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The old HTC/Cingular 8100 & 8125 smartphone thread
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Posted by: sparktography

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Originally Posted by iav122003

You guys are just mad he can post.

You short-short posters. :P

Shorter posters...short posers...what have you.

(I rather like Quarte's posts; long means more information for me to glean and have an informed perspective before I purchase.)

And he can't POSSIBLY be a bigger EVDO fanboy than some of the guys in the VZW forum (go figure). Guy tried to tell me the other day he'd kill someone in order to get lower latency on EVDO transmissions - then launches into a detailed description of who, how and why he'd murder each victim.

Beware the EVDO fanboys! (in the VZW forums).

You have a point. I tend to prefer longer, better thought out posts. I find it i interesting that this debate keeps getting EVDO drawn into it. I don't see anyone here contesting that EVDO is better than EDGE - It is. That does not mean that I want to leave Cingular for it. These things happen in cycles and eventually Cingular will have HSDPA and be on top again. Then after that I'm sure that the next latest and greatest thing will be rolling out with Sprint/Verizon and they will have the fastest again. It's competition like that that keeps all the carriers on their toes and helps get us faster internet.

I'm not excited about the 8215 for having fast internet (although the 802.11g does sound kind of tempting) - I am excited about it for the functionality and form factor that it offers. I would assume most of the people on here would agree with me. EDGE is nothing to write home about - but you can certainly write home with it. I run my life out of Chatteremail on my 650 now over EDGE. For asynchronous (sp?) stuff like email and chat EDGE is fine. Hell - the folks at mobi.tv even figured out how to stream media over it.

In short - who cares about EVDO. Look forward not back - we get HSDPA soon, and then we get to be happy. Now back to discussing the 8125.

Posted by: hesh

Holy cow.... so many awesome phones, so little money

This is looking really sweet.

Posted by: sparktography

Quote:

Originally Posted by iav122003

And he can't POSSIBLY be a bigger EVDO fanboy than some of the guys in the VZW forum (go figure). Guy tried to tell me the other day he'd kill someone in order to get lower latency on EVDO transmissions - then launches into a detailed description of who, how and why he'd murder each victim.

Beware the EVDO fanboys! (in the VZW forums).

Also: is it possible that he is just trying to get away from the rabid EVDO guys? I mean if I was looking for intelligent discussion rather than details of murder I would certainly seek out a business oriented Windows Mobile thread

Verizon savages!

(just kidding!)

Posted by: ASimpleFarmer

aaaaaaaaaaand were are back on topic

i've read that the k-jam has a collapsable(sp?) stylus. I'm guessing the 8125 will too. has anyone have experience with a stylus like that? does it unlock out of streched mode easily?

Posted by: pastyirishman

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Originally Posted by ASimpleFarmer

aaaaaaaaaaand were are back on topic

i've read that the k-jam has a collapsable(sp?) stylus. I'm guessing the 8125 will too. has anyone have experience with a stylus like that? does it unlock out of streched mode easily?

I've never used a telescoping stylus myself, but someone in the "Cingular Wizard" thread in the PPC forum posted this video of the unit and it looks to me like the action of pulling the stylus out of the unit automatically extends it, and putting it back in collapses it. Looked pretty easy to me from the video...

Posted by: sparktography

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Originally Posted by ASimpleFarmer

Unfortunatly I've used a stylus like that and found it akward. It is actually easier for me to use it like a nub than to extend it. The shaft on the extension is too narrow to grip easily and the mid-length change in thickness makes it awkward.

Luckily the biggest reason I'm excited about Windows Mobile 5.0 is my friends on the team at Microsoft said the biggest push for this release was making it keyboard enabled (now that we are in the QWERTY era for mobiles). Supposedly between keyboard shortcuts and the soft keys you really should not need a stylus at all except to push the odd soft button on a poorly designed app. Pushing a soft button is something I do with my fingertips. About the only time I use my stylus on the Treo 650 is to select text in an email for cutting and pasting - other than that its all about the keyboard and 5 way navigator.

If the 8125 can replicate that I'll be quite pleased. The keyboard improvements in the OS is to me actually more exciting than the push email features. It makes using a device really quick once you learn what key combos do what and what buttons you have to push in sequence to perform a common but complex task.

This is the only reason I'm not at all excited by the 2125 - Now that I've had the Treo I don't think I could ever go back to T9. It's just so difficult in comparison and only gives you 10 options on screen rather than 30+ things you can make happen with the push of a button.

UPDATE: I also wanted to add to that little rant that I sure hope I'm wrong about the stylus. Even though I'm excited about having a device that I never have to use the stylus, if the stylus is well implemented I'll be all the more pleased.

Posted by: hesh

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Originally Posted by ASimpleFarmer

My Sony Clie has a collapsable stylus and it works fine. When you pull it out, it stretches out by itself. I've had it over a year and it still works great. No sign of the "locking" wearing out or anything.

Posted by: dstrauss

The collapsible part doesn't bother me, so much as it being in the bottom of the phone. I can't tell you how many Sony Clie stylus I've had to replace because they fall out the bottom.

Posted by: WebbyBabe

I'm about to give up on cingular and purchase one from dweiniger.com The price went down $20. It's not a big price drop, but it does make a difference.

Posted by: Quatre

hm, collapsable stylus? another possible con of the Wizard compared to the Apache?

Anyway, you guys have me all wrong, for one thing I do not write out my posts and then paste them in here but I did get a good laugh out of that one =D.

Basically, I just start typing and rant on giving too much detail as if I'm assuming someone who doesn't know the basics is reading it. I also describe my particular dual carrier multiphone situation and ask/look for some feedback on what combination might be best thats all, but I end up figuring it out myself and just confuse everyone else so I realize that isn't worth it anymore.

I am not really an evdo fanboy, but as been noted, fact is, it is faster then edge and if you have the choice to get pda phone and data plan with evdo or one with edge it is a no brainer. Then you get all the ppl saying well i like switching sim with gsm, yes I do too that is why i'm on it but if you are lucky enough to have one cdma carrier and one gsm, wouldn't you use your cdma carrier for data with the faster speed?

And to be clear I am by no means a vzw fanboy, in fact I despise them most of all the carriers. Believe me I can't wait for the day that cing has umts/hsdpa and I dont need cdma for data anymore.

I always find it amazing how in a particular thread, unless you are just a cheerleader for the phone in the subject you risk getting flamed, dare you mention the pros and cons or comparison against another similiar phone let alone different carrier you get bashed. Combine that wiht my long posts and I'm just a target, but I dont really care, even if noone is in a similiar situation though some are, or noone is up to the task to read and understand my complex carrier/phone situation and give some input, explaining it helps me figure what will work best for me and I usually do get at least some feedback or something I overlooked etc.

Bottom line, many of you seem close minded to having cdma for data in addition to your gsm as you wouldn't think to have a second carrier but it may be more plausible then you realize, if you drop paying for data on your gsm and whatever else you lower you could open up enough money to have a evdo pda phone on a cdma carrier with just data and/or data and lowest min plan for possibly the same amount total that you currenlty pay for just your gsm carrier.

Again maybe this isn't the thread to figure it out. But what I have found is that is that as far as opening a new account with Sprint or VZW with a ppc6700/xv6700 its about the same. VZW allows you to just get an unlimited data plan with no voice plan but its 44.99, then you could just use your gsm for voice still and switch phones all you want.
Sprint seems to have the best data plan rate of all of them at only $15/mo for unlimited evdo (power vision) but they make you get a voice plan and their lowest is 29.99 so you are at the same $45 though I guess the plus is you have some minutes but in my case and many you dont really need them if you have gsm.

Then there are other factors, like if you have friends and fam on one of the carriers, in my case that is with vzw. When the v710 was coming out, it seemed better then anything else for any other carrier and I wanted to try it out so i had my wife just add a line to her account. It was good for free in calling with her, our fams and other vzw friends, plus then there was a class action suit in which I chose the refund towards new vzw phone option.

I deliberated between that and the choice to get refund for phone and cancel the line with no etf. This adds to the complications of my situation and therefore leaves me semi stuck with vzw for my cdma carrier though I dont let it stop me as you can see I got a ppc6700 with new sprint service anyway for the reasons that it was out and vzws version still isn't and the fact that sprints data pricing was 1/3 the price of vzw.
Alas, as i mentioned above it still comes up to be 45/mo for both as sprint makes you get a voice plan.

Problem now is that sprint doesnt seem to have an ev signal around my house so I figured that is the deal breaker and not worth keeping but of course it isn't that easy of a decision as I can just use wifi at home which is faster then evdo anyway most of the time for me and the fact that sprint will have it up in 1.5 mo.

But it kind of just makes more sense to have it on vzw as a second line on my wifes account so I can have in calling with her and others as well as the longer implemented wider spread evdo signal including at home. Complication there is that my wife has a lower voice plan that charges her $20/mo for the second line that i use even though I think she just pays it, its still a factor vs. 29.99 voice plan on sprint or getting my own vzw line with just data for 44.99 and that way her or I dont pay the 20/mo for second line on hers.

Of course, I do have 2 lines/sims on cingular so I really don't need any voice min on cdma in calling or not as the in calling really just helps her, our fams, friends not use min when calling me etc. as I have plenty of gsm min and dont care.

So you see, there are all these pros and cons and it is not an easy decision, in fact I'm back to being completely up in the air between the ppc6700 for sprint which I currently have but need to decide whether keeping in like 8-9 days before trial is over, the xv6700 on vzw when it ever comes out which could be any time from tomorrow to january, and of course our beloved Cing 8125.

But considering I'm already paying 140+/mo for 2 lines on cing both with data (one unlimited) and both with mms and sms and currently don't really pay anything for my vzw phone I need to figure out a combination that is as much or less then what I am paying now.... not easy.

Probably the most logical economic thing to do, is just be patient and wait for my v710 refund t come through in late January or after and use that nice $339+ towards an xv6700 on vzw which I also get for the 2yr price so I wouldn't have to add much prob. Then cancel paying for data on cing to make room for the 44.99/mo for unlimited evdo data on vzw.

That really is the main factor here, the stupid class action claim form, If I try and go a different route then the option I chose on the claim form of keeping the vzw line and using refund of my v710 towards new vzw phone @ 2yr price, they could screw me over. As much as I dont like being tied down and like to be free to go with who has the best phone or first and cheapest rates etc as evidenced by me getting a ppc6700 and new sprint contract when i already have vzw and cing, it really would be wisest for me to stick to the option I chose as not to risk losing out on it which is pretty significant.

Though not the most patient or logical, I'm basically now leaning towards a variant of that which would have me getting the Cing 8125 when it comes out (hopefully Friday Nov. 18?) to hold me over and keep me patient for my refund to come in late Jan. or after to use towards an xv6700 with faster evdo speeds on vzw.

Hopefully I haven't really gotten to spoiled with evdo trying out the ppc6700 on sprint as I haven't had much ev signal with them, so i'd be ok with the cing 8125 until my refund comes through that i could use towards the xv6700.

Then the only real problem would be selling my then useless GSM Treo 650 and Cing 8125 once I no longer was paying for data on Cing. I'm pretty lazy when it comes to selling phones and have a few I never could be bothered to do so which have now gone down in value. But hopefully especially on the cing 8125 being still so new come Feb. and having paid full price for it which I will have to do as i dont think i'm eligble to any discount with cing and noway i can open a 3rd line with them to do so, I will be more motivated to sell it. The whole checking your email from ebay to see who bid and then having to package it up and mail it thing is not appealing to me but I'll have to.

Hope you understand me and my particular carrier/phone situation better now and can give some intelligent feedback/advice. But short of something I may have overlooked or pricing i'm not aware of, i think i have all the facts and have a general idea of what i'm leaning towards doing though still basically up in the air.

Bottom line, if the Cing 8125 comes out before vzws xv6700, I wil be getting the 8125.

Posted by: importluva

Ok Quatre I skimmed your post and one thing I completely disagree with is having a CDMA carrier for my data device. The whole point of having a PDAphone like the wizard is so I DON'T have to carry around 2 devices...ever. And the fact that with GSM I can swap out my sim into my razr or other phone when I don't need the total functionality of the pdaphone.

Posted by: Omega2008

Damn! dude stop writting books! jebus.

Posted by: dstrauss

Did anybody really read his version of the Illiad? At least he uses paragraphs.

Posted by: zachavm

I don't think anybody is going to read that whole thing. I took one look and skipped it all.

Quatre: no one will read it if you make such long posts. Where do you find the time to do that?

Posted by: diadjika

gps any news today ???

i think quatre is a retired english professor

Posted by: stillrockin

Call me crazy, but I find lots of humor in quatre's posts! My friend, you remind me of my father in law. You have an analytical mind, I can tell from your posts! You weigh every option, and then evaluate that points weight, and then weigh out what is important to you. By the time you have figured it out, You have done a wonderful job of putting me to sleep! LOL! zzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

huh?? /wha?? Is the 8125 here yet???

Posted by: John-Fox

The Siemens SX66 disappeared today from Cingular's list of available handsets in my zip code. Maybe the 8125 is close. Still torn between that and the BlackBerry 8700c, though.

Posted by: stillrockin

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Originally Posted by John-Fox

The Siemens SX66 disappeared today from Cingular's list of available handsets in my zip code. Maybe the 8125 is close. Still torn between that and the BlackBerry 8700c, though.

I checked this morning and the sx66 was still there. After reading your post, I checked again and the SX66 IS still available in my zip code . .

Posted by: Rock3nrenigade

SX66 is gone for me aswell. (10583)

Posted by: aaronscool

SX66 is gone for me too...Darn, I was really hoping to pick one of those up too.

But seriously back on topic...I really want to talk some more about Verizon's EVDO and why I need 2 plans and 2 phones

Posted by: stillrockin

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Originally Posted by aaronscool

SX66 is gone for me too...Darn, I was really hoping to pick one of those up too.

But seriously back on topic...I really want to talk some more about Verizon's EVDO and why I need 2 plans and 2 phones

I don't think you can do that only typing two lines of text. Try writing a book and by the time you have finished maybe some upstart will come up with REALsuperFAST (TM) data streams and you will have to start over evaluating which carrier to go with and which phone.

Posted by: ps_benj

When the 8100 / 8125 comes out, You'll be able to pick up the SX66 pretty cheap.

I'll keep mine, for testing applications that I am developing.

Posted by: Birdbrain

I work at Microsoft and know we just released the AKU 2.0 for Window Mobile 5.0...basically a service pack with additional features. I wonder if Cingular is testing these new bits so they can release the phone with the most up to date OS??

GPS - any word on the Monday call today?

Also - I spoke to a local cingular store manager and he claims the 8125 is delayed and will now be released in December.

Posted by: crownsrini

Quote:

Originally Posted by John-Fox

The Siemens SX66 disappeared today from Cingular's list of available handsets in my zip code. Maybe the 8125 is close. Still torn between that and the BlackBerry 8700c, though.

I dont see that in my zip code (ATL) either... Good news!!!!

Posted by: PointZero

Quote:

Originally Posted by Birdbrain

I work at Microsoft and know we just released the AKU 2.0 for Window Mobile 5.0...basically a service pack with additional features. I wonder if Cingular is testing these new bits so they can release the phone with the most up to date OS??

GPS - any word on the Monday call today?

Also - I spoke to a local cingular store manager and he claims the 8125 is delayed and will now be released in December.

No offense, but I seriously hope that you're wrong. I, along with everyone else, cannot take anymore delays or possible delays.

Posted by: Birdbrain

I hope I'm wrong; I want the phone now too!

Posted by: zachavm

Oh gps, oh gps, where for art thou gps?

Posted by: crownsrini

in HTC wizard thread, i read a post saying it is available of internal ordering by employees, & their team is going through some 'training".
He hopes in this case, it should available in a weeks time.

Posted by: noodles5666

Quote:

Originally Posted by crownsrini

in HTC wizard thread, i read a post saying it is available of internal ordering by employees, & their team is going through some 'training".
He hopes in this case, it should available in a weeks time.

Yea, I tried to do an upgrade via CS. No go but he did say that it will be here by the end of the month.

Posted by: zachavm

Again I say, where art thou gps? I miss thy updates. Please return to us from general westerly direction.

Zach

Posted by: myke

i went to the cing store and asked they said someone else asked about it earlier. one said he didnt know, the other said it was delayed till march.

Posted by: zachavm

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Originally Posted by myke

i went to the cing store and asked they said someone else asked about it earlier. one said he didnt know, the other said it was delayed till march.

liar, liar, liiiaaarrrr (alla Miracle Max's Wife from "The Princes Bride")

Zach

I'm in a strange mood today

Posted by: skyloscp

that so sounds like someon screwing with u. I can tell that cingulars tone has been changing about the device and they are on hush hush. Probably a safe way of saying go away its coming soon :P atleast we all hope. ERGGGG

Posted by: djfusion

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Originally Posted by crownsrini

I dont see that in my zip code (ATL) either... Good news!!!!

Yep, gone in 30307. Gotta be soon.

Posted by: zachavm

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Originally Posted by djfusion

Yep, gone in 30307. Gotta be soon.

I have been trying to find a code that didn't have the sx66. Now I type that code in (cut and copy) and it still shows up.

Zach

P.S. Been trying to find a reason to use that doh one for a while now.

Posted by: gps

Quote:

Originally Posted by Birdbrain

Nope. To be honest, I wasn't even on the call today. I did ask someone involved with pricing if they had heard a price and when they (2125 and 8125) would be released. He said that he hadn't heard any info on either. All he said he had heard was that it was set to release (real soon).

Look, they gave an EOL announcement on the SMT5600 last week and they gave an EOL announcement on the SX66 on Friday. The damn 8125's and 2125's haven't been delayed. They wouldn't announce EOL's unless the new devices were on schedule.

Posted by: zachavm

And.....

Yes that was it, common sense just returned to this forum. Now I can go to bed. Thanks gps. Hopefully I will learn patience once this device comes out. It's just that I have been researching and waiting for this for almost a year now (was under contract).

Zach

Posted by: fowen

Weds. is comming fast. Thank god for my B2B account!

Posted by: gps

Quote:

Originally Posted by zachavm

It's just that I have been researching and waiting for this for almost a year now (was under contract).

Zach

I didn't realize this model/style was a year old. Interesting.

Posted by: Copernicus325

Quote:

Originally Posted by fowen

Weds. is comming fast. Thank god for my B2B account!

B2B... *hisses*

Posted by: jetli

Quote:

Originally Posted by zachavm

And.....

Yes that was it, common sense just returned to this forum. Now I can go to bed. Thanks gps. Hopefully I will learn patience once this device comes out. It's just that I have been researching and waiting for this for almost a year now (was under contract).

Zach

Try two years, one year of which I was free from contract.

Now I can go to bed as well.

Posted by: zachavm

Quote:

Originally Posted by gps

I didn't realize this model/style was a year old. Interesting.

I mean pda phones in general. Like the sx66 or the treo.

Zach

Posted by: ps_benj

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Originally Posted by fowen

Weds. is comming fast. Thank god for my B2B account!

Still trying to convert my personal account to a B2B account.

Anyone know anyone helpful in that dept?

Posted by: fowen

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Originally Posted by ps_benj

Still trying to convert my personal account to a B2B account.

Anyone know anyone helpful in that dept?

Check your PM's.

Posted by: fowen

Does anyone have the SKU numbers posted on the Cingular website? I seem to have misplaced them and his original post has been edited on the Cingular site.

Posted by: crownsrini

8125-> 70025 from what i saw in these forums

Posted by: SonyStyle

Its beginning to be very hard to draw the fine line between pocket pc and laptop..... Why would I want a crazy awesome wizard.... that has wifi and a keyboard thats a phone...... thats almost as expensive as a laptop.....

a laptop has a bigger screen and has more memory and operating system...... I just dont get it...

Technology is getting uhhhh too crazy..

I think that we have conquered all of the goals in cell phone innovation and should go back to the true roots, we have great cameras and large color displays and bluetooth and all this junk, and windows ... we need to focus on being small, better antennas and the best battery life. (the V3)

Posted by: crownsrini

some people move on & GROW BIG with technology, and some people go smaller.. its individual decisions...

Posted by: SonyStyle

yea. its so weird I have no interest in this phone, because number 1 i cant afford it, and number 2, cingulars data prices are queer

Posted by: fowen

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Originally Posted by *Cingular*

Its beginning to be very hard to draw the fine line between pocket pc and laptop..... Why would I want a crazy awesome wizard.... that has wifi and a keyboard thats a phone...... thats almost as expensive as a laptop.....

a laptop has a bigger screen and has more memory and operating system...... I just dont get it...

Technology is getting uhhhh too crazy..

I think that we have conquered all of the goals in cell phone innovation and should go back to the true roots, we have great cameras and large color displays and bluetooth and all this junk, and windows ... we need to focus on being small, better antennas and the best battery life. (the V3)

This is where we disagree. I don't want to have to carry my laptop with me everywhere I go just to respond to emails and pull information off of the web. I run a business and I am out in the field quite a bit. While I am out in the field I get support emails (from another division of my company) that sometimes don't get answered for 4 - 8 hours until I get back to my PC.

With a device like the 8125 I will be able to respond to the customer either with a quick resolution almost immediately, or pass the ticket along to a tech and let the client know the issue is being worked on. I don't want to lug a laptop (especially a $350.00 laptop) around and have to break it out every time I get a email.

The 8125 also allows me to carry one device. I no longer need a PPC and a phone OR a Phone and a Laptop, I can carry around the HTC 8125 and have almost all of the options I would have carrying around a 6 lb laptop and a cell phone.

Posted by: SonyStyle

good reasons..... but can u get gmail on it?

Posted by: fowen

Sure, GMail offers POP3. I am not sure if you will be able to use the web interface on it or not.

I currently use IMAP for most of my emails. I will also be setting up a Exchange server in the next couple days so I can play with the Push features and also the synchronization of contacts and calender objects.

Edit: This is the first phone I can truthfully say I have been excited about. I love new gadgets as much as the next Geek (tm) but the functionality this will give me while staying in a small form factor and price range (I paid $350.00 for the MPx200 when it first came out and I stopped carrying a PDA along with my phone) is amazing and will allow me to make more money. I look at this phone (for me) as a investment not a expense.

Posted by: SonyStyle

man, if i had enough for it, u business kings are set

Posted by: crownsrini

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Originally Posted by *Cingular*

yea. its so weird I have no interest in this phone, because number 1 i cant afford it, and number 2, cingulars data prices are queer

I am sorry, but this thread is for people who are eagerly awaiting the phone. This thread is for people who believe in the onvenience that technology has to offer!!!!! Sorry guys, you are in the wrong section of forum.... V3 might be great, but wizard is wowwwwwww.........

Posted by: SonyStyle

after someone explained ti to me i reconsidered, read above

Posted by: .7

OP price updated

Posted by: crownsrini

updated to?????

Posted by: noodles5666

Quote:

Originally Posted by crownsrini

updated to?????

Check the first post.

Posted by: noodles5666

Does anyone know if I will be able to connect my Logitech BT keyboard to this like I could on the HP Ipaq 6515? I was unable to connect with the Treo 650.

Posted by: zachavm

yes you will. It is built in functionality for wm5

Zach

Posted by: ps_benj

Quote:

Originally Posted by gps

Have you guys seen this thing? The 8100 does NOT have a camera and the 8125 does. I'd love to post a good pic of it, but the limitations of this board don't allow for it.

Price---------------------------------------

$449 no contract
$399 1 year
$349 2 year

$50 Mail in rebate

Specifications-----------------------

Microsoft Windows Mobile 5.0 Pocket PC Phone Edition
128MB SDRAM / 64MB Flash ROM
GSM / GPRS / EDGE Quad-Band 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
Class 10 Multi-slot
Bluetooth / WiFi / Infrared / Mini-USB / Mini-SD
Build-in Microphone and 3D Surround Speakers w/ External Stereo Audio Jack
AMR / AAC / WAV / WMA / MP3 / MPEG-4 / H.263 Media Player
MMS / JAVA / MPEG-4 Streaming / SVG / PDF / OMA DMA
Voice Command / FAX Support
GoodLink and XpressMail stub apps in ROM

Looks nice to me!! Can anyone tell who actually makes it?

(orginal post by gps and edited by tripy for sticky)

quoting first article for those of us not wanting to lose our place in reading this thread.

Posted by: fowen

woowoo! Looks like we have confirmed prices... just need to get a confirmed release date. the 16th is looking pretty grim.

Posted by: jtatum

Quote:

Originally Posted by *Cingular*

Normally I wouldn't feed the trolls, but I can't resist. You say you want your phone smaller, right? Why? Easier to carry around, fits in more places, "cooler"? Then, you go on to ask why someone wouldn't want to carry around a giant 8 pound laptop (btw - if you buy a new laptop from Dell that costs $450, it is a piece of crap).

Pocket PC is mobility when a laptop is too much. I won't take a laptop to the park or a restaurant, but I sure will take a phone.

This reply is too long for a post that was almost certainly a troll to begin with... Rough day at work I guess

Posted by: SonyStyle

im not a troll. I just was thinking out loud and seeing why I would want one of these versus a laptop. but it was explained above, the usefullness.

Posted by: sparktography

Quote:

Originally Posted by jtatum

Indeed - the whole point seems to be that you don't need to lug a laptop with you everywhere if you have a capable enough PDA/phone hybrid. It's all about convergence!

Still crossing my fingers for the 16th, but not holding my breath!

Posted by: dstrauss

Quote:

Originally Posted by sparktography

You'd be blue in the face by now. If this thing even has a chance of being released within the next week, something significant in the rumor mill should have already broken. Instead, near silence. Our local Cingular shop (who've been fairly reliable) are all stoked about the big Crackberry 8700c release for the Xmas shopping season. They know there are two Windows phones coming as well, but nothing solid on anything but the Crackberry.

Posted by: zachavm

Quote:

Originally Posted by dstrauss

Lack of information does not equal lack of release. Just becuase the bb and the hp had official announcements before their release does not mean the 8125. The same person who gave us those beautiful pictures of the 8125 has a thread that lists the release date as the 22nd. However, even his information is ever changing. Therefore, it could really pop out at any time. Currently though, there are things that are suggesting a release. Some have reported cs having it in there system. I myself talked to a store that had the unit in the system with no price or release date. Also, the sx66 has begun to dissapear from some regions phone options (online on cing web site). Furthuremore, the 5600 price has droped significantly, suggesting that it might soon be replaced.

It will be out soon, and most likely this month IMHO.

Zach

Posted by: dstrauss

Well Zach, I hope you're right, but I've been around our local Cingular store on black Friday the last couple of years, and you couldn't get in the door for Xmas shoppers signing up for new cell service/phones. Why would Cingular run the risk of losing sales because they release "by the end of the month" when everyone's beating hte doors down on 11/25? I just don't see these two phones (2125/8125) as stealth releases.

Posted by: McCarron

Quote:

Originally Posted by sparktography

Sounds like two years ago when I was in the market for a Treo 600 and Cingular stores around me didn't have them yet. I found one that had one, to be used as floor model, and they wanted $600 for it with a contract and wouldn't negotiate on price. Needless to say I walked over to Best Buy and got the Treo 600 with Sprint for $300.

Now I'm looking to recreate that experience and call around to all the stores on Black Friday hunting down the 8125. Or just wait til everything settles down. Part of me wants to wait for Amazon.com to pick it up and offer some mail in rebate deal on it.

For the pricing fixed today, it says a $50 mail in rebate. Are the prices mentioned AFTER the MIR or before? If so it's not worth getting a two year contract for only a $50 savings when you'll invest much more money into that next year. Being stuck in a two year with Sprint has proven to be a pain, this 2nd year they have been terrible to me. Even attempting to slip a 3rd year onto my plan without my acknowledgement, noticed that last week and promptly got them to fix that scam attempt.

Posted by: crownsrini

Quote:

Originally Posted by dstrauss

Well, From my experience, I have always seen all carriers offer more than just a few models of BB at the same time. SO i wouldnt doubt the release of another BB. However, if you notice, (correct me here if I am wrong) we have never had any carrier atleast in US, offer more than two PPC phones at any given time. Dont you think that missing of SX66 tells us something here?

Posted by: rkdiddy

Shouldn't someone from one of the retail locations be able to confirm they did received them today or not? I'm guessing they would either get them today or tomorrow.

In regards to destrauss statement about the "silence". I agree that there is a lot of silence, however last year when the smt5600 came out it was exactly the same. I couldn't believe the lack of information out there. I think it is just different Marketing stategies. The Treo and HP devices had a vested interest in making a big point it was being released. With both these devices they are Cingular branded...so there might not be the same push. Just my $.02

Peace!

Posted by: Omega2008

The SX66 is down on cingular.com in my area too. We will see if it will be released tommorow. Me thinks that it will be available to B2B customers first.

Posted by: jetli

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega2008

The SX66 is down on cingular.com in my area too. We will see if it will be released tommorow. Me thinks that it will be available to B2B customers first.

SX66 is gone in my area as well (Chicago), it was still there yesterday when I checked. Lets hope we can get this tomorrow.

Posted by: Biochemlab

Alright... Just called Cingular...

Asked to set up new service.

Then, asked for the HTC 8125.

The guy didn't know what I was talking about, but then asked me to hold on. After a good wait, he came back and said it had just been released!! He then said "You mean, the HTC HP, right?"

I was like, "What? No, just HTC... The HTC 8-1-2-5"

He said "Yeah, it just came out."

So, I asked the cost... He said "It's $549 without a contract, $499 with 1 year and $449 with 2 year." - This is higher than we all have been anticipating.

He also agreed to look it up online for me. (Even though I said I had done that and could not find it). He then said, "There it is, right under the Palm 650."

I surfed, but no... that was the HP6515... (which is, coincidentally, $449 with 2 yr contract)... He said, "Oh, you know what, I'm sorry, that's the HP... yeah, it isn't online yet. If you want, I can go ahead and get your new service set up here and we can ship the phone to you."

So, here's my dilema. 1st, I have no guarantee that guy knew what he was talking about. 2nd, I would like to hold it to feel the build before buying it. 3rd, the price was +$100.

What do you guys think?

Posted by: jetli

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biochemlab

Alright... Just called Cingular...

Asked to set up new service.

Then, asked for the HTC 8125.

The guy didn't know what I was talking about, but then asked me to hold on. After a good wait, he came back and said it had just been released!! He then said "You mean, the HTC HP, right?"

I was like, "What? No, just HTC... The HTC 8-1-2-5"

He said "Yeah, it just came out."

So, I asked the cost... He said "It's $549 without a contract, $499 with 1 year and $449 with 2 year." - This is higher than we all have been anticipating.

He also agreed to look it up online for me. (Even though I said I had done that and could not find it). He then said, "There it is, right under the Palm 650."

I surfed, but no... that was the HP6515... (which is, coincidentally, $449 with 2 yr contract)... He said, "Oh, you know what, I'm sorry, that's the HP... yeah, it isn't online yet. If you want, I can go ahead and get your new service set up here and we can ship the phone to you."

So, here's my dilema. 1st, I have no guarantee that guy knew what he was talking about. 2nd, I would like to hold it to feel the build before buying it. 3rd, the price was +$100.

What do you guys think?

Personally I think he doesn't know what he's talking about and it's kind of risky to ask him to place an order on what might be the hw6515. You should probably ask him more details on this HTC that he says is just released, ask for some basic specs, see if it's the same as the 8125.

Posted by: Biochemlab

Well, since I am not on the phone with him anymore, I can't ask him more specifics... I guess I could call back.

I just called a store and spoke with a guy there.

Me: "Hi, I'm calling about the HTC 8125."

Them: "Is that a phone?"

Me: "Yes, it should be released by Cingular this week."

Them: "Never heard of it. If you could give me a brand name, I could look it up for you."

Me: "That's it, HTC."

Them: "Oh, yeah, never heard of it. Wait, you mean the iPaq?"

Me: "No, it's a different phone by HTC."

Them: "Yeah, sorry, I don't think we carry that..."

Posted by: nskgti23

Would people STOP TRYING TO CONFUSE THE PRICING ON THIS DEVICE!!!!!!!!

There have been between 5-10 different sources that HAVE CONFIRMED the $299 (w/ voice/data and 2 year contract)....

Posted by: Biochemlab

I wasn't trying to confuse anything. I made it very clear that this guy had confused the 8125 for the 6515 repeatedly. And that the prices he quoted matched the prices of the 6515...

Sorry he was an idiot... I was just trying to share up to date info...

Posted by: Biochemlab

This was an bit warmer of a lead. Called another store. Dude said: "We don't have it yet, but we're getting it." I asked when, he said he didn't know exactly. I asked for a guesstimate, he said he didn't have much info on it. I asked for pricing, he said we don't have that info either.

So, again, useless call... but I'm trying...

Posted by: zachavm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jetli

SX66 is gone in my area as well (Chicago), it was still there yesterday when I checked. Lets hope we can get this tomorrow.

Just out of curiosity, are you guys checking buisness or standard customers?

Zach

edit: I checked the standard in my area, and it is gone now too.

Posted by: Omega2008

Stop bugging them...at least wait until tommorow when its "supposed" to be released. I called myself today to ask some questions about my account. I also asked if the SKU number I had for the device was valid, they said yes but they don't show any in stock in the warehouse. So that means that they are gearing up to release it. And yes the price is still 449 with no contract.

Posted by: myke

I talked to my local store and asked generally what the time frame is between them finding out a phone's release date and actually recieving the phone and he said "We know the release date the day they arrive at our store"

So moral of the story: Dont believe any release dates anyone in the store or on the phone tells you.

Some of you may recall the MPX220. Wasnt suppose to be released for 2 weeks and then randomly one day best buy got them all in stock. Granted it was only a half working phone, it goes to show release dates are tricky butt suckers.

Posted by: jlczl

Quote:

Originally Posted by nskgti23

Would people STOP TRYING TO CONFUSE THE PRICING ON THIS DEVICE!!!!!!!!

There have been between 5-10 different sources that HAVE CONFIRMED the $299 (w/ voice/data and 2 year contract)....

It's actually been 2-3 sources and a bunch of others regurgitating the same info.

Posted by: Omega2008

I just got one!!!!...........sike hahahah...

that is all.

Posted by: jetli

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega2008

I just got one!!!!...........ssssiikkkeeee hahahah...

that is all.

I hope you choke on an egg bone

Posted by: Omega2008

an egg bone..............

right.

Posted by: noodles5666

Yay!!! The SX66 is out of the Philly market!!!! 19067

Posted by: jetli

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega2008

an egg bone..............

right.

A chicken bone? T-bone? WHAAALEE BONE????

Posted by: aadadams

It's gone in Baton Rouge 70809 as well.

Posted by: PointZero

It's gone in San Jose, California as well. Can you provide more details of your acquisition Omega?

Posted by: Omega2008

hahaha........maybe you should read what I said once more.

Posted by: smokeyb111

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biochemlab

to me, there's not much of a dilemma. I mean if you're gonan be buying it from Cingular, if you end up getting something that isn't exactly what it's supposed to be, you can always send it back................

Posted by: Biochemlab

Unless they charged me shipping, or took 6 weeks to get the exchange straight...

Oddly enough, I feel safer ordering on the internet than I do over the phone...

Posted by: Omega2008

Yeah XBM or just plain returing a device to Cingular can be a pain some times.

Posted by: smokeyb111

Yeah I've been there a few times myself, but all in all, it works in your favor. Either you get the HTC or you don't, and you send it back....might take a while, but you'll get ya money back (eventually).

I always charge phones that I buy from Cingular to my account anyway. And I vehemetly won't pay for a phone I've sent back. I've played that hardball with Cingular (ATT blue) before and they eventually credited my account for the phone I sent back. (happened more than once)

Well I'm just waitin on this phone. I like the "crisper" look it has opposed to the Qtek 9100. The squared edges on the "8125" just looks better to me. CAN'T WAIT!

Posted by: Biochemlab

I agree with you entirely on the aesthetics.

Posted by: abendx

so assuming the no contract price is 450... how close do you guys think the k-jam and 9100 will come to this price (assume the 500-550 range??)? i'd be willing to pitch a few extra bucks to get an unlocked phone with regular updates.... but not the 750 some are asking for now. looks like wirelessimporters.com have dropped their monday's price of 700 to 650 on the k-jam.

Posted by: aaronscool

My guess is they might go as low as $599 on K-jams but don't count on it. Remember these are for the world market not the US and the world market is not going to be seeing the 8125 anytime soon.

That said my prediction is the 8125 won't be here tomorrow. Maybe on Friday but probably early next week some channels may have it (Internet, some stores, B2B).

Just my guess though...anyone want to start a pool?

Posted by: gps

Quote:

Originally Posted by fowen

woowoo! Looks like we have confirmed prices... just need to get a confirmed release date. the 16th is looking pretty grim.

The last release dates I've received are as follows:

"current ETAs are 11/29 for the 8125 and 11/22 for the C2125. Of course these are subject to change…"

I think I've already posted these SEVERAL times.

Posted by: myke

2 more weeks? arrrrg!

Posted by: nskgti23

Quote:

Originally Posted by jlczl

It's actually been 2-3 sources and a bunch of others regurgitating the same info.

Actually there have been between 5-10 sources that haven confirmed it. There have been 3-4 on here alone (different people) that have confirmed it.

Omega, GPS, and Drewpost are 3 of them on this site alone. I haven't directly confirmed anything, but all 3 of my sources have also confirmed what they suggest. Once I see the pricing sheet with my own eyes, then I will confirm it. But my sources are ALMOST never wrong.

Posted by: nskgti23

Quote:

Originally Posted by gps

I would suggest flipping those, but I could be wrong..

Posted by: gps

Quote:

Originally Posted by nskgti23

I would suggest flipping those, but I could be wrong..

Man, I'm just cutting and pasting from an email. The guy who sent it to me DOES know what he's talking about. Maybe it was a typo on his part.

You know where I'm coming from.

Posted by: Omega2008

oh well thats ok....more time to rack up more cash.

Posted by: Omega2008

whats up with the picture of the Cingular store?

Posted by: myke

i wish there were a 8125 in it

Posted by: Omega2008

ok.....that was pointless

Posted by: myke

hurray!

Posted by: Biochemlab

If only I could post the sound effect for when link raised up the wooden sword... I think more than just I would have gotten a warm fuzzy...

On another note, I sure was hoping to have this phone before I got my 360.

Posted by: jetli

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega2008

ok.....that was pointless

Personally I thought it was pretty funny

Posted by: zachavm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biochemlab

If only I could post the sound effect for when link raised up the wooden sword... I think more than just I would have gotten a warm fuzzy...

On another note, I sure was hoping to have this phone before I got my 360.

Okay, that's just freakin hilarious.

Zach

Posted by: Biochemlab

Oh yeah... you know you woulda loved it if this page opened and Link raised the 8125 and the sound effect played... I'da hit the floor.

On second thought, though, if GPS does have them backwards (not doubting you, just wishful thinking) then the 8125 comes out on the 22nd... and that means I will need to take my backpack downtown with me cause I'll go straight from EBGames to get my Xbox360 to the Cingular store 2 blocks away to get my Phone...

The hard part is deciding on which to play with first!!

OOOOHHHH It's like Xmas in November.

Posted by: zachavm

Hmm... wish I gave a crap about the 360.

Posted by: Biochemlab

OFF TOPIC: I plan to play it for a week before putting it on ebay for $1,500 reserve. Some richer than me mofo has a whiney a** kid... And then I'm putting the extra $1000 in the 45" Aquos fund.

Posted by: jetli

It's officially Nov. 16th. Someone start calling Cingular already

Posted by: Omega2008

Not on the website yet. Telesales isn't open in my time zone.....I will call later but I am sure someone will before me. I got a feeling its not going to be out today, at least not for us non B2B customers.

Posted by: McCarron

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biochemlab

The sound clip played in my head, so that works enough for me!

And I get my 360 on Saturday, won mine from Pepsi and it's scheduled to be delivered on Saturday. And I gotta wait til atleast Black Friday to get my 8125 due to my other phone contract with Sprint. So I got time to play with the 360 before the 8125.

And the phone isn't on the website here for me either. I may hunt down a few Cingular people here at my office, work for SBC in Chicagoland, and see if I can squeeze out some information. I've been looking for some people testing it, like I've seen other phones early here before, but no dice so far.

Posted by: noodles5666

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega2008

Not on the website yet. Telesales isn't open in my time zone.....I will call later but I am sure someone will before me. I got a feeling its not going to be out today, at least not for us non B2B customers.

Called up CS about 15 mins ago, and still nothing.

Posted by: rkdiddy

Just checked the business site and nothing either....

And the wait continues...<insert Jeopardy music here>

Posted by: nskgti23

IT IS NOT COMING OUT TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

QUIT CALLING NBO/TELESALES/CUSTOMER CARE asking for this device....

Posted by: jeasher

Quote:

Originally Posted by nskgti23

IT IS NOT COMING OUT TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

QUIT CALLING NBO/TELESALES/CUSTOMER CARE asking for this device....

What are you trying to say?

Posted by: bearfield

cingular in memphis says 'the end of the month'

and yes, the only reason i registered was to post this comment

Posted by: fowen

Quote:

Originally Posted by nskgti23

IT IS NOT COMING OUT TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

QUIT CALLING NBO/TELESALES/CUSTOMER CARE asking for this device....

You mean there is no chance if every person on the board calls in there is one representative that has one secretly hiding at his desk that will give it to me for free?!?!?! :GASP:

Posted by: ASimpleFarmer

Wirelessly posted (Nokia 6682: Nokia6682/2.0 (3.01.1) SymbianOS/8.0 Series60/2.6 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 UP.Link/6.3.0.0.0)

It will come out when the man who bleeds orange says so

Posted by: fowen

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASimpleFarmer

Wirelessly posted (Nokia 6682: Nokia6682/2.0 (3.01.1) SymbianOS/8.0 Series60/2.6 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 UP.Link/6.3.0.0.0)

It will come out when the man who bleeds orange says so

:Poking Myself With a sharp needle:

Damnit.....

Posted by: RulinSmoove

haha, all these posts are funny. this is my philosophy since i've been interested in gadgets in general for some time now... all the hype, rumors and uncertain information is fun talk about. everybody would love to believe the 8215 would come out between the 13th and the 19th of this month but without information coming right from the man, we will never know. just like the v600, mpx200 and mpx220.

but in any event, im sitting on the edge of my chair waiting to snag this phone when it comes out

Posted by: pjammin10

From what I gathered about information and availability, Cingular updates their website at 2am EST (12am Pacific). If something isn't on there by that time, chances are it won't be updated during any part of the day.

Posted by: RulinSmoove

Quote:

Originally Posted by pjammin10

From what I gathered about information and availability, Cingular updates their website at 2am EST (12am Pacific). If something isn't on there by that time, chances are it won't be updated during any part of the day.

i bet you it will be in stores this saturday (11/19)... just a guess, anybody wanna bet 10$ :P

Posted by: fowen

Quote:

Originally Posted by RulinSmoove

i bet you it will be in stores this saturday (11/19)... just a guess, anybody wanna bet 10$ :P

Ill take that bet. :Shakes Hand:

Posted by: trottintrails

Just talked to two stores in my zip code: 27511 (Cary NC). Both sales people actually heard of the phone, but neither had any information on when or how much. The second sales guy actually said he had been doing online research and new of the supposed 16 nov date but that he was waiting just like the rest of us.

Posted by: RulinSmoove

Quote:

Originally Posted by trottintrails

Just talked to two stores in my zip code: 27511 (Cary NC). Both sales people actually heard of the phone, but neither had any information on when or how much. The second sales guy actually said he had been doing online research and new of the supposed 16 nov date but that he was waiting just like the rest of us.

Same with me, I talked to the store manager of a corporate store here in 22032, he said that the Siemens phone was already discontinued, he did have info on the Cingular 8125, saw it in the system, but couldn't give me any exact date except for him saying "mid-november".

Posted by: zachavm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASimpleFarmer

Wirelessly posted (Nokia 6682: Nokia6682/2.0 (3.01.1) SymbianOS/8.0 Series60/2.6 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 UP.Link/6.3.0.0.0)

It will come out when the man who bleeds orange says so

Wait a minute, I bleed orange. I say it will come out now!!!!

For those of you wondering what the heck I am talking about, I am a student at oklahoma state university and that is a common statement among cowboy fans.

Zach

Posted by: jetli

Someone from MGN posted that he called B2B sales and they're not in stock, but they're listed as High Tech 2100/2125 and High Tech 8100/8125, instead of HTC. (The rep couldn't find it under HTC)

He also mentioned that the rep said that the phone will be released "by Monday" (11/21).

There's some interesting new information.

Posted by: dstrauss

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkdiddy

Just checked the business site and nothing either....

And the wait continues...<insert Jeopardy music here>

I'll take EDGE for $500 Alex!

Posted by: McCarron

I just read my new issue of Men's Health and their Holiday Gadget Guide had a cell phone rundown and had the Tmobile Wizard, aka MDA, featured but no mention of it's clone on Cingular. Tmobile isn't even aiming to launch the phone until 2006, so I think Cingular dropped the media relations ball here because atleast *we hope* that Cingular should have the 8125 out by Xmas and would make a better fit for a "Holiday" guide.

Posted by: nskgti23

Or maybe TMobile offered Men's Health more money...

Quote:

Originally Posted by McCarron

I just read my new issue of Men's Health and their Holiday Gadget Guide had a cell phone rundown and had the Tmobile Wizard, aka MDA, featured but no mention of it's clone on Cingular. Tmobile isn't even aiming to launch the phone until 2006, so I think Cingular dropped the media relations ball here because atleast *we hope* that Cingular should have the 8125 out by Xmas and would make a better fit for a "Holiday" guide.

Posted by: Omega2008

**** I saw Cingular advertising that new Nokia smartphone (the big one with the dual screens) in a magizine and that was a year ago....

Posted by: Quatre

Quote:

Originally Posted by myke

hurray!

tadah! LOL!

anyway i have a question, it looks like the 8125 doens't have the windows or ok button that the ppc6700 has. is this accurate? It seems to have just the call and end button and the 2 menu buttons but now the window/start and ok buttons that the ppc6700 has.

anyone confirm this.

I'm still hoping the cing 8125 comes out first but if the xv6700 does then I'll have to get that as it has higher speed data with evdo.

yes i'm returning my ppc6700 due to no ev signal and that it makes more sense to keep my vzw on my wifes account as my secondary and cdma carrier due to various reasons.

Been nice having the ppc6700 for trial but I just want either xv6700 or cing 8125 to come out before my trial is up, heh, though i guess a few days without one of the versions wont kill me.

Posted by: McCarron

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quatre

anyway i have a question, it looks like the 8125 doens't have the windows or ok button that the ppc6700 has. is this accurate? It seems to have just the call and end button and the 2 menu buttons but now the window/start and ok buttons that the ppc6700 has.

It has a total of 6 buttons on the top while closed. Call/End and 4 other buttons (not entirely sure what they all do, but I read they are all customizable). Plus the 4 way navigation. So a total of 10 buttons on the top.

Posted by: Quatre

think the 4 way nav will be as good as the ppc6700's because it has a surprisingly good and responsive one. It prob be more like the kjam or qtecks 4 way nav, what are those like.

Posted by: hesh

Quote:

Originally Posted by McCarron

From looking at the large pic on the first page of this thread, it looks like the top two buttons are maybe email and internet. I think the one on the left is an envelope and the one on the right looks like some sort of globe. But I could be totally wrong lol

Posted by: zachavm

Quote:

Originally Posted by hesh

Yes, that's what they are programed for, but that can be changed.

Zach

Posted by: Quatre

oh yeah I see, the other 2 buttons are on the top and one looks to be the Intnernet explorer E? and the other an envelope or something like you said, which is weird because the ppc6700/xv6700 have the 2 other buttons at the bottom and the one is the windows/start button and the otherjust an ok button.

Where are these buttons on the kjam and qtek? why are they at the top on the 8125? seem like that will be awkward/out the way inconvenient.

ppc6700 has the E button on the side as well as volume a record button i think with tape on it and the infrared while on other side it has a cam button.

apache uses mini sd card, thats what the wizard uses right?

kind of sucks as th treo using reg sd card was nice as i could just pop in card from camera and vice versa.

anyway if anyone was interested in seeing vzw's xv6700:
http://estesgraphics.com/GS/Picture-001.jpg

one thing bad I heard already from someone who has it is that vzw seems to have disabled/crippled using the phone when in wireless/wifi mode? according to someone who has it here:
http://www.pdaphonehome.com/forums/...2909#post432909

also the xv6700/vzw fanboys claim that he wizard has a slower processor, is this true?

Posted by: aaronscool

So the two buttons on the bottom of the 8125 are softkeys that correspond to on screen actions like "Start" or "Back" or other things. The two up top are hotkeys you can reprogram but by default are for Internet/email.

Wizard uses MiniSD. This does kind of suck but it works...

Lots of fanboys have knocked the Wizards use of a "slow" processor in the TI OMAP at 200 Mhz. (I think the 6700 has an Intel running at 400 Mhz). There are two things to note however.

1. Not all processors are created equal. Intel processors while clocked high don't get as much done per cycle as other procs do.

2. The TI OMAP processors are dual core so most of the phone's functionality goes through a dedicated 200 mhz while the ppc stuff has it's own 200mhz. The end result is the wizard will perform comparably to a 400mhz processor in all but the most processor intensive apps.

End result though is at 200 Mhz the Wizard uses less power and thus has a longer battery life than a 400 Mhz Intel would.

Posted by: Rock3nrenigade

Amen Brotha!

Posted by: Quatre

Quote:

Originally Posted by aaronscool

So the two buttons on the bottom of the 8125 are softkeys that correspond to on screen actions like "Start" or "Back" or other things. The two up top are hotkeys you can reprogram but by default are for Internet/email.

Wizard uses MiniSD. This does kind of suck but it works...

Lots of fanboys have knocked the Wizards use of a "slow" processor in the TI OMAP at 200 Mhz. (I think the 6700 has an Intel running at 400 Mhz). There are two things to note however.

1. Not all processors are created equal. Intel processors while clocked high don't get as much done per cycle as other procs do.

2. The TI OMAP processors are dual core so most of the phone's functionality goes through a dedicated 200 mhz while the ppc stuff has it's own 200mhz. The end result is the wizard will perform comparably to a 400mhz processor in all but the most processor intensive apps.

End result though is at 200 Mhz the Wizard uses less power and thus has a longer battery life than a 400 Mhz Intel would.

thankyou for that great clarification of the difference in cpu between the 2 devices. Still seems like the apache has the edge in that dept. and on top of having evdo I hate how the cdma fan boys brag about these main 2 advantages and bash the gsm wizard.

Posted by: sparktography

Quote:

Originally Posted by aaronscool

1. Not all processors are created equal. Intel processors while clocked high don't get as much done per cycle as other procs do.

2. The TI OMAP processors are dual core so most of the phone's functionality goes through a dedicated 200 mhz while the ppc stuff has it's own 200mhz. The end result is the wizard will perform comparably to a 400mhz processor in all but the most processor intensive apps.

End result though is at 200 Mhz the Wizard uses less power and thus has a longer battery life than a 400 Mhz Intel would.

http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wt...t/data/omap_850

I don't think it has two 200mz cores precisely. It does have additional circuts on the die to handle many of the phones additional features (such as audio, and data) but there is only a single 200mz RISC based core for application processing.

Posted by: TerryMathews

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Originally Posted by sparktography

You're correcting him, but you're saying the same thing. The TI OMAP has a general purpose CPU and additional processing circuitry embedded in it. He never said it was a SMP CPU.

Personally, I'm of the opinion that having dedicated hardware to handle Bluetooth + WiFi + GSM will lead to more available processing power, not less. I think some of the slowdown early testers are seeing is related to most programs being optimized for the XScale - there are some specific instructions that only it can take advantage of a la SSE3.

The PDA market had multiple binaries available for platforms before, it can handle it again.

Posted by: Omega2008

It has two cores, but the main core runs at 200mhz while the other runs at a lower speed. The point is that the OMAP processor is just as effiecent as the Intel one. If not better. The MPx 220 has a 200mhz processor and it screems...just needs more memory.

Posted by: Quatre

just tried streaming xm radio at xstreamxm.com/mobile and it is great! even with the only 1x signal i'm currently getting at home with sprint and the ppc6700. I'm sure it will be even better with edge on teh 8125 or evdo on the xv6700 which i'm still up in the air but bakc to leaning towards the 6700 as i'm used to it and was planning on getting it anyway in late jan or after at which point it would be a pain to transfer all stuff from the wizard and sell it.

Posted by: dchaney297

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Originally Posted by Quatre

just tried streaming xm radio at xstreamxm.com/mobile and it is great! even with the only 1x signal i'm currently getting at home with sprint and the ppc6700. I'm sure it will be even better with edge on teh 8125 or evdo on the xv6700 which i'm still up in the air but bakc to leaning towards the 6700 as i'm used to it and was planning on getting it anyway in late jan or after at which point it would be a pain to transfer all stuff from the wizard and sell it.

What's the deal with that website you mention, xstreamxm.com/mobile?

How does one get a username and password? I tried just the domain xstreamxm.com and it says actual website coming soon.

Thanks
David

Posted by: gps

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Originally Posted by dchaney297

Like it says, Pocket PC users: check out XstreamXM Mobile! Just point your Pocket IE browser to: http://www.xstreamxm.com/mobile

The username and password are the same username and password you use on the www.xmradio.com website. You must be a subscriber to XM to get a username/password. This isn't a "secret way" to get free XM radio. It's only a way for actual XM Radio subscribers to listen via their phone.

Posted by: Quatre

thanks gps, sorry to the other guy that I didnt' specify this. there has got to be other ways to get free streaming inet radio channels like winamp and other progs offer. there is shoutcast.com but so far as i know you need some pocket media player that costs money. there is threads about all this and hopefully the proper info as i only got to read up on a little but yeah i'll be looking for a another way to stream music and free besides xm especially once my free xm subsrip runs out and i dont renew it.

Posted by: Eric5273

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Originally Posted by gps

This is great. I am an XM Radio subscriber.

Posted by: TradeViceroy

There's a better way to do this without having to log into a site and give out your e-mail and XM password.

The link that contains the info is down as I just checked it out. However, there is a playlist for both high and low sound formats floating out there. All you have to do is download them and insert your e-mail and password. Open up the playlist in WMP (only works in media player), select your channel, and enjoy.

Posted by: TreoBangla

Just spoke to two corporate stores in the BAltimore, MD area, both confirmed that the HTC 8125 is pushed back till end of the year-Dec maybe. Anyone have any updates or info to confirm.

Posted by: RulinSmoove

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Originally Posted by TreoBangla

Just spoke to two corporate stores in the BAltimore, MD area, both confirmed that the HTC 8125 is pushed back till end of the year-Dec maybe. Anyone have any updates or info to confirm.

I spoke with a corporate cingular store today in fairfax virginia and they said mid november for sure...

Posted by: fowen

I have given up on trying to figure out when it is going to be released. When it does, I will get one.

Until then I am using my trusty MPx200.

Posted by: RulinSmoove

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Originally Posted by fowen

I have given up on trying to figure out when it is going to be released. When it does, I will get one.

Until then I am using my trusty MPx200.

same with me. pretty much exactly the same as me.

Posted by: dstrauss

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Originally Posted by RulinSmoove

I spoke with a corporate cingular store today in fairfax virginia and they said mid november for sure...

Did you happen to mention we passed the midway point on Tuesday?

Posted by: jetli

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Originally Posted by RulinSmoove

same with me. pretty much exactly the same as me.

I am glad you guys don't have to put up with a crappy dropped-2000-times LG VX6000 that still looks sexy - but doens't respond to half of the button presses and randomly misses reminders - causing the owner of the phone to miss important appointments.

I really can't wait till this phone comes out.

Posted by: noodles5666

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Originally Posted by jetli

I really can't wait till this phone comes out.

Yea same here with my beatdown Nokia 1100

Posted by: RulinSmoove

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Originally Posted by dstrauss

Did you happen to mention we passed the midway point on Tuesday?

yah, i said what the eff is wrong with you people, stop breaking balls and just get the g-damn phone out already. whatsahmatta with you?

Posted by: obstacles can kill

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Originally Posted by noodles5666

Yea same here with my beatdown Nokia 1100

i know the pain your going through jon. haha. but you should probably update your phone list

Posted by: TheTrueStar

Question: Do you have to have a PDA plan to get this phone, because i want it for Christmas and don't wanna pay 40 cash for this plan.

If so is it possible just to get a regular media plan?

Posted by: hesh

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Originally Posted by TheTrueStar

Question: Do you have to have a PDA plan to get this phone, because i want it for Christmas and don't wanna pay 40 cash for this plan.

If so is it possible just to get a regular media plan?

I could be wrong but I don't think you need any particular plan to get this phone. You probably need a particular plan to take advantage of some of the features but you should be able to still use it as a regular PDA and phone.

Posted by: Biochemlab

I think you have to buy a data plan in order to get the contract discount on the phone. But if you are ready to pay $450, it should be all yours...

Posted by: Omega2008

Yep, to get the 50 dollar discount on the device you have to sign up for a PDA Connect plan. If you buy the device out right, you don't have to get any kind of data plan...but I would recommend you do.

Posted by: mbranscum

I love these "eminent release" threads!

... so exciting!!!!

Posted by: DustinE

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Originally Posted by noodles5666

Yea same here with my beatdown Nokia 1100

Lol, looks like theres alot of us using crappy phones until the 8125 comes out. I myself am using a v400 with a cracked external screen. My 5600 fell in the toilet last week, i am still pissed... I planned on using it as my back up.

Posted by: jeasher

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Originally Posted by DustinE

My 5600 fell in the toilet last week, i am still pissed... I planned on using it as my back up.

Too funny...

Posted by: jetli

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Originally Posted by DustinE

HAHAHAHA thats hilarious

Posted by: Biochemlab

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