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Originally Posted by zachavm
Not to rag on anyone, but I'm guessing that a lot of the people dogging this price rang are the ones who have allready bought a k-jam or 9100 for alot more.
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Originally Posted by eimajuno
All I want is it to be released. And as soon as it is, I will buy one, no contract of course. Did you get any dates on the official release. No one has given me anything concrete yet.
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Originally Posted by gps
I've heard NOTHING. The rebate on the phone goes into effect on 11-6, so I'd assume it'll be available then. Apparently there are 20,000 units in the warehouse right now.
There's another Cingular phone that's merely labeled "2125". |
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Originally Posted by Rock3nrenigade
All I know is that is mine!
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Originally Posted by zachavm
Couple questions for the thred starter:
Are you and employee, or did you find this info somewhere? Do you have a larger version of the picture or more pictures? Anymore insider info for us (if you are an insider)? Zach |
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Originally Posted by psage
I played with these at CTIA and found them kind of clunky and annoying.
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Originally Posted by zachavm
Not to rag on anyone, but I'm guessing that a lot of the people dogging this price rang are the ones who have allready bought a k-jam or 9100 for alot more.
Am I right? |
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Originally Posted by exchguy
The prices, while low for the 8125 seem to be confirmed by multiple sources. The SX66 is going for around $450 and that is a device that is out of date, so I guess I can believe it.
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Originally Posted by jlczl
Precisely. I paid high $$$ for my 9100 (fortunately I got quite a handsome credit on my account for buying a handset that Cingular couldn't provide me) and Cingular knows that. They know the going price on these. Do you really believe they are going to hand out these phones at such a low price WITHOUT a contract? What's in it for them? They want you to get SERVICE with them, not just a handset. They DO NOT WANT THE WHOLE WORLD USING THEM TO BUY THE MOST RECENT PPC PHONE AND THEN USING IT ON ANOTHER NETWORK AFTER UNLOCKING IT (which will not be too dificult).
That being said, I do believe that it could have an attractive price WITH contract. |
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Originally Posted by eimajuno
...waiting for release...
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Originally Posted by mjrkjm
i know gps posted pics.....
but did someone say the cingular wizard will have built in gps or did i get confused? |
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Originally Posted by StattlichPassat
This thread needs pics!
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Originally Posted by gps
GPS isn't on the spec sheet.
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Originally Posted by eimajuno
I want this to be out already.
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GPS---Cingular Branded 8100 & 8125 Have you guys seen this thing? The 8100 does NOT have a camera and the 8125 does. I'd love to post a good pic of it, but the limitations of this board don't allow for it. Here are the specs: Microsoft Windows Mobile 5.0 Pocket PC Phone Edition 128MB SDRAM / 64MB Flash ROM GSM / GPRS / EDGE Quad-Band 850/900/1800/1900 MHz Class 10 Multi-slot Bluetooth / WiFi / Infrared / Mini-USB / Mini-SD Build-in Microphone and 3D Surround Speakers w/ External Stereo Audio Jack AMR / AAC / WAV / WMA / MP3 / MPEG-4 / H.263 Media Player MMS / JAVA / MPEG-4 Streaming / SVG / PDF / OMA DMA Voice Command / FAX Support GoodLink and XpressMail stub apps in ROM Looks nice to me!! Can anyone tell who actually makes it? Pricing: Cingular no commitment: $449.99 |
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Originally Posted by gps
Here are the specs:
Microsoft Windows Mobile 5.0 Pocket PC Phone Edition 128MB SDRAM / 64MB Flash ROM GSM / GPRS / EDGE Quad-Band 850/900/1800/1900 MHz Class 10 Multi-slot Bluetooth / WiFi / Infrared / Mini-USB / Mini-SD Build-in Microphone and 3D Surround Speakers w/ External Stereo Audio Jack AMR / AAC / WAV / WMA / MP3 / MPEG-4 / H.263 Media Player MMS / JAVA / MPEG-4 Streaming / SVG / PDF / OMA DMA Voice Command / FAX Support GoodLink and XpressMail stub apps in ROM |
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Originally Posted by zachavm
Now I know why eimajuno has 6,000 posts. He just said "I want it" in like 5 posts already
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Originally Posted by MadMonkeyBoy
Are you as sure about these specs, as you are about the price?
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Originally Posted by nskgti23
Are you doubting the pricing?
I'm pretty confident it is correct... |
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Originally Posted by tschabo
something is fishy, you must admit. The specs are certainly screwed up... who knows, maybe Cingular has taken out WiFi or something of that sort.
When the SX66 came out a year ago, the price was about $100-$200 less than imate's PDA2k. With the prices quoted, this phone would be $300-$400 than the K-Jam or 9100. |
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They have suggested the pricing below, which makes sense to me... $299 is the no contract price... That is $100 off for the 2 year contract and $50 off for the unlimited PDA data plan. This means the no contract price would be $449. These are the same discounts that they give on the Treo 650 or the SX66. The device is just a lower price point than either of the devices. You have to remember that the iMate/qtek devices are priced at what they believe the market will handle... Cingular on the other hand wants to price the device to sell well. The device will have WiFi and is identical spec wise to the QTek and iMate. Yes the exterior will be different, but the specs are the same... I'd love to provide more info, but I am not willing to disclose anything that hasn't already been posted by other sources... |
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Originally Posted by trim99
great info nskgti23.
i appreciate your insight |
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Originally Posted by nskgti23
I only posted what has been discussed both here and on MGN. It is a fine line that I walk to ensure I don't break my NDA at Cingular....
I could give exact specifics on release dates if I didn't give a damn about my job, but I live in the most expensive city in the US and even a month or two would suck without a job. |
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Originally Posted by zachavm
Um... can you give us a hint? Like, should I plan on having service traviling through rural Oklahoma durring Thanksgiving? (I.E. areas, my current sprint plan doesn't have coverage.)
Should I Be getting very excited right now? Or should I withhold my excitment for say a month or two so. Zach |
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Originally Posted by MadMonkeyBoy
This is the part that clearly doesn't make sence to me |
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Originally Posted by nskgti23
Does it not make sense to you because it could cost you a lot of money? If Cingular releases this product at almost half of what you charge, it would seriously hurt your business, especially to Cingular customers.
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Originally Posted by aaronscool
Well I wasn't going to be that harsh because MMB is a pretty stand up guy. That said I think if Cingular wanted to sell these units at cost or a small loss, they would most likely do so in order to get back the data plans folks would subscribe to.
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Originally Posted by Omega2008
it makes alot of sense that Cingular will sell these devices that low.
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Originally Posted by tschabo
why start with the Wizard? Why didn't they sell the SX66 or Treo650 that cheap a year ago? Also, why not sell the HW6515 for that much?
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Originally Posted by tschabo
I have doubts about the specs posted as well. Somebody must have been very sloppy or just wants to tease
- build-in is obviously a typo: should read built-in - all the other Wizards out already have 64MB RAM and 128MB ROM, this one has it the other way around??? - I have seen threads that the Wizards out there do NOT have fax support - not sure if I believe that a GoodLink client will be in ROM, XpressMail yes |
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Originally Posted by Perceptions
At the price point it covers business users, the geeks(like us), and teenagers (those who want a sidekick alternative). If Cingular is eating the costs of the device thinking they will recoupe their costs with 39.99 data plans they will piss off the geeks and the teens. This ofcourse can be overcome by letting the last two groups on the 19.99 data plan even though it is taboo. I think Cingular gets as much as they can from 39.99 data plans and then those who get the 19.99 data plan is just added revenue although they were hoping they get the 39.99 data package.
Take 2: If it is launched as an HTC model and not rebadged it could be that HTC drops the price on the phone to a general consumer friendly price point to build brand awareness for its product line Importluva - The HP analogy works but the not the PDA2K (iMate brand), HTC could have offered the Blue Angel(what HTC calles it) directly to Cingular instead of going through Siemens. Again this makes me think that it will be HTC launching in North America as a new OEM. |
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Originally Posted by gps
Why the hell would I come on here and take the time to post all this $hlt just to have a little fun??? I don't have time to screw around like that.
Hey, if the info I posted is wrong, then blame the author of our launch documents. You think I typed out that crap? Cut and paste...that's all I did. Here, I'll cut and paste it again. See if it reads the same way. "128MB SDRAM / 64MB Flash ROM". I did notice the "Build-in Microphone and 3D Surround Speakers w/ External Stereo Audio Jack", and it's merely a typo. We all make 'em. Again, I'm just a messenger who's trying to give you guys a little info. "You" are the people who appreciate and use these devices. That's why I'm trying to throw you a bone. Good Lord!!! |
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Originally Posted by importluva
No, it would still work because siemens branded it, thus making the unit cost more to cingular. If HTC did actually give cingular the blue angel bypassing siemens, then my analogy would have had a hole in it. Siemens is the company that sold the SX66 to cingular - NOT HTC. HTC and Siemens are completely different companies
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Originally Posted by Omega2008
Everything you said is correct and true.
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Originally Posted by tschabo
do you have your period, or what???
A launch documents with that many errors? You got to be kiddin me |
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Originally Posted by tschabo
do you have your period, or what???
A launch documents with that many errors? You got to be kiddin me |
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Originally Posted by tschabo
EVERYTHING? Just compare the specs you posted on MGN and the specs posted in this thread..
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Originally Posted by aaronscool
ok...so someone confused RAM with ROM and misspelled Built-In. Seems like this phone can't be real then.
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Originally Posted by Perceptions
HTC designed the Blue Angel, Siemens branded it, cost more for the consumer...this I agree with you.
My question is why didn't HTC last year just go straight to Cingular and said, hey we have this device called the Blue Angel. Instead of waiting til now with the Wizard. |
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Originally Posted by aaronscool
ok...so someone confused RAM with ROM and misspelled Built-In. Seems like this phone can't be real then.
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Originally Posted by psage
I played with these at CTIA and found them kind of clunky and annoying.
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Originally Posted by Omega2008
Trust me....it makes alot of sense that Cingular will sell these devices that low.
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Originally Posted by Omega2008
if any manufactuer could sell them to a carrier at such a low price that Cingular can use that to the advantage to pass alog to customers and boost there data centric device sales...it would be HTC.
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Originally Posted by jlczl
Might it happen? Possibly. Maybe even probably. For certain? I wouldn't stake anything of value on it.
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Originally Posted by jlczl
2nd mistake: Since when are these large cellular companies known for passing the savings onto the customer instead of lining their own pockets?
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Originally Posted by gps
On the front end yes, but they'll get it back...especially with this device. Most people who buy this device WILL use data, and probably lots of it. Data usage is almost all profit.
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Originally Posted by zachavm
Man this thread has a lot of pointless rant. I think these are the conclusions we have:
1) This is device has the same physical specs as the k-jam and the 9100, but has a different form factor and build materials. 2) The price that we are hearing should be considered the most likely as it is the only one we have heard and it has come from multiple sources. However, things can change at the last minuet, so they aren't set in stone. 3) The specs given are simply copied from a cingular database and should not be considered free of typos. Finally, my guess is that Cingular is rebranding this phone themselves because they now can. Before, they probably needed another company to do the rebranding work for them. They probably hired some employees and expanded to the needed capabilies to directly brand it themselves. Then they called it the HTC because all the other phones have manufactuers other than cingular and HTC if fairly recognizable among those in the know. This pulls out the middle man and pushes down the price. All that was a mouthfull, but I think I summarized this thread well. Zach |
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Originally Posted by zachavm
okay, Check this out guys. Omega himself (on MGN) basicly said that it would be between the 13th and 19th. Which I will (in my own snap discision way) assume to mean the 16th. This is a super unofficial date, but I can't help myself, I'm starting a countdown.
http://www.mobilegadgetnews.com/ind...pic=10065&st=60 Zach |
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Originally Posted by Perceptions
i hope Omega's source is reliable for all our sake.
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Originally Posted by nskgti23
Both devices 2125 and 8125 should come out at the same time barring any issues. I haven't heard 100% confirmation on the dates yet though...
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Originally Posted by Quatre
what is the 2125? a new version of the smt 5600 type of thing?
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Originally Posted by Quatre
what is the 2125? a new version of the smt 5600 type of thing?
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Originally Posted by Quatre
why, what happens to all of us if it isn't?
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Originally Posted by Omega2008
Just the keypad is different and the physical aperence is different. Both the Wizard 100 and 200 series are the same hardware wise.
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Originally Posted by tschabo
Unless whoever is branding the device from HTC is taking something out, e.g., Siemens took out the camera out of the SX66 and Verizon Wireless took WiFi out of the 6600.
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Originally Posted by Quatre
I don't know why ppl are saying its ugly and doesn't look as good as the kjam or qtek. based on teh pics on page 6? of this thread, it looks decent enough to me and the more I look at it, I almost like it more then the kjam or qtek. It is a little more square though. Thats an infrared port i see on the side of it right, i'm sure it has that which is good as i use that all the time to exchange stuff between my treo 650 and my SE s710a.
just wish this thing and/or cing had higher speeds then edge. Treo 650 with edge is just too slow to load full web pages with a lot of stuff on it like ign.com and i'm very tempted to try a pda phone wiht evdo on vzw since I already have it as a second carrier. I've heard evdo is great and fast. anyway I'll prob still stupidly get this though and wait on a pda phone with evdo for vzw till my v710 refund comes. So Nov. 16th or so eh? Also, the pics on this thread of it are silver which looks good, I dont like the pics I've seen of it in black including the slip up on the cingular website though a small sample pic of it at bottom when you select it it just doesnt' look as good as the silver for this phone. hopefully it will be available in both or maybe to differentiate the 8100 fro 8125 |
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Originally Posted by Quatre
I don't know why ppl are saying its ugly and doesn't look as good as the kjam or qtek. based on teh pics on page 6? of this thread, it looks decent enough to me and the more I look at it, I almost like it more then the kjam or qtek. It is a little more square though. Thats an infrared port i see on the side of it right, i'm sure it has that which is good as i use that all the time to exchange stuff between my treo 650 and my SE s710a.
just wish this thing and/or cing had higher speeds then edge. Treo 650 with edge is just too slow to load full web pages with a lot of stuff on it like ign.com and i'm very tempted to try a pda phone wiht evdo on vzw since I already have it as a second carrier. I've heard evdo is great and fast. anyway I'll prob still stupidly get this though and wait on a pda phone with evdo for vzw till my v710 refund comes. So Nov. 16th or so eh? Also, the pics on this thread of it are silver which looks good, I dont like the pics I've seen of it in black including the slip up on the cingular website though a small sample pic of it at bottom when you select it it just doesnt' look as good as the silver for this phone. hopefully it will be available in both or maybe to differentiate the 8100 fro 8125 |
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Originally Posted by importluva
The treo browser is just incredibly slow. Tethering to a laptop shows a remarkable difference in the times it takes to load a page.
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Originally Posted by Quatre
so edge is fast just the treo is slow? no i dont think. thats why i have to use psp now. cdma treo didnt have evdo so gsm treo was faster. but now evdo pda are much faster & great so why get slow edge pda if you have choice. edge is too slow to load pages it sucks
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Originally Posted by gps
Well, this isn't the place to be asking this, but you brought it up. EVDO...if you're using EVDO and someone calls you, do you have the option to pick up the phone, or are people immediately shot over to voicemail?
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Originally Posted by Quatre
so edge is fast just the treo is slow? no i dont think. thats why i have to use psp now. cdma treo didnt have evdo so gsm treo was faster. but now evdo pda are much faster & great so why get slow edge pda if you have choice. edge is too slow to load pages it sucks
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Originally Posted by ASimpleFarmer
nope. the DO means data only. the person calling you gets the voicemail
the next stage would be EV-DV data and voice. thats why GPRS/EDGE/UMTS have that advantage of data and voice |
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Originally Posted by ASimpleFarmer
nope. the DO means data only. the person calling you gets the voicemail
the next stage would be EV-DV data and voice. thats why GPRS/EDGE/UMTS have that advantage of data and voice |
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Originally Posted by Jesse Jericho
Sorry for the newb question, and I hope it hasn't already been answered.. but will the 8125 surface in an unbranded, unlocked version? I was going to go for a Qtek or Imate, but that thing is gorgeous... too bad Cingular isn't in Canada :P
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Originally Posted by Jesse Jericho
Sorry for the newb question, and I hope it hasn't already been answered.. but will the 8125 surface in an unbranded, unlocked version? I was going to go for a Qtek or Imate, but that thing is gorgeous... too bad Cingular isn't in Canada :P
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Originally Posted by ASimpleFarmer
nope. the DO means data only. the person calling you gets the voicemail
the next stage would be EV-DV data and voice. thats why GPRS/EDGE/UMTS have that advantage of data and voice |
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Originally Posted by eimajuno
I am hoping that these rumors are not true. I played with the UTStarcom XV6700 last night at a Verizon show and it really made me want the HTC. Its a lot smaller than what I thought it would be but I just hope that it will be out sometime this month or next.
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Originally Posted by importluva
Just my personal experience, I'm saying that the Treo's browswer (Blazer) is notorious for being INCREDIBLY slow at loading pages and just being a horrible browser. When I tethered to my laptop, I was extremely impressed at how fast pages loaded. Not DSL speeds by any means, but fast enough where it was tolerable. Even pictures didn't take very long to load. YMMV
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Originally Posted by Quatre
but U.S. gsm carriers dont have umts yet and its 2 years off so if you want significantly faster speeds its cdma's evdo for you. Yes if you can only have 1 carrier then I would still prob stick with gsm for the ability to switch phones with ease of sim but if you have 1 of each then it definatley makes sense to take advantage of quadruple the speed and use your cdma carriers evdo.
This is bottom line fact as much hate to admit it to but everyone tries to come up with excuses for it like you just did or say well i love gsm for sim card/switching phones. And I know all about that. But again i just said if you have both cdma and gsm its no doubt that data is faster on cdma right now period so its a no brainer as to which carrier you should pay for data on if you have both. Believe once U.S. gsm has UMTS then one would never need cdma again and i can't wait for that. Until then if i'm lucky enough to be able to use cdma's evdo for data and gsm for voice then i will. |
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Originally Posted by fowen
I didn't think EVDO was much faster then EDGE.
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Originally Posted by Quatre
Believe once U.S. gsm has UMTS then one would never need cdma again and i can't wait for that. Until then if i'm lucky enough to be able to use cdma's evdo for data and gsm for voice then i will.
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Originally Posted by Quatre
ok, so you are saying that the HTC Wizard will be considerably faster with the same EDGE technology then the gsm TReo 650?
Anyone have a 650 and a imate kjam or qtek 9100 to validate this? I know last night i got like a 60kbit/s speed test on the 650 and pages took forever to load. |
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Originally Posted by iav122003
I don't TalyorH -
The CingularWizard (I'll call it CingWiz from now on) is a Treo killer, at least to me. I don't use a lot of the freely available Palm apps on my 650, and the ones I do pay for (DocsToGo; PocketTunes Deluxe with WMA support; VeriChat; Snapper) are all basically free on ANY WM5 device. The only thing I will have to buy again is VeriChat, and who cares, 25 bucks. OK. I mean, the 8125 has OUTLOOK built in. It's calling my name. I have 1400+ contacts in Outlook. I save every number I come across; literally. I filled a GSM RAZR's phone book back in the day, via Bluetooth. Mobile Outlook, Word, Excel, and Powerpoint are important to me. The field I work in, we live and breath PowertPoint! But the clincher for me is the screen. The Treo650 screen is beautiful; but a bit small. Plus, the fact I can view the 8125 goodness in a HORIZONTAL fashion? Ahh...good times ahead. I will miss MobiTV, but I will get over it, I'm sure. But the main reasons I will probably switch is: *The screen and options available for me to view its goodness *Windows Mobile 5. *Liked Palm for ease of use, not software library. I am PIM/Office/heavy email/IM guy. I don't need Thumbscan and all that. Plus they are launching a CAMERALESS VERSION! I am so happy about that. |
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Originally Posted by Omega2008
I rather wait for HSPDA then carry two devices and have two different carriers and two bills. Just my 2 cents.
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