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The old HTC/Cingular 8100 & 8125 smartphone thread

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Posted by: Edeescam

Quote:
Originally Posted by substring
Totally agree. I paid more than $600 for the SX56 and a year later, it becomes obsolete.

I am not rich enough to spend $600 on a phone every couple years and I don't have an employer that will pay for such toy. Therefore, I will wait for the 8125. Frankly, February is not that far away.


I can definately wait another month for the phone to come out. I can use my upgrade with cingular and get the phone cheap, plus removing all the cingular crap they put on there should be no problem either.


Posted by: stuXstu

Quote:
Originally Posted by substring
Totally agree. I paid more than $600 for the SX56 and a year later, it becomes obsolete.

I am not rich enough to spend $600 on a phone every couple years and I don't have an employer that will pay for such toy. Therefore, I will wait for the 8125. Frankly, February is not that far away.


Same here. I just can not afford to blow my money every 6 months on the latest greatest toy. I could do that 10 years ago, but today I have a family and a bills to pay.

Still hoping for a January release date, no way I will ever switch back to VZW. I could not stand the crappy service I recieved.


Posted by: honorelsu

Is the infrared strong enough to use it as a remote control?
Also i seen someone post gps? Does it have it?


Posted by: xbox360gamer

you people who are wanting this device so badly are going about it all wrong. you need to do some reverse psychology here. instead of lusting over this phone as much as some of you are, you need to act like you dont or wouldnt give a damn if it came out next week or next year.

that way Cingular would know that you wouldnt be so interested in the device so therefore they would get off their cans and release it anyways.




Posted by: CA

Quote:
Originally Posted by xbox360gamer
you people who are wanting this device so badly are going about it all wrong. you need to do some reverse psychology here. instead of lusting over this phone as much as some of you are, you need to act like you dont or wouldnt give a damn if it came out next week or next year.

that way Cingular would know that you wouldnt be so interested in the device so therefore they would get off their cans and release it anyways.

Good advice if you gave it 12:21 minutes ago.


Posted by: butzchan

Well, looks like Verizon is taking orders for the xv6700 for B2B customers. Wonder if Cingular is really scrambling at this point, or if they even care.


Posted by: dj1809

After observing the debacle that is the release of the 8125, I succumbed (more because I have an urgent need for a PDA right now) to the school of Treo 650. I'll still be watching for the release of this phone as it's now like Star Wars Episodes 1-3... not really worth my money but curiosity has gotten the better of me.


Posted by: eimajuno

Quote:
Originally Posted by xbox360gamer
you people who are wanting this device so badly are going about it all wrong. you need to do some reverse psychology here. instead of lusting over this phone as much as some of you are, you need to act like you dont or wouldnt give a damn if it came out next week or next year.


That is what I am doing. I think that I will just get something to suppliment the emptiness that I am feeling right now. I will get this device though when it is out.


Posted by: barky81

Well, it will all come down to CES announcements, now, I guess.

Cingular's delay in launching the 8125 this long means that we will be looking at all this month's announcments and evaluating our next step on that basis.

It is very possible that a better option than the 8125 will appear within the month (and I definitely DON'T mean the 700w).

At this point, I actually HOPE something else does come out, I kinda hate the idea of giving money to Cingular for the 8125...

To keep the post off-topic: In my opinion, only a fool would buy a 700w after Palm's demonstrated abandonment of the 650s in the market.


Posted by: dday64

The one thing I don't understand with this thread (granted I've only been following it two weeks, not since it started), is how a lot of you seem to be getting extremely frustrated, even to the point of switching carriers, buying phones you don't really want, or paying $600+ on another one that's like the 8125.

Cingular never gave a release date. They're not holding it back to get people aggrivated. I'm sure it'll be out soon and I'm content with waiting.


Posted by: Rex Orbis2

RS pricing if/when the 8125 comes out:

599 - No Contract
499 - 1 yr
399 - 2 yr

I know RS typically has higher retail prices than a corporate store, but its still something good to know.


Posted by: butzchan

Where did you get this onfo? The prices on the first post of this topic are what I have seen on 2 Cingular price sheets.


Posted by: dday64

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rex Orbis2
RS pricing if/when the 8125 comes out:


Thanks. Its good to know a price range because I'm trying to save. I'm aiming for a one year contract price. Of course I need a case and car charger too, aah the overpriced accessories..


Posted by: stormysark9

If you have an audiovox 5600 or the old mpx200 the car charger and accessories will work with this phone or you can get them new off of ebay for around 5-7 dollars. Thankfully the connection is becoming a bit more universal on smartphones.


Posted by: Edeescam

$399 @ 2 years is crazy. Add in tax and the upgrade fee plus unlocking fee and you can have the 9100 at the same price by the time this phone comes out.

6% tax = 24
upgrade fee = 18
unlocking fee= 25-50

so add another 67 - 92$ onto the $399

By the time the 8125 comes out the 9100 will fall to about the same range maybe a bit more. Want to get more technical, add the $150-$275 ETF on top of that.


Posted by: Rex Orbis2

Quote:
Originally Posted by butzchan
Where did you get this onfo? The prices on the first post of this topic are what I have seen on 2 Cingular price sheets.


I got it from the official launch materials I got at my store. I'm on a family holiday break now and don't work until wednesday, but I'll try and get a picture and post it next time I'm in.


Posted by: butzchan

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rex Orbis2
I got it from the official launch materials I got at my store. I'm on a family holiday break now and don't work until wednesday, but I'll try and get a picture and post it next time I'm in.

Thanks for the reply. I can't believe that they raised the price by $150. That is rediculous.


Posted by: butzchan

Rex Orbis2, Have any info on a launch date?


Posted by: Rex Orbis2

Quote:
Originally Posted by butzchan
Rex Orbis2, Have any info on a launch date?


Not now. The SKU associated with the phone isn't even in the system yet, so best guess is not for a little while at least. My rep didn't even know about the phone, so that's not really a good sign.


Posted by: stormysark9

http://www.boxwave.com/products/fle...r-8125_1053.htm

Boxwave is already ready for the Cingular release...


Posted by: jlczl

Quote:
Originally Posted by gps
As for those of you who doubt the pricing...well, it's on a training/launch document that already went out to ALL BMG managers and is set to be released to retail VERY SHORTLY.

Some of you also doubted availability...well, as I also posted, 20,000 of these things are already in our warehouse. Here's another blurb from the training document "Market planners currently forecasting for sales of ~6-8,000 units per month in retail." That's pretty hefty for a device of this type...in my opinion. Also, while finally reading the doc, it targets a launch for BMG and retail as 11-15-05.

To the person who spoke of eating crow...where can I send you a knife and fork?


I am the one who spoke of eating crow but I think its been proven my initial skepticism was, and continues to be, quite reasonable.


Posted by: toyfreak

The boxwave flexskin case hase been on their site as fitting the Dopod 838 for awhile now. How they can describe this case as allowing "complete usability" is beyond me since this case does not allow the keyboard to slide out.


Posted by: substring

This afternoon, I went to my local Cingular store for other thing. Ther person that talked to me is the manager (based on his name tag). I therefore asked him about the 8125. Surprisingly, this guy knew what I was talking about. So of course, I immediately asked him on the release date. He declined to give me any "guestimate". He said he didn't want to get my hope high. Then he told me he had been waiting for this device for 4 months. He added that it will eventually come out, but he cannot tell when.

Then I asked him if he knows the reason of this delay. He kept his mouth very tight. I sensed that he might know something or some insider type of rumor, but he won't tell me.


Posted by: ASimpleFarmer

well its on the new price card list that started jan 1st and ends 2/11/2006


Posted by: Omega2008

I hope its not another MPx 220 flop...........


Posted by: butzchan

Quote:
Originally Posted by ASimpleFarmer
well its on the new price card list that started jan 1st and ends 2/11/2006

What is the price?


Posted by: hdcl

It has been awhile since I have posted dates to this thread (Page 53, Post #784) but here is the latest:

There are still a few lingering unresolved software problems with the phone and they are TRYING to get it out by January 20th. This is NOT being held up due to the AKU 2.0 update. That being said, Jan 20th is a best possible scenario at this point with further delays possible.

What I am still trying to find out is why only the 8125 version of this phone is having issues and not the QTek or K-Jam versions that have been out for awhile and seem to be working just fine on Cingular.

Stay tuned...


Posted by: aadadams

Quote:
Originally Posted by hdcl
It has been awhile since I have posted dates to this thread (Page 53, Post #784) but here is the latest:

There are still a few lingering unresolved software problems with the phone and they are TRYING to get it out by January 20th. This is NOT being held up due to the AKU 2.0 update. That being said, Jan 20th is a best possible scenario at this point with further delays possible.

What I am still trying to find out is why only the 8125 version of this phone is having issues and not the QTek or K-Jam versions that have been out for awhile and seem to be working just fine on Cingular.

Stay tuned...


I don't know if I would say working just fine. I have one glaring problem and that is very likely the hangup for Cingular. After an undetermined amount of time the GPRS/EDGE session no longer transmits data. Cycling the radio on/off re-establishes the data connection but it happens multiple times per day. I use the K-Jam, and I noted this behavior with the imate software only (minus AV, Skype, and the imate games) on the phone. I can certainly see why this would cause the phone to be held up in the pipe. Less significant issues have held up phones before. I truly hope patches or something on the 8125 corrects the problem. If it does Bye Bye K-Jam.


Posted by: toyfreak

Someone said awhile back Cingular has 20,000 of these units in their warehouse. If so, how does Cingular update the ROM on these units? The task of unpacking, updating, and re-packaging the units makes this look like a losing proposition for Cingular. I would rather hear that the phones have not even been packaged yet.


Posted by: hdcl

Quote:
Originally Posted by aadadams
I don't know if I would say working just fine. I have one glaring problem and that is very likely the hangup for Cingular. After an undetermined amount of time the GPRS/EDGE session no longer transmits data. Cycling the radio on/off re-establishes the data connection but it happens multiple times per day. I use the K-Jam, and I noted this behavior with the imate software only (minus AV, Skype, and the imate games) on the phone. I can certainly see why this would cause the phone to be held up in the pipe. Less significant issues have held up phones before. I truly hope patches or something on the 8125 corrects the problem. If it does Bye Bye K-Jam.


That may be the issue, but I think that is a Cingular problem in general. I was using my Audiovox 5600 on AT&T before I switched to Cingular and ever since then, when I lose signal I have to power cycle the phone to get GPRS back. It has happened 4 days in a row this week.


Posted by: I have a phone

most likely the vendor would replenish stock with the latest ROM and take back the existing stock for a mass update


Posted by: aadadams

They would very likely just ship them back to the supplier to be updated or in exchange for updated units rather than tackle software problems in house.


Posted by: aadadams

Talk about good timing.


Posted by: I have a phone

Quote:
Originally Posted by aadadams
Talk about good timing.



I'll say


Posted by: butzchan

Quote:
Originally Posted by hdcl
That may be the issue, but I think that is a Cingular problem in general. I was using my Audiovox 5600 on AT&T before I switched to Cingular and ever since then, when I lose signal I have to power cycle the phone to get GPRS back. It has happened 4 days in a row this week.

I have to agree. My MPx220 does this all the time. Power cycle the phone...works great.


Posted by: aadadams

Yep, I experienced this with all the phones mentioned above and a few others as well. But maybe they are going to realise that it is not the equipment and fix the system. Nah, what was I thinking.... Cingular would just scrap the 81xx, and hope the problem (that does not exist, shhh) goes away with the HSDPA implementation.


Posted by: butzchan

I don't think that it is exclusive to Cingular. The same thing used to happen to me with Sprint's Vision service.


Posted by: aadadams

You know what I would like: i want a program that would restart the data connection periodically even when the phone is sleep. If it could be set to restart the connection every couple hours or whatever is appropriate for the individual user we could be rid of this with a plausible workaround once and for all.

Never used Sprint, but a program like the one mentioned above I would pay 10 - 20 bucks for. I wish I would have done CS instead of Chemistry.


Posted by: progamerz

The date keeps getting pushed back more and more. eta is now 1/30. i've had my hands on this unit "cingular branded version" for about 3 weeks i have yet to notice a software glitch.


Posted by: toyfreak

Wanna sell it?


Posted by: progamerz

Quote:
Originally Posted by toyfreak
Wanna sell it?


no.


Posted by: I have a phone

Quote:
Originally Posted by progamerz
The date keeps getting pushed back more and more. eta is now 1/30. i've had my hands on this unit "cingular branded version" for about 3 weeks i have yet to notice a software glitch.



then you're not using the device enough or don't know when it happens


Posted by: dday64

I bought a 1GB Mini-SD card from Best Buy today with all my gift cards from Christmas, so I hope this phone comes out soon! Like, within a month would be great.


Posted by: blueshockeynut

Quote:
Originally Posted by progamerz
The date keeps getting pushed back more and more. eta is now 1/30. i've had my hands on this unit "cingular branded version" for about 3 weeks i have yet to notice a software glitch.


I have had the device as well for quite sometime, it isnt so much a software glitch as so much a radio issue, I have had this problem from time to time on the device.

I am just waiting on the new rom to see if it does anything, had the new ROM sent to me on CD but it didnt copy over right by whoever did it and I couldnt get the thing updated, ERGHHHH!

JB


Posted by: kwhilden

Does anyone know if the Cingular 8125 (or K-JAM or QTEK) will be on display at CES this week? I'll be going down for my audiophile business, and would like to stop by the techie portion and get my hands on an actual working unit. I did a query in the booth directory for Cingular, HTC, QTEK, I-Mate, and didn't find anything! Perhaps Microsoft will have them on display. But if anyone knows a booth that will have any of these units, please let me know.


Posted by: kwhilden

Those who have the unit already (lucky dogs), and those with K-JAM/QTEK, can you touch-type on the device? It would be great to learn how to enter data without having to look at the keys. Which keyboard style is better for touch-typing?


Posted by: kwhilden

Those who have the unit already (lucky dogs), and those with K-JAM/QTEK, can you touch-type on the device using thumbs? It would be great to learn how to enter data without having to look at the keys. Which keyboard style is better for touch-typing?


Posted by: Free Man

I see that representitives from HTC are listed as being at CES, but no actual booth is setup.


Posted by: Mykeee

This is the same issue I've reported earlier (way earlier) in this thread as well in the Pocket PC section. I too hate resetting my phone 5 times a day just to browse the net at 5 times in the day. Although I do love sitting in front of the TV and picking up the device to use my WiFi to check my email or see my fantasy league stats instead of walking 20 feet to my computer .

Quote:
Originally Posted by aadadams
I don't know if I would say working just fine. I have one glaring problem and that is very likely the hangup for Cingular. After an undetermined amount of time the GPRS/EDGE session no longer transmits data. Cycling the radio on/off re-establishes the data connection but it happens multiple times per day. I use the K-Jam, and I noted this behavior with the imate software only (minus AV, Skype, and the imate games) on the phone. I can certainly see why this would cause the phone to be held up in the pipe. Less significant issues have held up phones before. I truly hope patches or something on the 8125 corrects the problem. If it does Bye Bye K-Jam.



Posted by: jlczl

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mykeee
This is the same issue I've reported earlier (way earlier) in this thread as well in the Pocket PC section. I too hate resetting my phone 5 times a day just to browse the net at 5 times in the day. Although I do love sitting in front of the TV and picking up the device to use my WiFi to check my email or see my fantasy league stats instead of walking 20 feet to my computer .



I HAD the issue until I applied the settings in the PPC thread "9100 GPRS issue on Cingular" (or something like that). Since then I've had to reset maybe twice or so (and I'm constantly on the net and I have my QTek setup to dl e-mail every fifteen minutes).


Posted by: jman44

Ok, now this is a weird twist. As I am enjoying my day off today, sitting in my recliner my phone rings. Who is it I ask??? It's an 800 number that I do not recognize. So I answer and its to my suprise a Cingular B2B Rep. She states that the 8125 has released and is in stock and ready to be ordered. Well needless to say she asks how many I would like. I told her one for now, after that there was dead silence for no kidding... 5 minutes... I said "hello?" she then replied.. "umm hold on.. Im checking inventory...." She then came back and said that it will not release until late January or early February. I then in a state of shock said. "umm ok..... well thanks for your call..." She didnt appologize, she basically said see ya... and that was it. How weird is that??? Im still scratching my head....


Posted by: I have a phone

LOL!! sounds like the automated dialer they use muffed up that one


Posted by: Mykeee

I started that thread and my settings are as mentioned in the thread. I thought it worked, but it didn't.

Quote:
Originally Posted by jlczl
I HAD the issue until I applied the settings in the PPC thread "9100 GPRS issue on Cingular" (or something like that). Since then I've had to reset maybe twice or so (and I'm constantly on the net and I have my QTek setup to dl e-mail every fifteen minutes).



Posted by: kevo77

With the impending release of the 8125, I was curious if the 8100 will be available at the same time? I sometimes work in an area that doesn't allow cameras on phones and I'd rather just get the device without camera.
Any insight with those who may know?
Kevooooooooooooooooo


Posted by: grinny11

i had the same gprs issue from cingular with my audiovox 5600 that was from att that i have with my qtek in that it will not connect with data. a while back i installed wm 5 on my audiovox and went back but with the cingular rom for SE 2003 and it somehow fixed the problem and gprs always worked. i think cingular did some update to it cause several people had problems back then and i know the rom was different cause there were other minor os problems fixed.

i got this program for my qtek 9100 http://www.gb-soft.cz/xdaii/product...ak_wm5pe_en.htm . I hardly have any problems anymore.


Posted by: Andru1313

I just spoke to Customer service rep through my Business accoutn and this is how the conversations went.

andrew: is cingular currently offering the Cingular 8125
Thank you for contacting Cingular Wireless. An Online Sales Representative will be with you momentarily.
[Richard - A representative has joined the session.]
Richard: Welcome to Cingular Wireless Premier. My name is Richard, I am reading your question and will be right with you.
andrew: great
Richard: Not at this time, we are out of that model.
andrew: are you getting them in any time soon?
andrew: do you have an eta?
andrew: I need to upgrade my phone.
Richard: There should be more in later this month, yes.
andrew: do you have a price?
andrew: you don't have anything listed on teh site
Richard: I do not have the price at this time, sorry.
andrew: can I pre order
Richard: Sorry, no.
andrew: when should i check back
Richard: This will be online as soon as we


Posted by: Jakaroe808

Quote:
Originally Posted by Andru1313
I just spoke to Customer service rep through my Business accoutn and this is how the conversations went.

andrew: is cingular currently offering the Cingular 8125
Thank you for contacting Cingular Wireless. An Online Sales Representative will be with you momentarily.
[Richard - A representative has joined the session.]
Richard: Welcome to Cingular Wireless Premier. My name is Richard, I am reading your question and will be right with you.
andrew: great
Richard: Not at this time, we are out of that model.
andrew: are you getting them in any time soon?
andrew: do you have an eta?
andrew: I need to upgrade my phone.
Richard: There should be more in later this month, yes.
andrew: do you have a price?
andrew: you don't have anything listed on teh site
Richard: I do not have the price at this time, sorry.
andrew: can I pre order
Richard: Sorry, no.
andrew: when should i check back
Richard: This will be online as soon as we


"as soon as we" what?


Posted by: RulinSmoove

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakaroe808
"as soon as we" what?


get our heads out of our a$$e$! hehe just kidding, the delay is for the better, nobody wants to spend mad money on a piece of equipment that doesn't function to it's fullest... *cough* xbox 360 *cough*..... wha?


Posted by: Andru1313

Sorry as soon as we get it in stock. Is what the last sentence was supposed to say.


Posted by: Andru1313

Quote:
Originally Posted by RulinSmoove
get our heads out of our a$$e$! hehe just kidding, the delay is for the better, nobody wants to spend mad money on a piece of equipment that doesn't function to it's fullest... *cough* xbox 360 *cough*..... wha?



What makes it not to the fullest? What is a better alternative? Having an Xbox 360 as well, I don't have any complaints.......


Posted by: RulinSmoove

Quote:
Originally Posted by Andru1313
What makes it not to the fullest? What is a better alternative? Having an Xbox 360 as well, I don't have any complaints.......


What would make it not to the fullest is not taking their time, releasing a product with corrupt firmware, glitches and or bugs.... as Microsoft did. I have 2 friends that have experienced problems such as freezing games and restarts during games with their xbox 360. my point is, its better to wait, test the firmware make sure its ok then release it... rather then release it prematurely to make a buck and have customers (us) very po'd.

i was using the xbox 360 as an example of a product that was shipped prematurely w/ problems (a certain percent of which had the problem)... we dont want the same thing to happen to the 8125.


Posted by: Andru1313

Quote:
Originally Posted by RulinSmoove
What would make it not to the fullest is not taking their time, releasing a product with corrupt firmware, glitches and or bugs.... as Microsoft did. I have 2 friends that have experienced problems such as freezing games and restarts during games with their xbox 360. my point is, its better to wait, test the firmware make sure its ok then release it... rather then release it prematurely to make a buck and have customers (us) very po'd.

i was using the xbox 360 as an example of a product that was shipped prematurely w/ problems (a certain percent of which had the problem)... we dont want the same thing to happen to the 8125.



Well Speaking from a very bad experience with the launch of the V600 I would agree. But there are always going to be glitches. The product will never be perfect. Also why give a release date and then keep pushing it back. I understand that there is going to be issues, but I think it is unrealistic to think that when you release a new product there isn't going to be some sort of issues.

As for my 360 I have had no issues(knock on wood). Again there is always going to be some defects. nature of the beast.


Posted by: ale_ers

Cingular has never given a release date. Probably to guard against exactly these kind of problems.

The only release dates are from Cingular internal documents/conversations leaked to us. I understand why they do this...however I also want to know the latest rumor.


Posted by: Andru1313

Quote:
Originally Posted by ale_ers
Cingular has never given a release date. Probably to guard against exactly these kind of problems.

The only release dates are from Cingular internal documents/conversations leaked to us. I understand why they do this...however I also want to know the latest rumor.


Well an "inside" source of mine told me that begining of February. So who knows. I am waiting for some more information.


Posted by: loki28

It just bothers me that Sprint has the HTC Apache (PPC 6700) and Verizon is going also have the Apache before the end of the month and Cingular has yet to release the HTC Wizard. I have been eagerly waiting for the Cingular 8100/25 to come out, but I am starting to think this phone will not see the light of day. I am almost to the point of giving up and switching to Verizon or Sprint. If either Company has a good deal for this phone I think I will just give in and live with the annoying antenna and switch.


Posted by: Andru1313

My father in law has the sprint version. It is really nice. Looks smaller than the cingular release that I have seen in pictures.


Posted by: exchguy

Quote:
Originally Posted by loki28
It just bothers me that Sprint has the HTC Apache (PPC 6700) and Verizon is going also have the Apache before the end of the month and Cingular has yet to release the HTC Wizard. I have been eagerly waiting for the Cingular 8100/25 to come out, but I am starting to think this phone will not see the light of day. I am almost to the point of giving up and switching to Verizon or Sprint. If either Company has a good deal for this phone I think I will just give in and live with the annoying antenna and switch.

Sprint has had the PPC 6700 since October of 2005. Verizon just announced the XV6700: http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/6395.html

The Treo 700 is going to be out shortly. So, yes outside of T-Mobile USA, Cingular is the only major US carrier that has not released a Windows Mobile 5.0 based Pocket PC Phone. I guess at least we can run other devices thanks to Imate and other carrier free solutions, like I am doing. At least, there is the 2125 oh wait, that was pulled because of backorders.. Sad.


Posted by: every36days

Both the Sprint and Verizon phone have that ridiculous stubby antenna sticking out, and the Verizon phone looks like a child's toy with the black/white styling. I wouldn't carry either of them. I think the Cingular phone will be worth the wait.


Posted by: Andru1313

That is what everyone said about the V600 need I say more. But I am still holding out for a bit longer. I will hopefully have some more information in the next day or so.


Posted by: blueshockeynut

Just a few more screenshots for everyone as we wait for this beast to hit the stores for ya.











JB


Posted by: Andru1313

Do you have the phone? I can 't view the pictures because I am at work so site is blocked.


Posted by: UBetchya

I'm betting that Cingular is waiting to release this phone because it will make the HP phones they currently sell for lots of $ completely obsolete. They probably have some agreement with HP to hold off so they can sell off as much of their inventory. I'd bet that a big portion of the buyers of the HP devices aren't edumicated buyers that come to sites like this to learn about what's on the horizon.

Cingular is surely following this forum and giggling at our impatience knowing that us "in the know" buyers will wait.


Posted by: RulinSmoove

the cingular x logo on those screen shots looks horrid. guess it looks fine on the device itself.


Posted by: pjammin10

Anyone from here go to CES today? Any possible 8125 updates from that great gadget show?


Posted by: sogarth

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rex Orbis2
RS pricing if/when the 8125 comes out:

599 - No Contract
499 - 1 yr
399 - 2 yr

I know RS typically has higher retail prices than a corporate store, but its still something good to know.


Just checking... have these been confirmed? If so, since I'll be buying a phone out-of-contract, I'm more likely just to hop over to getting a Qtek 9100 for ~$650 now (rather than play the waiting game for savings of $50 - tax).

P.S. Yes, it's another lurker posting.


Posted by: exchguy

Quote:
Originally Posted by pjammin10
Anyone from here go to CES today? Any possible 8125 updates from that great gadget show?

I doubt it. Most all of the phone updates coming out from CES are from Verizon. They are ready to sell now, as opposed to the 8125 which is still not out or formally announced by Cingular.

They've announced the Samsung i830, Treo 700w, and XV-6700. I did notice that the 2 year contract price on the 6700 was $299 on Verizon. Thats very tempting, while the 2/yr on the Treo will be $399.


Posted by: every36days

BluesHockeyNut - Since you have the phone can you tell me is the keyboard backlit? What color is the backlighting? Thanks.


Posted by: blueshockeynut

Quote:
Originally Posted by UBetchya
I'm betting that Cingular is waiting to release this phone because it will make the HP phones they currently sell for lots of $ completely obsolete. They probably have some agreement with HP to hold off so they can sell off as much of their inventory. I'd bet that a big portion of the buyers of the HP devices aren't edumicated buyers that come to sites like this to learn about what's on the horizon.

Cingular is surely following this forum and giggling at our impatience knowing that us "in the know" buyers will wait.


The other thing you have to take into account is they will be releasing the HW6900 as well thru Cingular, more then likely around the March/April timeframe, which has WM5 on it.

JB


Posted by: blueshockeynut

Quote:
Originally Posted by every36days
BluesHockeyNut - Since you have the phone can you tell me is the keyboard backlit? What color is the backlighting? Thanks.


Yes the keyboard is backliite, there are some screenshots of it further back in this thread that I believe I posted, should still be there, letters are backlite in white, numbers and special characters in red.

JB


Posted by: blueshockeynut

Quote:
Originally Posted by exchguy
I doubt it. Most all of the phone updates coming out from CES are from Verizon. They are ready to sell now, as opposed to the 8125 which is still not out or formally announced by Cingular.

They've announced the Samsung i830, Treo 700w, and XV-6700. I did notice that the 2 year contract price on the 6700 was $299 on Verizon. Thats very tempting, while the 2/yr on the Treo will be $399.


Samsung has announced several new phones as well, including an HSDPA and UMTS model and the ROKR2

JB


Posted by: I have a phone

Quote:
Originally Posted by Andru1313
That is what everyone said about the V600 need I say more.


I don't remember *anyone* saying the V600 would be worth the wait. It was a bug infested under performer from the word go.



hey blueshockeynut don't forget that Walkthru at Lake Forest.


Posted by: Perceptions

Quote:
Originally Posted by blueshockeynut
Just a few more screenshots for everyone as we wait for this beast to hit the stores for ya.

JB

Hmmm...6mbs of avaliable RAM less than the Qtek 9100/K-JAM and no MSFP. Late to the party and not dressed to impressed.


Posted by: Omega2008

Heck if the HW6900 is comming out soon, I might as well get that.


Posted by: ChrisToohey

Quote:
Originally Posted by Omega2008
Heck if the HW6900 is comming out soon, I might as well get that.


I actually chatted with an HP could-be-a-bot who said to look for the HW69xx-line Q2 of 2006. This, of course, tells me that it's going to be at least Q1 2007.

For what it's worth, I'm looking forward to the release of the 8125, and have followed this thread from day 1. I've been looking for a solid mobile email client with integrated wifi that'll allow me to get my email, stay in touch via IM clients and utilize Skype - and that's about it for today.

From what I understand, the 8125 (whenever it should come out), will do the job nicely for a decent price while I wait for the hw6910 to come out.

Right now, I'm going back and forth between a BB 7290 and my Siemens S65 <shudder>... so something's gotta give!
___

Oh, and before I'm flamed for this being my first post from the 13 year olds that've been following the thread who toggle between this and "/.", take the bot's information for what it is - total hearsay from a totally non-authoratative source.


Posted by: butzchan

Quote:
Originally Posted by sogarth
Just checking... have these been confirmed? If so, since I'll be buying a phone out-of-contract, I'm more likely just to hop over to getting a Qtek 9100 for ~$650 now (rather than play the waiting game for savings of $50 - tax).

P.S. Yes, it's another lurker posting.

I believe that post was BS. I checked at my local Cingular store and confirmed the prices stated on the first post of this thread (from the pricelist that expires 2/11/06).


Posted by: dday64

Someone earlier said that the 2125 was pulled from Cingular's site because of backorder issues.

While there might be a software issue that's holding the 8125 back, is it possible that Cingular feels they need to wait until they have the necessary amount of 8125's so when they start selling it wont end up on backorder really fast like the 2125?


Posted by: Free Man

Yes but the show doesn't actually start until 10 Am on Thursday, so no telling yet...

Quote:
Originally Posted by pjammin10
Anyone from here go to CES today? Any possible 8125 updates from that great gadget show?



Posted by: toyfreak

Per a conversation w/Cingular yesterday, the pricing is as it has always been for the 8125:

$450 no contract
$350 w/2-year contract + $50 rebate for activation of a PDA data plan

There may be others (1-year contract, etc.) but I didn't get any info. about them.


Posted by: q1001001

Quote:
Originally Posted by loki28
It just bothers me that Sprint has the HTC Apache (PPC 6700) and Verizon is going also have the Apache before the end of the month and Cingular has yet to release the HTC Wizard. I have been eagerly waiting for the Cingular 8100/25 to come out, but I am starting to think this phone will not see the light of day. I am almost to the point of giving up and switching to Verizon or Sprint. If either Company has a good deal for this phone I think I will just give in and live with the annoying antenna and switch.


Actually, the "annoying antenna" has its good points. The stylus slides down along side (the back) of it, allowing it be longer... therefore, its a full stylus, not a telescoping one.


Posted by: dstrauss

Quote:
Originally Posted by toyfreak
Per a conversation w/Cingular yesterday, the pricing is as it has always been for the 8125:

$450 no contract
$350 w/2-year contract + $50 rebate for activation of a PDA data plan

There may be others (1-year contract, etc.) but I didn't get any info. about them.


Not to be a crybaby, but the 2125 was rumored and listed on the threads on here at $349 without a contract - no way, $399 baby. Only $50 so I jumped on it - but I'd eat the shipping carton if you can buy the 8125 for $450 without a contract. My prediction, here and now, is $599 without a contract, AND THAT'S still lower than the existing retail on the Treo 650 and new 700 series.

BTW - I hope I get to eat the box, because another $50 for an even more cpaable phone will be too much to pass up if they can release it before the return date on my 2125 (January 16). Let's go Cingular.


Posted by: Andru1313

Will you be able to do GPS stuff on the phone? 3rd party app or something like that?


Posted by: CA

Quote:
Originally Posted by Andru1313
Will you be able to do GPS stuff on the phone? 3rd party app or something like that?
Yep if BT will alow a GPS antenna there are several applications out now, but make sure they work with the updated WM5.

No one that I know of yet has written a J2ME application that can see a BT device from within for use with Google maps etc. Should be soon.


Posted by: Andru1313

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonix
Yep if BT will alow a GPS antenna there are several applications out now, but make sure they work with the updated WM5.

No one that I know of yet has written a J2ME application that can see a BT device from within for use with Google maps etc. Should be soon.



Thanks!!!!


Posted by: CA

Just a thought try DeLorme they have a 30 day money back guarantee and they are fast about refunding your money if it doesn't work or even if you don't like it.


Posted by: Andru1313

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonix
Just a thought try DeLorme they have a 30 day money back guarantee and they are fast about refunding your money if it doesn't work or even if you don't like it.


Try what? Anyway. just spoke to a cingular CSR LOL,,,,, They are all over the place. Now they are saying they have no clue if they are ever going to be getting these units.... HA ha HA. To funny.


Posted by: every36days

Quote:
Originally Posted by q1001001
Actually, the "annoying antenna" has its good points. The stylus slides down along side (the back) of it, allowing it be longer... therefore, its a full stylus, not a telescoping one.


My prefered stylus is my index finger.


Posted by: toyfreak

My preferred stylus is my index finger with one of these:

http://www.truetip.com/

The Pen Cap Stylus they sell is cool, too. You can use it on a Bic pen or a regular pencil.


Posted by: ale_ers

Quote:
Originally Posted by sogarth
Just checking... have these been confirmed? If so, since I'll be buying a phone out-of-contract, I'm more likely just to hop over to getting a Qtek 9100 for ~$650 now (rather than play the waiting game for savings of $50 - tax).

P.S. Yes, it's another lurker posting.


This guy is quoting Radio Shack Pricing...that is what the RS means. They usually have a higher no contract price.


Posted by: crownsrini

All day long I have been reading about 700w release from VZW. & 6700 & samsung830. Quite frankly I am tired of readng about VZ releases this month. They cover the entire front page of ppcthoughts.
After waiting for nearly 4 months, and closely following this thread from day 1, and patiently waiting for something that no CS rep has any clue about - here is what Cingular loyal customers are left with -
ONE outdated HP ppc.

I wonder what the strategy of Cingular.... I hope they want to be in the PDA market for long.


Posted by: CA

Me also. All the other carriers can and have come out with these devices some with 3G no less! Cingular has some splanning to do. This defence of Cingular will perfect it before they Release it is getting old fast.

Every day they do, whatever they are doing, another customer bites the dust. That's business 101.


Posted by: substring

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonix
Me also. All the other carriers can and have come out with these devices some with 3G no less! Cingular has some splanning to do. This defence of Cingular will perfect it before they Release it is getting old fast.

Every day they do, whatever they are doing, another customer bites the dust. That's business 101.
That's why I don't think the issue is that simple as perfecting the device. The management at Cingular are businessmen/businesswomen, they are not as affectionate as we are to try to "perfect" any device. I believe the reason is bigger than that....whatever that is.


Posted by: exchguy

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonix
Me also. All the other carriers can and have come out with these devices some with 3G no less! Cingular has some splanning to do. This defence of Cingular will perfect it before they Release it is getting old fast.

Every day they do, whatever they are doing, another customer bites the dust. That's business 101.

I have a hard time buying the 'trying to work all the bugs out' excuse either. Doesn't the K-Jam work ok on Cingular? It is basically the same device as the 8125, other than the case is different and Cingular will put their branding and 'tweaks' on it.

I thought the whole point of GSM was the worldwide standard where devices can be released quicker becuase of the standards. Although I think this is becoming more of a joke, because each carrier wants to take their own time tweaking the device with their own branding to the point where the device becomes delayed in the marketplace so much that it is obsolete by the time they hit the shelves.

The device will come out with bugs and it won't be perfect. Thats a given. What will happen if the release is pushed back too far, as it already has been, is that more and more customers might decide a move to other carriers offering these newer devices are worth a try and Cingular will lose some customers as they have been doing since the ATTWS merger.

Plus, Cingular has been a proponent of trying to capture the business market. Business want the new PDA and Smartphone devices. Consumers could care less. Cingular needs these newer devices out quickly to compete with Sprint and Verizon for business customers.


Posted by: CA

Ditto all of that!

I was so impressed the other day when a babe was cutting my hair, of all things. She cuts at 2 shops or whatever and she completely moved into a 2125. She is able to run her business from it and that speaks volumes to me. I was amazed and bewildered why aren't there more of these floating around. She is definitely not churn bait with her business on the line and all.

The funny part of the story is when I used it to show her a 8125 she just put her hands in the air and said "Now where am I going to put that thing?"


Posted by: myke

I personally think that Cingular just isn't putting enough resources into this phone. If they really wanted to, they could hire some quality PPC programmers to work out bugs and get a professional set of testers to every odd end of the phone. With an already working OS and just getting bugs out, this should take TOPS 1 month. The fact it's taken 4 just means Cingular is unwilling to spend extra money to pay for experts. Taken this long, theyve obviously got people who don't know what theyre doing working for people who dont care.

Sad.


Posted by: jlczl

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People on this thread have given Cingular too much credit from the start. REMEMBER, THIS IS CINGULAR WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. I worked for them and now their parent company. This is the way they do business , period. Why do you think I have a QTek 9100? For all we know, this phone will be pulled and never see the light of day.


Posted by: toyfreak

Man, I hope you're wrong. I could've had a Qtek or k-jam a long time ago. I'm already wondering if the savings will justify the wait.


Posted by: tonyrojas2007

I Am Looking At The Verizonwireless Website Now, And I See This Thing Called A Treo 700w And It Looks Better Than Any Other Thing On Cingulars Damn Website!!!

I Am About To Switch, I Cant Take This Anymore. Either They Come Out With The 8125 Or This Is What Most Cingular Customers Will Do. And I Dont Want To Pay Retail, Cingular Should Be Able To Give You Good Up To Date Phones Or They Should Not Call Them Self A Cellphone Company!


Posted by: butzchan

Cingular has been beaten by their major competitor, Verizon. Unless they release the 8125 in the next two weeks, they may as well move on to the next device.


Posted by: progamerz

********* UPDATE **********

ETA 2/5/06

8100 - BMG Only (biz groups)
8125 - All Channels


Posted by: toyfreak

At this point it would be nearly impossible for Cingular to come up with any justifiable reason(s) for such a long delay. There are simply too many 9100s and k-jams out there working on Cingular.

It's bad enough how quickly these devices become obsolete without a carrier like Cingular giving this unavoidable obsolesence a head start. I'm seriously thinking about going 2-piece again (Dell Axim X51V + my Nokia 6230, maybe?) even though I said I'd be converged from now on.

Ain't it a pain when you can't empty your wallet on something you really want/need?




Posted by: N7TND

What are you guys so excited about??? If this thing had high speed data (EDGE IS NOT HIGH SPEED) then it may be something worthwhile.

This device hits the market already behind the times...Thanks Cingular; way to raise the bar......



Posted by: nskgti23

I love how people think they need DSL+ speeds on a small screen. Sure EV-DO is nice on a pda, but for basic usage, you really don't need HSDPA/EV-DO.

I for one, can't wait for this device. CDMA doesn't work for me because I travel internationally...

Quote:
Originally Posted by N7TND
What are you guys so excited about??? If this thing had high speed data (EDGE IS NOT HIGH SPEED) then it may be something worthwhile.

This device hits the market already behind the times...Thanks Cingular; way to raise the bar......



Posted by: progamerz

Quote:
Originally Posted by N7TND
What are you guys so excited about??? If this thing had high speed data (EDGE IS NOT HIGH SPEED) then it may be something worthwhile.

This device hits the market already behind the times...Thanks Cingular; way to raise the bar......



Cingular really does have a gameplan in place, ive seen some of the new stuff coming out later this year i must say i was really amazed..and it takes alot to amaze me.


Posted by: N7TND

Maybe for some.. I use my SX-66 for business emails and get many attachments for quick review and coordination. 25K data speeds bite and EDGE is not much better. A device that uses Cingular's newly deployed high speed system would be great!.

From a business perspective you would think Cingular would have had devices (other than PCMCIA Cards) ready to ship when the network rolled out. Instead they offer the HP6500 and the 8100....megga yawn........


Posted by: progamerz

Quote:
Originally Posted by N7TND
Maybe for some.. I use my SX-66 for business emails and get many attachments for quick review and coordination. 25K data speeds bite and EDGE is not much better. A device that uses Cingular's newly deployed high speed system would be great!.

From a business perspective you would think Cingular would have had devices (other than PCMCIA Cards) ready to ship when the network rolled out. Instead they offer the HP6500 and the 8100....megga yawn........


thats true.


Posted by: I have a phone

Quote:
Originally Posted by toyfreak
At this point it would be nearly impossible for Cingular to come up with any justifiable reason(s) for such a long delay.



reality check: they don't have to justify anything. There's never been a hard date for the device to be released. Folks here have hyped it so much and gotten into such a tizzy they are believing in phantom release dates. And that's the fact Jack.




Posted by: Omega2008

I concur...who cares if verizon beats cingular??? Aprently Cingular doesn't....let that be there problem if its even a problem at all. When Cingular rolls out a HSPDA capable WM device, thats when I will care.


Posted by: crownsrini

Quote:
Originally Posted by Omega2008
I concur...who cares if verizon beats cingular??? Aprently Cingular doesn't....let that be there problem if its even a problem at all. When Cingular rolls out a HSPDA capable WM device, thats when I will care.



I agree.. But hey.. if u ask me, u know what's gonna happen? Those devices will be ready by the manufacturers, and we would be waiting for them to be released by Cingular. unfortunately, at that time, there would be a heavy delay on Cingular's part. & we would have just 8125 listed on their website ( obviously outdated by then...) Just like how all we see now is a hw5....

I also agree with you that they did not give any release date.... but my only question is - in a highly converging world, how is cingular serving the customers with their needs.. forget the competition. I am never gonna go with CDMA either.


Posted by: Omega2008

Trust me Cingular has a busiiness plan on how they go about doing things. If they didn't they wouldn't be in bussiness. Just because they operate in way that doesn't makes sense to our point of view doesn't mean that they are not doing the right thing to put their business ahead. To understand how all of this works one must have the point of view of both sides of the equation, not just one. To say that Cingular will be releasing the same devices that Verizon will is not true. They may have other devices from HTC that will be exclusive to Cingular and to take advantage of ther new HSPDA data services. Of course thats speculation but its an example of one of the many opertunities/avenues that Cingular can go with.


Posted by: Andru1313

Yeah well just spoke to another inside source.... Was informed that there is no release date. May never come to cingular... So who to believe..... What to do what to do....


Posted by: dday64

Quote:
Originally Posted by I have a phone
reality check: they don't have to justify anything.


I agree. Some of you have been waiting for this phone for months, some not so long. And some of you are throwing temper tantrums like Cingular is sleeping with your mom.

Calm down. They never gave a release date. It'll be out soon I'm sure.

In all reality, THIS PHONE DOESNT EVEN OFFICIALLY EXIST. It's never been confirmed by Cingular. So why get mad to Cingular about them taking their time releasing a phone they never said existed?

Also, the Treo 700w is the 650 with Windows Mobile. I don't see what the big deal is? If you guys weren't wowed by the 650 enough to by it and want to wait for the 8125, then what advantage does Verizon have over Cingular by releasing the 700w?


Posted by: dday64

Quote:
Originally Posted by Andru1313
Yeah well just spoke to another inside source.... Was informed that there is no release date. May never come to cingular... So who to believe..... What to do what to do....


?

Even HTC has told me that the phone exists and they've made it for Cingular and Cingular will release it this quarter. Email them and find out. Why you would say it might never come is beyond me..


Posted by: I have a phone

Quote:
Originally Posted by dday64
?

Even HTC has told me that the phone exists and they've made it for Cingular and Cingular will release it this quarter. Email them and find out. Why you would say it might never come is beyond me..



the point of my last post in full effect


Posted by: Andru1313

Quote:
Originally Posted by dday64
?

Even HTC has told me that the phone exists and they've made it for Cingular and Cingular will release it this quarter. Email them and find out. Why you would say it might never come is beyond me..


Just relaying what I was told.... NO agreeing or disagreeing. I have no clue. the majority of my information has been from this and other forums. But the cingular people I have spoken to have given confilicting stories. So who to believe.


Posted by: dday64

Quote:
Originally Posted by I have a phone
the point of my last post in full effect


I'm not quite sure if that was supposed to be a good or bad thing against me

I was just saying that HTC seems to have invested at least something in giving a phone known as the 8125 to Cingular, so no matter how long it takes to come out unless there's a huge issue I'd assume it'll come out eventually Including the 'in this quarter' part of my post wasn't really necessary I guess

I guess I'm just one of those people who are alright with having to wait for this phone. I'm surviving with my v551, and ya sure I want the 8125, but I'm not going to switch carriers or pay high prices for one. I'm starting college again in a few weeks and I'd love to have it to keep with me to keep track of stuff, but I'll get it when it's out. I've waited worse. Anyone else still waiting for Team Fortess 2 and Duke Nukem Forever?


Posted by: toyfreak

IHAP: Point taken in post #2316. Cingular isn't obligated to do anything here; I agree. But as long as I'm in a contract with them I can at least expect them to remain competitive hardware-wise, not watch my carrier fall behind the others (including Sprint, which I left after my contract expired.)

I've had my hands on a k-jam so I'm not coveting some holy-grail device hyped beyond Biblical proportions by this forum's users. I know what the 8125 will do and I could call MMB or eXpansys right now and get a 9100 or k-jam. It is frustrating to have to shell out so much extra $$$ to have an HTC wizard without waiting, especially when I am willing to add a FOURTH (yes, 4th) line to get the 8125 for $350.

Is Cingular really THIS conservative when it comes to releasing new hardware that they have to spend MONTHS getting the OS right? They're not dealing with an unknown quantity here in the WIZA100/110 platform.

Peace bro'


Posted by: substring

Quote:
Originally Posted by toyfreak
Is Cingular really THIS conservative when it comes to releasing new hardware that they have to spend MONTHS getting the OS right?
Keep in mind that the rumors on OS problem or software bugs are all UNCONFIRMED and UNOFFICIAL information. Maybe it is the cause of delay and maybe it is not. Personally, I don't believe it is a minor bug fix or OS upgrade that holds them back from releasing the device. It has to be something bigger than that. Who knows? It may not even be software or hardware related. It could be other non-technical reasons that we (the techies) did not and cannot think of.

I will at least wait till February. Then I will explore other options.


Posted by: bigmikey22

Quote:
Originally Posted by Andru1313
Yeah well just spoke to another inside source.... Was informed that there is no release date. May never come to cingular... So who to believe..... What to do what to do....



Hello all, My name is Mike and I am a phone junkey(over 25 devices and counting) ...... well, long time reader, but first time poster here. I have some inside information on the 8125. I have seen a copy of a the Cingular internal BMG priceing guide dataed 1/5/06. And this guide contains both the 8125 and the 8100. There is no price listed and they both are marked as "Coming Soon" One Strange thing though is this guide also lists the 2125 as "Coming Soon"

My rep tells me that per his information, around Jan. 20th they should be available.

My Rep. has instructions to order me two 8125's as soon as these are available. As a current user of a Audiovox 5600, and PPC4100 I'm very anxious for the 8125 .......


Posted by: jlczl

I'm tempted to create a new user id and say, "long time reader, first time poster.................I have some information on this phone", but there's enough misinformation out there as it is.

Anyway, there is plenty of Ford concept cars with Ford badges in their warehouses that never made it to the showroom floor. Likewise, there was quite a few mpx 300's out eventhough they never made it into production. They even showed up on Cingular's website (ringtone section)! Did they ever release them? NO. Will this be the fate of the 8125? I don't think so......................but it wouldn't surprise me.


Posted by: I have a phone

Quote:
Originally Posted by dday64
I'm not quite sure if that was supposed to be a good or bad thing against me


sorry, it was meant in agreement


Posted by: I have a phone

Quote:
Originally Posted by toyfreak
IHAP: Point taken in post #2316. Is Cingular really THIS conservative when it comes to releasing new hardware that they have to spend MONTHS getting the OS right? They're not dealing with an unknown quantity here in the WIZA100/110 platform.

Peace bro'


1. no worries. I wasn't trying to flame you, but rather make sure you understood how things are
2. they are conservative. Remember, this is the first (ok, maybe the second since the 2125 has been released) time they have dealt with the equipment vendor directly for a release and it needs to work before it goes out the wolves (so to speak)


Posted by: toyfreak

Not feeling flamed at all, just having a bad case of phone envy.


Posted by: smcassara

hey all, talked to my RAE today, and he tells me the as of yesterday the phone hasn't even passed cingular's RF tests, and that the software is fine. so, according to him the phone works fine, as long as you're not gonna be using it as a phone

then again, he had never seen the phone until i showed him a pic from this thread (see page 94)

just another example of the bar raising...


ps, i sold my treo in october hoping for this thing... gawd i miss qwerty


Posted by: LkyOldSun

well, I am on TDMA and tired of waiting. I'm now looking again at my other options because I am done waiting for the 8125. It will no longer hold up my decision process. I have my axim x3i and so I can make do. I hope that those of you who do wait enjoy a prosperous and pleasant experience with cingular and the 8125.


Posted by: myke

i sold my treo in october as well so id have money for this thing. this nokia im using sucks butt


Posted by: Free Man

I happened to run into someone who is closely involved with the testing of the Cingular 8125 prototype. In fact this person proceeded to pull out thier 8125 and show it to me. I also had the liberty of playing with the Kjam and I have to say the Kjam is much better looking overall. Their have been a couple of problems with the phone as he explained and they are working on the second issue which actually seems quite small, but never the less a problem. Further I asked about it being released and he was undoubtly convinced it would be so at least this dispels the rumor that it would not be released ever.


Posted by: myke

my friend used the kjam and he said he felt the slide out keyboard slid out bad and felt cheap. is the 8125 different at all in that sense?


Posted by: CA

I agree Cingular has their own plan and will do things in their own time, but maybe it's time to churn away for a contract and then see what Cingular can do for me lately.

GSM is great and Cingular has the best coverage(after integration), but it's not a life's choice it's possibally one contract away. Think about it you could have had a 3G 6700 PDA for more than likely half of a one year by the time Cingular's plans agree with what I want.


Posted by: myke

I really want a true high speed data connection. I also really want unlimited text messages. If I didnt like the 8125 as much as I do, Id switch easily. There just isnt a killer phone for the other providers that I like as much. The sprint and verizon wizards look dumb (and we know when it comes to gadget nerds, looks make up for at least half of it :-D).


Posted by: bigmikey22

Quote:
Originally Posted by jlczl
I'm tempted to create a new user id and say, "long time reader, first time poster.................I have some information on this phone", but there's enough misinformation out there as it is.




Well first this is NOT some fake new ID, and not misinformation! I actually have a copy of the Cingular internal price list excel file dated 1/5/06 that shows all the equpment available fom Cingular, and the 8125 is on the list. It is listed as "Coming Soon" and while I guess there is a chance that Cingular could change there mind, but as a person who is excited getting a 8125, I think this is good news.

I was not claiming to know with out a doubt that this device will be available, and when, only passing alone some positive information I had, to a thread that seemed to be stuck in the "O they will never release this phone" mode.




Posted by: pgray007

My only guess (pure speculation) is that Cingular is trying to clear the HP devices out of their supply chain. It's going to be tough selling an HP with WM 2003 to the corporate market if they also had a WM 5.0 device with keyboard available, and since Cingular is the only carrier sporting the HP it may give them some kind of advantage, since it was formerlly the only "treo like" PDA sporting WM.

They probably sunk a lot of $$ into the HP, and have yet to hit their ROI targets. If their smart they're not paying HTC to hold phones in their warehouse, so they can sit on inventory of the 81XX while they wait to push the HP out the door and recoup their investment.

A risky strategy perhaps, since I think a lot of businesses are going to jump on the 700W since business users are used to the Treo format and know the name, versus the relatively unknown "HTC" (even though the same company is the OEM).

I haven't been on Verizon since the 1990's, but am pondering a switch. EVDO does have some benefit (mainly email attachments) and their coverage does seem to beat out Cingular in some rural areas. I do travel internationally, but could get prepaid SIMs or the like for those times... I'm personally giving Cingular another 1 month to see what they do and then will make a decision.


Posted by: blueshockeynut

Just as a short note, for those of you who saw the 700W, which you can now purchase of course for the low cost of $399.99 with a 2 year contract, there is a great article for a fella from the Washington post who also sits on the 3GSM group, he is not to impressed with the 700W, here is a link to the article:

http://ptech.wsj.com/archive/ptech-20060105.html


JB


Posted by: Andru1313

Just recieved this from a rep from Corperate...

"Hey it is already on our rebate forms and we some marketing for it so that generally means we are most def. getting it. The device that was simalar that we currently carry was discontinued about a montha go so that leads me to believe we are getting it as well. last of all my district manager said we are getting it so 3/3 it looks good. It is very full featured and looks like it will be a hot device. The only downfall i see will probably be the price. I will ask my district manager again today if he has any idea when we are getting it and price. I will let you know when i know. Thanks"


Posted by: MrDSL

The SMT-5600 was on the Cingular rebate form as early as Jan. 05 but didn't come out until the end of May so it really doesn't mean anything..


Posted by: jmj3p

Ok--So the numerous release dates are getting old. But if you're going to spout off about talking to reps, please know how to spell corporate and similar. Thanks.....the management


Posted by: hdcl

Quote:
Originally Posted by substring
Keep in mind that the rumors on OS problem or software bugs are all UNCONFIRMED and UNOFFICIAL information. Maybe it is the cause of delay and maybe it is not. Personally, I don't believe it is a minor bug fix or OS upgrade that holds them back from releasing the device. It has to be something bigger than that. Who knows? It may not even be software or hardware related. It could be other non-technical reasons that we (the techies) did not and cannot think of.

I will at least wait till February. Then I will explore other options.


My very reliable source has told me there are still a few unresolved glitches with the device. He won't confirm whether it is hardware or software or wheter it is with the PDA part or the radio stack. He has been very reliable (remember I was one of the early posters that predicted the 3 week slip from November).

My other sources indicate that the current radio stack problem with the 5600 (if you lose signal, GPRS does not come back until you reboot) also still exists in the 2125. That may be why the 2125 has been pulled and based on pure speculation on my part, may be the final issue with the 8125. People have reported problems with other HTC Wizards on Cingular's network with the GPRS connection not staying up.


Posted by: Andru1313

Quote:
Originally Posted by jmj3p
Ok--So the numerous release dates are getting old. But if you're going to spout off about talking to reps, please know how to spell corporate and similar. Thanks.....the management



Pipe down there turbo. Didn't know I was being Graded on my posts


Posted by: Raven77

Quote:
Originally Posted by hdcl
My very reliable source has told me there are still a few unresolved glitches with the device. He won't confirm whether it is hardware or software or wheter it is with the PDA part or the radio stack. He has been very reliable (remember I was one of the early posters that predicted the 3 week slip from November).

My other sources indicate that the current radio stack problem with the 5600 (if you lose signal, GPRS does not come back until you reboot) also still exists in the 2125. That may be why the 2125 has been pulled and based on pure speculation on my part, may be the final issue with the 8125. People have reported problems with other HTC Wizards on Cingular's network with the GPRS connection not staying up.


I have had mine for a few days and its been rock solid, not a single problem. I LOVE IT! I would marry the damn thing if I could!!


Posted by: hdcl

The radio stack bug in the 5600 does not happen all the time. While I am in my home city, I have excellent signal coverage and since I never lose signal, my GPRS always works. Over the holidays I was in marginal signal areas and had to reboot my 5600 5 times a day to get the GPRS to work for 10 days straight. The radio stack in the 5600 is very fragile. This came to light during the beta testing of WM 5.0 and apparently HTC never really fixed it in th 2125 either. The 8125 issues are speculation on my part.


Posted by: james_san

Been following the thread for two months now...Frustration builds especially when Vz and Sprnt are coming out with smartphone devices while Cing is spinning its wheels. I HAVE to get an GSM devices because I travel overseas. And I don't want to go with qtek/o2/i-jam solution because the corporate requirements dictate I buy from Cing. I am just stuck.

I have already cleaned up my Outlook contacts, backed up and cleaned out my SE P900 (no more nudie pics/vids ;^)). I am ready to ROLL! Cing just release the darn thing already!

Just venting....Needed to do this...It has been a long two months.




Posted by: CA

Quote:
Originally Posted by blueshockeynut
Just as a short note, for those of you who saw the 700W, which you can now purchase of course for the low cost of $399.99 with a 2 year contract, there is a great article for a fella from the Washington post who also sits on the 3GSM group, he is not to impressed with the 700W, here is a link to the article:

http://ptech.wsj.com/archive/ptech-20060105.html


JB
He is a reporter that may be a member of the GSM group, but I read his stuff all the time. He isn't any more of an authority than HoFo's own Qmega2008, really. So I believe there will be many(he may not be one) that prefer the 700.

I do know one thing it's 3G and with the camera quality and Microsoft's new OneNote you can Scan, for example, a business card OCR it into text and have it sync to your PC. And I'm sure there are several other benefits of it over the 650.


Posted by: abendx

whoa... check it out!!

i have a reliable source that is a cingular rep on the planet ewoka. he states that you can get these phones as of three weeks ago from carlos... via sincere0012. just drop CASH into the mail.... and address it to:

sincere0012
1490 aliens have landed way
sucker city, florida 00212

i guess there is a special deal for the first 500 hofo members that send CASH. if you add your credit card number, mother's madien name, ssn, and birth date, you will get a free 400GB ipod nano. but don't forget to send that info in black ink, a pink envelope, and make sure the stamp is upside down, otherwise you will not be considered (sounds like some mail-in rebate to me?).

sincere0012 will send the package spaceEX Overnight to your door.... so add an extra 400.00 CASH to the envelope, otherwise it will come SAPS (Space Alien Postal Service) and that takes 10-12 weeks.


Posted by: pgray007

Quote:
Originally Posted by blueshockeynut
Just as a short note, for those of you who saw the 700W, which you can now purchase of course for the low cost of $399.99 with a 2 year contract, there is a great article for a fella from the Washington post who also sits on the 3GSM group, he is not to impressed with the 700W, here is a link to the article:

http://ptech.wsj.com/archive/ptech-20060105.html


JB


I love the journal, but that guy is consistently bashing microsoft. if you follow his column, he's constantly singing the praises of the mac. While he does write some good stuff, like most long-time palm folks reviewing wm devices, I'd take it with a grain of salt, just as i'd take a 650 review by a longtime wm person with a grain of salt.


Posted by: blueshockeynut

Quote:
Originally Posted by pgray007
I love the journal, but that guy is consistently bashing microsoft. if you follow his column, he's constantly singing the praises of the mac. While he does write some good stuff, like most long-time palm folks reviewing wm devices, I'd take it with a grain of salt, just as i'd take a 650 review by a longtime wm person with a grain of salt.



Point well made and well said! Thats what makes this group so diverse, we all have our own thoughts on many devices, we like what we like, we hate what we hate, cant get around it, we are who we are.

One thing I will say, those of you who are waiting on the 8125, I am pretty sure you will love it.

JB


Posted by: idic_2000

Does anyone know of a UMTS/HSDPA pda like the 8125 coming out for Cingular? My contract was up in December so I am pacing like a rabid dog but am not willing to settle for EDGE....


Posted by: ale_ers

Ok, now I'm getting very impatient! I finally bought a 1 gig mini SD card (couldn't pass up $59 from Newegg) in preparation for this device getting here. I thought the 8125 would be out by now, but now my card just arrived with no home. I'm going to try to wait until Valentines day, then I think I will pull the trigger on an I Mate.


Posted by: blueshockeynut

Quote:
Originally Posted by idic_2000
Does anyone know of a UMTS/HSDPA pda like the 8125 coming out for Cingular? My contract was up in December so I am pacing like a rabid dog but am not willing to settle for EDGE....


I honestly believe you wont see a UMTS/HSDPA PDA device until the middle, probably more closer to the end of this year, I do have a meeting coming up with the Cingular Development Team and will press this question to see what they say, or if they will just hem and haw around the topic.

JB


Posted by: idic_2000

When is the meeting? If they will not have a new phone till then, I may have to suck it up and purchase the HP 65**. I called HP and they have nothing on their roadmap (according to the rep) in the near future....


Posted by: idic_2000

Gotta admit I was hoping for a breakthrough from CES '06! So far.....


Posted by: high_tek

O.k. I had enough, today I bit a bullet and we will see what happens.
I ditched my efforts of waiting for the release of the 8125. I said,
ef you see kay cingular. I jumped ship and signed up for sprint. I found the pcc-6700 for $279 thru ebay through 'pcs networks'. I signed up for unlimited data @ evdo speeds for $15, 500 anytime, free incoming, free mobile 2 mobile, and a few other things. The phone will be here on monday. I had to pay a 100 dollar deposit that I get back in 11 months, but I think cingular still owes me my deposit from when I signed with them, so that's that. For what its worth I can deal with an antenna, I got a 416 mhz intel processor instead of 195 mhz TI processor, so I should have went this route from the get, I just didn't want to give up my rollover minutes. But when you look at it I had 450 anytime minutes and constantly had rollover minutes. So I will never use them anyways, and with 500 anytimes and free incoming I will never go over. I have never been on a plane so going overseas with my phone is not an issue. So for the next 2 years at least we'll be giving sprint the business. I expect others to follow with my decision or to go with verizon on the 19th of the month. Why should we wait for a product that is slower than the 6700, just because of an antenna, man screw that. Cingular service was ok but it wasn't good enough to keep me from jumpin ship obviously. We will see ,I am sure sprint won't be much better or worse, so it is what it is.
To be honest I am at the point that even if the 8125 came out tomorrow I would still be secure in my decision, although it would make me laugh


Posted by: CA

Yep it's happening. Personally I think the issues with sales, CS, etc. are the same on all the carriers. Just look in the forums here on HoFo, same thing different carrier and like I say it's not a life decision it's business or lack of it.


Posted by: idic_2000

I contacted the new HTC office here in the US. Here is the reply:

Thank you for your interest in HTC products. We currently do not have anything in the Pipeline but possibly at the end of the year.

XXXXX XXXXX
HTC Corp.
14450 NE 29th Place
Bellevue, WA 98007 USA

(m) XXX-XXX-XXXX



-----Original Message-----
From: XXXXX@XXX.XXX
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 1:01 PM
To: info
Subject: Welcome to the US!

Love your products. Looking for a UMTS/HSDPA mobile for Cingular (US) similar to the 8125. Any product coming out soon? I would rather wait than purchase an EDGE product...


Posted by: dday64

Does the 8125 support Cingular's PTT or no?


Posted by: blueshockeynut

Quote:
Originally Posted by dday64
Does the 8125 support Cingular's PTT or no?


Nope! Sorry!

JB


Posted by: blueshockeynut

Quote:
Originally Posted by idic_2000
When is the meeting? If they will not have a new phone till then, I may have to suck it up and purchase the HP 65**. I called HP and they have nothing on their roadmap (according to the rep) in the near future....


Early next week, the tech already knows I am after him for several phones to sennd me, so hopefully he will be bringing a few new ones, also, HP doesnt know what they are talking about, that is an atypical tag line they give, you have the 6900 coming out Q2 this year, which is similiar to the 6500, but has WM5 and a few other things on it, I believe they took out the SD card slot and just have a mini sd now.

JB


Posted by: CrazyKaks

blueshockeynut what are the software issues they were having to stall on the release of the 8125? i work for an agent and we ordered 1 for myself. but this was back in november and now we were told not available to us till jan. 9th.. is this true that you know? and sorry to bother but one last question do think the phone is worth it?


Posted by: exchguy

Quote:
Originally Posted by CrazyKaks
blueshockeynut what are the software issues they were having to stall on the release of the 8125? i work for an agent and we ordered 1 for myself. but this was back in november and now we were told not available to us till jan. 9th.. is this true that you know? and sorry to bother but one last question do think the phone is worth it?


He basically was saying that the radio stack was busted on the 8125 and they had to go back to HTC to fix it. Now, my question is how is the radio stack busted on the 8125 but there are many K-Jams working fine on Cingular? Must have been some of their tweaking that has caused it.


Posted by: exchguy

Quote:
Originally Posted by blueshockeynut
I honestly believe you wont see a UMTS/HSDPA PDA device until the middle, probably more closer to the end of this year, I do have a meeting coming up with the Cingular Development Team and will press this question to see what they say, or if they will just hem and haw around the topic.

JB

Yep, UMTS/HSDPA on any WM devices is at least 6-12 months out. If you want high speed data now, there are plenty of devices that run WM on Verizon and Sprint that have EV-DO now which is comparable to UMTS/HSDPA. Another reason why GSM is losing ground to CDMA carriers, at least here in the US.


Posted by: I have a phone

Quote:
Originally Posted by abendx
whoa... check it out!!

i have a reliable source that is a cingular rep on the planet ewoka. he states that you can get these phones as of three weeks ago from carlos... via sincere0012. just drop CASH into the mail.... and address it to:

sincere0012
1490 aliens have landed way
sucker city, florida 00212



best post today


Posted by: blueshockeynut

Quote:
Originally Posted by CrazyKaks
blueshockeynut what are the software issues they were having to stall on the release of the 8125? i work for an agent and we ordered 1 for myself. but this was back in november and now we were told not available to us till jan. 9th.. is this true that you know? and sorry to bother but one last question do think the phone is worth it?


If you go back further in this post I actually put in a line on what was going on with the device.

Jan 9th would be nice but I dont think it is going to happen, more then likely near the end of the month, but I hope I am wrong.

As far as the phone being worth it, depends on what you are going to use it for and how much you are going to use it, for me, it has truly started to become my main phone lately, but then again I also am the phone guy were I work, so I can tell you right now, in my work bag, I have the following phones that I am carrying - SMT5600, HTC 2125, Blackberry 8700C, Treo 650, MPx220, (2)MPx300's, Samsung D307, Samsung D357, LG7200, Samsung I730, Nokia 9300, Sony P910. Yes i actually have them all up and running and on Cingular, except for the I730 which is on Verizon, its called alot of late testing, plus the buisness is looking at PTT as well.

JB


Posted by: Seltzer

Quote:
Originally Posted by abendx
whoa... check it out!!

i have a reliable source that is a cingular rep on the planet ewoka. he states that you can get these phones as of three weeks ago from carlos... via sincere0012. just drop CASH into the mail.... and address it to:

sincere0012
1490 aliens have landed way
sucker city, florida 00212

i guess there is a special deal for the first 500 hofo members that send CASH. if you add your credit card number, mother's madien name, ssn, and birth date, you will get a free 400GB ipod nano. but don't forget to send that info in black ink, a pink envelope, and make sure the stamp is upside down, otherwise you will not be considered (sounds like some mail-in rebate to me?).

sincere0012 will send the package spaceEX Overnight to your door.... so add an extra 400.00 CASH to the envelope, otherwise it will come SAPS (Space Alien Postal Service) and that takes 10-12 weeks.


Mhm, sounds fishy.


Posted by: I have a phone

as stated earlier, 1/9 isn't going to happen folks.