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S46 Field Test/ Net Monitor... HOW?
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Posted by: RichXKU

PLEASE tell me theres a way to run a Field Test mode on the S46, in either GSM, TDMA or both networks.

I use that data in many projects for GIS, and I've had it on for so long on my 3360 that it would eat me up to now know what tower/band/mode I was on etc.

Thanks!

Posted by: RenoWirelessGuru

See this post from October http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...&threadid=57882

Posted by: RichXKU

You rock Ned! Nothing came up in the search.

Can't wait to try it out, but as of now I haven't even had time to put my phone numbers in yet.

Posted by: RenoWirelessGuru

Here's the link to the download site http://www.lcard.ru/~gorinov/xsiemens.html

Check out the link under "Links" to get a description of what the menus mean.

Posted by: RichXKU

well, I put the phone in front of the laptop (laptop recognised the phone) and ran the prog. I hit start, a listbox for irDa devices came up and the S46 was listed , I select it, and hit ok, and it says "Can't connect to IrDA device"

And thats the end of it. When I hit Menu, # I get a developer menu with "Monitor" and "GPRS Monitor" listed, despite the program not working. I don't have the full listing with the charge monitor, etc though.

Any Ideas?

Posted by: nfsmith

I'm not sure if this is the issue, but if you're running Win 2000, you may need to apply a post SP 2 patch to get the IR to work like a com port.

This isn't needed for syncing with Outlook, but it is needed to connect a laptop to the internet through the phone using IR.

If you need the patch, see: http://support.microsoft.com/defaul...b;en-us;Q252795

Posted by: RenoWirelessGuru

The program defaults to Code 2 which is just Monitor and GPRS Monitor (that's all I was interested in). To enable all the Monitor tools, you need to select and transfer Code 1 into your phone. It sounds as if even though the program said their was an IrDA problem , it worked anyways. Here's a picture of mine.

Posted by: RichXKU

Well I just activated the full monitor setup...

win98 places the IR on COM 5, which threw me off because hte program only goes up to 4... if I type "COM5:" in manually it connects!... I power cycled the phone and there were my options.

Thank you again for your help.

Now to figure out the correllation between TDMA and GSM Site IDs...

Posted by: RenoWirelessGuru

Yeah, the GSM monitor is in Hexadecimal format. Here's a conversion tool I found http://www.geocities.com/binary_converter/

Posted by: RichXKU

well I've found for the most part that the GSM site ID is the same as the TDMA site ID, with a 10 in front and a 1, 2 or 3 after it (indicating sector). TDMA Site 82 would be '10821, 10822 or 10823' There are a few exceptions, but we'll save all that for the AT&T forum.

as far as the S46, it continues to amaze me

Posted by: RenoWirelessGuru

Same pattern of identifying cell IDs (GSM) vs. DVC (TDMA) here, except there is no prefix. Sure wish the s46 wasn't in hex.

Posted by: RichXKU

if I'm mapping towers on purpose, I will have my laptop with me. I can just use Windows Calculator to convert.

Posted by: RenoWirelessGuru

I just found this site that describes the s46 Net Monitor screens http://web.quick.cz/s45/sm/

I'm looking for what the "G##" means, on the first line after RX.
Can anyone translate Czech

Quote:

G Podpora GPRS (- je bez podpory), pamatuje si poslední hodnotu TA (Timing Advance) z minulého spojení (v režimu bez hovoru se nemìní)

into english? Google wouldn't do it. http://www.tranexp.com:2000/Translate/ said something about GRPS and timing advance - but I still couldn't understand completely.

Thank you.

Posted by: RenoWirelessGuru

bump ?

Posted by: DaKine911

Quote:

Originally posted by RichXKU
well I've found for the most part that the GSM site ID is the same as the TDMA site ID, with a 10 in front and a 1, 2 or 3 after it (indicating sector). TDMA Site 82 would be '10821, 10822 or 10823' There are a few exceptions, but we'll save all that for the AT&T forum.

as far as the S46, it continues to amaze me

Same goes for the SF Bay area - The site ID(s) being reported by the GSM network are the same as for TDMA.

Now, does anyone know how the sectors are numbered? If I remember correctly, AT&T numbers the voice sectors (on a site with three sectors) in a clockwise fashion, with sector 1 at 20 degrees, sector 2 at 140 degrees, and sector 3 at 260 degrees . The GSM site/sector ID's I've seen so far seem to confirm this, however, I ran into a couple of site ID's that ended in 0 (zero) and one that ended with a 4...

Posted by: RenoWirelessGuru

Quote:

Originally posted by DaKine911
If I remember correctly, AT&T numbers the voice sectors (on a site with three sectors) in a clockwise fashion, with sector 1 at 20 degrees, sector 2 at 140 degrees, and sector 3 at 260 degrees . The GSM site/sector ID's I've seen so far seem to confirm this, however, I ran into a couple of site ID's that ended in 0 (zero) and one that ended with a 4...

That's generally what I've found too. "0" is an omni site (no sectors). Some guesses on what a "4" might be: a micro cell site (probably omni), or it might be a macro cell site with 4 sectors. You could confirm the later if you see a 3-2-1 also associated with that site.

Posted by: DaKine911

Not sure if everyone has already heard of this software, but just incase - I ran across this "Mobile Navigator" software over the weekend, and am giving it a try (free 30 day trial). It works with most of the Siemens GSM phones, along with the t68i, etc:

Mobile Navigator Software

Obviously, you have to tether your S46 to a PC with a cable or via IR to use it...

It's pretty slick, and gives you alot of the same information as the "monitor" screens on the phone do, but it's alot easier to read than from the phone's screen. It also allows you to manage your phone book entries, look at your call logs, SMS messages, etc. It will also graph the signal strength being received by your phone over time. It appears to have a ton of other tools, I haven't really explored it fully yet...

(I have no connection to the company that makes this software...)

Posted by: RenoWirelessGuru

It sounds cool if you're at home tethered to your computer. But it would be nice to have the same information available while mobile doing drive tests.

Posted by: RichXKU

Quote:

Originally posted by NedDorsey
That's generally what I've found too. "0" is an omni site (no sectors). Some guesses on what a "4" might be: a micro cell site (probably omni), or it might be a macro cell site with 4 sectors. You could confirm the later if you see a 3-2-1 also associated with that site.

I found my first omni micro site friday at the mall, it's GSM only. TDMA is just repeated from the site located on the mountain a few miles away.

The equipment seems to be in a small box hanging from the ceiling directly over... you guessed it, the AT&T stand. (which is adjacent to the AT&T Store too)

Posted by: RenoWirelessGuru

I haven't found any Micro sites in my area. What was the CID on the Micro site - 0 or 4?

Posted by: RichXKU

It is a 0

Posted by: RenoWirelessGuru

Quote:

Originally posted by RichXKU
It is a 0

Posted by: RichXKU

Bump Again... Still want to know what the "Gxx" number means.

Normally I get G03, but I've seen G01, and G02. Rarely I've seen G25, and just now for the first time I have G00 This is all around town and in my apartment.

Posted by: RenoWirelessGuru

Quote:

Originally posted by RichXKU
Bump Again... Still want to know what the "Gxx" number means.

Normally I get G03, but I've seen G01, and G02. Rarely I've seen G25, and just now for the first time I have G00 This is all around town and in my apartment.

I think it has something to do with GPRS Timing Advance. I'm speculating that somehow it relates to your distance from the last cell site that your phone registered a call or data transfer with. I've noticed that if I make a call from right next to a cell site, the number will be very low. The number will remain the same as you drive further away from the cellsite. If you then make or receive a call through the same cellsite from a distance of a mile away, the number will change to a higher number. I've also noticed that if I am near a cellsite and walk into a heavily shielded building and make a call, even though my signal strength drops considerably - the Timing Advance remains about the same - since technically you're the same distance from the cell site.

This is all personal observations and speculation. Anyone with any different observations - or facts on this matter - please jump in. Curious minds want to know.

Posted by: RichXKU

After watching my phone, I've seen the number change as it just sits there, with no calls. Here at the apartment I've seen it go from G03, then to G25 for a a few minutes, then back to G03. The base station and sector was the same the whole time.
Time to find a Siemens tech

Edit: we've just switched now to G20