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The old HTC/Cingular 8100 & 8125 smartphone thread
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Posted by: high_tek

And with that I am going to bed I will read all of your flames tomorrow

Posted by: mademan118

i hate cingular

Posted by: jetli

Quote:

Originally Posted by high_tek

Many reviews posted read through the nearly 2000 posts and you'll find at least a few.

Unfortunately I HAVE read through the 2000 posts and there hasn't been a review by someone who has the actual device from Cingular. And you are a dip**** for doing what u did. I wanted #2000. Die.

Posted by: mademan118

lol now now jetli! Im sure alot of people wanted #2000, but at this rate you can have #3000 okay? I gurantee it wont be out by then. And you are right.. there hasnt been a full fledge review of the phone yet.

Posted by: ASimpleFarmer

worst christmas ever

Posted by: skyloscp

Quote:

Originally Posted by mademan118

lol now now jetli! Im sure alot of people wanted #2000, but at this rate you can have #3000 okay? I gurantee it wont be out by then. And you are right.. there hasnt been a full fledge review of the phone yet.

last 1000 only took 23 days its more then possible !

Posted by: mademan118

i agree with ASF. my gift this year was a cell phone/pda all in one, and i have been watching this one, but then the refurb treo came up, but i love the looks of this phone.

Posted by: phillytim

Would someone please just link us to a couple of the reviews, whereever they are in those 2000 past posts????? Thank ya!

Quote:

Originally Posted by jetli

Unfortunately I HAVE read through the 2000 posts and there hasn't been a review by someone who has the actual device from Cingular. And you are a dip**** for doing what u did. I wanted #2000. Die.

Posted by: high_tek

I could have swore I saw a full review, but I have been on so many sites and forums it might have been from there. Damn, I never wanted a phone so bad, and the funny thing is, when I get it I still won't answer most of my calls. I kinda only care about the pc'ness.
That somehow doesn't sound right, anyways maybe next year.

Posted by: substring

As far as I know, there is no PDA Phone on the market that has 802.11g. They all use 11b. I wonder if the vendors are holding it back on purpose or there is a technical challenge.

Almost 2 years ago, I bought a laptop that came with 802.11b. Then I found on the web a 802.11g card. I swapped it and voila, I was running 11g on my laptop. Now, I wonder if it is that simple to swap on a PDA Phone (esp on the 8125). Does anyone know?

Posted by: blueshockeynut

Ok, since I actually have one of these devices, I will give a mini review for those in the room here, you can also see some pictures I took of the device much earlier in this thread.

First off, let me say this, I truly love this device, even more so from a buisness standpoint.

First the weight is about the same as the Treo 650, not too bad considering the size of the device.

Call quality is very good considering I havent recieved the new ROM yet, well I did but the person who burned it for me must not know what they were doing because there was an issue while unzipping it. Below are the rev numbers that the device I am using is currently on.

IPL: 1.03
SPL: 1.03
GSM: 1.8.11.0
OS: 1.3.11.3

The stylus is rather differant to say the least, it only measures about 2 - 3 inches long and then expands another 2-3 inches when in use, basically a small stylus with an extender on it. When placing the stylus in the device, it actually clips into place, stylus is placed into the device on the lower right hand side.

IR connections are great, better distance then expected, I can get it to connect to a pc from several inches away.

6 Major buttons on the front of the device, IE, Mail, Phone On and Hangup, the other 2 buttons are used for Voicemail, Contacts and Notifications and Calender depending on the status of what is going on with the device.

Power button is on the top right side and very easy to use, Mini SD is located just to the left of it.

Syncing is simple as pie of course.

Of course the one thing is the issue with the radio from time to time when going from Flight Mode to on, hopefully the new rom will fix this.

What else do people want to know.

JB

Posted by: smithtec

JB-

Have you looked at the specs/reviews about the qtek 9100? Are there any differences that you can see? I am curious as to why cing is having issues with a piece of hardware that is already on the market and being used on its own network.

Posted by: smithtec

Is the pwr button in a place where it will be hit by accident?

Posted by: gordonp3

blueshockeynut,

Does it ship with a case, and if it does, what do you think of it?

Posted by: stillrockin

Can you tell if the stylus feels like it is getting loose through normal use?
What about the keyboard. I have heard several Qtek/K-Jam users report that the Keyboard won't stay closed after about a month.

Posted by: blueshockeynut

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithtec

JB-

Have you looked at the specs/reviews about the qtek 9100? Are there any differences that you can see? I am curious as to why cing is having issues with a piece of hardware that is already on the market and being used on its own network.

I went out and took alook at Qteks website and looked at the 9100 specs, they are truly the same device, damn near anyways, expect for the look of it, basically the only difference seems to be the shell of the device.

JB

Posted by: blueshockeynut

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithtec

Is the pwr button in a place where it will be hit by accident?

From my standpoint, NO, it is almost inlayed into the top of the device, it doesnt stick out like alot of other ones.

JB

Posted by: blueshockeynut

Quote:

Originally Posted by gordonp3

blueshockeynut,

Does it ship with a case, and if it does, what do you think of it?

I am sorry to say, that the device I have didnt come with it, reason being is it is considered a test model, i.e. in this case when doing a reset, you see in nice big letters on the bootup screen, "For Test Only" Not For Resale"

Basically what I got in the box isnt what you guys will see when you buy it, ie no documentation at all.

JB

Posted by: blueshockeynut

Quote:

Originally Posted by stillrockin

Can you tell if the stylus feels like it is getting loose through normal use?
What about the keyboard. I have heard several Qtek/K-Jam users report that the Keyboard won't stay closed after about a month.

The stylus seems to have actually no problems at this point after about three weeks of use. Also the keyboard latches in pretty well, is it possible that it will have problems in the future, you bet, even more so if it is closed and opened alot.

And I think I will answer all questions that are asked on one thread from now on, LOL!!!!

Posted by: Free Man

Now to wait and see if they release this bad boy on Monday, since 3600 are due it when I checked two days ago

It will most likely be delayed and just because they are due in on 12/26 doesn't mean a.) they will make it on time or b.) they will be immediately for sale.

Posted by: adempsey

I called the my B2B Cingular rep yesterday and asked what the latest date is, and according to her the people up top they are now telling them 'First week in January.' Unlike all the other times I got a date from them, she seemed to be very certain about this one.

Posted by: Free Man

That would make sense if the units were coming in next week, they would be for sale by the first of January at least.

Posted by: smithtec

jb-
how is the backlighting on the keys? Can you see the letters/numbers and puct in the dark or only letters?

How solid is the keyboard slide? does it move fluidly or does it have a tendency to bind and or twist while sliding?

Posted by: jlczl

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Quote:

Originally Posted by substring

As far as I know, there is no PDA Phone on the market that has 802.11g. They all use 11b. I wonder if the vendors are holding it back on purpose or there is a technical challenge.

Almost 2 years ago, I bought a laptop that came with 802.11b. Then I found on the web a 802.11g card. I swapped it and voila, I was running 11g on my laptop. Now, I wonder if it is that simple to swap on a PDA Phone (esp on the 8125). Does anyone know?

That is incorrect. The Qtek 9100 and the K-Jam variants of the Wizard are 802.11b/g and have been tested on routers set to only g. T-Mobile's variant of the Wizard, named the Vario has been crippled to only use b.

Posted by: pgray007

JB-

I saw on another board that you also have a 700W from Verizon... How does the 8125 compare? Assuming both were GSM and EVDO wasn't an issue, which would you buy for a business user?

Posted by: RulinSmoove

its never coming out. we should just all kill this thread now.

Posted by: Stranman

I just spoke to a cingular tech about my 2125 not being able to edit excel or word applications. His supervisor informed him I would need a pda phone and the 8125 would most likely be available on December 27th.

Posted by: blueshockeynut

Quote:

Originally Posted by smithtec

jb-
how is the backlighting on the keys? Can you see the letters/numbers and puct in the dark or only letters?

How solid is the keyboard slide? does it move fluidly or does it have a tendency to bind and or twist while sliding?

The backlighting on the keys is a nice faint white, you can see all numbers and letters, here are a couple of pics, sorry they are crappy, took them with another phone, LOL!!!!

Posted by: CoRupT

are done with your review yet? i think many people are waiting to at least read a review about it. thanks

Posted by: blueshockeynut

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgray007

JB-

I saw on another board that you also have a 700W from Verizon... How does the 8125 compare? Assuming both were GSM and EVDO wasn't an issue, which would you buy for a business user?

To try and compare the 8125 and the 700W is almost like comparing apples to oranges in this case, first - they are both two totally differant devices based on two differant designs and Second the 700W has a differant setup for WM5 then the 8125 does.

Now, from a buisness standpoint, it depends on a couple of things, what is your primary email client for work, does the buiesness do push/pull services of any kind or SMS, if I could get a brief rundown of the scenario, then I would give you my thoughts on what device she be the beast of choice.

JB

Posted by: blueshockeynut

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoRupT

are done with your review yet? i think many people are waiting to at least read a review about it. thanks

I have been working on it off and on for the last two weeks now, problem of course is when you work 15-18 hours a day, trying to get 2000 users prepared for cell card upgrades and working on international deployments of cell cards to international sellers, it makes it a little tought to get the fun stuff done from time to time, plus I dont want the wife getting to mad at me, LOL!!!!

I will try and get it done as soon as I can.

JB

Posted by: substring

Does anyone know if the 802.11b on the 8125 can easily be upgraded to 11g? Thanks.

Posted by: CA

Quote:

Originally Posted by substring

Does anyone know if the 802.11b on the 8125 can easily be upgraded to 11g? Thanks.

No.

Posted by: CA

Quote:

Originally Posted by substring

Does anyone know if the 802.11b on the 8125 can easily be upgraded to 11g? Thanks.

Sorry I was funning you. It can't be. It's not that no one knows.

Posted by: substring

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonix

Sorry I was funning you. It can't be. It's not that no one knows.

Thanks for the reply.

I was hoping it is as easy as upgrading the WiFi on a laptop, but...oh well. I still want the 8125 to replace my old PDA phone though. I sure hope it will be available the next two weeks.

Posted by: CA

Quote:

Originally Posted by substring

Thanks for the reply.

I was hoping it is as easy as upgrading the WiFi on a laptop, but...oh well. I still want the 8125 to replace my old PDA phone though. I sure hope it will be available the next two weeks.

You do know that g can see b, just not as fast? An example would be if you had a g router it can communicate with a b card.

Posted by: hitechy

The 8125 has 802.11g.

Posted by: substring

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonix

You do know that g can see b, just not as fast? An example would be if you had a g router it can communicate with a b card.

Oh yes, I am fully aware of the backward compatibility. I have a wireless router at home and I do have a couple devices that are still running on 11b. But 11b is just dog slow. It simply cannot compare to 54mbps on 11g. But then, if that's what we have, I can live with 11b. I don't do that much web surfing on my PDA phone anyway. Whenever I need to do some serious computing, I will bring out my Dell Latitude.

Posted by: substring

Quote:

Originally Posted by hitechy

The 8125 has 802.11g.

Are you sure? All the specs I have read on the web said 11b. Where did you get that information? Please advise.

Posted by: pgray007

Quote:

Originally Posted by blueshockeynut

Thanks for giving your feedback. Basically I'm a one person consulting shop, currently using an SX66 and a SMT5600. I run exchange and am on the road often and need quality mobile email access. I don't care so much about push/pull, I'm more concerned with reliability than the underlying technology. I had a crackberry at one point, and while the phone was essentially useless, the email was dead reliable. My SX66 and 5600 occasionally decide to "kill" GPRS so nothing can connect, despite keeping the G icon and everything; fixing this issue would be a huge win. Task sync with Exchange is also a big deal for me.

I control my exchange server, so setting up SP2 and push isn't a problem. I've had less than stellar luck with the SMS solution, so I've resorted to a scheduled sync. That being said, syncing as needed would always be preferable esp. when travelling across the pond, so I don't hit up GPRS every 10 minutes.

I don't add tons of apps, or "hack" the device. 3-4 games, couple of today plugins (PocketWeather, PocketBreeze and Citytime are about the extent), so I don't care about hackability. Basically I'd like a good phone (MS smartphone kind of good) with the ability to run Pocket Word, etc., and handle Exchange sync a little more elegantly than its currently done. I also want to stop carrying the SX66 and SMT5600 and be a one device kind of guy.

From a hardware perspective, I'm also looking for something relatively robust. I enjoy the sauce as much as the next guy, so something that can take an occasional slide across the bar or accidental near sit-on would be a big plus.

I'm not a "mobile device moron" or some kind of luddite, I just have too much grey hair at this point to worry about resetting and tweaking a device every time I want to use the damn phone. The million dollar question is also if it is compatible with bluetooth handfree kits (mainly that found in the Acura TL) since that's where I spend too much time sitting in traffic and getting harassed by clients.

I appreciate you taking the time to give us all feedback! It's far more helpful than the usual date speculation and idle talk.

Pat

Posted by: CA

Quote:

Originally Posted by substring

Don't want to beat a dead horse, but your broadband may not even top out a b card. If that's the case it's a mute point.

Posted by: pgray007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonix

Don't want to beat a dead horse, but your broadband may not even top out a b card. If that's the case it's a mute point.

King's English lesson of the day:
A point can not be mute... It can however, be moot.

Posted by: substring

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonix

Don't want to beat a dead horse, but your broadband may not even top out a b card. If that's the case it's a mute point.

I am not using wireless broadband if that is what you are referring to. I don't travel much (thanks goodness). So when I need to do serious computing outside my office, it is usually in my house where I have wireless router connected to Comcast. It is extremely rare for me to get less than 54mbps connection on my Dell Latitude at home.

Posted by: pgray007

Quote:

Originally Posted by substring

What I think he's saying is that your broadband connection is probably the limiting factor. I have Gigabit ethernet at home, but with a 3mbit wireless connection the other 997mbits go to waste whenenver doing something over the internet. Your 54mbit connection is probably only good on your LAN. Even cable generally maxes out around 6mbit.

Posted by: substring

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgray007

Thanks for the clarification. No, I am getting 54mbps on my Dell Latitude thru its 802.11g card.

Posted by: blueshockeynut

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgray007

Pat,

Not a problem by any means, as most devices I look at have to be from a buisness standpoint as it is.

Ok, number one, I work in a pure Novell enviorment with Groupwise email setup, now number one, finding any software that can connect to Groupwise is rare to begin with, so in your case, since you are running Exchange, your experience I hope would be much more pleasent then ours at this case. Now not being an Exchange expert by any account, my first question would be, have you tried to setup syncs with the 5600 and the SX (I own both as well)to run some sort of test to make sure all syncing is done rather well, second, on the Exchange side, there will more then likely have to be upgrades done to support WM5 and how it handles calendering and so forth.

SMS is done also alot differantly on the Microsoft side then on the Palm side, which is why I love the 650, great device, so that would be another intresting issue to tackle later.

As far as robust goes, i think I would actually take the Palm over the 8125 at this point in time, only because I have been using a Treo 650 for the last year and have managed to drop kick it about a dozen times as well as get driveway tar on it and it still works, but since the 700 is a differant beast it will be intresting to see what happens there, as far as the 8125 goes though I am not putting it down by any means as I have already dropped the thing a dozen times as it is, and it still keeps going.

As far as the Acura issue (sorry Audi owner here) that i cant answer just yet, but I can do some digging and find out, maybe even talk to someone at work who has an Acura with Bluetooth in it and give it a test and see what happens.

So the true million dollar question at this point is which device to take?????

Having used the 8125 the last couple of weeks and being able to get my hands on the 700w for a couple of weeks makes it a hard choice, but the big thing like you said is this, "traveling across the big pond" well, you are kinda of left with one device then if you are doing that arnt ya.

Honestly, I dont think you could go wrong with either device, but alot of testing on syncing, email, sms and few other things should be done before you make that final choice, considering the prices arnt all that cheap. And on top of which, sticking with a GSM based device would probably be the logical choice because of your travels.

JB

Posted by: phillytim

I have a feeling that the 8125 will be 802.11G (54mbps).

They've been rather slow in the market to release the integrated G, over B. I'm not sure why. But it will finally be awesome to have a device that won't slow down my G network router to B speeds!

Posted by: pgray007

Quote:

Originally Posted by blueshockeynut

Pat,

Honestly, I dont think you could go wrong with either device, but alot of testing on syncing, email, sms and few other things should be done before you make that final choice, considering the prices arnt all that cheap. And on top of which, sticking with a GSM based device would probably be the logical choice because of your travels.

JB

Thanks! I do have the SX and 5600 sync'ing with Exchange. The OTA activsync works quite well actually, even with a desktop, laptop, PocketPC and Smartphone all sync'ing to it.

I was operating under the assumption of waiting for a GSM 700w. Assuming both the GSM 700w and 8125 were available now, would you go with the 700w? Is it due to form factor or have they "jazzed" up the OS sufficiently to merit going with the palm?

At the rate Cingular is moving, I have a funny feeling I'll be sporting an 8125 next month, and waiting for the gsm 700w this time next year

Thanks again for the info!

Posted by: butzchan

And the latest dates I heard are....(drumroll)....the 27th for B2B and Jan 10th for the rest of us schmucks. But this will change on Monday the 26th.

Posted by: CA

Out and About with OneNote Mobile

As part of our ongoing mission to capture all the information you need to keep, it makes a heck of a lot of sense to let you capture information while you're on the go away from your desk - even without your laptop. As you may know, the current version of OneNote 2003 can sync with the notes on your Smartphone or PocketPC - ink, text, or voice. But this is a limited sync - it is only one way: from device to the PC. So you can’t really take your notes with you except the ones you created on the device. And the note-taking applet in these devices is not the strongest.

Enter OneNote Mobile. OneNote Mobile is your portable extension to OneNote that you get when you purchase OneNote. You install it on your Windows Mobile SmartPhone (this is semi-automatic so it is low hassle) and you’re good to go. [addendum: OneNote Mobile will run on WM 2003, 2003 2nd Edition, or WM5 (SmartPhone Edition). We've had a lot of feedback about supporting OneNote Mobile on PocketPC phones - rest assured we hear that!]http://blogs.msdn.com/chris_pratley/archive/2005/11/21/494990.aspx

Posted by: CA

I just looked at the rest of what OneNote will do and it will blow your mind. OCR a business card from a phone. Photos in notes! This a must have for me. When the phone comes out anyway.
http://blogs.msdn.com/chris_pratley.../21/494990.aspx

Posted by: Raven77

Quote:

Originally Posted by substring

Thanks for the clarification. No, I am getting 54mbps on my Dell Latitude thru its 802.11g card.

I dont think your understanding what they are telling you...

Posted by: charrog

Quote:

Originally Posted by hitechy

The 8125 has 802.11g.

Key Technical Specifications of Cingular® 8125 Pocket PC

Operating System Microsoft Windows Mobile™ 5.0 software for Pocket PCs

Applications Microsoft® Office Outlook® Mobile, Office Word Mobile, Office Excel® Mobile, Office PowerPoint® Mobile, PDF viewer, Internet Explorer Mobile, MSN Messenger®, Windows Media® Player Mobile

Processor TI OMAP 850, 200 MHz

Memory Built-in 128MB Flash ROM and 64 MB SDRAM

Display 2.8" QVGA TFT LCD, 320x240 64k

Network Quad-band world phone (850/900/1800/1900 MHz), GSM, GPRS, EDGE™ class 10

Wi-Fi Built-in Wi-Fi with compliant IEEE, 802.11b, WPA authentication (WEP,PSK,EAP-TLS, PEAP) and 802.11i
E-mail Support for Cingular Xpress Mail, GoodLink™, Microsoft® Office Outlook® access, POP3/IMAP4 e-mail client

Battery Rechargeable Li-ion 1250 mAh

Speakerphone Built-in speakerphone

Built-in Camera 1.3 mega-pixel color camera with fixed lens and camcorder

Caller ID Customizable Photo Caller ID

Audio MP3, AMR, AAC, WAV, WMA Codec
2.5mm stereo audio jack

I/O Interface Bluetooth® wireless technology (version 1.2), IrDA, standard 5-pin mini USB port

Expansion Mini SD memory card slot

Antenna Internal antenna with external antenna connector

According to this site seems to have B
http://www.htcamerica.net/products/pocketpc.htm

Posted by: Tin Star

HTC has launched http://www.htcamerica.net/ with good support for the 2125. Looks like we can count on them for support of the device instead of talking to a phone clerk at Cingular.

Posted by: zachavm

So....um....what happened to nskgti? I would really like to know if he knows anything about what's going on.

Zach

Posted by: Omega2008

Hahaha he has been busy I supose.....probably got tired of posting.....he has been saying early Jan. for the longest time.

Posted by: blueshockeynut

Quote:

Originally Posted by pgray007

Thanks again for the info!

Pat,

You will go with the 8125 then, as you wont see a GSM based 700w until at least Sept/Nov of next year, since Verizon has the exclusive on it for 6 months, just made that choice pretty easy.

JB

Posted by: zachavm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega2008

Hahaha he has been busy I supose.....probably got tired of posting.....he has been saying early Jan. for the longest time.

yeah, but he was talking about the universal launch. Still wondering about the b2b. I Don't fault him or anything, I'm just curious.

Zach

Posted by: zachavm

I can understand how he got tired of posting though. This thread is exausting!!

Zach

Posted by: rickshred

For all of you hoping for a late Dec. early Jan. release, I will repost what our B2B rep told us:

"We were just informed it will be the middle of January. They have decided to load the new software before launch instead of after. I apologize. I just found out 10 minutes ago"

I think we should plan on the middle of Jan and be elated if it happens sooner. I had my heart set on getting this phone last week, so I'm not willing to get my hopes up again, especially given what the B2B rep said.

Looking forward to that review JB. What state do you live in?

Posted by: biggdaddyt

I know the people in the cingular forums on cingular.com probably dont know a lot about the release but this was interesting......

Posted by: Free Man

That was interesting, thanks for sharing. I have heard a couple of reports of Cingular reps saying it will be this coming week, which would jive with the two weeks pre-release times for B2B and I confirmed via phone with Business Solutions that 3600 units are due in Monday, 12/26. In addition when I spoke with a person from a corporate store they said mid next week. So there is a good chance it may surface for B2B next week as confirmed by a few here.

Posted by: Aviatr80

Also...a B2B rep emailed me this morning and said that he was just informed that it will be available on January 1st for purchase....take it or leave it....just passing along the info....=) Merry Christmas everyone

Posted by: I have a phone

hold on therre slugger. An "earlier date"? This mobile has not even been approved by cingular's labs. If you want to rely on a sales monkey that's your choice.

btw here's a word of advice to everyone in this thread- don't bet money with anyone about the release date

Posted by: ASimpleFarmer

Quote:

Originally Posted by I have a phone

btw here's a word of advice to everyone in this thread- don't bet money with anyone about the release date

proven time and time again

Posted by: mademan118

can you get pocket quicken for this device, gps, weather and traffic? also i see its a 200 mhz processor, is it any slower then the qtek 9100 or ppc 6700/apache? any reason why they went with a slower processor in this model?

Posted by: midas

Quote:

Originally Posted by blueshockeynut

As far as the Acura issue (sorry Audi owner here) that i cant answer just yet, but I can do some digging and find out, maybe even talk to someone at work who has an Acura with Bluetooth in it and give it a test and see what happens.

While I appreciate the offer to try it with an Acura owner at work, I'm afraid you'd probably be wasting your time. The problems are inconsistent. It appears to pair and will make calls fine and then, for no reason, it will just drop the BT connection. So unless you let the Acura owner use your phone for a few days and they made a lot of calls, they might not see the problems.

What's odd is that the Acura website lists the PPC-6700 as compatable. And to some extent it is. But the dropped connections, IMO, means it's not. And it appears to be everyone having the problem.

If you do get a chance to at least try it, do this: Do the initial pairing. Then take the phone outside the range of the car and of course, turn off the car. Then do a soft reset on the phone. After that, back to the car and try to make 3 outbound phone calls. This is the most likely scenario where it will fail. It's not guaranteed, but the odds are high.

Posted by: Free Man

Including you right? That's what I thought, stop preaching as we all know nothing is firm by now, but there is no harm in people sharing what they have been told (an no this has not all been information told by "sales monkeys", nice try).

Quote:

Originally Posted by I have a phone

btw here's a word of advice to everyone in this thread- don't bet money with anyone about the release date

Posted by: gordonp3

You gotta love those "be prepared" web designers.

This was commented out of the html code on htcamerica
http://www.htcamerica.net/products/pocketpc.htm

Posted by: substring

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raven77

I dont think your understanding what they are telling you...

If I misunderstood, please clarify for me.

One of the poster said the cable modem probably tops at 6mbps. It is not the case at my house. I have the wireless-g router connected to a desktop which is connected directly to the cable modem. On this desktop (i.e. the LAN), I am getting 100mbps speed. All my other computers are connecting thru their wireless card. Those with 11g get 54mbps and those with 11b get somewhere around 5.5mbps.

I believe 54mbps is probably the upper limit of 11g, right? So all I am saying is that I consider to be very good to be able to maximize the bandwidth available. And that's why I was hoping the 8125 can upgrade easily to 11g because 5.5mbps is slow. But I can live with it.

Posted by: dday64

Quote:

Originally Posted by gordonp3

You gotta love those "be prepared" web designers.

This was commented out of the html code on htcamerica
http://www.htcamerica.net/products/pocketpc.htm

Well at least we know it officially exists now

Posted by: substring

Quote:

Originally Posted by dday64

Well at least we know it officially exists now

good one.

Posted by: Raven77

Quote:

Originally Posted by substring

Yea but going from 11mbps to 54mbps will not make your internet connection any faster. It will make your LAN speed faster but not your internet. Unless of course your saying that your cable bandwidth is more then 11mbps and that is highly unlikely.
That is why I said your not understanding and I still dont think you are.

Posted by: skyloscp

No one is helping this poor guy out. 100mbps 54 mbps 11mbps these are all the speeds you are seeing for your internal LAN. These are the maximum speeds your devices are connecting at and its good that they are. It means you can send a file between computers in your LAN (HomeNetwork) close to these speeds. What everyone is saying is that your cable modem providedby your cable company only provides internet speeds ranging from 4-8mbps. You can test this by going to bandwidth speed tests online such as this one http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/ and clicking on the closest city to you. Your gateway to the internet is the cable modem even though your router is providing you with a faster internal lan speed. Everything leaving your modem is still limited to the 4-8mbps provided by your isp.

Posted by: CA

Quote:

Originally Posted by substring

Using your math you must take into account the weakest link witch is your cable connection and it tops out at ~3mbs. If could take ~2 cable connections to saturate b. Any thing faster is then moot it terms of pipe speed.

Posted by: Raven77

Does anyone have any idea why the 2125 is no longer listed on the Cingular website for sale?
I was thinking of pulling an "Omega" to get myself oriented with wm05 till the 8125 comes out...

Posted by: mademan118

for the guy with the wireless: here it is easy

Your Internet operates at 5 MBPS TOPS!

Your Networking (sharing files, data transfer): Peaks at 100 Mbps

Your internet only goes to 5 mbps

If you share files, you can only get 100 mbps? Got it?

Posted by: zarish

hmm, I got 8693/778 @ http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/ with bittorrent running in the background at about 125/75. Also, you have to take into account the extra bandwidth on the wireless is extremely important when using encryption with most routers and cards having poor implementations that require around 50% of a B connection just for that. Hence having a much higher speed G connection helps quite significantly. As to the speed of my connection, with 4 connections to newshosting.com I can regularly max out the 10Mbit my cable modem is currently set at. When OOL increases that to 15Mbit it will be even better.

So while the B connection could in theory, given perfect reception and within the very short range achieve speeds to max the cable modem it is not likely to do so in the least, or even come close if encryption is enabled. Unfortunately, Cingular has chosen to cripple the WiFi on their version of this phone and limit it to B speeds and remove the G. Between this and the fact that the PDA plan is so much more expensive I can pretty skip Cingular now as the choice source for this phone.

Posted by: Raven77

Quote:

Originally Posted by zarish

hmm, I got 8693/778 with bittorrent running in th background at about 125/75. Also, you have to take into account the extra bandwidth on the wireless is extremely important when using encryption with most routers and cards having poor implementations that require around 50% of a B connection just for that. Hence having a much higher speed G connection helps quite significantly. As to the speed of my connection, with 4 connections to newshosting.com I can regularly max out the 10Mbit my cable modem is currently set at. When OOL increases that to 15Mbit it will be even better.

So while the B connection could in theory, given perfect reception and within the very short range achieve speeds to max the cable modem it is not likely to do so in the least, or even come close if encryption is enabled. Unfortunately, Cingular has chosen to cripple the WiFi on their version of this phone and limit it to B speeds and remove the G. Between this and the fact that the PDA plan is so much more expensive I can pretty skip Cingular now as the choice source for this phone.

Damn! I am LUCKY to even get near 3mbps with any connection available in my area!! I thought I was SMOKIN fast @ 1.5mbps with my DSL!!!

Posted by: Edeescam

I got almost 10mb download and 1mb upload

Posted by: CA

Quote:

Originally Posted by zarish

hmm, I got 8693/778 @ http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/ with bittorrent running in the background at about 125/75. Also, you have to take into account the extra bandwidth on the wireless is extremely important when using encryption with most routers and cards having poor implementations that require around 50% of a B connection just for that. Hence having a much higher speed G connection helps quite significantly. As to the speed of my connection, with 4 connections to newshosting.com I can regularly max out the 10Mbit my cable modem is currently set at. When OOL increases that to 15Mbit it will be even better.

So while the B connection could in theory, given perfect reception and within the very short range achieve speeds to max the cable modem it is not likely to do so in the least, or even come close if encryption is enabled. Unfortunately, Cingular has chosen to cripple the WiFi on their version of this phone and limit it to B speeds and remove the G. Between this and the fact that the PDA plan is so much more expensive I can pretty skip Cingular now as the choice source for this phone.

WOOW now you are an exception here I think you can realize this. Most users have at the most Comcast( sorry for the poor standard). While these speeds can be demonstrated for most users are moot because of the server they are hitting.

Make no mistake Cingular is no technology company they cant even complete the integration in a timely manner. B to Cingular is a slap in the face when you consider their implementation of HSDPA. Actually your lucky to get Cingular to admit that WiFi exists. So G this!

Posted by: CA

Quote:

Are Americans Addicted to Technology?
Posted by Zonk on Friday December 23, @09:51PM
from the i-actually-need-the-high-speed-internets-though dept.
Technology United States
jomammy writes "According to a recent Wired article, the majority of Americans are becoming increasingly dependant on their gadgets. High speed internet seems to be the one most determined to be a 'necessity'. A third of the country is said to pay more than $200.00 a month for their addiction, where 4 out of 10 pay between $100.00 and $150.00 a month. Other items in this list of 'gadgets' include, mp3 players, dvd players, laptops, handhelds, etc." How addicted are

Posted by: rjmaiorano

I think its a rather interesting development that the 2125 has been taken off the cingular site, particularly as the two were supposed to be released together...

Posted by: jmj3p

Wow. Cingular is a mess. They've changed the price 3 times on the 2125 and now they've taken it down completely. We may never see the 8125.

Posted by: CA

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmj3p

Wow. Cingular is a mess. They've changed the price 3 times on the 2125 and now they've taken it down completely. We may never see the 8125.

Did you consider that Cingular may be drunk?

Posted by: jmj3p

It's still up on B2B. That's odd that they took it off the public site. They have a new price as of this morning on the B2B site. You're right. I think cingular may have had too much eggnog.

Posted by: jetli

So - somewhat back on topic, how do you guys think the HTC Prophet stacks up against this phone (HTC Wizard)? The Prophet is supposed to be the successor to the Magician (I-Jam), is roughly the same size, and has 802.11g/b wireless, 2 MegaPixel Camera, and an SD/SDIO slot. Other specs are similar to the Wizard: OMAP 850 195 mhz processor, 128MB Rom/64MB RAM, and WM2005. It's now available for $749.99. And MAY come out 1Q of 2006 to US carriers, in which case its price will see a significant drop.

http://msmobiles.com/news.php/4717.html

Frankly, I think this phone may have the Wizard beat.

Posted by: Raven77

Quote:

Originally Posted by jetli

So - somewhat back on topic, how do you guys think the HTC Prophet stacks up against this phone (HTC Wizard)? The Prophet is supposed to be the successor to the Magician (I-Jam), is roughly the same size, and has 802.11g/b wireless, 2 MegaPixel Camera, and an SD/SDIO slot. Other specs are similar to the Wizard: OMAP 850 195 mhz processor, 128MB Rom/64MB RAM, and WM2005. It's now available for $749.99. And MAY come out 1Q of 2006 to US carriers, in which case its price will see a significant drop.

http://msmobiles.com/news.php/4717.html

Frankly, I think this phone may have the Wizard beat.

Nah, no fold out keyboard...

Oops, I meant slide out.

Posted by: mademan118

whats the cingular B2B website? I work for bestbuy, i should get a discount for this.

Posted by: stuXstu

Quote:

Originally Posted by abendx

wow... now i feel old!

i can remember how fast a 1200 baud modem felt...

I remember those days. I remember 1200 baud modems and cassett tape drives. 25 years has passed, so if I remember correctly that was on an Atari 1200. Ah, the days of basic.

So here was my first computer....
http://www.atarimuseum.com/computer...-range-main.htm

My v551 has more horse power than my first 2 computers combined..... How time passess.

Posted by: substring

Quote:

Originally Posted by skyloscp

No one is helping this poor guy out. 100mbps 54 mbps 11mbps these are all the speeds you are seeing for your internal LAN. These are the maximum speeds your devices are connecting at and its good that they are. It means you can send a file between computers in your LAN (HomeNetwork) close to these speeds. What everyone is saying is that your cable modem providedby your cable company only provides internet speeds ranging from 4-8mbps. You can test this by going to bandwidth speed tests online such as this one http://www.speakeasy.net/speedtest/ and clicking on the closest city to you. Your gateway to the internet is the cable modem even though your router is providing you with a faster internal lan speed. Everything leaving your modem is still limited to the 4-8mbps provided by your isp.

Thank you so much for the explanation.

I tested out my bandwidth speed with my Dell Latitude at the link you provided using the San Francisco server, and the results are as followed:
Download Speed: 4035 kbps (504.4 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 343 kbps (42.9 KB/sec transfer rate)
I guess my speed is pretty good then, judging from what the other posters have been saying. Thanks again.

Posted by: TheTrueStar

I gave up with the waiting and just bought a RAzr...

Posted by: duchski

Quote:

Originally Posted by substring

Thank you so much for the explanation.

My cable modem conncetion tops at about 9MB. Funny thing that cable companies inrease speed and not always advertise this fact... I think that's becasue they inrease the speed just to substantiate the claim of being x-many times faster than DSL... I for that matter do not care it is 2mb or 9mb. Not much of an effective difference....
technically speaking 9MB is some serious s...t - that's like having 6 T1.5 circuits, of course asymetric...

Posted by: Rock3nrenigade

Im just gona get the 6682... Atleast it works on my mac.

Posted by: pr0pel

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheTrueStar

I gave up with the waiting and just bought a RAzr...

You could have just bought a Qtek 9100 from MMB like I did

Posted by: jeslevine

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr0pel

You could have just bought a Qtek 9100 from MMB like I did

My provider is Cingular. If I do buy from MMB, where can I get the settings for Cingular so I can take advantage of Edge, Mail, WiFI, etc.?

That is the only thing that is really keeping me from making the move

Thanks

Posted by: pr0pel

It's readily available on the forums. He can also give you a cab file to automatically set the settings. I just did it manually so I know where to do it (takes less than 5 minutes). I just got mine yesterday and it's all setup with everything I want.

Posted by: jeslevine

Quote:

Originally Posted by pr0pel

It's readily available on the forums. He can also give you a cab file to automatically set the settings. I just did it manually so I know where to do it (takes less than 5 minutes). I just got mine yesterday and it's all setup with everything I want.

He does support what he sells. I will give him a call on Tuesday

These are the settings I found on the forum:

Using CSD (aka Wireless Internet)
Function Setting
Settings Name: Cingular Wireless Internet
Home Page: http://device:home or http://device.home
Session Mode: Permanent
Connection Security: On
Dial-up Number: 14152441012
Gateway IP Address: 66.209.11.61
Authentication Type: Secure
Dial Type: ISDN (on network)
Analogue (off network)
Login Type: Automatic
User Name: WAP@CINGULAR.COM
(All upper case)
Password: CINGULAR1
(All upper case)

but I prefer if he has a cab file
Thanks again

John

Posted by: MadMonkeyBoy

check here http://www.beyondthetech.com/blogs/...s-settings.html

Posted by: abendx

Quote:

Originally Posted by stuXstu

yes.... how times have changed. i remember my first was a vic20, cassette drive, a 300 baud modem and whatever time i could get on my mom's 13" black and white tv.

one of my clients still has a few 5mb winchester drives lying around from the 70's... these things are as big as three tires from my car stacked on top of one another.... ?!?!?

who would have thought back then that we would be carrying, what they would have called, super computers, in our pockets and complaining that 5MB of "wireless" bandwidth was slow??

Posted by: pgray007

Quote:

Originally Posted by duchski

Cable is a shared pipe though, unlike DSL which can have a guarenteed controlled minimum service level. I used to have cable at an apartment building. When I first moved in I was seeing 8-9mBit connections, then as more folks moved in, it dropped down to the 3-4mBit range.

The other kick in the pants with cable (and several DSL providers) is that they block all manner of ports so you can't run your own servers witout redirecting ports and other goofy stuff. Not important to the average joe, but gets the damn cablevision reps off the phone when they keep calling to get me to switch my business from unblocked DSL to "sanitized" cable.

Think of connection speeds like a highway. Your LAN is a 10 lane superhighway where you can go 90mph. If you want to go to grandma's house (the internet) you have to take a one lane country road where you can only go 30mph. As long as your on the highway, it's quick, but go to a destination requiring a country road (i.e. the internet) and you're significantly slower.

Merry Christmas everyone by the way.

Posted by: jlczl

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeslevine

Using CSD (aka Wireless Internet)
Function Setting
Settings Name: Cingular Wireless Internet
Home Page: http://device:home or http://device.home
Session Mode: Permanent
Connection Security: On
Dial-up Number: 14152441012

Aren't these the settings for using your minutes to surf instead of a data package?

Posted by: pr0pel

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeslevine

Not sure what the device.home stuff is so if someone can clarify, that would be good. As for the settings, I used the info in the 4th post down to get browsing setup:

http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=779579

As for wifi, it will depend on what your router settings are. If you have an open setup, then it should find it without a problem. When you connect the 9100 to a usb cable that is attached to your computer, it will default to your broadband connection if it's available.

Posted by: jeslevine

Quote:

Originally Posted by jlczl

Aren't these the settings for using your minutes to surf instead of a data package?

That is why if I buy from a source like MMB they will need to give me the settings so it will work with Cingular

Posted by: jeslevine

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadMonkeyBoy

check here http://www.beyondthetech.com/blogs/...s-settings.html

I will place an order tomorrow with MMB

Posted by: jeslevine

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadMonkeyBoy

check here http://www.beyondthetech.com/blogs/...s-settings.html

I keep getting directed here for each link I set:

http://www.beyondthetech.com/blogs/wm/

Posted by: stuXstu

Quote:

Originally Posted by abendx

memories.... Every now and then I just sit back and crack up when I "need" a new computer or PDA.

Posted by: jakemiles

this thread is nuts...been reading it since day one, the word around D-town is a mid Jan..so I am looking forward to getting mine ASAP.

Posted by: zachavm

The 8125 Christmas Tree Carol

Oh Christmas tree, Oh Christmas tree
What gifts could you be hiding?
I know that you don't have for me
The thing that I am eyeing
They said it would be here before
But it I am still looking for
Oh Christmas tree, Oh Christmas tree
This waiting is exhausting

Oh Christmas tree, Oh Christmas tree
Where is the gift you have for me?
The Cingular Philosophy
Now interrupts my shopping spree.
I couldn't want anything more
When talking to the clueless stores
Oh Christmas tree, Oh Christmas tree
This wait has become maddening

Oh Christmas tree, Oh Christmas tree
Your flames are burning brightly
The patience that's now lost in me
Has caused me to ignite thee
I hope it won't spread to the walls
And continue on down through the halls
Oh Christmas tree, Oh Christmas tree
Your embers are still Glowing

Oh Christmas tree, Oh Christmas tree
Please say what will become of me
The questions are now flowing free
Because my home is below my knees
The is no way I can ignore
My story now becoming lore
Oh Christmas tree, Oh Christmas tree
Where is my happy ending?

Zach
Merry Christmas Everybody!!

Posted by: BlueMovement

sorry if I missed this at some point but who is MMB?

Posted by: nathancalcprgm

HTC had a little PPC
THEY MADE IT OUT OF SILICON
And When it was already Cingular had some problems
Oh Wizard,Wizard,Wizard
I made it out of Silicon
Oh Wizard,Wizard,Wizard
When will you be releaseddddddddd

Posted by: AngelJo008

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueMovement

sorry if I missed this at some point but who is MMB?

Mad Monkey Boy---he has a site that he sells phones and other gagets. just google his name and you'll find it

Posted by: AlpacaBill

I may have missed this somewhere in the 2000+ posts but what are the differences between the 8125, the QTek 9100, and the i-Mate KJAM?

Since MMB has both the 9100 and the KJAM and it is appearently pretty easy to activate everything to be used on Cingular, other than the hopeful projected price Cingular will be offering, I think this may be the way I go. Why is there a $60 difference between the 9100 and KJAM thru MMB? Is there something the KJAM has that the 9100 doesn't?

Posted by: BlueMovement

the Kjam is 802.11G and the QTek 9100 is 802.11B

Posted by: Perceptions

The KJAM is branded by iMate with a one year manufacturer warranty. It is also includes membership to Club Imate that allows users to download ROM updates, an exchange host service free for one year, and a live chat feature with technical support. However I must warn you that live technical support is located in Dubai so there is a time difference and are not always so helpful.
At the moment warranty services are handled in Dubai so an owner must ship their device overseas. Beginning in January warranty services should be handled by their NA warranty center in Texas.

The 9100 is branded by Qtek and comes with a two year manfuacturer warranty. There is no official site to download ROM updates for the Qtek however they can always be found at www.xda-developers.com There is no direct way to contact the manufacturer by customers, however warranty service is being handled by the NA distributor Sound Solutions. BeyondtheTech, a fellow Hofo member, recently had a warranty claim that went smoothly. Initial contact goes through Sound Solutions in which you send them the device, if it has to be serviced they ship it overseas to Qtek, turnaround time is usually 12 days.

Hardware wise there is no difference between both devices. iMate usually adds more to their Extended ROM than Qtek when it comes to software. The K-Jam usually has carrier settings for GPRS and MMS as well as other program while the Qtek does not. If somoene wants any program from the K-JAM ROM they can be found on Xda-developers or in the Pocket PC forum of Hofo and installed on a Qtek.

MadMonkeyBoy, or MMB as he is known by many, is a great seller and an excellent person. I have purchased two devices from him and I have always recieved excellent service. He truely goes above and beyond any seller I have dealt with and response to all questions personally.

Posted by: AlpacaBill

Perceptions,

I see that you have the 9100. How do you like it? Any quirks or dislikes? I assume you have "adjusted" it to work on Cingular, correct? Any issues with activating it with Cingular?

Posted by: jlczl

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BlueMovement

the Kjam is 802.11G and the QTek 9100 is 802.11B

That is incorrect. They are both b/g

Posted by: jlczl

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AlpacaBill

Perceptions,

I see that you have the 9100. How do you like it? Any quirks or dislikes? I assume you have "adjusted" it to work on Cingular, correct? Any issues with activating it with Cingular?

I am not Perceptions but I have a QTek 9100 on Cingular and all has been smooth. I just dropped in my sim card and manualy put in the appropriate settings.

Posted by: Perceptions

I really do like the 9100 as it is an excellent RF performer and a great data device.

It does have its quirks which is expected with a new operating system. For new users to Window Mobile PocketPC they will find the speed of the device fine. For those upgrading from WM2003SE devices they will find it slow but can be handled by applying registry edits.

The Qtek 9100 is like any other unbranded phone. You just manually input the settings and you are off and running.

Posted by: myke

well today is another release date. did it come out?

hahahahahahahahahaha

oh i crack myself up

Posted by: mademan118

man who knows how much longer this phone will take to come out. Im so close to give up and buy a different pda phone. this was suppose to be my x-mas gift, but its not even out yet!

Posted by: PointZero

Chill out guys, it's only two more weeks away from release. We've all waited this long, why not just two more weeks? Besides, January 9th has always been the "safety" release date per se.

Posted by: I have a phone

if you had listened to earlier posts you would not be whining now

Posted by: importluva

we'll probably see this phone in february with a price of $100 more than expected.

Posted by: substring

Quote:

Originally Posted by jlczl

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That is incorrect. They are both b/g

What does that mean? Does it mean the phone can be either b or g? Does it mean it can be upgraded to 11g? Please explain.

Posted by: dday64

Even if today was a rumored release, if anything it would be tomorrow. The postal service and even UPS aren't operating today as far as I know.

Posted by: substring

Quote:

Originally Posted by importluva

we'll probably see this phone in february with a price of $100 more than expected.

Is that because we are getting a 2006 model instead of a 2005 model, like in automobiles?

Posted by: jlczl

Quote:

Originally Posted by substring

What does that mean? Does it mean the phone can be either b or g? Does it mean it can be upgraded to 11g? Please explain.

It means it will work on both b and g (even if your router is set to g only). The MDA Vario (T-Mobile's version of the Wizard) has been crippled to B only.

Posted by: dday64

Quote:

Originally Posted by jlczl

It means it will work on both b and g (even if your router is set to g only). The MDA Vario (T-Mobile's version of the Wizard) has been crippled to B only.

Huh?

As far as I know a B only device will still work on a G, only run at a B speed. Like if you have a laptop with 802.11b that's a few years old, it'll run on your G router. Why would the phone be any different?

Posted by: stuXstu

Quote:

Originally Posted by dday64

Might want to add in to this equation that the processor may not be able to actually handle "G" speeds. The connection may be possible, but it may not process or handle transmittions speed of 54meg.

Posted by: dday64

Quote:

Originally Posted by stuXstu

Might want to add in to this equation that the processor may not be able to actually handle "G" speeds. The connection may be possible, but it may not process or handle transmittions speed of 54meg.

Well yea, you'll transfer at whichever is slower between the two devices. But they'll still connect.

Posted by: skate2

I searched but couldnt find the answer i was looking for. I currently am paying 19.99 for unlimited data on my cingular phone. If I get ahold of an 8125 when they come out and swap sim cards, will i have to start paying $39.99 for data?

Thanks

Posted by: jlczl

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dday64

Quote:

Originally Posted by jlczl

It means it will work on both b and g (even if your router is set to g only). The MDA Vario (T-Mobile's version of the Wizard) has been crippled to B only.

Like many have said, it may not be a big difference but if "g" is crippled then you are limited to only "b" speeds. If "g" is enabled you can go beyond "b" speeds. This was tested by setting a "g" router to see only "g", instead of the default of being backwards compatible with "b". The MDA Vario was unable to connect but the K-Jam and QTek did.

What will that mean in real world applications? Maybe not much, but it's nice to know I may be able to get a faster connection at times. (Sort of like having a 6 cylinder Mustang vs. an 8, can the 8 go any faster in real world traffic? Not if you abide by the posted speed limits. At any rate, it's nice to know the extra horsepower is their if in case you do have an opportunity to use it

Posted by: jlczl

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Quote:

Originally Posted by skate2

I searched but couldnt find the answer i was looking for. I currently am paying 19.99 for unlimited data on my cingular phone. If I get ahold of an 8125 when they come out and swap sim cards, will i have to start paying $39.99 for data?

Thanks

Posted by: substring

I noticed the Cingular 2125 has been removed from Cingular's web site and I wonder what does that mean.

Posted by: Free Man

Since this question has been posed on several other sections of this forum and has nothing to do with the 8125, why would you ask?

Quote:

Originally Posted by substring

I noticed the Cingular 2125 has been removed from Cingular's web site and I wonder what does that mean.

Posted by: Free Man

It's interesting to see how Cingular is planning on removing the 802.11g support on the 8125, while the QTEK and KJAM's have it fully enabled. Makes me tempted to go ahead with one of them and skip the wait. Definitely a poor business decision on a competitive scale. I mean leaving it in can't hurt them anymore than have 802.11b does.

http://www.htcamerica.net/products/8125_specs.htm

Posted by: xbox360gamer

dont know if this has already been noted or not, but the 8125 is on the latest price list slated for a debut next month.

Posted by: Mykeee

The HTC Wizard only has 802.11B not G.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Free Man

It's interesting to see how Cingular is planning on removing the 802.11g support on the 8125, while the QTEK and KJAM's have it fully enabled. Makes me tempted to go ahead with one of them and skip the wait. Definitely a poor business decision on a competitive scale. I mean leaving it in can't hurt them anymore than have 802.11b does.

http://www.htcamerica.net/products/8125_specs.htm

Posted by: zachavm

I guess no one like my little christmas song.

Posted by: stac

Folks - I couldn't wait for Cingular to do what it is they said they were going to do months ago, so I started looking around for options... I've been a cingular customer for about a year and a half, and they have been bothering me to renew my contract for months now. Generally, I've been pleased with their service and pricing, but I haven't been 'in the market' for a while so I thought it merited a look at the competition.

I went to verizon, t-mobile and, finally, Sprint where I found what I was looking for... a PPC-6700 (Sprint version of the HTC device) on a 'high speed' wireless network. The monthly pricing is very similar to what I was paying with Cingular (within about $20/month) and was lower than what I expected, including unlimited internet access for $15/month (yes, you read that right).

My initial impressions of the service? Well, I can safely say that the Sprint EVDO wireless seems MUCH faster than the GSM/GPRS/EDGE equivalent. I haven't run any speed tests since I don't think they are very accurate... but the service seems much more responsive.

As far as the handset goes, I've been somewhat thrilled - the device does everything I need/want it to do in a handy form factor. WM5 is interesting - I've had some compatibility problems with some software which I hope will sort itself out over time. Battery life is adequate if you don't use the 802.11 radio a lot... The keyboard seems to not want to stay locked closed all the time, but I find that a minor annoyance compared to having it there when I need it.

If you're infuriated at Cingular's lax attitude towards giving you what you want, look around - they aren't the only shop in town... I'm happy I made the switch, and happy with my new handset... YMMV.

Happy Holidays!
-S

Posted by: scott brown

Quote:

Originally Posted by stac

My initial impressions of the service? Well, I can safely say that the Sprint EVDO wireless seems MUCH faster than the GSM/GPRS/EDGE equivalent.
-S

because it IS faster. but my sister had sprint and always complained about her coverage, so i'm staying away (yes we live in the same area)...

Posted by: myke

Quote:

Originally Posted by zachavm

I guess no one like my little christmas song.

your christmas song was amazing. i showed it to my brother, he laughed. i just didnt reply. laughs were had though

Posted by: rbsti

Is this the longest thread in message board history without a resolution of the original statement?

Posted by: butzchan

Any new news? Anyone call B2B yet?

Posted by: Raven77

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Originally Posted by butzchan

Any new news? Anyone call B2B yet?

I did...
they said "8125 what? is that a Nokia?"

Posted by: stormysark9

I got the 9100 from MMB and set up Cingular right away, he sends the CAB file and you get links to manual settings. If you order it today, you can have it by tomorrow! Then it is unlocked and you can use it with any carrier. I stayed with Cingular because they have the best coverage hands-down. I have the 19.95 unlimited plan and am connecting to the internet just fine. I think in this thread or a different one it mentioned that they will try to charge you more because they think you will use the internet more. However, my plan from the 5600 works just fine with the 9100, I just switched the sim and manually entered the settings. You can have the wizard tomorrow if you order today...

Posted by: Raven77

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Originally Posted by stormysark9

I got the 9100 from MMB and set up Cingular right away, he sends the CAB file and you get links to manual settings. If you order it today, you can have it by tomorrow! Then it is unlocked and you can use it with any carrier. I stayed with Cingular because they have the best coverage hands-down. I have the 19.95 unlimited plan and am connecting to the internet just fine. I think in this thread or a different one it mentioned that they will try to charge you more because they think you will use the internet more. However, my plan from the 5600 works just fine with the 9100, I just switched the sim and manually entered the settings. You can have the wizard tomorrow if you order today...

I was thinking of ordering a QTEK, but $680 is way to much to pay for a phone! I would rather save a few hundred dollars and wait 2 or 3 weeks! You people are nuts!

Plus if we all just go out and get those, what would we have to ***** about?!?

Posted by: substring

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Originally Posted by Free Man

Since this question has been posed on several other sections of this forum and has nothing to do with the 8125, why would you ask?

Maybe it has nothing to do with 8125 OR maybe it does. That's why I raise this question. The 2125 and 8125 are the first 2 HTC devices that are sold as Cingular brand. In another word, Cingular is dealing with HTC directly without going thru Siemens or other companies. The 8125 is supposed to come out shortly after the 2125. Now that Cingular is removing 2125 from their web site, I am wondering what does it mean to the release of 8125. Is Cingular having issues with HTC or vice versa? I think it is a legitimate concern to all the people who are waiting for the 8125.

Posted by: zachavm

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Originally Posted by myke

your christmas song was amazing. i showed it to my brother, he laughed. i just didnt reply. laughs were had though

Thanks, maybe it's kind of dumb, but I just wanted some positive feedback.

Posted by: BenFarteen

Called B2B and rep told me should be released tomorrow 12/28 to call back then but might want to wait till Friday to ensure all pricing and stuff is in all the comptuers. She also said that retail should have it this week. Called my local retail store and my normal contact there who orders the phones, says they are expecting them in tomorrow. But he also said that they were told that back in November and never got them.

I have all my fingers and toes crossed...and they are starting to cramp up.

Posted by: dday64

I placed some calls:

1st -> Cingular corp store: no idea what it was
2nd -> Cingular corp kiosk: Has heard of it from a Windows Mobile rep of all people. Has seen one of the other models of it purchased off of eBay. The rep told them to expect it 'anytime', so he said Jan/Feb.
3rd -> Private-owned Cingular dealer: Rude, said 'no'. "You haven't heard of it or just don't have it yet?" 'Don't have it.' I hate that place anyway.

How are you guys approaching the people you call when you ask about the phone?

Posted by: toyfreak

The Cingular sales guy I deal with in Indianapolis says his store has the dummy phone and expects the 8125 "within 2 weeks." He says he has no-contract pricing of $450 for the phone. He has my number and will call me when he knows more. Until then, I'm #1 on the waiting list...

Posted by: Raven77

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Originally Posted by BenFarteen

Called B2B and rep told me should be released tomorrow 12/28 to call back then but might want to wait till Friday to ensure all pricing and stuff is in all the comptuers. She also said that retail should have it this week. Called my local retail store and my normal contact there who orders the phones, says they are expecting them in tomorrow. But he also said that they were told that back in November and never got them.

I have all my fingers and toes crossed...and they are starting to cramp up.

I just called again and they told me earliest would be Jan 6th. That is also the date for the Nokia 6682 she said.
She also told me they do NOT discount phones that retail for over $250!!!!

Is this true! That is nuts! I get a 60% discount with my FAN account and with AT&T that would work with any phone!!

Posted by: fpater

I called B2B this morning and the rep told me that she received an email today announcing the 8100 & 8125 to be sold. Couldn't place the order because there was no inventory in the system. She ask the manager and she return with a No Available yet. Sounds like its coming.... slow.. but sure.

Posted by: substring

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Originally Posted by Raven77

She also told me they do NOT discount phones that retail for over $250!!!!

Is this true! That is nuts!

That's not what I was told. As an existing Cingular customer, I can get an upgrade discount. But they came short on telling me the percentage.

Posted by: substring

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Originally Posted by fpater

I called B2B this morning and the rep told me that she received an email today announcing the 8100 & 8125 to be sold. Couldn't place the order because there was no inventory in the system. She ask the manager and she return with a No Available yet. Sounds like its coming.... slow.. but sure.

So sounds like mid-January is the most realistic date. That is great!

Posted by: Free Man

Sounds like any day now actually since B2B is stating they are just waiting for inventory so they can sell it.

Posted by: mademan118

no i am not going to believe it. IHAP where are you? I think if it was coming out tomorrow he would have said something about it.

Posted by: Free Man

No one knows for sure, we only know what Cingular tells us and what insiders tell us here, and even they don't know until it is essentially out.

Posted by: Rock3nrenigade

I dont think IHAP can tell us...

Posted by: mademan118

i think he would hint though dont ya think? Or GPS would drop us a hint. oh well just gotta wait till tomorrow to look on the b2b website

Posted by: fpater

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Originally Posted by mademan118

i think he would hint though dont ya think? Or GPS would drop us a hint. oh well just gotta wait till tomorrow to look on the b2b website