numerica like Mercedes and BMW. Same with Infiniti. The BMW/MB competition is all alpha-numeric. So dont think that you are trading in your Civic for one of these. Nissan is looking at a very specific market that will move this car out of the price range of 95% of the American car buying market. They want to do to BMW and Porche, what Honda did to Ferrari with the NSX in 89-90. Which is blow them away. The original NSX was built to be a reliable Ferrari because Soichiro Honda hated that his Ferrari always broke down so he set out to build a reliabel supercar. Without him, all supercars would still suck *** and break all the time. The NSX was way ahead of its time. Time for a new one though.

All the being said, I dont like the Ghosn designed and approved Nissan/Infinitis. I dont mind the G35 coupe, but I dont like the new GTR vs the R34. And I found a way to get an R34 cheap, so once I finish college in a year Im planning on getting an R34.

Posted by: Lagos

^what he said is what I heard from my local infiniti dealer owner last week. only thing i can add is that he said its gonna be around $110,000 CAD in Canada when it is released in late 2007 as a 2008 model...

Posted by: ChoppersInc

110 CAD... Thats about 93Gs US. So this car will not be the riders wet dream the R34 was. Well it will be, but the kids will only be driving it in Grand Turismo

Posted by: fijbert

just like an R34
how much was it upon first release?
used ones go for 50,000$USD

Posted by: ChoppersInc

Im not 100% sure how much the R34s were when they were released, but the R32s and R33s were about 40-45Gs depending on options I think. They would have to be competativly priced to the Supra TT which was about 40-45Gs again on options. I believe the R34 was 50-55Gs, but the Supra also increased in price with the release of the Supra RZ in the late 90s early 00s. Im not sure because they never had a US price sheet and the British cost isnt a good measure of US cost. But I believe the numbers I have are about equal to the number of Yen at the time.

Once they get here they cost about 50Gs. I believe you can get them about 25Gs used in Japan.

Posted by: fijbert

nope
50Gs in Japan
that's where I looked when I was searching for one

www.j-garage.com

Posted by: ChoppersInc

Ahh Yoshi over at J's Garage. Yoshi is a great guy, but his prices are way over the top. He specializes in very low milage perfect condition cars. They are really great if you can afford them, but I can deal with doing some body work here in the States in exchange for a better deal on the price. Also with a higher milage car since it will only be driven on the weekends. This is not a car you get for daily driving. Too few maintance items available here in the states.

I got a quote for an R34 here in the states for about 43Gs. All set ready to register and everything. This wasnt from MotoRex nor was it "used" from another person who already owned it. It was straight from Japan. You can find them at auctions for much cheaper than 50. This is because a car has to be recertified in Japan every 2 years. And to get a car recertified it costs between 1-3Gs depending on the car. Its more economical to buy a new car every 2 years if you have the money. So used cars are cheap there if you know where to look.

Posted by: Skylinepilot

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Originally Posted by ChoppersInc

Im not 100% sure how much the R34s were when they were released, but the R32s and R33s were about 40-45Gs depending on options I think. They would have to be competativly priced to the Supra TT which was about 40-45Gs again on options. I believe the R34 was 50-55Gs, but the Supra also increased in price with the release of the Supra RZ in the late 90s early 00s. Im not sure because they never had a US price sheet and the British cost isnt a good measure of US cost. But I believe the numbers I have are about equal to the number of Yen at the time.

Once they get here they cost about 50Gs. I believe you can get them about 25Gs used in Japan.

Hmm, I think they were a bit more than that... actually I was under the impression they were nearly double that. If my memory serves me correctly they were selling the them for around $90K(USD) in Japan which didn't seem all that off considering the NSX sells for about the same amount.

The local GTR Retailer MotoRex listed them for that price and I think the used R32's were actually going for around $30K.
http://www.skylinegtr.com/STOCKLIST.html

I do know a guy who owned a few Skylines here in the states, I wish I would have asked him how much he paid and through who.

Posted by: fijbert

well, R32s go for 10-15,000$ USD depending on condition
my friend was gonna buy one
if he was gonna sell his car
but his tranny broke down and had to put all his money into fixing it so even if he sold his car, he wldnt have been able to afford it

btw, the interview and videos are up on the GT-R site

but I think they'd get away with selling it for 70
I'm sure A LOT of ppl would buy it for that price

Posted by: slickNsxy

yeah i thought the skyly was going to be released under the infinity badge in the states. not that it matters

Posted by: ChoppersInc

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Originally Posted by Skylinepilot

There is no way they cost $90K in Japan. The car wouldnt have sold. The reason the NSX sold was because its an all aluminum mid engine Ferrari contender and its a limited edition car. The NSX-R NA2(the new one) was selling for $110K US in Japan. The GTR was never a Ferrari contender. Id say a the MOST it cost about $65K, but my friend who lived in Japan said he saw them all the time so I still dont think they are that much. The Skyline, Supra and 300Z were all like the Corvette, Mustang, Camaro of Japan. Cheap power conmpared to the NSX which is a Ferrari.

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The local GTR Retailer MotoRex listed them for that price and I think the used R32's were actually going for around $30K.

The reason that MotoRex charged so much for the car was because their cars are 100% US legal. They have a front crash bumper which is missing in Japan, they went through the EPA emisions testing and they had the car crash tested by the DOT. Which means they had to import, ship, modify, test and give up 4 cars of each generation Skyline they sell.1 front crash, 1 rear, 1 for each side of the car. One car is used for emmisions before it is crashed. The DOT does not reimberse for the wrecked cars. You have to eat the cost. MotoRex is literally, on paper, a car manufacter the likes of American Honda, American Nissan or any other foriegn company that wants to sell their car here. They went through the same painstaking and money grubbing channels that every manufacter has to go through. Obviously they are an importer, but they had to go through the same things as a manufacter.

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I do know a guy who owned a few Skylines here in the states, I wish I would have asked him how much he paid and through who.

I know a place where you can get them dirt cheap compared to MotoRex. In fact this place can get almost any car you want from anywhere in the world. They have a TVR that Im looking at. Also they have a Lotus Elise that I wouldnt mind either. I know you can buy an Elise from a Lotus dealer here, but I dont want the crappy Toyota/Yamaha engine from a Celica. I want the Rover, a B18C5(1997-2001 Integra Type R) Honda or a K20A2(2002+ Integra Type R) Honda supercharged motor.

Posted by: fijbert

what's the mileage on those tho

u gotta keep that into consideration
personally, I'd rather dish out the extra cash and make sure the guy drove it very little
closer to new, the better
especially with sports cars
cuz u know they were kicked to the max

Posted by: theocrx

one of my friend open a performance parts store wich imports jdm cars and r32 gtr its about 13 000$ cdn... its always around 60 000km... he imports also some a86, pulsar gti-r, 180sx, silvia, fairlady, etc... first i wanted to have an r32 but i changed mind and i'll get a nissan pulsar gti-r.... amazing small car, 4wd, 230hp stock with a manual turbo adjuster... stock it makes 1/4 mile at 13,7 at 14psi... you can set the stock turbo up to 18psi, gives and idea!

Posted by: ChoppersInc

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Originally Posted by fijbert

what's the mileage on those tho

For me Im willing to take a higher milage car because its going to be a weekend only car. Im not about to pay to keep it in New York City. Ill keep it at my place in CT. Most of them are coming from auctions so they may have average or below milage. They may have above milage. It depends on the car.

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u gotta keep that into consideration
personally, I'd rather dish out the extra cash and make sure the guy drove it very little
closer to new, the better
especially with sports cars
cuz u know they were kicked to the max

Well it all depends on who you are as well. I can rip a motor apart and put it back together properly within a weekend so long as I have the parts. I have a list of things that I plan to check and order replacements of when I get the car. The list includes but isnt limited to new valves, new turbos, ect. The only thing that is keeping me worried is the AWD system. I have to get a manual from Britain or from Australia because I cant read Japanese yet. Some cars like to be kicked in the ***. Honda motors are notorious for this. The harder you work it, so long as you take care of it, the more power it makes. My 2003 CBR600RR made 110 RWHP with no mods at all. No fuel tuning, no exhaust, nothing and i twas still running rich. I have a fuel comp, exhaust, airfilter for it over the winter. Im hoping to find about 10WHP. So some motors like to be beaten on.

Posted by: Skylinepilot

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Originally Posted by ChoppersInc

Hmm, I thought the price was higher and they weren't as common. Oh well.

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Originally Posted by ChoppersInc

Just curious, how much is cheap? $30K's? $40K's? $50K's, more?

Posted by: OCZ

The skyline is NOT allowed to be driven in Canada...and so will this car unless the make the engine smaller and the shave off the bumper....

The same goes to Pontiac GTO!

Posted by: b_rad94

Not allowed to be driven in canada? uhh I know in edmonton there is close to around 30-40 R32 GTR's here alone..

Posted by: ChoppersInc

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Originally Posted by Skylinepilot

Hmm, I thought the price was higher and they weren't as common. Oh well.
Just curious, how much is cheap? $30K's? $40K's? $50K's, more?

I got a quote for a 2000 Skyline GTR VSPEC II for $45K USD that was signed sealed and delivered ready to be registered.

Lets also not forget that Japan has an issue with making 9 billion different models of the same car. You have the GTR, VSPEC, VSPEC II, Nur... And there are more I think. So depending on what you want you are going to have to pay for it.

BTW, the Nur was more expensive since it was limited edition and a higher state of tune. I believe the Nur was around $90K USD.

Posted by: fijbert

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Originally Posted by cellphonefreak

and so will this car unless the make the engine smaller and the shave off the bumper....

The same goes to Pontiac GTO!

uhm... and u know this how? I mean.. we dont even know what the engine is.. and shave off the bumper? what if it meets bumper test requirements?

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Originally Posted by b_rad94

Not allowed to be driven in canada? uhh I know in edmonton there is close to around 30-40 R32 GTR's here alone..

that's becuz they are considered collectors or classics
once they pass the 15yr mark, they can be imported into Canada
some stupid law like that

R32s are new only this year

Posted by: ChoppersInc

The trick is to purchase the car in the US. And there are plenty of places to buy one. Canada has import laws that are even tougher than the US. But I do know that if you buy a car in the states you can bring it to Canada and vice versa. A friend of mine bought a Civic SiR in Canada and brought here to the states when he moved back.

Posted by: b_rad94

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Originally Posted by fijbert

that's becuz they are considered collectors or classics
once they pass the 15yr mark, they can be imported into Canada
some stupid law like that

R32s are new only this year

I know that

Posted by: fijbert

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/61492/nissan_gtr.html
Nissan's iconic GT-R has come to be defined by big numbers, but at the unveiling of the GT-R Proto, the company refused to be drawn on any figures. We know that the production version of the car will be launched at Tokyo in 2007, and that the Skyline name will be dropped (the Skyline family of saloons and coupes will continue in Japan), but engine configuration, horsepower and price are all as yet unconfirmed.

However, there's good reason for Nissan's coyness. Carlos Tavares, vice president of product strategy and product planning, is determined that the GT-R will be the absolute pinnacle of both Nissan's know-how, and of the sports coupe division that is currently dominated by the Porsche 911. He won't mention any figures because he says he wants to give his engineers time to deliver their very best: 'I don't want to ask for a commitment in terms of horsepower now, because anybody who is asked to commit such a long time in advance will give a safe estimate. I don't want that estimate to become the target. The target should be the ultimate, and for the ultimate you need time and freedom.'

Despite Tavares' tight-lipped approach, it's an open secret that the new GT-R will look very much like this 'Proto' - aesthetically it's said to be around 90 per cent accurate. And as Japan's self-imposed 276bhp limit has been forgotten, the GT-R will have at least 400bhp (probably closer to 450bhp). A twin-turbo V6 and a turbo V8 have been considered (Nissan has a normally aspirated V8 in its domestic 5-series rivalling Futa saloon that could be adapted) and it looks likely that the latter option will make it to production; that would break the in-line six-cylinder tradition that runs all the way back to the original 1969 Skyline GT-R, but boost showroom appeal.

The chassis will be more consistent to the GT-R legacy. Nissan feel that it's crucial to retain the GT-R's reputation for advanced technology, so expect to see an even more sophisticated version of the R34 GT-R's electronically controlled ATTESA ET-S PRO four-wheel-drive system working in combination with Super-HICAS four-wheel steering. Rumours suggest that Nissan may even be working on active ride.

The chassis is already being tested extensively on the Nürburgring, the spiritual home of the GT-R since the R32 GT-R was developed there in 1989. With the extreme versions of the 911 as a performance benchmark, a lap time of around 7:45 will be the minimum requirement. Interestingly, neither top speed nor standing-start acceleration figures are considered priorities, but the Nürburgring lap time is at the very centre of the
GT-R's development.

The GT-R will be sold worldwide in both right- and left-hand drive. In the US it will be badged Infiniti, but in Europe and the UK (where the Infiniti brand will be launched in around 2008) it will remain under the Nissan banner. Whether this will hamper sales remains to be seen; the company feels the GT-R badge is so strong that customers will look past the Nissan logo and £70K price tag.

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well.. we got the price tag