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Posted by: sdsviet

so they will be coming in for u globetk next week. will that mean se will announce them next week or are u just getting them in early to test?

Posted by: AllGlobaltk

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Originally Posted by sdsviet

so they will be coming in for u globetk next week. will that mean se will announce them next week or are u just getting them in early to test?

From my understanding they are limited release and will be fully released by end of month. These are in box. as soon as i get ill post pictures, PROMISE!

Im loosing sleep!

Posted by: Wrk_InProgress

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Originally Posted by AllGlobaltk

From my understanding they are limited release and will be fully released by end of month. These are in box. as soon as i get ill post pictures, PROMISE!

Im loosing sleep!

I can't wait for those pictures. I really hope you are right.

Everywhere else there are reports of it being released in May/June/July.

Posted by: haritia

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Originally Posted by AllGlobaltk

From my understanding they are limited release and will be fully released by end of month. These are in box. as soon as i get ill post pictures, PROMISE!

Im loosing sleep!

Any word on the w810i?

Posted by: tkao2025

I just read on Mobile Review Forum that the P990 will be delayed till July

So what's the truth????

Posted by: AllGlobaltk

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Originally Posted by haritia

Any word on the w810i?

This month is what i hear but not sure.
The P990 i have confirmation from a few people that they are floating around in retail boxes.

Posted by: sdsviet

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Originally Posted by AllGlobaltk

From my understanding they are limited release and will be fully released by end of month. These are in box. as soon as i get ill post pictures, PROMISE!

Im loosing sleep!

i better see them pictures or else! hehe

Posted by: mathios

I don't understand why everyone is so anxious. even in the previous p-series phones se had never stood up to the release date. it always went beyond their predictions. and to tell you the truth,even if the realease date was on time it would go even furher depending on shipping from country to country. I have purchased all the p-series phones and from what I remember i would get it a month after the official se release from my provider. the conclusion is that history keeps repeating itself over and over again......

Posted by: AllGlobaltk

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Originally Posted by mathios

I don't understand why everyone is so anxious. even in the previous p-series phones se had never stood up to the release date. it always went beyond their predictions. and to tell you the truth,even if the realease date was on time it would go even furher depending on shipping from country to country. I have purchased all the p-series phones and from what I remember i would get it a month after the official se release from my provider. the conclusion is that history keeps repeating itself over and over again......

your right on pushing the release date but this just hurts them.

if another phone comes out like the trew 800 or maybe even the Q i may not spend 1300 on a P990 when it first comes out.... so to bad for them

Posted by: pdajah

@AllGlobaltk, the P990 is a 3G device but the Q is not. Don't know about the Treo 800p but I suspect it wont be 3G. Video calling on 3G is great fun.

Posted by: bobcho10

about video calling, when you make a call from the p990, does the other person have to have p990 as well or no? i guess what i'm asking is - will the p990 be able to make video calls to other brands of video calll-able phones( wireless and wireconected phones)???

Posted by: pdajah

@bobcho10, I used my XDA Exec on O2 to make a video call to my daughter on "3" and she was using her Moto v3x. I hope that answers your question (and yes the quality is very acceptable)

Posted by: nMIK-3

In some days Sony Ericsson is going to announce new accesories, one of those is going to be a new Bluetooth Hands-Free fully compitable with the P990.

Posted by: sdsviet

maybe some bluetooth stereo headphones from SE? sounds good to me. haha

Posted by: melkoumov

In a recent study conducted in Europe, which won't be available in the US proves that Bluetooth headsets and other devices that you use for communication can cause brain tumors and forms of cancer. I suggest you stop using Bluetooth headsets just as a precaution.

Posted by: sdsviet

hmm umm how reliable is this study. its like saying how cell phones and wifi causes planes to crash and that went on for 20+ yrs b4 it was all false. actually they said the same thing with cellphones but there hasnt been enough extensive research or watever for it to be entirely true.

Posted by: Prom1

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Originally Posted by melkoumov

In a recent study conducted in Europe, which won't be available in the US proves that Bluetooth headsets and other devices that you use for communication can cause brain tumors and forms of cancer. I suggest you stop using Bluetooth headsets just as a precaution.

I want to you do a querry on ANYthing BT mentioned anywhere on this site. Read through all of it and cross referrence anything with BT (ie Temperature, Oscillating/Oscillation/etc). Then come back with your source.

I'll have you know that BT with 2.4Ghz range of wireless signal 'radiates' or oscillates flesh at no more than 1degree celcius. Things like FCC test cellphones for harmful radiation that could affect the flesh or the brain. I think I stated this over a year ago in one or my posts; if you like you can search for it on the www.bluetooth.com/org sites I'm sure you'll find contradictory information to your claim there.

If your worried about cellphones or BT headsets rocking your brain you've got another think coming ... in 3..... 2 ...... 1 ... .seconds.

Think of the UHF broadcasts that TV stations have broadcasted over many MANY years .... or the signals that Airport Watch Towers broadcast to your airplane your taking to vacation. How about the Radio FM stations in magnitude or the signals that are transmitted to & from news station headquarters like CHum FM. There is so many more in daily life that you & most fearful types ignore.

Now, repeat after me ... "Fear is the mindkiller! Fear is the little death that brings ...." lol.

Posted by: kw8e

Ok. I have heard enough about BT and cancer. Let's get back to the reason why this thread started. MMMMMMM YES the P990. Any news, updates, new release dates?

Posted by: Jeffrey Lin

I was in Hong Kong Saturday and the shops tell me that it was out in very limited numbers but selling for $2,200 if you can find one. I think I'll wait.

Posted by: shockdaddyd

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey Lin

I was in Hong Kong Saturday and the shops tell me that it was out in very limited numbers but selling for $2,200 if you can find one. I think I'll wait.

That price would send me back to PPC phones.

Posted by: Wrk_InProgress

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Originally Posted by shockdaddyd

That price would send me back to PPC phones.

Does anyone have a ballpark figure for this phone, say a month into it's release (i.e. after the initial price gouging of the first few weeks) ?

Posted by: Jeffrey Lin

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Originally Posted by Wrk_InProgress

Does anyone have a ballpark figure for this phone, say a month into it's release (i.e. after the initial price gouging of the first few weeks) ?

I'd think it's going to be in the same range as the P800/900/910, which is to say between $600 to $1,000.

Posted by: AllGlobaltk

I heard it came out in limited numbers first week of feb. i was supposed to get mine but didnt

Posted by: nMIK-3

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Originally Posted by nMIK-3

In some days Sony Ericsson is going to announce new accesories, one of those is going to be a new Bluetooth Hands-Free fully compitable with the P990.

And here it is!

Posted by: GotRice

The price should be around $7000 HKD range.

Posted by: algbc

i searched Ebay and there are few people who sell sony ericsson P990

any one have any idea where do they get those phone even tho they are not released yet? are tehy stolen from ther werehouse? becasue the price are too good to be true 260 euros?

Posted by: shockdaddyd

careful with those ebay offers. many are scams. i've contacted two different people selling them on ebay – both disappeared after being questioned. and, in each case, i received an alert email from ebay warning me about those sellers.

there are people who artifically inflate account history to establish credibility / trust. they then scam people on fancy new phones like the p990.

Posted by: AllGlobaltk

its a scam no way they would sell for that cheap. that phone is priceless in the market right know

Posted by: sdsviet

here's how u tell if its a scam or not. i've been looking up the p990 on ebay a lot and its really easy to tell. just because the seller has a great feedback doesnt mean its still reliable. if the post wants u to use a different email from the ebay than its probably a hacker that stole that account. also look at the feedbacks and see what the guy has sold. if all the feedback he got was from cds and posters and all of a sudden he's selling p990s for $300. there's obviously something wrong. ebay sellers arent dumb they know exactly wat they can get for what they are selling. here's soemthing new that i just found. look at the listing date is it a one day only listing and if it is check the other items the seller is selling. if all the items are expensive electronics all listing for the same day and ending at the same time then its prolly a hacker with a stolen account that's trying to scam as much money as they can and leave off the account b4 the actual account holder finds out and changes all the posts. here are some tips u should watch out for. i've been roaming ebayfor a couple of years now so i just pick up little inconsistencies i see. hope this helps.

Posted by: inspectagadget

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Originally Posted by sdsviet

here's how u tell if its a scam or not. i've been looking up the p990 on ebay a lot and its really easy to tell. just because the seller has a great feedback doesnt mean its still reliable. if the post wants u to use a different email from the ebay than its probably a hacker that stole that account. also look at the feedbacks and see what the guy has sold. if all the feedback he got was from cds and posters and all of a sudden he's selling p990s for $300. there's obviously something wrong. ebay sellers arent dumb they know exactly wat they can get for what they are selling. here's soemthing new that i just found. look at the listing date is it a one day only listing and if it is check the other items the seller is selling. if all the items are expensive electronics all listing for the same day and ending at the same time then its prolly a hacker with a stolen account that's trying to scam as much money as they can and leave off the account b4 the actual account holder finds out and changes all the posts. here are some tips u should watch out for. i've been roaming ebayfor a couple of years now so i just pick up little inconsistencies i see. hope this helps.

Good info for anyone who's a beginner. Great post.

Posted by: algbc

thank you all

yes i did notice hes selling cd and kids toys!
but after an email i said i cant pay through western union i want to send money through a bank he dissappeared!

Posted by: pdajah

If you see any obvious scams on ebay report it to to customer services (see Help>Online security and protection>Safetty Centre). We need to drive out these scammers!

Posted by: thebruce

Western Union / Romania / Nigeria = DANGER WILL ROBINSON!!!!

Posted by: superballs

i think this is big news!!!!!!!!!
On the p990 devloper site, where it used to say, the phone will start shipping whenever. now it says
The P990 will be commerically available during Q2 2006.
!!!!!! sorry if this has already been posted

Posted by: Inclemental

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Originally Posted by superballs

i think this is big news!!!!!!!!!
On the p990 devloper site, where it used to say, the phone will start shipping whenever. now it says
The P990 will be commerically available during Q2 2006.
!!!!!! sorry if this has already been posted

they are putting new app. into the phone...so they delay the launch date...

Posted by: superballs

well, there never REALLY was a launch date. AND the point of my post is, it used to say when it would ship. but that didnt mean too much. now it says right there in black and white that it WILL be available COMMERCIALLY in Q2.

Posted by: algbc

when is q2?
marh ?

Posted by: shockdaddyd

Q2 = April through June

Posted by: Wrk_InProgress

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Originally Posted by superballs

well, there never REALLY was a launch date.

This isn't really a date, but it's a month (which is better than a quarter).

http://www.se-store.co.uk/index.cfm...home.comingSoon

For those too lazy to click the link, it says June Release (same for the M600) and an August release for the W950.

Posted by: algbc

wow that link is a good link :-)

thanks
ihope they are all released at the same time in all over europe and middle east, since UAE some times get those cellphone first!

Posted by: YESH

what do you think about this one.

http://cgi.ebay.ca/SONY-ERICSSON-P9...1QQcmdZViewItem

Posted by: Inclemental

something wrong from the way he answers questions...
from my awareness, P990 will be releasing 2 versions, the P990i (international) and P990c (mainland china)...
therefore...there shouldn't be such model as P990 for sale in the market unless its a prototype...

Posted by: sdsviet

seems a little shady. i checked at the phones that this guy says he gets first and they seem to get random positive people and say lame things and who actually sells a rokr e2 for 30bucks. seems like maybe he got his friends or his other accounts to bid on it and put positive feedback.

Posted by: tkao2025

Hard to tell. He's had a lot of negatives lately, but 3 people have bought the phone so maybe we should wait for their feedback, unless of course they are false purchases and/or by friends.

Everything seems to check out though so I don't know.

Posted by: Inclemental

he couldn't answer my question...it must be fake since SE offically announance the delay due to software problem...and this guy claim that no problem with his stock.

Posted by: rgagnon89

Since it's only Tri-Band, without the 850, how badly will this affect US coverage?

Posted by: nMIK-3

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Originally Posted by rgagnon89

Since it's only Tri-Band, without the 850, how badly will this affect US coverage?

If you are on Cingular a lot.
If you are on T-Mobile not that much...
Intepence tha area

Posted by: mobilezen

So Any other words on the release date?

Posted by: bilbo__baggins

The Sony Ericsson UK eshop says June for both P990 and M600.

Posted by: mathios

look at this... NOTICE THE PRICE......

http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=126791

Posted by: cmc0

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Originally Posted by mathios

look at this... NOTICE THE PRICE......

http://www.expansys.com/product.asp?code=126791

There's no way I'm paying $1500 for a damn phone. I'm guessing it'll be like the P800, start out $1000-$1200, but after the first 2 weeks, the price will drop fast like a rock to around $500-600

Posted by: mobilezen

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Originally Posted by cmc0

There's no way I'm paying $1500 for a damn phone. I'm guessing it'll be like the P800, start out $1000-$1200, but after the first 2 weeks, the price will drop fast like a rock to around $500-600

I remember the first P800 was sold for $2400 bucks. I don't think anyone made a big deal about the chump who bought it for that much cause it was sonyericsson's first attempt at a converged device. Still, the guy was a real monkey for purchasing it at that price. So for about $1500, it doesn't seem too shabby. I'm sure by fall the price will fall to $600-700.

Posted by: story

Would you guys choose the HTC Prophet aka JAMin, S200, DOPOD 818 Pro or this SE P990?

Posted by: skagen

Depends on the price of each and your needs. You can't really make a blanket statement like that. For me personally I feel the HTC devices are too low quality in phone hardware and ergonomics. For that Imight be willing to buy this 990 and see how it goes. But hard to say unless you've had a chance to try both really...

Posted by: story

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Originally Posted by skagen

Depends on the price of each and your needs. You can't really make a blanket statement like that. For me personally I feel the HTC devices are too low quality in phone hardware and ergonomics. For that Imight be willing to buy this 990 and see how it goes. But hard to say unless you've had a chance to try both really...

(The following is based on a user in North America, where there's no 3G but EDGE is available)

Yea, I agree that you can't say anything about it until you try both.

I tried P910i and am now using the JAMin.
I hope you tried an actual HTC phone before too.

I thought about the P990 since it does have WiFi, good camera, etc. Until I realized if I want a real PDA, shouldn't I go with a real PDA like Palm or WM device? Then I tried my first LifeDrive Palm device, it's not bad. Then I tried a XDA iis, it's too big, but it's really good in terms of functions. Now I am using the JAMin, which has WM 5.0 and it's only $600 USD and good camera (similar to K750i, I used before too). It's also available now.

The only thing SE P990 is better is having a keyboard.
Now I never tried the P990 yet, and I think only a handful of ppl actually tried it. But based on specifications, it seems a device similar exist already and doesn't have to cost over $1000 USD.

Posted by: cmc0

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Originally Posted by mobilezen

Oh yeah, I remember that, it was Bengalboy who paid that guy the $2400 for the P800, and when it came out, it was $1500, then a month later,it came down to $800. I think I'll wait until it gets under $700 though until I take the plunge

Edit: I see expansys lowered their pre-order price to $1150, still to much for my blood though

Posted by: manchuia

Almost all the preorders I have seen are at $1000. That being said, a lot of these same shops have other phones that are out that are overpriced by about $100 when doing comparison shopping.

My hope is that when it comes out it will be about 800 - 900 and then go from there. You have to consider, though, Sony might try to price the m600 at around $600 or so, so the p990 can't really drop down in price to m600 range otherwise you have overalapping items.

(yes I know the m600 is designed for a different customer, but if the prices are the same there aren't a lot of customers that will forgo a 2 mpx cam, wifi, and 3G for the sake of staying in their "segment")

Posted by: cmc0

Quote:

Originally Posted by manchuia

Almost all the preorders I have seen are at $1000. That being said, a lot of these same shops have other phones that are out that are overpriced by about $100 when doing comparison shopping.

My hope is that when it comes out it will be about 800 - 900 and then go from there. You have to consider, though, Sony might try to price the m600 at around $600 or so, so the p990 can't really drop down in price to m600 range otherwise you have overalapping items.

(yes I know the m600 is designed for a different customer, but if the prices are the same there aren't a lot of customers that will forgo a 2 mpx cam, wifi, and 3G for the sake of staying in their "segment")

Ir you can get a Blackberry 7100 for around $200-$299 unlocked, I don't see the M600 going for anything over $400-450, with that said, like I said before a reasonable price I see for the P990 is around the $700 range. Like I said, the P990 price is inflated like the other phones when they came out, but instead, I think I will wait until it drops a bit below $1000, plus it'll give developers time to develop some apps for it.

If the M600 is priced at $600, their not going to make much dent in the Blackberry market, Sony name or not.

Posted by: manchuia

depends on the users. I personaly hate blackberry. I think the 7100t I had is by far the worst phone I have ever owned. This included all the motorolas

I know I am in a minority, and I think Sony thinks that minority is enough to justify creation of the M600. We will see. I don't think the p990 price will come down that much. Maybe $100 - 200 so it settles around 800 which seems to be the going prices for everyone else's flagship smart phones (nokia n80 / n91, Moto Q, etc.)

Posted by: cmc0

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Originally Posted by manchuia

depends on the users. I personaly hate blackberry. I think the 7100t I had is by far the worst phone I have ever owned. This included all the motorolas

Still $800 seems a little overpriced for a phone with just 802.11b and an OS with next to no apps out. Other than the card scanning thing, I don't see the P990i bringing any innovation to the table that other devices (HTC Wizard) can't do

Posted by: mobilezen

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Originally Posted by cmc0

Agreed...whatever the delay is with bringing the P990 into the market, it better be a good change if any, or else it'll be met with a slighted eye from the public.

Posted by: Prom1

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Originally Posted by cmc0

Well lets see .....

1) answer or conduct a phone call while ...

2) surfing the internet via GPRS/UMTS while simultaneously ....

3 sending/receiving email via WiFi ....

all by using specific apps to do the job can this be possible. The upcoming Nokia E70 has been tested to do this already an its part of the core Symbian OS 9.1a system.

Can a PPC-PE/Smartphone from Microsoft's OS do this!?!????

Posted by: manchuia

Yeah the windows mobile phones lack UMTS, so they are a lower class for Europe than the new Symbian phones.

For the US though, you are right. This phone lacks edge, has no other really cool innovations over the HTC phones, and will be "overpriced". But (this always reminds me of penny arcade) this phone is not FOR us

! It's designed to be the SE flagship in Europe, and can pretty much compete with the other European flagship phones, so gets the flagship price

Again, personally, I am not that fond of WM5. I have an 8125 on the way in, maybe I will change my mind (I sold the SDA in three days). I like UIQ and the improvements in the multitasking that they have made.

The software issue bugs the crap out of me, and it seems very few people realize that there have been next to no announcements for upgraded software releases making both the p990 and the whole nokia N / E series the dumbest smartphones on the market. I am sure that will correct itself once the products are released, but I can wait while (if) the prices drop.

Posted by: YESH

i am one of the potential buyers for the p990, but i realised that it doen't have wireless G in it.. thats a shame coz now even nokia n91 and N80 have wirelessG.

anyways, i am pretty sure i will still get it since the 9300i i am getting tonight isn't 3G..

Posted by: sdsviet

i got a question. what are people planning to do with wireless g in a handset? stream videos? how fast and how much of the handset can utilize the wireless g?

Posted by: AdmiralAK

Is this phone out yet?

By the time it is out - it will be like the BenQ P50 - outdated

Posted by: Prom1

June man June for worldwide (see European) release.

Posted by: AdmiralAK

lol :-) - and it still lacks quadband

I used to heckle Nokia for lack of triband - now they have the leg-up and SE is trailing

Posted by: Blario

I'm mad about the lack of 3G/Edge, otherwise it'd make sense to buy it from EU and use it Cingular. This phone is becoming disqualified as my future phone.

Anyone,

What's a good alternative to this SE with US 3g? The e61 is looking good.

Posted by: mark mackarus

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Originally Posted by Blario

What's a good alternative to this SE with US 3g?

Here are some 3G phones currently available at Fonegrabber.

Posted by: p-Ostal

I dont know how many of you are like me... I click into the UIQ forum and then straight to the last page on this thread about 3 times a day on average... To see if anyone has found a place that is selling it... I cant waittttttttttt

Posted by: pdajah

UK situation:

1. A number of online retailers are selling the P990 as pre-order on the O2 network. None have a confirmed release date, but most mention 'around May'
2. www.play.com is selling the P990 (pre-order) SIM free

O2 sales told me they expect the P990 to be available the end of May or start of June
Orange is the other UK network that is expected to have the P990 early, again rumours suggest end of May

Posted by: Seabiscuit

I won't pay more than £250 for the P990.
I recently purchased a brand spanking new P910i from eBay for £190. Reason: discontinued phone. My P900 and 9500 communicator gave me plenty of use whilst waiting for the 910 to drop to a good price. The P910 and communicator (still has plenty of longevity in it) will last me until they discontinue the P990, allowing me to buy it for the right price also.
£665 for a phone? HaHaHa

Posted by: Prom1

lol, if I didnt think the pre-releases werent so catastrophically expensive myself, I'd say that thinking is ghetto! sorry no offense! I'm not rich either & I myself must wait quite a few months for a new released phone as well.

Posted by: manchuia

I am an early adopter and live in the U.S. Our carriers don't subsidize cool phones, only phones that have been out for 6 - 8 months. That being said: If this thing pokes out anywhere close to 700 - 800 I will heavily consider buying it. I might wait a bit on it depending on how much the n80 / n91 drop in the meantime, but this seems to be one fo the few phones that fills all my wants.... until the camera version of the m600 comes out and then I am on that thing like you won't believe

Posted by: Seabiscuit

The way I look at it, If I buy a phone it's still just as desireable (to me) a year after release as what it was when it was new. It's kinda like people still say 'WOW, that's a great looking phone' even a year after it's release. The reason being that very few people look past the obvious when buying a phone. The P990 will be just as desirable a year after release as it is new, because such a small % will buy the phone. Everyone else will be admiring their RAZR V3 whilst wondering how I managed to get hold of such a great phone.
I really don't like paying jacked up prices for a status symbol, strictly because it is a status symbol. I truly love the P series, but I am not so financially secure that I can afford to pay artificially high prices for the latest cool gadget. Especially when the software that gives it the functionality it deserves will cost you a further hundred bucks! A 1gb card will cost you even more (SE's habit of bundling a sub-standard memory card with a top of the range phone annoys the hell outta me). Imagine buying a Sony Vaio laptop, only to find it has a 500mb HDD included as standard LOL
Sorry to be a sceptic. It's a great phone, but not that (£665) great

Posted by: sdsviet

actuall prices on sony duos are super cheap now. its not as cheap as sd cards but they have definately drop in price. i know wat u mean when people now come up to me and ask if my p900 is new. that always makes me smile.

Posted by: jzipk

I've been holding out on buying the P910a in the U.S., and now I read about this new release - is there a place in the U.S. that sells the P910a at a great price?

With pre-release prices for P990 being like $800 - $1200 USD from what I hear, that is definitely out of the range, wondering if I can have fun with a P910a for like 6-8 months till price drop on P990 - then sell the P910a for whatever price to purchase a P990.

Thanks.

Posted by: jzipk

Have they stopped selling the P910a? It's not Sony's website to buy anymore in the U.S. - nor do some retailers have it like buy.com -- anyone? Thanks.

Posted by: Seabiscuit

It is discontinued in the UK (P910i) jzipk. Don't know about the P910a, but assumably it's the same situation.
May I ask a question of all? How many will feel like they have lost their left arm following the loss of the 5D jogdial on the P990? I use it religeously for unlocking the keypad in flip closed mode on the P910. It is a big mistake for Sony Ericsson to omit it IMO.
It is one of my favorite features on the phone. Anyone feel the same?

Posted by: Wrk_InProgress

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Originally Posted by Seabiscuit

It is discontinued in the UK (P910i) jzipk. Don't know about the P910a, but assumably it's the same situation.
May I ask a question of all? How many will feel like they have lost their left arm following the loss of the 5D jogdial on the P990? I use it religeously for unlocking the keypad in flip closed mode on the P910. It is a big mistake for Sony Ericsson to omit it IMO.
It is one of my favorite features on the phone. Anyone feel the same?

Keep in mind that right next to the 3D jogdial in the new P990, there is a back button (which I believe can be mapped to almost any other function you choose).

While it may not be as convienient for users of the old 5D jogdial, I'm sure it's something you could adapt too, while new users to the P-Series should have no problem. So basically you have a "4"D jogdial/button combo to replace the old 5D one.

Posted by: p-Ostal

I think that this 3D jogdial with the back button is good because this phone will have WIFI and thus a defined back button is very helpful when net browsing...

Posted by: manchuia

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seabiscuit

I really don't like paying jacked up prices for a status symbol, strictly because it is a status symbol. I truly love the P series, but I am not so financially secure that I can afford to pay artificially high prices for the latest cool gadget. Especially when the software that gives it the functionality it deserves will cost you a further hundred bucks! A 1gb card will cost you even more (SE's habit of bundling a sub-standard memory card with a top of the range phone annoys the hell outta me). Imagine buying a Sony Vaio laptop, only to find it has a 500mb HDD included as standard LOL
Sorry to be a sceptic. It's a great phone, but not that (£665) great

Like I said, not all the cool phones get subsidized here. I can't remember if the p910a was ever picked up by Cingular or not, but as of today its still in the low $400 for a brand new unit. The phone is over a year old and its as much as some of the newer Windows Mobile devices!!

It would be absurd for me, or any other american, to wait and hope some carrier picks this up for the price to drop to anything considered "reasonable" (low to mid 400s) without waiting a LOOOONG time for it, and by that time there will be something better on a different platform.

I also don't buy as a status symbol, I buy a.) because I like gadgets and b.) I haven't found a phone that satifies all I want from a convergence device. I ask so much from my "ultimate" phone that I don't mind paying the premium to have it (and stop cycling through cheaper alternatives). After this wait, though, I might just skip on the p990 and get one of the nokia e series and hope the m600 comes out in camera version.

Posted by: artesea

Vodafone have pushed back their release date until 21st August!!!!!

Posted by: p-Ostal

So does that mean it wont be released until then?!!! OMG im going to die...
Bought the N80 but I still need the full QWERTY!!!!

Anyone want to buy new N80s?!!!

Posted by: AdmiralAK

Quote:

Originally Posted by p-Ostal

So does that mean it wont be released until then?!!! OMG im going to die...
Bought the N80 but I still need the full QWERTY!!!!

Anyone want to buy new N80s?!!!

I will pay $300CA ;-) (just kidding)

Posted by: mark mackarus

Quote:

Originally Posted by jzipk

Have they stopped selling the P910a? It's not Sony's website to buy anymore in the U.S. - nor do some retailers have it like buy.com -- anyone? Thanks.

They're still around. Lowest on Fonegrabber is in the $300 range.

Posted by: Blario

I noticed on the specs it says that the phone is 3G capable. . . along with every other signal known to man....

Does anyone have the final word on whether it'll work with cingular's EDGE network? The EU version I mean, cause obviously it will have whatever necessary modificaitons done to it once they officially launches state side.
. . .and/or whatever new 3g network tmob is planning.

Posted by: ollywompus

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blario

I noticed on the specs it says that the phone is 3G capable. . . along with every other signal known to man....

Does anyone have the final word on whether it'll work with cingular's EDGE network? The EU version I mean, cause obviously it will have whatever necessary modificaitons done to it once they officially launches state side.
. . .and/or whatever new 3g network tmob is planning.

The 3G in it is UMTS at 2100mhz, incompatible with the only current stateside UMTS network, that being Cingulars. It doesn't include EDGE, so no luck there either. Your stuck with GPRS when not in range of an open WiFi access point.

-olly

Posted by: manchuia

i never understood that about SE. Phones that nokia don't plan for the U.S. even have EDGE as its a lowcost upgrade for carriers to perform, so in spots you don't have 3G you still have EDGE (and yes those spots exist in Europe) and then if you roam to the U.S. you can use the fastest thing available to you (at this time for GSM).

I can understand EDGE not being on the m600 or other midrange phones, but this is a business phone and you ar esaying that you can either have 3G or a dialup modem.

It just frustrates me sometimes....

Posted by: Blario

Thx Ollie for the reply.
------------
Sure is. I thought this was finally the end-all for the search of a do-everything phone I was looking for. I wonder if the e61 has Edge or something equivilate. I'm in real need of a phone at this point. I want sprint to get a real good one cause their ev-do is really cheap, although I'll go wherever the phone is.

As to why it doesn't have it, I guess cause it hasn't been released for the US yet. I hopiing, really hoping, that is why and when it would get officially announced for the US, it would have Edge or Ev-do added to it. Although it does seem like Sony would have just did that from the start.

Posted by: manchuia

That doesn't make sense. Edge is used as a cheap alternative to upgrading to 3G in europe. All the N/E series phones have edge and I think only 2 or 3 are "planned" to be released in the U.S. Its a super small chip, and its an added feature that gives the owner a piece of mind that no matter where they go they will have the option of 2.5G or 3G.

oh well. This is the way SE does things. Hopefully the other features will be phenomenal and I wont care.

Posted by: ninodelsol

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blario

The next big spectrum auction involves the same 2100 band used for 3G in Europe and is scheduled for June 29. T-Mobile plans to be very active:

http://www.wirelessweek.com/article/CA6321115.html

http://www.mobiletracker.net/archiv...pectrum-auction

Posted by: AdmiralAK

Quote:

Originally Posted by ninodelsol

The next big spectrum auction involves the same 2100 band used for 3G in Europe and is scheduled for June 29. T-Mobile plans to be very active:

We have already established that the US 2100 IS NOT the same as the world 2100 band

Why do people keep insisting one it?

Just because they say it, does not mean that it will happen

Posted by: ninodelsol

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdmiralAK

We have already established that the US 2100 IS NOT the same as the world 2100 band

Why do people keep insisting one it?

Just because they say it, does not mean that it will happen

Of course there's no guarantee - that's the nature of any auction. But many people don't know that the auction is right around the corner and the bands involved - just passing the info along. Implementation is yet another story - it might not even happen for a couple years after the auction (if any carrier bids enough to win). I think we all understand that.

In any case, the general understanding is that US UMTS is different from Europe's UMTS since Europe operates at 2100 and the U.S. for now only offers UMTS through Cingular but on the 1900 band (which they use for both uplink and downlink).

It has been the band that has largely prevented 3GPP standard incompatibility to my understanding. 3GPP standards for UMTS call for 1900 uplink, 2100 downlink -- if and when U.S. carriers win 2100 spectrum and implement it to 3GPP UMTS standards, it will be the same as in Europe.

U.S. carriers have already suggested that their intent is to conform with the standard because they know it is in their best interests for the long term. Again, if and when it happens no one knows for sure, but at least the June 29 auction is a start.

Posted by: Blario

^^^^^^^^^^^^

Now that is a VERY informative post. Thank you very much for the various details. This is all what I've been wondering about, cause many do actually call what the US has "3G". I've definitely saving this for future reference.

Posted by: mathios

m600i was released here in greece yesterday, i don't think it would be long for the p990i....

Posted by: p-Ostal

How much is a M600i converted to CAD dollars? or US?

Posted by: AdmiralAK

Personally, at this point I would much rather buy the W950i - seems like a better deal (even though it still lacks QUADBAND!

)

Posted by: p-Ostal

but it doesnt have a qwerty keyboard....

Posted by: AllGlobaltk

Quote:

Originally Posted by mathios

m600i was released here in greece yesterday, i don't think it would be long for the p990i....

hey budy can you help out some fellow hofo members

PM me maybe i can buy a few from you and you can make some money

im dieng to get one are they black or white?

Posted by: Wrk_InProgress

M600i is now available from

www.plemix.com (US dealer) and www.katshing.se (Swedish Dealer)

P990 can't be far behind (I hope) .....

Posted by: p-Ostal

I saw the box and and pictures of the accesories it comes with on clubsonyericsson's forum.

It should be not far from now, probably in 1 month?

Posted by: L Bo

Looks like I might not be getting one. At least until they make it blackberry connect compatible. I've come to rely on this too heavily to turn back to primative methods of getting my emails!!

Would love having the wifi though.

Posted by: cmc0

P990 is a ****ing joke now, alot more phones have been announced and released since that have more features. SE really dropped the ball with this one and I hope they redeem themselves with the P1000

Posted by: Blario

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmc0

P990 is a ****ing joke now, alot more phones have been announced and released since that have more features. SE really dropped the ball with this one and I hope they redeem themselves with the P1000

I think you got a point with that one. I was really forward to this phone too... but it was taking soo long to come out, i went and bought a 700w as a substitute phone b/c i knew i couldnt' wait any longer. plus I knew it was gonna be a ******** more time.

According to what you said though... what phones have been announced that do the same or more than what the p990 does? I haven't seen anythign like that, i know I got tired of waiting. If there's something like that out there, let me know!

Posted by: manchuia

Every other phone lacks something or other. The new Treos lack wifi, the Q is on the "wrong" network and touchscreen, the E61 lacks camera and touch screen, and the e70 just lacks touch screen.. The 990 is still the best of all worlds, but after reading the m600 reviews here, I think it's not going to be as strong (firmware / software) as the other business phones it is taking on.

If you are into WM5. The entire MDA/8125/k-jam line does everything and more than 990 (it includes EDGE where the 990 lacks it), and there are upgrades to that platform (hermes) that should improve performance. I personally still think the WM platform is still lacking.

Posted by: Wrk_InProgress

Quote:

Originally Posted by manchuia

The 990 is still the best of all worlds, but after reading the m600 reviews here, I think it's not going to be as strong (firmware / software) as the other business phones it is taking on.

If you are into WM5. The entire MDA/8125/k-jam line does everything and more than 990 (it includes EDGE where the 990 lacks it), and there are upgrades to that platform (hermes) that should improve performance. I personally still think the WM platform is still lacking.

A couple of things.

1.) The reviews on the M600 (both here and on other popular cellular forums) went from average ratings of poor to good to very good all within the matter of a few days. Why ? Because there was some problems with the firmware and out of the box e-mail capabilities but they were available within a matter of days.

So what gripes remain ? Some people seem to think the phone can be a bit slow opening some applications,there's no folder support for exchange, and the one handed operation leaves a lot to be desired.

The P990 has yet to be released so I don't see the same "out of the box" problems that came along with the M600 plus the two gripes can be fixed. As well, AFAIK the P990 actually has better Blackberry Support if I am to believe what I read on these boards (It can utilize BES which I believe you can't do on the M600). I know very little about the whole Blackberry process or the differences between BB Connect and BES, but that's the information I gathered from a thread in the S60 forum.

Anyway, the main point is that the software problems that initially plagued the M600 shouldn't be automatically seen as a problem with the P990.

The problems with the lack of soft keys and such are remedied with the P990's hardware configuration (even without the flip, the P990's QWERTY keypad seems to have a dedicated "phone" button).

2.) WM5 is a different platform altogether so it's hard to compare it with a UIQ3 device. However, it seems that UIQ is staying true to the form (UIQ2 vs WM2003) where it appears to be a better phone first, PDA second platform. WM5 on the other hand still is a PDA first, phone second platform - although it is leaps and bounds better than WM2003.

The MDA/8125/K-Jam line does not neccessarily do "eveything and more" than the P990. I agree it has the benefit of EDGE and 850, but that's something that's a region specific benefit (North America). The P990 still has some distinct advantages (camera), processor speed relative to OS requirements, RAM, 3G (though this is also region specific) and it has the option of true one handed use.

The upgrade to this line, the Hermes (9600/MDA II/etc) rectifies some of the problems - it bumps the camera to 2 MP, adds a faster processor and brings HSDPA.

However at the end of the day, these advances bring it on par with the P990 and it also superceedes it in terms of connectivity. Yet the P990 still holds some advantages (one-handed use).

So at the end of the day, if you look at the product roadmap of other manufacturers in this smartphone/pda category across platforms (be it WM5/S60/UIQ), I think that the P990 should (on paper at least) hold it's own against everything that's out now and everything that's going to come out over the next few quarters. I think the Hermes platform, the hw69xx series are the two that will give it a run.

Posted by: Blario

Those are two awesome *** posts! Great round-ups, lots of good info there. I was starting to have a bit of a liking for the Hermes too, but I was under the impression that it was still a generally slow phone (wizard, etc.) It's still WM5.0, but I bet it is a bit faster now, which is doable. Anyway, I still dont like the form-factor. The P990 still seems pretty damn solid, and better form-factor.... still wishing it was out already. Like I already said, my phone crashed and I was in a "need to buy right now" situation and just copped the 700w.... which certainly doesn't do everything... but is damn solid all around with some unlikeables here and there.

If this phone was out already, it would have been and would be the phone to kill all phones. Too much more delay and the inpact will definitely be softened.

Posted by: maq28

It looks like the P990 will be out in August , accodring to a friend in Dubai .

Posted by: manchuia

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wrk_InProgress

So at the end of the day, if you look at the product roadmap of other manufacturers in this smartphone/pda category across platforms (be it WM5/S60/UIQ), I think that the P990 should (on paper at least) hold it's own against everything that's out now and everything that's going to come out over the next few quarters. I think the Hermes platform, the hw69xx series are the two that will give it a run.

Great counter post to my arguments. It is often very hard to get an intelligent thought out answer on this forum.

Responses to posts

1.) The major gripes I am seeing on the m600 are still in the area of one hand use (click wheel can't answer / end calls), minor bugs (there is a seperate thread on this), and BB / Exchange connectivity. In one of the review threads a brilliant point (revelation) was made. For all those users looking to do a PDA first and a phone second (basically replace the blackberry attached to the hip) this phone still feels "incomplete".

In regards to the p990, it is often the case that usability problems that exist in one model appear in other models based on the same system (best example is the Nokia N series and the memory issues they have). My post was basically to say that I was worried that all the initial problems (where most WERE resolved with firmware updates, and additional problems can be solved with future firmware updates) could appear in the P990, and at an est $1K price I would be worried. I know this doesn't always follow suit (E61 does not share any of the same memory issues despite being S60), but I wanted to at least voice a concern.

The delay in the P990 could be to address these problems before release (send the m600 out, and get some "field testing" and update firmware on the P990 accordingly), so this may all be useless worrying and speculation on my part.

2.) I am aware WM5 is a different platform with a litany of other issues you will have to face. I even stated that I am not a fan. The region specific varieties (EDGE / 850) aside the entire MDA / 8125 line is still close to the p990, only lacking in camera and (theoretical) one hand abiltiy. I say theoretical mostly because the p990 is not out and may not have the one handed ability we think it "should" have. The Hermes line will erase the camera deficit and put it up to user opinion on which has the bettter one handed capabilities (this is an argument I wont fight because its completely subjective).

At the end of the day, I will still probably still buy this phone as I post on this forum. I am addicted to buying new / shiney things that attempt to solve my convergence device needs. Comparatively, I think there are other phones that do most things better than the p990, but then fall short in one or two categories. This is still one of the best devices (on paper) to get it all right, but we will really see once it is released.

Posted by: Wrk_InProgress

Quote:

Originally Posted by manchuia

Great counter post to my arguments. It is often very hard to get an intelligent thought out answer on this forum.

Perhaps ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by manchuia

1.) The major gripes I am seeing on the m600 are still in the area of one hand use (click wheel can't answer / end calls), minor bugs (there is a seperate thread on this), and BB / Exchange connectivity. In one of the review threads a brilliant point (revelation) was made. For all those users looking to do a PDA first and a phone second (basically replace the blackberry attached to the hip) this phone still feels "incomplete".

In regards to the p990, it is often the case that usability problems that exist in one model appear in other models based on the same system (best example is the Nokia N series and the memory issues they have). My post was basically to say that I was worried that all the initial problems (where most WERE resolved with firmware updates, and additional problems can be solved with future firmware updates) could appear in the P990, and at an est $1K price I would be worried. I know this doesn't always follow suit (E61 does not share any of the same memory issues despite being S60), but I wanted to at least voice a concern.

The delay in the P990 could be to address these problems before release (send the m600 out, and get some "field testing" and update firmware on the P990 accordingly), so this may all be useless worrying and speculation on my part.

You were perfectly valid in expressing those concerns and you've reinforced your points quite clearly once again.

I guess what I am trying to say is that the two biggest concerns with the M600 thus far have been the substandard one-handed use (no hard keys can be used to answer/end calls) and the fact that "out-of-the-box" the connectivity software was absent.

The reason why I am not as concerned as you is a.) because the P990 is a different hardware platform so the one-handed use concerns will simply be non-existant. The P990 can operate nearly identical to S60 phones with the flip closed - with more than enough hard keys for basic uses. Furthermore, the P990's FULL QWERTY keyboard seems to have more keys, including one that has a phone icon on it (what that does it anyone's guess).

b.) the connectivity software was simply "not there" with the M600. BB Connect is still not released and Exchange connectivity only was available via a SEUS update. If the software was on board and was very glitchy, I would be much more concerned. The P990 is slated to be released later than the M600, so I am confident that some of the software not included with the M600 will be included with the P990.

I am 100% confident that the P990 will remedy all the concerns with regards to point b ? Not at all, but I guess I'm a tad bit more optimistic (with reason ?!

) than you.

There are some bugs with the M600 that I am also rather certain will be present with the P990 until or IF SE releases a firmware update (including the delay within the GUI, bluetooth issues and such).

I'm also certain that the P990 is going to present a few bugs of it's own.

Lastly, the closest thing I have to an official source (Eldar from MR) on the pricing of the the P990 is around $800 USD, not close to the $1000 USD so many of us predicted (feared).

Quote:

Originally Posted by manchuia

At the end of the day, I will still probably still buy this phone as I post on this forum. I am addicted to buying new / shiney things that attempt to solve my convergence device needs. Comparatively, I think there are other phones that do most things better than the p990, but then fall short in one or two categories. This is still one of the best devices (on paper) to get it all right, but we will really see once it is released.

I apologize if I made it seem like you favoured WM5 or were unaware of the problems associated with the platform, it was not my intenion. In the end, I think both platforms have their positives, it really comes down to the end user and their specific needs.

Now...if SE would only release the damn thing.

Posted by: manchuia

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wrk_InProgress

Now...if SE would only release the damn thing.

That's what it all comes down to in the end. Us waiting for the phone to come out!

Posted by: sdsviet

it is definately taking way too long for this phone to come out. i will be really pissed if i picked this thing up in sept and have se announced a new one in nov which is what they tend to be doing. lets hope when it is released there is something new added to it or a redesign maybe? highly doubtfull but we'll see.

Posted by: p-Ostal

August guys... They keep pusing it back...

I swear it's their marketing scam... The waiting of the 990 has made me go through too many phones... E61, BBs, m600, n91, n70, k800 today... OMG!!! Still waiting...

Posted by: shockdaddyd

Quote:

Originally Posted by p-Ostal

I swear it's their marketing scam...

No marketing person worth their salt would attempt such a stunt. This is not helping SE in the least. In fact, to your point, we're all moving on from their UIQ line in favor of competitive options. They must be having technical or production issues, there's no other reasonable explanation.

Posted by: L Bo

Or maybe the phone actually just stinks.

Posted by: shockdaddyd

Now there's a thought.

:•)

Posted by: sdsviet

i would say that maybe that is true but after seeing bengalboys review of the prototype he had. it seems that is pretty good and im guessing it might just be technical issues in the production of the phone itself. maybe someone broke the machines at the plant? those thing are expensive.

Posted by: Wrk_InProgress

OR - we could not get too concerned over the August release date (as per the SE UK E-Store).

After all, that very same store still has the M600 only available in July (and we all know that the M600 is readily available).

Posted by: shtekler

I will take a UK ver. I just don't know how long it's take them to come out.
if the HP 6900 comes first then SE lost.

Posted by: Wrk_InProgress

Quote:

Originally Posted by shtekler

I will take a UK ver. I just don't know how long it's take them to come out.
if the HP 6900 comes first then SE lost.

July 17th as per Eldar from MR (and if he says a date, it's 99.9% accurate). He of course might be talking only about Russia, so other parts of the world might get the phone before or after.

Of course, even if the P990 comes out first, you might want to assess your needs and determine if the HP hw69XX series fits the bill.

It really appears to be a wonderful, wonderful device and at this moment, I am as well debating between the two.

Posted by: shtekler

so now I am going to get the first one to come out HP 6915 or the SE P990
let them rush now see wko win?

Posted by: superballs

do you guys think, at this point, that they keep pushing it back cause they are waiting on a BIG software or hardware improvment. or do you think if that was the case, it would be "advertised" and all over the site.
for example. 3.2 megapixel camera that other SE phones are getting.

Posted by: sdsviet

i doubt they are doing hardware improvements like that. i think maybe at the most is edge. massive hardware improvements would just make them put out a brand new model.

Posted by: superballs

sds, whats wrong with your p900. my friend has a p900 that appears to just have a broken scren. let me know if oyu might be interested.

Posted by: pdajah

Quote:

Originally Posted by L Bo

Or maybe the phone actually just stinks.

Having used a M600i for three weeks I don't think the P990 will stink

Posted by: Doutreo

If the P990 runs iSilo, i will have to let my E61 go

Posted by: sdsviet

oh mine is crapping out on me. signal barely comes in and cuts off at times.

Posted by: nMIK-3

This is the newsletter that you are going to receive from Sony Ericsson for the month of July.

Posted by: sdsviet

of course this shows up right as i just put in an order for the sk3. i knew it was happening right has i ordered it. crap.

Posted by: BigFeat

Every one will want a P990 once it's out. The Pxxx series will live on. Just as Sony Playstation still gets more buzz then Microsux X-BOX. My P910 is nearly 2 yrs old and I'll happily put money in the pockets of those SE corporate suits and shareholders for the P990.

Posted by: L Bo

No where in any description I found mentions if it BBC compatible or if they are working on it. Deal breaker!! I'll stick it out with my 910a as long as I can until I find something else.

Two years with the same phone is 10 years in phone years to me.

Posted by: BigFeat

Quote:

Originally Posted by L Bo

No where in any description I found mentions if it BBC compatible or if they are working on it. Deal breaker!! I'll stick it out with my 910a as long as I can until I find something else.

Two years with the same phone is 10 years in phone years to me.

RIM has the P990 in it's line of compatible phones m8. Here's the reference:

http://www.blackberry.com/products/...n_connect.shtml

Although I have not seen any client for my M600i yet.

Posted by: spindacut

has anyone else forgot that the p990 doesn't have edge, or 850 band? Arn't these really inportant in North America? especially for serious users? I agree the p990 will be a very nice toy....

Posted by: BigFeat

I don't think not having a 850 band is that big of a deal. I've been using the Pxxx series since it's inception to the market a few years ago and haven't run into network compatibility with the European standards. Especially given the fact that it hasn't been truly supported in N. America.

As far as edge technology, we may not be suffering without it at the moment. With the Wi-Fi and 3G capability I think it's giving consumers a more viable option to work with when it comes to high speed data. I would truly see a benefit to this having edge technology if the North American carriers expanded some of the services (i.e. video conferencing, gps, gaming, etc.) that the Asian and African markets have taken advantage of. There is minimal traffic over GPRS now so what would the immediate benefit be? Video/Audio streaming has not taken off as it should have considering it's been in play for the past few years and Wi-Fi is certainly the consumer choice when it comes to internet browsing. I can't guess why SE left that out of the development plan, but I'm sure it must be related to it's market value (at least in N. America).

Posted by: pachi

can anyone confirm that there is an 850 coming out for America?

Posted by: BigFeat

Quote:

Originally Posted by pachi

can anyone confirm that there is an 850 coming out for America?

There is no 850 planned for now. It would have to follow suit with the P910a. So all P990 will be international releases (non-North American) as stated in their press release back in February.

P990i Dual mode UMTS (2100MHz) - GPRS 900/1800/1900 for Europe, Asia Pacific, Middle East, Africa

P990c Dual mode UMTS (2100MHz) - GPRS 900/1800/1900 for Mainland China. (Launch for mainland China dependant on availability of 3G services.)

But why is 850 necessary?

@ LBO - By the way, BBC support is also mentioned in that same press release.

Posted by: spindacut

well at least in Canada you will need 850 band if you travel a lot outside the main centres, plus improved reception underground and in elevators...and for edge speeds having the 850 band is almost necessary (for some reason i dont get edge speeds on phones only with the 1900 band)...Personally I can't rely on maybe finding a wireless signal here and there, i need data on the go....for sure i willl get a p990 when they come out, but more for just taking pictures, media player, a few sms and just messing around on, it will never become my main device...if only Rogers had 3G

Posted by: pachi

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigFeat

But why is 850 necessary?

@ LBO - By the way, BBC support is also mentioned in that same press release.

cause i am with cingular and wouldnt mind using 850..

Posted by: ottoisblotto

Quote:

Originally Posted by pachi

can anyone confirm that there is an 850 coming out for America?

nothing yet, anyways...

but check out the white paper with full specs. It does mention the p990a.
Makes you wonder...

http://developer.sonyericsson.com/g....do?docId=85104

Posted by: L Bo

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigFeat

RIM has the P990 in it's line of compatible phones m8. Here's the reference:

http://www.blackberry.com/products/...n_connect.shtml

Although I have not seen any client for my M600i yet.

Cool. I'll start holding my breath in 3, 2, 1.....

Posted by: 100thMonkey

Quote:

Originally Posted by ottoisblotto

nothing yet, anyways...

but check out the white paper with full specs. It does mention the p990a.
Makes you wonder...

http://developer.sonyericsson.com/g....do?docId=85104

And I heard that at CeBit, the SE guys were insinuating that the P990a would only be released after WCDMA was up and running later this year

Posted by: BigFeat

Quote:

Originally Posted by pachi

cause i am with cingular and wouldnt mind using 850..

I've picked Cingular since they went GSM a few years ago. Although I seldomly use them, I don't think I've used a phone with a 850 band with them ever. Comparitvely, my service never seemed compromised from those with 850 band capable phones.

@100thMonkey - If they are waiting for WCDMA release in N. America then why aren't they targeting the Japanese market as well? Pxxx series are still pricey nowadays, that's because you'll only find them in a few import shops. They only bode well for those traveling outside of that country as only a few cities in Japan has tapped into the GSM market.

Posted by: AdmiralAK

BigFeat depends on where you are.
I am using a 1900 only phone (Boston area). I rarely notice the difference comapred to my 1900/850 phone. I only notice it in basements, garages, and in tunnels - 850 works better there

Posted by: BigFeat

Quote:

Originally Posted by AdmiralAK

BigFeat depends on where you are.
I am using a 1900 only phone (Boston area). I rarely notice the difference comapred to my 1900/850 phone. I only notice it in basements, garages, and in tunnels - 850 works better there

I see your point. I would still say that one could live without it.

Posted by: Wrk_InProgress

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigFeat

I see your point. I would still say that one could live without it.

It depends on your area and your carrier. For many in North America, 850 is an ESSENTIAL band.

Posted by: 100thMonkey

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Originally Posted by BigFeat

@100thMonkey - If they are waiting for WCDMA release in N. America then why aren't they targeting the Japanese market as well? Pxxx series are still pricey nowadays, that's because you'll only find them in a few import shops. They only bode well for those traveling outside of that country as only a few cities in Japan has tapped into the GSM market.

Just a rumour I heard as far as the release for N.A. Since they can release the P990i anytime. I think that the P990i could work on Vodaphone's WCDMA in Japan but not DoCoMo since DoCoMo uses the FOMA standard. As far what is the holdup for global release, you got me...I don't know if anybody knows why they are dragging their feet there

Posted by: BigFeat

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Originally Posted by 100thMonkey

I don't see how the P990i could work on Vodaphone's WCDMA network as it is similarly constructed to the P910i. For the months out the year I'm in Japan I have never been able to use any of my Pxxx series. They actually modified something on their phones to allow them to utilize both the WCDMA and GSM networks. At least that's the impression I got when I purchased my GSM capable phones over there. That being said, I wouldn't surmise you'd have much luck with this P990i either.

Posted by: 100thMonkey

I've never been, I could very well be wrong, but I though that people who had WCDMA 2100 mHz phones from Europe could use Voda in Japan..but I may very well be incorrect. If you have been , you obviously know better than I

Posted by: BigFeat

It's been about 4 months since I've flown out there so I couldn't provide any feedback with my M600. That being said, the M600 line is not even marketed in Japan. So I'd be skeptical as to whether their networks could support them without modification. I would think this puts the Pxxx series in the same boat.

Posted by: pachi

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Originally Posted by BigFeat

well i have a friend that lives in a dead zone...but really i dont need 850 cause my signal is always good...but would like to have it anyway..the only thing i see bad about 850 is my friend has the w810 and it drops calls for no reason.

Posted by: BigFeat

Any idea why Cingular is the only GSM carrier utilizing 850?

Posted by: AdmiralAK

Cingular is not the only carrier that is utilizing the 800 frequency.
Verizon, the former AT&T, Sprint (through nextel), SunCom and others ue 850.
Granted, not all of them are GSM, but they do use 850 ;-)

850 is used because that was the spectrum that the original wireless system (AMPS) was deployed on, so companies re-used the spectrum for newer generations of wireless.

Posted by: artesea

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Originally Posted by BigFeat

It's been about 4 months since I've flown out there so I couldn't provide any feedback with my M600. That being said, the M600 line is not even marketed in Japan. So I'd be skeptical as to whether their networks could support them without modification. I would think this puts the Pxxx series in the same boat.

Any phone which supports 3G in Europe will work on VodaJapan, so this will include the P990i.

Posted by: Louis4127

http://www.engadget.com/2006/07/10/...s-fcc-approval/

It's coming...

Posted by: 100thMonkey

no wcdma for N.A. though...

Posted by: AdmiralAK

plus it is only triband GSM....
Nokia N80 seems like a better deal

Posted by: pachi

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Originally Posted by AdmiralAK

plus it is only triband GSM....
Nokia N80 seems like a better deal

with 3 hour talk time...no thanks....i heard from alot of people the phone has the worst talk time.

Posted by: 100thMonkey

until newer batteries are used, many WCDMA devices will have bleak talk times...get ready to carry two batteries

Posted by: AdmiralAK

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Originally Posted by 100thMonkey

until newer batteries are used, many WCDMA devices will have bleak talk times...get ready to carry two batteries

or use the phone in GSM mode only

I dont talk that much - so its fine with me :-)

Posted by: Prom1

Here in Canada - ya know the OTHER GREAT part of North America - Rogers & Fido use EDGE exclusively on the 850Mhz band ... but voice and GPRS works on the 1900Mhz just fine. What I found strange is within the elevators (mirror and high steel lining) at work, my 850Mhz banded Fido SE z520a couldnt get Voice/Data calls at all; yet when I had my 2month old SE k750i I could at LEAST get MMS/Surf on Opera Mini over GPRS with 1 bar or none (but STILL having a G for GPRS) inside the elevators.

Me, I've always wanted the N80 - chances are I might still get one - but the horrible battery complaints is making me cautious .... I dont want to "HAVE TO" carry an extra battery ... I want one device for quick snapshots, on the GO video playback/recording, voice calls, music (yeah Walkman stylee), and smartphone apps! Im trying to get away from excess luggage, not going towards it.

SE is making us wait ... funny thing is Nokia has dropped the expected length of multimedia enjoyment in the N80 - possibly on purpose according to rumors of the N85/83.

I had thought that the wait for the P990i/a was bittersweet but its looking like it'll be more satisfying .... kinda like the best lay of our mobile life!

Posted by: monkeybuttdaan

Hi all,

I've been waiting for the P990i for a while, but found out today that its only for the UMTS 2100. This maybe a stupid question as I am quite new to looking at 3G phones - cause I live in Canada... but I guess it won't work (in terms of connecting to the 3G network) for the up-coming Rogers 3G network, which is to be 850 / 1900 Mhz, right? Or did I mis-understand the specs since they always say "dual band UMTS" for this phone.

Posted by: fijbert

u misunderstood

it's a triband GSM with UMTS

Posted by: Abbas

The phone is now under preorder at http://www.techdubai.com and is expected to ship second week of August. Pricing is US$945 which isnt bad at all.

Posted by: cmc0

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Originally Posted by Abbas

The phone is now under preorder at http://www.techdubai.com and is expected to ship second week of August. Pricing is US$945 which isnt bad at all.

$945 isnt' bad for you. I'd say that's mad expensive for that phone when you can get a smartphones today with more features for half the price. at least the p800 was worth $1000 when it came out, but the p990, I don't think so

Posted by: shtekler

some companies insead of talking better work fast.by the time this phone is out it absuleet.

Posted by: Airkat

was that supposed to read "obsolete"?

Posted by: Wrk_InProgress

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Originally Posted by cmc0

Can you link me to a smartphone that has more features across the board for $450 US ? The P990's delays has cost it the title of being "the king" of it's product category but it still remains at the very top.

As well, $945 is the price on initial launch. The M600 was over $800 CAD
at initial launch as well and it's dropped more than $350 CAD since then.

Posted by: shtekler

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Originally Posted by Airkat

was that supposed to read "obsolete"?

sorry if I afended you but as you see my english is not my main languge,
but as long as you understeaned me I am happy.
Joe

Posted by: Kontact

ITS FINALLY RELEASED !!!!!!

http://www.sonyericsson.com/spg.jsp...1&zone=pp&lm=pp

Posted by: p-Ostal

Mine is going to come soon time!!!

Posted by: cmc0

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Originally Posted by Wrk_InProgress

Can you link me to a smartphone that has more features across the board for $450 US ?

With exception to the 3g capabilities, you can pick up a brand new T-Mobile MDA for $350-400 now which equals the P990 feature wise

Posted by: friedbrains

P990i review at gsmarena

http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_ericss...-review-101.php

Posted by: mobilezen

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmc0

With exception to the 3g capabilities, you can pick up a brand new T-Mobile MDA for $350-400 now which equals the P990 feature wise

I feel as though the P990 is already defunct. It's been delayed by almost 2 full quarters and its not even quad band. Ah well..

Posted by: Wrk_InProgress

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Originally Posted by cmc0

With exception to the 3g capabilities, you can pick up a brand new T-Mobile MDA for $350-400 now which equals the P990 feature wise

No 3G, inferior processor, inferior camera, less one handed functionality. no Blackberry support.

It cost 350-400 and is cheaper than the P990 because it is an inferior device on paper to the P990.

Posted by: BiTurboMunkie

- agreed -

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Originally Posted by Wrk_InProgress

No 3G, inferior processor, inferior camera, less one handed functionality. no Blackberry support.

It cost 350-400 and is cheaper than the P990 because it is an inferior device on paper to the P990.

Posted by: D4SSWME

is there a max capacity limit to the memory stick pro duo that can be used in the P990?

Posted by: itsjustafone

they said 4 Gigs
but some pepole on the esato forum belive that it's gonna work also with a 8 Gs!!!!!

Posted by: D4SSWME

Thank you itsjustafone....any idea whether the USB Cable DCU-11 accessory for the P900 is also used for the P990i? am curious whether the new P990i will need a different USB cable connection than the older P900 series phones.

Posted by: itsjustafone

yes is gonna be different,
is gonna come with a new cable and a dock station.
the cable is the same used by the new SE phones
also for charging

Posted by: mobilezen

Wow, I'm actually thinking about picking this up when it comes out...my only problem is when I travel, I don't think T-Mobile US's 1900 MHz coverage will do the trick.

edit: Holy cow! didn't know it was already released!

Posted by: cmc0

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Originally Posted by mobilezen

Wow, I'm actually thinking about picking this up when it comes out...my only problem is when I travel, I don't think T-Mobile US's 1900 MHz coverage will do the trick.

edit: Holy cow! didn't know it was already released!

It's out already,it' just that right now, the store here are selling it for $1200-$1500

Posted by: mobilezen

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Originally Posted by cmc0

It's out already,it' just that right now, the store here are selling it for $1200-$1500

$949 is my lowest price I've seen.

Posted by: BiTurboMunkie

that's the price at your local retail?

i was thinking about gettin a p990 from one of those asian phone stores... ...

iirc last time i chkd most online stores were asking $980 - $1000.

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Originally Posted by cmc0

It's out already,it' just that right now, the store here are selling it for $1200-$1500

Posted by: scoundrel_ae

Axiom telecom are taking deposits for delivery on the 15th August 2006 for the new P990. Just a few more days to go. Retail price is expected in USD. 750.00 in Dubai at the City Center Axiom Shop next the Chillis restuarant.

Posted by: ice_hackey

Cellucom & Jumbo Electronics are expected to be even cheaper than Axiom.
I don't care if it's a year late - I want this damn phone.

Posted by: Wrk_InProgress

Plemix.com (aka X1837 on Ebay) has it available now:

http://plemix.com/Merchant2/merchan...egory_Code=SONP

$992 USD not including shipping.

Considering Plemix had the M600 at $800 USD at launch and now 6.5 weeks later, it's at $369 USD - I'm going to wait at least 4 weeks before taking the plunge on the 990.

This also allows me to avoid the early firmware issues and hopefully get a later shipment that comes with the higher capacity battery!

Posted by: BiTurboMunkie

yeah same here. imho i think this is the most well-rounded pda phone at the moment.

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Originally Posted by ice_hackey

I don't care if it's a year late - I want this damn phone.

Posted by: rvv

The only thing that's holding me back about this phone is non-existent availability of third party programs. It's not even backward compatible to my P910 programs. I know it will come soon, but so are other newer and better smartphones. By the time, programs are available, this phone will already be absolete. Technology is so fast, I just can't keep up!

Posted by: BiTurboMunkie

u got a point there. but the way i see the p990 is that the "basic" functions and programs the phone comes w/ = programs that you HAVE to d/l for treos / WM devices.

in regards to obsolete tech... it'll be aways like this. it cost $$$ to have the bleeding edge. however, if i like the device and it will simplify my life, i really think that's money well spent.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rvv

The only thing that's holding me back about this phone is non-existent availability of third party programs. It's not even backward compatible to my P910 programs. I know it will come soon, but so are other newer and better smartphones. By the time, programs are available, this phone will already be absolete. Technology is so fast, I just can't keep up!

Posted by: rvv

Quote:

Originally Posted by BiTurboMunkie

u got a point there. but the way i see the p990 is that the "basic" functions and programs the phone comes w/ = programs that you HAVE to d/l for treos / WM devices.

in regards to obsolete tech... it'll be aways like this. it cost $$$ to have the bleeding edge. however, if i like the device and it will simplify my life, i really think that's money well spent.

SE is marketing this as a business smartphone. Regardless of "goodness" of the basic functions included in the phone, I always elect to use programs that I am already familiar with and this requires installing third party apps to allow me to be more productive. I agree that the in-built programs are sufficient for normal users but for power users, more than basic functionality is better and sometimes a requirement.

Posted by: BiTurboMunkie

well, i always like to keep my pda lean and try to minimize the use of 3rd party apps for greater reliability. in addition, from the reviews that i've read, the p990 comes w/ quite a few biz apps for office docs, pdf, etc. most importantly, the pim on the p990 is well received . it doesn't seem like i'll need a 3rd party pim at all.

i'm not sure what particular advanced apps you need or are familiar w/ for biz purposes. but then again i use my pda phone only as a compliment to my laptop - one of the reasons why i don't even care that the p990 only supports 802.11b.

it certainly doesn't hurt to wait to get the p990. i'm sure price will come down within months if not weeks.

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Originally Posted by rvv

Posted by: ice_hackey

I want to wait as well..

Make sure syncing is smooth, wait for price drop, see if Slingbox, Skype or anything else of interest comes out for the platform, then when it's 100% ready - POUNCE

Posted by: spindacut

I can buy it in HongKong today for 1000$ flat, I will be back in canada on the 18th if anyone is interested, but right now I still feel it is way too expensive, best to wait at least a month...

Posted by: hybrid.09

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Originally Posted by spindacut

I can buy it in HongKong today for 1000$ flat, I will be back in canada on the 18th if anyone is interested, but right now I still feel it is way too expensive, best to wait at least a month...