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The old HTC/Cingular 8100 & 8125 smartphone thread

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Posted by: jeasher

Quote:
Originally Posted by Omega2008
However I heard that the MSFP/AKU 2.0 won't be released until next year....

Sorry to be ignorant, but what's the MSFP/AKU 2.0?


Posted by: Omega2008

AKU 2.0 is the bluetooth profile that lets you use BT headphones. MSFP stands for Message and Security Feature Pack. You need this to have push email with exchange servers given that the exchange server has SP2 installed.


Posted by: badgermac

I gave up and got a Treo. I can use it for a couple months and upgrade later. Sidenote: the Treo is definitely more stable then when I had it the first time at launch. I'm actually enjoying it, and thus far no reboots, and call quality and signal has been excellent. Love the speakerphone too.


Posted by: Omega2008

yuck! Palm OS


Posted by: badgermac

I was a Palm user before I was a Windows CE user (Philips Nino and Velo) so I'm familiar. I had a Treo but took it back within the 30 days back at launch, but thus far me likey.


Posted by: noodles5666

Ok my N1100 Pooped out today so I bought an HP 6515, but only with the hopes that the 8125 will be out by my 30 days.


Posted by: Omega2008

Never liked Palm....but thats me. Yeah I would of gotten a hw6515 too but is 200 more than what I want to spend so I said forget it.


Posted by: sparktography

Quote:
Originally Posted by badgermac
I gave up and got a Treo. I can use it for a couple months and upgrade later. Sidenote: the Treo is definitely more stable then when I had it the first time at launch. I'm actually enjoying it, and thus far no reboots, and call quality and signal has been excellent. Love the speakerphone too.


You seem to have lucked out. I got my Treo about 3 months ago and it crashes nearly daily. The hardware is solid, but Palm clearly has no idea how to make good software. The whole single threaded thing is rather annoying as well.


Posted by: duchski

Quote:
Originally Posted by myke
4 weeks.... so that'd be december 19th? glad i sold my treo on ebay. I'm about to break this old nokia i'm using with a hammer. Here is a picture of what I've been using the past 4 weeks so you can all feel my pain:



I feel your pain man. I have pushed my 5600 on ebay and have to use family back up phone, some old LG piece of c..p.

By the way, CINGs B2B claims he release date for 2125 is ealy December


Posted by: Omega2008

When I see it on the Cingular Website thats when I will get it or if some other oppertunity persents itself.


Posted by: exchguy

[QUOTE=hdcl]I hope I am wrong, but based on the people I am talking to, I don't think I am. That being said, the dates are being driven by the software/hardware regression cycles. Once all the issues have been fixed, there is a finite testing schedule that needs to be completed. If the involved parties figure out a way to go through the testing quicker than the usual cycles, you may see an earlier launch date.
QUOTE]
Couple these delays with the fact that most businesses including software dev cycles starts to slow down around the holidays because of vacations, holidays etc. Not much gets done. I know, because I am in IT consulting. I'd say, chalk this one up to a Jan release at best..hopefully by then they will go ahead and throw in in AKU 2.0/MSFP. Sounds great to me.


Posted by: jeasher

Quote:
Originally Posted by exchguy
I'd say, chalk this one up to a Jan release at best..hopefully by then they will go ahead and throw in in AKU 2.0/MSFP. Sounds great to me.
Does the K-Jam and Qtek 9100 have AKU 2.0/MSFP?


Posted by: Omega2008

Nooooooo. No device does right now. A ROM upgrade is needed for that. That is why I hope Cingular puts this stuff on the phone before they release it so we don't have to wait forever for them to release a ROM upgrade.


Posted by: juan9999

I'm tired of waiting- can anyone recommend where to get a k-jam?

Also, can anyone summarize the difference between the k-jam and the 8125?

Thanks!


Posted by: Omega2008

They are the same. They just have a different design cosmeticly. Go to the PPC forum and seach, your questions will be answered there.


Posted by: pcman

I sold my smt5600 2 weeks ago and now using a Sony T637 I was also going to sell this on ebay when I got my 8125 or the other 2125 but I'm missing my internet and email.
I have 2 Cingular accounts one for me and my wife and both are eligable for a upgrade so I may use my wifes account and pickup the TREO 650 for the $139 and either sell it or use it untill the 8125 comes out.
But like others say I'm a Windows man.
Then use my account for the 8125 upgrade.
She is just fine with her basic LG1400.

this is my first post and this looks like the forums to get my updated info:

thanks
tom

ps anyone need a T637 ?


Posted by: I have a phone

y'all will have to wait a bit longer for HTC to get their stuff worked out.


Posted by: jeasher

Quote:
Originally Posted by I have a phone
y'all will have to wait a bit longer for HTC to get their stuff worked out.

Why is it on HTC? The Wizard is out already.


Posted by: fowen

I believe the MSFP is slated for a release in January. If they are waiting to incorporate this we will be waiting quite some time.


Posted by: duchski

Here is a pic from FCC's website
HTC Toronado (the pic is to big to be posted on HoFo)

It shows the Bluetooth module w/o Wi-Fi...... Sad.

Can anybody get the exact FCC ID for the device just to make sure?


Posted by: CA

I wonder if the delay is about this?
Quote:
was originally to be released before Christmas anyway, but was delayed so that Nokia could incorporate Microsoft’s PlaysForSure DRM support
I know it's not a Nokia(so stay off my back )but it is WM5.


Posted by: duchski

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonix
I wonder if the delay is about this?I know it's not a Nokia(so stay off my back )but it is WM5.

Hey who knows, there are so many things that have to be coordinated with a new release, final SW release and testing, support, store displays, advertising
etc etc...
Or maybe they need a final signature and the responsible guy (or chick) is on vacation?

Who knows. We just have to wait and hope that the delay is due to some last minute tehcnical issues that will be resolved so we can get a fully functional phone with an updated and bug free software. I'd rather wait another month then struggle with a lemon... We all remember MPX220

By the way, IMHO, Motorola sux... And so does Nokia, although little less...
Nokia is a has been, once a LEADING phone manufacturer and MOTO is a "never-been", never been able to release a decent, well thought through product... Now the future belongs to Windows Mobile, a logical step born out of the concept of convergence and recent developments in miniaturization....


Posted by: suavebaby

ONLY 20,000 Units, and 40 Millions Customers... Not Enough Units! They will sell quick... and will be very valuable to resale on Ebay, if you kan get ur hand on more than one!


Posted by: pauldg

i heard the wifi on the 2125 is actually an extra piece that looks like a loop antenna (similar to a SE z520 or W600), is this true? not really certian, but i bet VoIP is probably disabled somehow


Posted by: pauldg

i meant the 2125 b4 i get flamed


Posted by: myke

Everyones talking about a delay to make sure the software is perfect, so it has the push email, so the rom is and good as it can be for all of us. Well, the funniest thing happened the other day. I was sitting there with my friend who has a Sidekick (ewe!) and the thing starts flashing and says "now downling new rom" it then proceeded to install it all on its own. This of course all happening while my friend is acting like its christmas time on her phone. It then finished the auto update. The new rom had been installed and she excitedly went looking through her phone to see what the new update brought. So why, may i ask, cant they release a phone and then send an update over the air when they fix or add whatever they wanna fix or add?


Posted by: duchski

Quote:
Originally Posted by myke
Everyones talking about a delay to make sure the software is perfect, so it has the push email, so the rom is and good as it can be for all of us. Well, the funniest thing happened the other day. I was sitting there with my friend who has a Sidekick (ewe!) and the thing starts flashing and says "now downling new rom" it then proceeded to install it all on its own. This of course all happening while my friend is acting like its christmas time on her phone. It then finished the auto update. The new rom had been installed and she excitedly went looking through her phone to see what the new update brought. So why, may i ask, cant they release a phone and then send an update over the air when they fix or add whatever they wanna fix or add?



Did you notice the size of the ROM on Smartphones?


Posted by: myke

no. i also have no idea the size of a sidekick rom.


Posted by: duchski

Quote:
Originally Posted by myke
no. i also have no idea the size of a sidekick rom.


If that's the case maybe you should do some checking.


Posted by: TerryMathews

Quote:
Originally Posted by duchski
Did you notice the size of the ROM on Smartphones?


At 50kbit/sec with a file size of ~30MB, you'd be looking at about an hour and a half of continuous downloading just to have downloaded a Smartphone ROM.

Most PPCs/Smartphones don't have that much available storage space, since you'd need enough for the ROM and a little bit of working room.


Posted by: dstrauss

I assume the ROM has to be flashed in total all at one time? Would it be possible to put a stub into the ROM that lets you load update patches to another segment without having to flash the whole thing? Early Palms (through 4.x) would let you load "patches" in RAM that ROM would load at boot time. With a second (or protected segment) of ROM you could achieve the same result.


Posted by: Omega2008

WM does not support on demand ROM updating. On WM device a ROM update is like applying a BIOS update on your computer, you can't just download it and install it with Windows XP up and just restart. Same concept here. On smartphones when you do a ROM update it clears the ROM chip and applies the new image with the new ROM and OS on the ROM chip. That is why you loose all your data. Not sure if this is true on PPC's or if this has changed for both WM platforms with WM5. So you see you can't just do a OTA ROM update or even a ROM update with the phone on. We are talking about two different animals. The sidekick is a simple device with a simple ROM infrastructure and is not near as complicated as a WM device.


Posted by: Omega2008

You are correct. But sometimes a ROM update can be applied if there is no need to reinstall the OS. But in most cases a ROM update comes with a new image of the OS.


Posted by: CA

The very thought of using the OTA system to do a WM5(or any other) Read Only Memory update gives me a headache just thinking about it. MS goes so far to say to have your device plugged in and not to depend on your battery(away all brick making ). Complicating this by using wireless data is just crazy.


Posted by: Exstatica

Quote:
Originally Posted by myke
Everyones talking about a delay to make sure the software is perfect, so it has the push email, so the rom is and good as it can be for all of us. Well, the funniest thing happened the other day. I was sitting there with my friend who has a Sidekick (ewe!) and the thing starts flashing and says "now downling new rom" it then proceeded to install it all on its own. This of course all happening while my friend is acting like its christmas time on her phone. It then finished the auto update. The new rom had been installed and she excitedly went looking through her phone to see what the new update brought. So why, may i ask, cant they release a phone and then send an update over the air when they fix or add whatever they wanna fix or add?



Errr, Push email will not be included until next year, and it won't come standard with wm5. They can do updates over the air but they won't. It's too risky, and most likely it will kill the phone. I currently have a PDA2k from i-mate. Rom updates are a pain and sometimes they work and sometimes they don't I would never want my WM device updated over the air.

Cingular is taking it's time, The rom probably comes from siemens, just like they did with the sx66 (pda2k without the camera, genericly called the blue angel) So either they are stuck on the rom, or are in current manufacturing.

Cingular always takes a long time to get stuff out. I won't be jumping on the bandwagon with this phone though it only supports edge, When cingular launches it's new 3G network this phone cannot take advanatage of it. Nor can any EU phones because they run on the nice standard of 2100. Which won't be used here in the us due to FCC regulations.

So i'll wait until a phone can support 850/900/1800/1900 + GRPS/EDGE + UMTS 1900/2100

until then i'll stick with what i got

Andrew


Posted by: CA

One other thing WM5 now doesn't include DRM and the new ROM will. I ask one thing, Who would d/l and install a rom after the fact(as in if they sold them now) that has DRM when the one they now have does not copy secure the media d/l ed on it and ultimately transferred.


Posted by: ps_benj

it sounds like we have a lot of experts talking about things where expertise is lacking, so I will go ahead and join in too!

Most patches made to the ROM do not include an entire new image, rather the rom is updated via ext-rom (run-once programs that run after a hard reset)

I suppose cingular can push down such updates over the air (it was done with the SX66) to the phones after activation. I do not see cingular store personel opening each box to connect it to a PC, set it to flash and then wait around for 30-45 minutes to complete a flash operation.


Posted by: duchski

Quote:
Originally Posted by Exstatica
Cingular always takes a long time to get stuff out. I won't be jumping on the bandwagon with this phone though it only supports edge, When cingular launches it's new 3G network this phone cannot take advanatage of it. Nor can any EU phones because they run on the nice standard of 2100. Which won't be used here in the us due to FCC regulations.

So i'll wait until a phone can support 850/900/1800/1900 + GRPS/EDGE + UMTS 1900/2100

until then i'll stick with what i got

Andrew


Well, I am afraid that once we hit broadband speeds days of flat fee data plans @ $25 will be over and you start paying for speed accordingly....
For a typical phone applications (mail, sms, light Web browsing on a limited display and even streaming video for a small display 128K (old ISDN speed) is enough. It would be nice to have more bandwidth but I am afraid it will become very expensive then. I do not believe in Santa anymore.


Posted by: Omega2008

I was not talking about patches. I was talking about ROM upgrades. A totally different ROM version. Not a patch to a current ROM. A patch would not need a OS image unless it was a patch to the OS itself. Sorry if I confused the point. I am not saying its not possiable to OTA ROM upgrades because it certianly is. I just don't see Cingular doing it. Why go thru all that when they can delay the device and releace it up to date.

Cingular Stores do not to ROM upgrades on devices, at least not on WM devices. Most of the time, the ROM update comes from the manufactuer with the carriers branding and settings, not from the carrier. Take for example the MPx 220 ROM's...all of them came from Motorola, but each had branding and settings for each carrier that carried the MPx 220.


Posted by: Quantyoda

Quote:
Originally Posted by Exstatica

When cingular launches it's new 3G network this phone cannot take advanatage of it. Nor can any EU phones because they run on the nice standard of 2100. Which won't be used here in the us due to FCC regulations.

So i'll wait until a phone can support 850/900/1800/1900 + GRPS/EDGE + UMTS 1900/2100

until then i'll stick with what i got

Andrew


I'm not planning on waiting for 3G, but what is the ETA for broadband on Cingular/AT&T?


Posted by: hdcl

Time for me to chime in again. WM 5 DOES support both over the air (OTA) software updates as well as cradled pass through updates. The way around large update file sizes on limited data plans is to do an Active Sync cradled pass through from your desktop / laptop using your high speed internet connection. This is the recommended way anyway. Once the entire update is downloaded, a checksum can be performed to make sure nothing got munged on the way down. Then usually a reboot is required to actually install the update.

As a WM5 beta tester, I did this many times and it works quite well. Whether or not Cingular or any carrier will offer this is entirely up to them. Keep in mind they want you to buy new devices every so often so it is in their best interest to obsolete the old ones. This is also why version updates (WM2002 to 2003 or 2003 to 2003 SE) were so hard to get. Also, it complicates things because major version upgrades DO require a full ROM flash and the average non-technical user (nobody on this forum of course) is more likely to hose their phone during this than successfully upgrade. It also creates a huge customer service burden and bottom line is there is no revenue upside for the carrier.

That being said, I believe the majority of the carriers WILL provide some kind of MSFP/AKU 2.0 upgrade to their WM5 devices but we will have to wait for official announcements. The final MSFP/AKU 2.0 RTMed recently so bits are available for hardware manufacturers and carriers. The RTM for MSFP/AKU 2.0 required a full ROM flash but I don't know if there are plans to make this available via OTA updates.


Posted by: Omega2008

Thats what I thought.....thanks for the clarification.


Posted by: jetli

All that discussion about ROMS is great, but what good is it when I have no PHONE in my hand? Today was supposed to be one of the release dates.

Is it really delayed till January? That would suck some serious donkey nuts.


Posted by: exchguy

Quote:
Originally Posted by jetli
All that discussion about ROMS is great, but what good is it when I have no PHONE in my hand? Today was supposed to be one of the release dates.

Is it really delayed till January? That would suck some serious donkey nuts.

Nobody is sure if it means Jan, but from what some insiders are saying we are looking at at least mid-December at best. So another 3-4 weeks likely.


Posted by: duchski

HDCL, or anybody else, did you have any luck soft. unlocking and SIM-unlocking 2125?
That's the frist thing I will need to do. (plan to use it on Blue) I wonder if the old C500/C600 method will work on 2125...


Posted by: diadjika

GPS any news ???
please help


Posted by: sparktography

*sigh* That $700 K-JAM is looking better and better by the moment. It would gripe me to spend that much on a phone though, particularly beacause Murphy's law states that the moment I open the box the 8125 will ship for $250 cheaper. Then again perhaps it would be my good deed for the year to buy a K-JAM now so the rest of you can get an 8125 sooner.


Posted by: macallan

Sparky,

That's exactly what would happen. I'll just keep waiting. I'll buy the 8125 or the Nokia 9300, whichever appears first.


Posted by: duchski

Quote:
Originally Posted by sparktography
*sigh* That $700 K-JAM is looking better and better by the moment. It would gripe me to spend that much on a phone though, particularly beacause Murphy's law states that the moment I open the box the 8125 will ship for $250 cheaper. Then again perhaps it would be my good deed for the year to buy a K-JAM now so the rest of you can get an 8125 sooner.


Sparky,

Not to mention the fact that Cingular will replace your phone if it breaks.
I am not sure about the manufacturer's policy....


Posted by: smithtec

Quote:
Originally Posted by duchski
Sparky,

Not to mention the fact that Cingular will replace your phone if it breaks.
I am not sure about the manufacturer's policy....


Do you have to buy an extra protection plan to get them to do that?


Posted by: jetli

Quote:
Originally Posted by sparktography
*sigh* That $700 K-JAM is looking better and better by the moment. It would gripe me to spend that much on a phone though, particularly beacause Murphy's law states that the moment I open the box the 8125 will ship for $250 cheaper. Then again perhaps it would be my good deed for the year to buy a K-JAM now so the rest of you can get an 8125 sooner.

If that was the case I'd chip in 20 dollars. Won't make a dent in the $700 but hey, it's for a good cause.


Posted by: grinny11

i gave up guys on the 8125, ordered a used qtek from madmonkeyboy for 650. what great service, if cingular could only be 10% as good...... i get my phone the very next day after i ordered it!!! so excited!!! i figure by the time this phone comes out from cingular, the new hp will probably be in the waiting process and i might be ready for that or the 8125 successor. it was great reading this thread with u all. good luck.


Posted by: myke

I'm sick of checking this thread every single day to find just delayed release dates.. i mean delayed speculative release dates and pages and pages of people complaining about the release date. Someone really oughta make a mailing list we can sign up for and when an actual release date is revealed (or if the phone is randomly released without warning in best buy, ala MPX220) someone can send a message.

eh?


Posted by: myke

Okay I made it. Whoever wants to send out the messages, speak up.

Subscribe here:

http://www.coollist.com/subscribe.html
list id: 8125

Manage/Send Out Emails here:

http://www.coollist.com/mod/login.html
list id: 8125
pw: cingular




Posted by: duchski

Quote:
Originally Posted by smithtec
Do you have to buy an extra protection plan to get them to do that?



On the blue side (old ATTWS) it was $25 - still a great deal and I take advantage of that all the time.... It's nice to get a phone w/o any scratches from time to time.......


Posted by: tremcotexas

I did it to. Qtek 9100 will arrive in the next 2 hours. If I don't like it...E-Bay here it comes! I am so stoked though... I will let you all know how it works on Cingular. Overall, I have heard nothing but good things as I have read a thousand of these threads for the past few weeks and once the delays were absolute I went for it.


Posted by: McCarron

Quote:
Originally Posted by myke
Okay I made it. Whoever wants to send out the messages, speak up.

Subscribe here:

http://www.coollist.com/subscribe.html
list id: 8125

Manage/Send Out Emails here:

http://www.coollist.com/mod/login.html
list id: 8125
pw: cingular


Thanks myke! Lets hope this actually gets used.

As for the delays, it works okay for me because my Sprint contract isn't over until next week. I can wait a few more weeks to pickup the 8125. I looked at Sprints 6700 and found it just a little too bulky, but mostly from knowing that the 8125 is smaller especially without that antenna. I'll patiently wait, watching here for the phone to come out and make the switch to Cingular.


Posted by: skyloscp

I'm a little confused. If the device is delayed 3-4 weeks does that mean that something like customs or some other problem lasted 3-4 weeks to delay this product. Or is it a combination of things like customs delay and rom and branding?


Posted by: CrazyKaks

Does anyone know will it support mp3 ringtones.. i mean i would assume that 5.0 mobile soft supports it..


Posted by: myke

yes, it will


Posted by: nskgti23

Quote:
Originally Posted by duchski
On the blue side (old ATTWS) it was $25 - still a great deal and I take advantage of that all the time.... It's nice to get a phone w/o any scratches from time to time.......



It is nice that you think it is ok to defraud the company of money also...

Too bad the 8125 is not covered by insurance....


Posted by: tremcotexas

For all of you waiting on the 8125, which I am as well. I just received the Qtek 9100 (K-Jam or Wizard) and have had a couple hours of playing with it and it is by far the best Smartphone I have seen from a first impression standpoint. The thing is TINY.. Plus, there are so many features, all of which I'm sure the 8125 will have. JUST AMAZING!!! Most importantly to me, it still works great as a phone!


Posted by: grinny11

i'm waiting for mine still tremcotexas. it says its of fedex truck for delivery at 8:30 am. I'm trying to downlaod all the software for it and get my ringtones and caller id pics together to pass the time.


Posted by: dma

Quote:
Originally Posted by tremcotexas
For all of you waiting on the 8125, which I am as well. I just received the Qtek 9100 (K-Jam or Wizard) and have had a couple hours of playing with it and it is by far the best Smartphone I have seen from a first impression standpoint. The thing is TINY.. Plus, there are so many features, all of which I'm sure the 8125 will have. JUST AMAZING!!! Most importantly to me, it still works great as a phone!



What do you think of the keyboard. I've been holding out for the 8125 because the keys look bigger. Are they keys just the small flush rubber ones, or are they raised plastic like the treo 650?


Posted by: duchski

Quote:
Originally Posted by nskgti23
It is nice that you think it is ok to defraud the company of money also...

Too bad the 8125 is not covered by insurance....



Buddy, I am from Brooklyn and not trying to justify it but that's one of the few occasions to get back at big corporations like Cing that are sc...ing us all the time...


Posted by: nskgti23

Quote:
Originally Posted by duchski
Buddy, I am from Brooklyn and not trying to justify it but that's one of the few occasions to get back at big corporations like Cing that are sc...ing us all the time...



Who cares if you are from Brooklyn, Compton or Bel Aire...

You are openly admitting to commiting FRAUD against cingular...

Either way the 8125 is currently not going to be covered by Cingular's insurance...


Posted by: DubDub

Quote:
Originally Posted by tremcotexas
For all of you waiting on the 8125, which I am as well. I just received the Qtek 9100 (K-Jam or Wizard) and have had a couple hours of playing with it and it is by far the best Smartphone I have seen from a first impression standpoint. The thing is TINY.. Plus, there are so many features, all of which I'm sure the 8125 will have. JUST AMAZING!!! Most importantly to me, it still works great as a phone!





From where did you order the 9100? Price reasonable? Service excellent? Any other thoughts?


Posted by: Mykeee

I have the 9100 and the only gripes I have with it are the GPRS issues (works fine, lose connection, reestablishes gprs, can't connect to anything via gprs, restart, connects, works fine) and using the 9100 one handed as a phone is challenging. The treo 650's one handed use was a lot better than the 9100's aka HTC Wizard aka imate kjam aka cingular 8125. Oh and the camera is ******


Posted by: dma

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mykeee
I have the 9100 and the only gripes I have with it are the GPRS issues (works fine, lose connection, reestablishes gprs, can't connect to anything via gprs, restart, connects, works fine)



I currently have that problem with my Treo 650.


Posted by: WebbyBabe

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mykeee
I have the 9100 and the only gripes I have with it are the GPRS issues (works fine, lose connection, reestablishes gprs, can't connect to anything via gprs, restart, connects, works fine) and using the 9100 one handed as a phone is challenging. The treo 650's one handed use was a lot better than the 9100's aka HTC Wizard aka imate kjam aka cingular 8125. Oh and the camera is ******


Glad to know. i won't be getting the 9100 as I originally planned. I can't believe it reboots.


Posted by: tremcotexas

Sorry it took so long for me to respond. I got my 9100 from Mad Monkey Boy. Ordered it at 11:00 pm on Monday and had it by 10:00am Wednesday. Overall, I am loving it.

Mykee- I had the same problem with my 9100 and EDGE on Cingular. Go to the following link and it explains what you need to do to fix it. You need to have a data plan etc. already in place with Cingular I think. I had the Treo 650 with unlimited data plan etc. (I know its frustrating getting booted off edge; I have a short fuse and if I had not found this recommendation on another forum I might have taken it out on the device).

have you tried using these instructions to create the GRPS connection:
https://onlinecare.cingular.com/dev...ls/KB50502.html

If you have a Cingular SIM, I believe the APN should be wap.cinglar and the user name is WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM.

(I pulled this from another persons post at another forum)


As far as the keyboard goes it is tremendous. There was an earlier right up on the Qtek 9100 not having all of the button back lit; however, I can assure you the one that I received has no issues and the backlighting is excellent. I am able to type easily with only several hours to get used to. WIFI & EDGE seem to be easy to work. I have a Range Rover Sport with Blue Tooth and It hooked up easily the calls are clear.

I am waiting on my IT to get me set up with our corporate e-mail system and will be able to give more info on that later on (I use Domino Lotus Notes).

The 5.0 browser is in my opinion terrific. All I have ever used is the standard Treo 650 browser and this one is by far better (although nascar.com gave it hell).

This device is one-handed for the most part as a phone only.

O.K. I have gone on long enough and besides I want to explore the 9100 a little more. If there are anymore questions feel free to ask me and I will try to respond Friday.


Posted by: duchski

Quote:
Originally Posted by nskgti23
Who cares if you are from Brooklyn, Compton or Bel Aire...

You are openly admitting to commiting FRAUD against cingular...

Either way the 8125 is currently not going to be covered by Cingular's insurance...



Well Brooklyn kind of makes you less naive abour the world.
Just shoot me. Presindents are lying under oath, high profile conservative politicians get indicted on campaing money fraud and you worry about measly few hundred bucks for a new phone now and then. Wake up.
By the way, it is not about Cing's insurance, it is the warranty exchange that gives you the benefit of exchanging the phone. Just say the software hangs up or the phone turn itself off or the screen blinks or whatever...
Have fun and don't be a sucker.


Posted by: Perceptions

Quote:
Originally Posted by duchski
Well Brooklyn kind of makes you less naive abour the world.
Just shoot me. Presindents are lying under oath, high profile conservative politicians get indicted on campaing money fraud and you worry about measly few hundred bucks for a new phone now and then. Wake up.
By the way, it is not about Cing's insurance, it is the warranty exchange that gives you the benefit of exchanging the phone. Just say the software hangs up or the phone turn itself off or the screen blinks or whatever...
Have fun and don't be a sucker.


"Just because they do it means it is ok for me to do it" is a flawed belief.

Nontheless, let us try to get back on track ok?

I really hope the device comes out before Christmas as I am thinking of getting one for the wife. I could not wait so I also went ahead and got the Qtek 9100 from Mad Monkey Boy two weeks ago and have been enjoying the device.

With any new device there are quirks and you guys have to remember that this is a new OS launched to the world.

What I am more concerned is the support after the launch to see if they will keep up with ROM updates. With the Siemens SX66 there was only one ROM update since it launched while the iMate/Qtek versions have sent out over six major updates for the device.


Posted by: sparktography

Quote:
Originally Posted by Perceptions
"Just because they do it means it is ok for me to do it" is a flawed belief.

Nontheless, let us try to get back on track ok?

I really hope the device comes out before Christmas as I am thinking of getting one for the wife. I could not wait so I also went ahead and got the Qtek 9100 from Mad Monkey Boy two weeks ago and have been enjoying the device.

With any new device there are quirks and you guys have to remember that this is a new OS launched to the world.

What I am more concerned is the support after the launch to see if they will keep up with ROM updates. With the Siemens SX66 there was only one ROM update since it launched while the iMate/Qtek versions have sent out over six major updates to the device.


I think that settles it. I'm going to place an order for a Qtek now. If the device does come out next Monday ala Murphy's law then some HoFo people need give me some good karma


Posted by: jeri534

I want this phone damnit

Does anyone know if Cingulars insurance will cover it?


Also, can I just go into a cingular store and buy one when it comes out? Reason I ask is because the account is under my moms name and address and I live in a different state....


Posted by: jlczl

Insurance will not cover it. More than likely it will not be available at the store initially. Online orders and phone orders will most likely be first then retail.


Posted by: jlczl

Quote:
Originally Posted by tremcotexas
Mykee- I had the same problem with my 9100 and EDGE on Cingular. Go to the following link and it explains what you need to do to fix it. You need to have a data plan etc. already in place with Cingular I think. I had the Treo 650 with unlimited data plan etc. (I know its frustrating getting booted off edge; I have a short fuse and if I had not found this recommendation on another forum I might have taken it out on the device).

have you tried using these instructions to create the GRPS connection:
https://onlinecare.cingular.com/dev...ls/KB50502.html


I don't understand how this link helps. Can you explain how this helped you?


Posted by: BlueMovement

Quote:
Originally Posted by Perceptions
Nontheless, let us try to get back on track ok?

I really hope the device comes out before Christmas as I am thinking of getting one for the wife. I could not wait so I also went ahead and got the Qtek 9100 from Mad Monkey Boy two weeks ago and have been enjoying the device.

With any new device there are quirks and you guys have to remember that this is a new OS launched to the world.

What I am more concerned is the support after the launch to see if they will keep up with ROM updates. With the Siemens SX66 there was only one ROM update since it launched while the iMate/Qtek versions have sent out over six major updates for the device.



I’m a little new to this, as I hope the 8125 will be my first smartphone, but would it be possible to overwrite the ROM on the 8125 with the one released for the Qtek or iMate versions?


Posted by: Omega2008

Maybe....They both have the same hardware. However weather other ROMs will work on it has yet to be deterimined.


Posted by: tremcotexas

JLZCL-

Sorry, Wrong Link... Here is the correct one.

https://onlinecare.cingular.com/dev...ls/KB50502.html

I think it is for 2003 mobile; however, not much has changed. When you initially start your phone it works on GPRS; however, I guess about 5 minutes after you have played with it the GPRS starts looking for password etc... Once I followed these instructions it worked great. EDGE is pretty fast in Houston.

Again, processor speed has been said to be an issue. I know with the K-Jam and some of the anti-virius stuff and Skype they said it was slow; the Qtek does not come with these installed so my overall performance has been very good.

I might be a little concerned that the 8125 would come with even more preloaded stuff on it that could effect performance; however, I am not tech savy enough to say that for sure (I am sure someone else on this board could answer that.

I can speak pretty highly for the qtek though.

Cingular reception on the Qtek is much better than I received on the Treo 650. I have four bars inside my office where I never had more than two with the 650.


Posted by: Omega2008

http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...034#post6252034

Looks like advertising for the 2125 is starting to come out. This can only mean that it will be released soon and hopefully...the 8125 will soon follow.


Posted by: nskgti23

And now we know why Cingular's phones are expensive. Too bad they send out refurbs for warranty exchange....

Quote:
Originally Posted by duchski
Well Brooklyn kind of makes you less naive abour the world.
Just shoot me. Presindents are lying under oath, high profile conservative politicians get indicted on campaing money fraud and you worry about measly few hundred bucks for a new phone now and then. Wake up.
By the way, it is not about Cing's insurance, it is the warranty exchange that gives you the benefit of exchanging the phone. Just say the software hangs up or the phone turn itself off or the screen blinks or whatever...
Have fun and don't be a sucker.



Posted by: jlczl

Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueMovement
I’m a little new to this, as I hope the 8125 will be my first smartphone, but would it be possible to overwrite the ROM on the 8125 with the one released for the Qtek or iMate versions?


The K-Jam rom has been successfully installed on a QTek so I believe it won't be too dificult to move it or the QTek's onto the 8125.


Posted by: Perceptions

Quote:
Originally Posted by jlczl
The K-Jam rom has been successfully installed on a QTek so I believe it won't be too dificult to move it or the QTek's onto the 8125.


The only problem is that the 8125 is a different Wizard designation (WIZA100) then the k-Jam/Qtek (WIZA200) which makes me think ROM's will not be compatiable even with hacking.


Posted by: BlueMovement

So what are the major differences between the WIZA200 and the WIZA100? Is the 8125 inferior to its sister products?


Posted by: Perceptions

Hardware wise they seem to be the same with a different casing. However what we do not know is what the software configuration is going to be like. Noone has held a Cingular version Wizard to see what they have done with it.


Posted by: zachavm

Quote:
Originally Posted by nskgti23
And now we know why Cingular's phones are expensive. Too bad they send out refurbs for warranty exchange....


Not to mention why they won't do insurance on pda phones or phones over 300, or whatever the situtation is. I have to say I hevily agree with nskgti23 here. Everyone wants to stick it to the big companies. They think it won't hurt anybody, but it does hurt people. Big companies are still made up of people. That money won't be reflected in some corprate exec's wallet, it will hit us in the prices we pay, or the benifits and wages earned by the employees.

Zach


Posted by: CA

Quote:
Originally Posted by zachavm
Not to mention why they won't do insurance on pda phones or phones over 300, or whatever the situtation is. I have to say I hevily agree with nskgti23 here. Everyone wants to stick it to the big companies. They think it won't hurt anybody, but it does hurt people. Big companies are still made up of people. That money won't be reflected in some corprate exec's wallet, it will hit us in the prices we pay, or the benifits and wages earned by the employees.

Zach
Really, it just looks like they stop their loses by limiting the benefits of customers. I cant see where any employees wages were cut. It seems to me that shareholder profit(taking) affects wages and consumer costs more than a small(or any)percentage of fraud.

As far as wages are concerned I ask you have they been cut? I understand commission compensation have changed, but that is a part of the sales persons deal. Salesmen have always adapted either by playing different cards or moving on.

The internet changed some business models and it looks like that had more effect on some employees than theft.


Posted by: zachavm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonix
Really, it just looks like they stop their loses by limiting the benefits of customers. I cant see where any employees wages were cut. It seems to me that shareholder profit(taking) affects wages and consumer costs more than a small(or any)percentage of fraud.

As far as wages are concerned I ask you have they been cut? I understand commission compensation have changed, but that is a part of the sales persons deal. Salesmen have always adapted either by playing different cards or moving on.

The internet changed some business models and it looks like that had more effect on some employees than theft.


Well, it sounds like you know more about it than I do. I was mainly trying to shoot down the idea that these things don't hurt anybody, because they do. Insurance defrauding is no different than shoplifting. What I said there though shouldn't be taken as specific truths. Rather, I would call it logical conjecture. Hey, I'm an engineering major, not a buisness major.

Zach


Posted by: duchski

Quote:
Originally Posted by zachavm
Well, it sounds like you know more about it than I do. I was mainly trying to shoot down the idea that these things don't hurt anybody, because they do. Insurance defrauding is no different than shoplifting. What I said there though shouldn't be taken as specific truths. Rather, I would call it logical conjecture. Hey, I'm an engineering major, not a buisness major.

Zach


But I am not saying they do not hurt anybody I am saying that I do not care the same way big corporatiosn do not care about consumers.
When CING ovecharged my card they gave me credit. When I asked for a refund they told me no due to some company policy. As a result they hadmy money for a month, interest free. I have more examples from everyday life, different companies, the same motif: we do not care. So I stopped caring myself and take any unfair advantage I can take. Does it hurt Cing ? I do not care. "Sir, you just have to be patient" Patient my a..s. You are not patient when you wait for my payment why should be when you owe me money?


Posted by: zachavm

Quote:
Originally Posted by duchski
But I am not saying they do not hurt anybody I am saying that I do not care the same way big corporatiosn do not care about consumers.
When CING ovecharged my card they gave me credit. When I asked for a refund they told me no due to some company policy. As a result they hadmy money for a month, interest free. I have more examples from everyday life, different companies, the same motif: we do not care. So I stopped caring myself and take any unfair advantage I can take. Does it hurt Cing ? I do not care. "Sir, you just have to be patient" Patient my a..s. You are not patient when you wait for my payment why should be when you owe me money?


Well, I'm not going to argue because you have obviously allready made up your mind. However, and I mean the in nicest and least insulting way possible (if that's possible at all), I have to say something.

The next time you are ripped off, or lose something and it isn't returned and you begin to ask yourself what is wrong with the people out there, direct those questions into a mirror. That's the problem, the selfish and unempathetic attitude of people in our society brings about many of the problems we face. Then others will use this to justify there own actions. Retaliation only leads to more problems. I hope that when I am confronted with such a situation, I can turn the other check.

Anyway, that's it. I won't discuss/it slash insult anyone any furthure. I appologize if I offened you, but it needed to be said.

Zach


Posted by: Mykeee

I don't have a problem connecting to GPRS, it's just that when I lose connection and reestablish it i can't do anything with internet traffic. It'll connect but I can't browse, check email, etc. THis is a known problem and I'm not the only one. Again, it sucks having to restart the phone whenever you need the net.


Posted by: PointZero

Has anyone within Cingular seen this for the 8125 yet?



Folks over at the 2125 thread already got this nice bit of information.


Posted by: CA

Quote:
Originally Posted by zachavm
Well, it sounds like you know more about it than I do. I was mainly trying to shoot down the idea that these things don't hurt anybody, because they do. Insurance defrauding is no different than shoplifting. What I said there though shouldn't be taken as specific truths. Rather, I would call it logical conjecture. Hey, I'm an engineering major, not a buisness major.

Zach
It's been my impression that the ones that steal get what they deserve in the end (or I hope so).

The problem is when stuff happens to them they rationalize and don't think the two can be related. In the end what makes us all different is our attitude(or altitude). However you measure it, success is all about attitude.


Posted by: macallan

Where is the 'OFF TOPIC' police when you need them?


Posted by: TheTrueStar

It doesn't look as if this phone is coming out any sooon since they are releasing another smartphone... ( I may be wrong)


Posted by: Omega2008

The 8125 is a PPC not a Smartphone. I am pretty sure they will be release relitively close to eachother. Hopefully if the 2125 is released first than the 8125 will soon follow.


Posted by: duchski

Quote:
Originally Posted by zachavm
The next time you are ripped off, or lose something and it isn't returned and you begin to ask yourself what is wrong with the people out there, direct those questions into a mirror. That's the problem, the selfish and unempathetic attitude of people in our society brings about many of the problems we face. Then others will use this to justify there own actions. Retaliation only leads to more problems. I hope that when I am confronted with such a situation, I can turn the other check.

Anyway, that's it. I won't discuss/it slash insult anyone any furthure. I appologize if I offened you, but it needed to be said.

Zach


Sorry toeveryone,this is totally off-topic but we do not have anything better to do anyway,waiting for the phones to come...
I do not get offended. Not easily at least. I understand your position and in the ideal world would agree with you 101%...
In the real world though the reality is everyone is trying to ripp you off all the time. Your employer cuts your benefits, your gas company raises rates just like that and you are a sucker to swallow it all?? You do not have a choice.
And it is really painfull when you are ripped off in a nice, legal way. You just did not read the fine print (like you would go to an attorney to get it translated to English every time you sign something), you are being hadon little legal technicality. It is painfull but you have to learn, have to learnto protect yourself and get back. It is not about retaliation, it is about getting even ). I know you guys from Midwest or South were brought up to believe justice prevailes but in the real world it is the the stronger and smarter that prevails. Big corporations have lawyer and spend millions on Everyone can cite examples of being ripped off: warranty, poor customer service, hidden charges , taxes (look at you wireless bill) etc etc. Are you willing to just take it like a sucker? I have no remorse anymore, you have to stand up for your self 'cause nobody else will....
Cing was just taken off BBB in New York by the way. Is this for being fair and just? )
Sorry if you work for them, you are being ripped off more than anybody else ehere...


Posted by: duchski

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonix
It's been my impression that the ones that steal get what they deserve in the end (or I hope so).


Well, iff hat was the case Washington would be wiped off the face of the world instantly ))


Posted by: toyfreak

60 pages now and 57 of them are off-topic BS... (sigh)

EDIT: Make that 61 pages...


Posted by: duchski

Quote:
Originally Posted by toyfreak
60 pages now and 57 of them are off-topic BS... (sigh)

EDIT: Make that 61 pages...



Most of us are really bored with "tomorrow is the REAL releasedate" posts...
There is nothing more to say, we are sitting ducks, waiting for the release to happen and nobody believes in "insider info" that used to be posted here on a daily basis.....


Posted by: Omega2008

Thats nice....be board in the Lounge. The is no need to go off topic. There are plenty of treads about the Wizard 200 series in the PPC forum.


Posted by: duchski

Quote:
Originally Posted by Omega2008
Thats nice....be board in the Lounge. The is no need to go off topic. There are plenty of treads about the Wizard 200 series in the PPC forum.


Omega,

So instead of writing another post off-topic write something on the topic.
Maybe another "confrirmed" release date?


Posted by: sparktography

Quote:
Originally Posted by duchski
Omega,

So instead of writing another post off-topic write something on the topic.
Maybe another "confrirmed" release date?


I get the feeling that if Omega or ASimpleFarmer knew, or could tell us an offical launch date then they would. As frustrating as this waiting game is I think we all get to play it.


Posted by: TheTrueStar

What's the diffrence from this phone and the Treo? Maybe I will just buy the Treo 650...


Posted by: importluva

Quote:
Originally Posted by TheTrueStar
What's the diffrence from this phone and the Treo? Maybe I will just buy the Treo 650...

Windows mobile 5.0 vs Palm OS
Wifi is in the 8125
hardware differences
miniSD vs SD
screen resolution
etc etc lots of differences


Posted by: Omega2008

Instead of asking for information that I do not have or can not give, how about you stay on topic please. 90% of this thread is bogus information that has been mentioned already in the PPC forum. So I ask, please stop junking up this thread with redundant or irrelevent posts. That way people can get information on when its released, how much it costs, and what features it has. Thanks.


Posted by: ASimpleFarmer

hopefully more info when i get back to work tomorrow.


Posted by: WebbyBabe

Quote:
Originally Posted by importluva
Windows mobile 5.0 vs Palm OS
Wifi is in the 8125
hardware differences
miniSD vs SD
screen resolution
etc etc lots of differences


Which one has an SD Card?


Posted by: sparktography

Quote:
Originally Posted by WebbyBabe
Which one has an SD Card?

The Treo 650 has an SD slot, the Wizard has a Mini-SD slot.


Posted by: importluva

Quote:
Originally Posted by Omega2008
Instead of asking for information that I do not have or can not give, how about you stay on topic please. 90% of this thread is bogus information that has been mentioned already in the PPC forum. So I ask, please stop junking up this thread with redundant or irrelevent posts. That way people can get information on when its released, how much it costs, and what features it has. Thanks.

at 900+ posts, it might be time to just start a new thread when new information surfaces.


Posted by: WebbyBabe

Quote:
Originally Posted by sparktography
The Treo 650 has an SD slot, the Wizard has a Mini-SD slot.


Oh, I thought the qtek qizard has a sd slot. thanks for the info


Posted by: Omega2008

None of the Wizard classes have a SD card, all are mini-SD


Posted by: iJITSU

Quote:
Originally Posted by duchski
Well, iff hat was the case Washington would be wiped off the face of the world instantly ))


along with every other government in the world.


Posted by: duchski

Quote:
Originally Posted by iJITSU
along with every other government in the world.



Amen to that.


Posted by: duchski

Quote:
Originally Posted by importluva
at 900+ posts, it might be time to just start a new thread when new information surfaces.



I thought we learned one thing, there is no new information, just speculation.
The phone will definetely be out but we will learn about when it is actually out.


Posted by: Jakaroe808

I guess that is all it has come down to


Posted by: Omega2008

Man its looking like it maybe the end of Dec or the begianing of Jan before it comes out. Oh well....I went and spent my money on christmas gifts now. So I would have to wait anyways. (not really, I have a secret stash but don't tell my gf, hahaha).


Posted by: Jakaroe808

Het Omega, I asked you over in the 2125 thread but wasnt sure how active you were in there. Are you still in any kind of contact with Supernub?


Posted by: Omega2008

Yes I do have the ablity to contact him.


Posted by: Jakaroe808

I just thought he may have a few opinions about the the release date. I dont want to pry the issue, not that he would really know more than we do.


Posted by: rsxy

Looks like it'll be out before Christmas if this is any indication.

http://www.smartphonethoughts.com/f...cbb1ab598a56126


Posted by: smcassara

they've (2125 & 8125) been on the rebate for a month now


Posted by: Jakaroe808

I remember hearing about that rebate some time ago. It may have been in regards to the original release date, before it got pushed back, but we can hope and pray.


Posted by: Perceptions

Remember a few months ago when someone had spotted Cingular in store ads for the HP 6515 in August? The phone did not launch until late October. I really hope that this is not the case with this phone.


Posted by: Docsalvo

Excuse me if this is off topic or "politically incorrect" to mention...but I have read multiple posts about these rebates... I am on with cingular, and activated my service thru letstalk.com....since wanting to upgrade my phone/service I have watched for the new HP to arrive (on cinglular and letstalk website)....and now the 8125....this website charges either as much as cingular with rebates or average 50 -100 dollars cheaper than cingular. Just a thought.


Posted by: importluva

Quote:
Originally Posted by Docsalvo
Excuse me if this is off topic or "politically incorrect" to mention...but I have read multiple posts about these rebates... I am on with cingular, and activated my service thru letstalk.com....since wanting to upgrade my phone/service I have watched for the new HP to arrive (on cinglular and letstalk website)....and now the 8125....this website charges either as much as cingular with rebates or average 50 -100 dollars cheaper than cingular. Just a thought.

I can't even decipher what you're saying, but this isn't really the thread to ask this question.


Posted by: importluva

Quote:
Originally Posted by Perceptions
Remember a few months ago when someone had spotted Cingular in store ads for the HP 6515 in August? The phone did not launch until late October. I really hope that this is not the case with this phone.

I believe HP had some "issues" with the 6515 that delayed its official release after the announcement.


Posted by: mbranscum

Quote:
Originally Posted by importluva
I believe HP had some "issues" with the 6515 that delayed its official release after the announcement.


That is correct


Posted by: Perceptions

Quote:
Originally Posted by importluva
I believe HP had some "issues" with the 6515 that delayed its official release after the announcement.

I think its the same problem we are having now with the 8125 as IHAP vaguely posted.


Posted by: nskgti23

Quote:
Originally Posted by Perceptions
I think its the same problem we are having now with the 8125 as IHAP vaguely posted.



They are not the same issues... Just some issues in the final release code...


Posted by: Jakaroe808

I hope so. I think we will be seeing this little puppy in the near future. (Knocked on wood, twice)


Posted by: diadjika

any news today ??


Posted by: PointZero

I've been hearing more people say January 6th to be the release date.


Posted by: cpgarcia

I followed with my friend at Cingular who I asked two weeks ago about the 8125. The manager was in today when I visited and said he would contact someone in "Data" to find out the release. As I was walking out the door he said he got a reply and that the 8125 was set for release on Jan. 6th. There was no questions about what I was talking about etc. So.. take that for what its worth.. Jan 6th ...


Posted by: Its_Smee

Quote:
Originally Posted by cpgarcia
I followed with my friend at Cingular who I asked two weeks ago about the 8125. The manager was in today when I visited and said he would contact someone in "Data" to find out the release. As I was walking out the door he said he got a reply and that the 8125 was set for release on Jan. 6th. There was no questions about what I was talking about etc. So.. take that for what its worth.. Jan 6th ...


Damn and I was hoping to have it as a Christmas gift, oh well its only a couple week wait from then. I would rather it be released right, than have issues like the Mpx220 did (although I didn't have too many with mine). Hopefully the 2GB 120X miniSD's will be out by then, which should help lower the cost of the 1GB models.


Posted by: Jakaroe808

I'm ok with Jan. 6th. It makes me feel good to hear that we have a date to talk about again.


Posted by: jlczl

Not that I want you patient people to wait TOO long, but that date (Jan. 6th) pleases me because it makes my $550* investment in the QTek 9100 easier to swallow. $100 premium for a 3 month advance on a product (plus it's unlocked and unbranded) is a pretty good deal to me.

*Cingular gave me a $150 hardware credit for having to buy my own equipment (didn't renew contract for this deal either).


Posted by: McCarron

Quote:
Originally Posted by jlczl
*Cingular gave me a $150 hardware credit for having to buy my own equipment (didn't renew contract for this deal either).


How does that work? I was thinking of going that route of buying a Q-Tek and using my friends old GSM phone in the meantime and switch my number over to Cingular.


Posted by: CrazyKaks

i work and Exclusive Agent and we are capable of ordering the phone Dec. 3rd. Cause that is when i'm ordering mine.


Posted by: orion2087

Quote:
Originally Posted by CrazyKaks
i work and Exclusive Agent and we are capable of ordering the phone Dec. 3rd. Cause that is when i'm ordering mine.


What do you mean by ordering, ordering in bulk or making customer orders?


Posted by: jlczl

Quote:
Originally Posted by McCarron
How does that work? I was thinking of going that route of buying a Q-Tek and using my friends old GSM phone in the meantime and switch my number over to Cingular.


I have several lines of service with them and many are out of contract. I called their retention team and threatened to move to Sprint (ppc 6700) due to there lack of comparable equipment. After a little back and forth of how to keep my business I mentioned the possibility of importing the QTek and getting a service credit from them. They agreed to a $150 credit if I faxed them a receipt of my QTek purchase.


Posted by: jeasher

Actually, that's more like only a $50 premium. You pay tax on that Qtek? How much is the data plan they stuck you with?


Posted by: jlczl

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeasher
Actually, that's more like only a $50 premium. You pay tax on that Qtek? How much is the data plan they stuck you with?


I already had the old MediaWorks that is unlimited internet, tons of sms and mms for $19.99.


Posted by: jeasher

Quote:
Originally Posted by jlczl
I already had the old MediaWorks that is unlimited internet, tons of sms and mms for $19.99.

Good to know they didn't make you switch to their new $40 PDA data plan. I'm also on the unlimited $19.99 plan and want to keep it that way.


Posted by: myke

What is an Exclusive Agent? If youre ordering yours on Dec 3rd when do you plan on recieving it?
Quote:
Originally Posted by CrazyKaks
i work and Exclusive Agent and we are capable of ordering the phone Dec. 3rd. Cause that is when i'm ordering mine.



Posted by: suavebaby

The Sony Ericsson W600i came out today... Please let the 8125 will be next...


Posted by: suavebaby

I have the 19.99 unlimited data plan also... Hopefully Cingular updated systems can not detect the IEM # of the 8125. If so then they will know that we will using the 19.99 smart phone unlimted data plan instead of the $40 PDA data plan, then they will force us to switch over to the hi azz data plan according to a cingular tech.

If that is the case... here is a simple hack... Get a Bluetooth Edge phone (Nokia 6230 or Motorola V551. etc) and the 19.99 Mediawork, put in the sim card that way the IEM of one of those phone on the will register on the network. Then connect the 8125 and or your Laptop to the Nokia 6230 or V551 via bluetooth and use the unlimited Edge network for 19.99.... All the data u want... Unlimited BABY!!!


Posted by: jeasher

Quote:
Originally Posted by suavebaby
If that is the case... here is a simple hack... Get a Bluetooth Edge phone (Nokia 6230 or Motorola V551. etc) and the 19.99 Mediawork, put in the sim card that way the IEM of one of those phone on the will register on the network. Then connect the 8125 and or your Laptop to the Nokia 6230 or V551 via bluetooth and use the unlimited Edge network for 19.99.... All the data u want... Unlimited BABY!!!

Did you come up with that "hack" all by yourself? If I wanted two devices I would keep my current setup.


Posted by: smcassara

better yet, add cingular's $19.99 unlimited medianet w/ xpress mail that is also coming out. there's a blurb about it in this pic for the 2125. this will work too, and that way you'll be all honest and not be cheating the system and can get some sleep at nite for not being a crook.



thanks,


Posted by: Quatre

how the eff am I paying 24.99 then for unlimited inet and its supposed to be more then that even. Also paying extra for separate sms and mms as that isn't included in the unlimited data plans.

I went over on mms on that line and went over on kb usage on my other line that only has the media basic with limited inet but more sms and mms included. ugh.

found out that when I got Media net unlimited in April it was 24.99/mo. Not sure when it changed, but definately sometime soon after that so I paid 5 more a month for 8 months, so $40 more total then i should have and they aren't refunding it. got a super rude mean black lady on customer service too.

No other way to really lower my bill right now, just have to remember to use inet mostly only on the sim with unlimited and use more mms on the other sim which has 20 more mms. And not making any directory assistance calls would help too. Just sucks I had to pay a $150 cingular bill this past month especially considering the 5 more per month on the media net unlimited. And even if i did put that sim in my treo 650 i dont wnat to hear that its supposed to be 40/mo because that is rediculous and especially not even close to worth it on the treo with slow blazer browser.

If sprint charges 15/mo for unlimited evdo on ppc6700 with fast wm5 and pie then cingular should only charge 10 for unlimited edge and especially if only using a treo 650 with slow blazer browser.


Posted by: zachavm

That poster there is the second place I have seen say that the 2125 will have mobile office app reading abilities. I know that the smartphone os doesn't have that built in, but maybe cingular is adding it to it so as to get some of the buisness folks to pick it up. Just a thought.

Zach


Posted by: smcassara

not really a poster, it's an 8.5x11... i'm just a good photographer. it was my impression that Office Mobile was embedded in WM5.

thanks,


Posted by: Omega2008

Office Mobile is the new office suit on WM5 devices, both PPC's and Smartphones will have it. Of course the PPC versions will be more functional.


Posted by: Omega2008

Many people use the 19.99 media net package with their PPC phones.....Cingular doesn't really care...as long as you don't use like 100mb a month.....if you keep the same data usage your using now on your smartphone or just a little more, they really are not going to care.


Posted by: jeasher

Quote:
Originally Posted by Omega2008
Many people use the 19.99 media net package with their PPC phones.....Cingular doesn't really care...as long as you don't use like 100mb a month.....if you keep the same data usage your using now on your smartphone or just a little more, they really are not going to care.

I have the 19.99 package and I tether, using an average of 61.8mb over the last six months. They haven't said a thing.


Posted by: gacajun

Quote:
Originally Posted by Omega2008
Many people use the 19.99 media net package with their PPC phones.....Cingular doesn't really care...as long as you don't use like 100mb a month.....if you keep the same data usage your using now on your smartphone or just a little more, they really are not going to care.


......writing this quote in my book of truths. I hope you are right on that one Omega!!

I just ordered an SP5 from MMB...when I get it I'll start testing the limits of your theorum as quoted above!!


Posted by: Omega2008

I use about 40mb a month and never got hit with overages. I sometimes use more sometimes less. So when I get the 8125, as long as i don't start using like 100mb or more a month Cingular won't know or care that I am not on a PDA plan.

By the way the SP5 is a smartphone...so the 19.99 media works plan is for Smartphones. Not PPC's but like I said....if you don't use alot of data...Cingular won't know or care. Thats the trend I see with alot of people who have PDA's and the 19.99 media works package.


Posted by: Quatre

ok got the $40 credited back for the 8 mo i was paying $5 more then i should have and just found out that media basic for my other line should include 1mb of inet not 512 like i had, so I'll be credit $2.80 for the over 512kb usage charge i got since i was still under 1mb. Cool, kudos to cingular customer service, although it really depends who you get.

Also don't need to have the 69.99 1100 min plan or higher to get 2nd line for 9.99 so i was thinking dropping to the 59.99/mo for 700 min but thats a big min drop for only 10/mo less and I'd lose a ton of rollover min. I dont seem to use as much min as i used to but rather more text and data so I'll think about it.

Paying 150/mo for 2 lines on cing that mostly only I use, was rediculous so glad got some things straightened out especially since its costs me $20/mo just to have a phone for voice in calling on vzw even if my wife pays it because she refuses to have a vzw plan that makes 2nd line free.

Although 19.99 for unlimited edge and no wm5 apache equivalent phone out yet while sprint has theirs and only charges 15/mo for unlim evdo isn't the greatest. I think Sprint did now raise theirs to 19.99/mo as well and sprint just doesnt' make sense for me especially when i have a refund coming on for vzw.

But the 19.99/mo for unlimited edge on the Cing Wizard 8125 is tempting now over $40/mo for data on vzw with the xv6700 which I was pretty set on after trying out the ppc6700 on sprint and not having ev signal with them at home while i know vzw does plus the other factors why it just doesn't work/make sense for me to have sprint no matter much cheaper it is or how much sooner they have the phone out.

Regardless i think i'm back to just leaving it up to whichever phone comes out first I will get, 8125 or xv6700.

Problem is with the latest Jan. 6 date for the 8125 is that the xv6700 is slated for before christmas along with the cdma razr for vzw so it may still beat it out.


Posted by: zachavm

Sorry Quatre, this post just isn't up to your usual stadards. I think it needs to be about three times as long to truely be up to snuff.

jk man

Zach


Posted by: Jakaroe808

I know I'm going to have to be careful when I get my hands on my 8125. I would be curious to see how much bandwidth I’ve been using recently. I know it has to be insane since I’ve had it tethered. I know it will be worse when I have a little more speed to play with. I think I'm going to reinstall my GPRS monitor and see what kind of damage I can do.


Posted by: Jakaroe808

Well, over in the 2125 thread 2 people claimed they both talked to Cingular reps and both said the 2125 and 8125 are officially in the system, but no stock yet. Can anyone guess the time frame based on this information?


Posted by: wookiee2cu

Just phoned two differnt Cingular stores in the Seattle area (specifically Redmond). First store had no idea of what I was talking about. Second store said that they are getting two devices by HTC but neither are in stock yet and the rep. didn't have an arival date but he suspects very soon.


Posted by: suavebaby

A link to Cingular data plan diagram for the goverment (Consumer plans are a little cheaper but are very close in price.) https://www.cingular.com/government/data_connect


Posted by: Jakaroe808

Its begining to look alot like christmas


Posted by: myke

everywhere we go


Posted by: MikeK2

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakaroe808
Well, over in the 2125 thread 2 people claimed they both talked to Cingular reps and both said the 2125 and 8125 are officially in the system, but no stock yet. Can anyone guess the time frame based on this information?


So where are the Cingular insiders to poo-poo this one? No offense to them, but I'm rather scarred by all the build up and let down at this point.

Mike


Posted by: Omega2008

I am not saying anyhing..........it will be out when its out.


Posted by: nskgti23

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeK2
So where are the Cingular insiders to poo-poo this one? No offense to them, but I'm rather scarred by all the build up and let down at this point.

Mike



Get over it....

Products have minor delays all the time... These devices official launch dates have NEVER been posted. Every date that has been posted was from a few documents that insiders have come to believe suggest the "launch dates"... Often times those dates are just technical acceptence dates which are fairly flexible...


Posted by: jeasher

If I'm not mistaken, this is exactly why the release date has never been publicized. Maybe Cingular does know what they're doing by choosing not to promote something.


Posted by: myke

All Your Base Are Belong To Cingular!


Posted by: jlczl

Quote:
Originally Posted by myke
All Your Base Are Belong To Cingular!


???????????????


Posted by: orion2087

Quote:
Originally Posted by myke
All Your Base Are Belong To Cingular!


::raises his hand to be the first one to get that reference::

haha...


Posted by: WebbyBabe

Quote:
Originally Posted by myke
All Your Base Are Belong To Cingular!


Good one.


Posted by: Madhatter73

Bah, new Blackberry and SE Walkman on the website... still no 8125


Posted by: Jakaroe808

Its nice to see that new handsets are showing up. Lets see what the next few days bring.


Posted by: musthaveit

Quatre,

Are you also going to buy a T-Mobile version? I find it funny / sad that you spout to have all these phones and different carriers, yet whine about a $5 over charge.

Hello, McFly,,,,,,,, what about dropping most of your carriers, and then sticking with one phone and one plan you can afford?????? Oh wait,,, that wouldn't be cool right?

Go ahead and respond with another 5 page run on sentence, incoherent, self promoting, bloviating banter.
blah, blah, blah.

Sorry guys, but this "Q-ball" !@#$%

OK time to ignore right?

I heard from a corporate store manager in Chicago, that the 19th is the date. He said that with a smile and that is all he could say. If it comes out before the xv6700 at Verizon,,,,, Cingular here I come.

Q,,,, my response ahead of your reply to this is,,,,,,,,,,,,,

BITE ME!!!!!!!!


Posted by: zachavm

Okay, that just ain't cool. Have your coffee then post. It works out much better that way

Zach

P.S. I think you used commas where you meant to use periods.


Posted by: musthaveit

Zach,

I know it wasn't cool. I had my coffee. Do a google seearch on Mr. Q and his personal attacks my way. you may just see my rationale for retaliation. The comma use was by design to emulate Quatre square pants.

For offending you zach, I am sorry.

Peace out


Back to the 8125 discussion. I hope the 19th is legit!


Posted by: suavebaby

Some howard forums members posted that cingular will or has restricted the 19.99 Media work package to slow speed than the PDA Data Plan. (But by applying the hack that I posted earlier let me surf at 115K using my laptop connect via bluetooth to a Nokia 6230 Edge phone using the 19.99 unlimited plan without paying for the hi laptop dataplan. )

http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...light=mediawork


Posted by: barky81

Well, they have dragged this out far enough that now I am going to have a problem:

The 8125 will have to release WITH AKU 2.0 already integrated (rather than pending a future firmware upgrade).

Since 'push email' is a primary requirement, any device we select will have to support it. Unfortunately, the 8125 has delayed to the point that it would be foolish to pay it without the feature, since Q1 '06 devices will have included at release.

Do any "in the knows" "know" whether the 8125 is currently being updated prior to launch?

(AKU 2.0 is the "MSFP" (plus other features) released to carriers and device makers...)


Posted by: zachavm

Quote:
Originally Posted by musthaveit
Zach,

I know it wasn't cool. I had my coffee. Do a google seearch on Mr. Q and his personal attacks my way. you may just see my rationale for retaliation. The comma use was by design to emulate Quatre square pants.

For offending you zach, I am sorry.

Peace out


Back to the 8125 discussion. I hope the 19th is legit!


You didn't offend me, I just like to help keep it light hearted in the forums (hence the coffee joke). Thanks for the appology though. Hope you guys can work it.

Zach


Posted by: exchguy

Quote:
Originally Posted by barky81
Well, they have dragged this out far enough that now I am going to have a problem:

The 8125 will have to release WITH AKU 2.0 already integrated (rather than pending a future firmware upgrade).

Since 'push email' is a primary requirement, any device we select will have to support it. Unfortunately, the 8125 has delayed to the point that it would be foolish to pay it without the feature, since Q1 '06 devices will have included at release.

Do any "in the knows" "know" whether the 8125 is currently being updated prior to launch?

(AKU 2.0 is the "MSFP" (plus other features) released to carriers and device makers...)

I would hope that if the 8125 is being pushed out due to issues, etc and we are basically looking at late Dec-early Jan, it would be a real negative not to have it ship with AKU 2.0/MSFP already applied and then have to wait/speculate as to when and if they will provide a post-release ROM upgrade with it. As we all know, carrier history with any kinds of ROM upgrades has been virtually non-existant (exception being the origional Siemens SX56 on ATTWS) due to the fact that carriers do not want to be in the business of supporting software upgrades on these devices once they are shipped.


Posted by: dstrauss

Quote:
Originally Posted by exchguy
I would hope that if the 8125 is being pushed out due to issues, etc and we are basically looking at late Dec-early Jan, it would be a real negative not to have it ship with AKU 2.0/MSFP already applied and then have to wait/speculate as to when and if they will provide a post-release ROM upgrade with it. As we all know, carrier history with any kinds of ROM upgrades has been virtually non-existant (exception being the origional Siemens SX56 on ATTWS) due to the fact that carriers do not want to be in the business of supporting software upgrades on these devices once they are shipped.


Amen. On my old Treo 650, Cingular was MONTHS behind Sprint in providing ROM updares - in fact, they just pushed the real one out the door to fix voice quality, email, etc. (a couple of months ago the released a lite version that fixed a few things), and that phone first appeared LAST November.


Posted by: Crossblade

Cingular's version of HTC Tornado scores FCC approval

Quote:
Originally Posted by Phonearena.com
FCC just revealed information about version of the HTC Tornado which should be heading to Cingular. The phone lacks music-dedicated keys of the other versions, and looks as the earlier leaked Cingular 2100 device. Neither the manual of the device nor the images of it show any evidence of Wi-Fi, which means that the final device shouldn't have it, which confirms the rumors.




See the story from the
Source: Phonearena.com


Posted by: CA

I guess no WiFi


Posted by: nitroxeno

Hey eveyone... Just thought I would give eveyone who is waiting a little teaser pic... Look what I got to play with.....




Posted by: ale_ers

Quote:
Originally Posted by nitroxeno
Hey eveyone... Just thought I would give eveyone who is waiting a little teaser pic... Look what I got to play with.....



Ok, you are officially Killing me! I guess you work for Cingular, is there anyway you can give us an idea of release? Judging by past experience, your best guess or anything better than the tea leaves we seem to be working with.


Posted by: Biochemlab

we hate you...

j/k


Posted by: nskgti23

The Wizard will be out before the end of the year... It will be sooner than later. I can't give specifics, but I was assured it would be before year end....

Quote:
Originally Posted by exchguy
I would hope that if the 8125 is being pushed out due to issues, etc and we are basically looking at late Dec-early Jan, it would be a real negative not to have it ship with AKU 2.0/MSFP already applied and then have to wait/speculate as to when and if they will provide a post-release ROM upgrade with it. As we all know, carrier history with any kinds of ROM upgrades has been virtually non-existant (exception being the origional Siemens SX56 on ATTWS) due to the fact that carriers do not want to be in the business of supporting software upgrades on these devices once they are shipped.



Pos