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The old HTC/Cingular 8100 & 8125 smartphone thread

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Posted by: myke

or this at their site:

http://www.pcmall.com/pcmall/shop/d...dpno~698828.asp


Posted by: Jakaroe808

Well that is very interesting.. So, I'm guesing if you buy it, they will send it out when it is in stock. I may just go ahead then. $502.94 looks like a good price to me.


Posted by: TreoBangla

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeasher
What about this at sister site eCost:
http://www.ecost.com/ecost/ecsplash...dpno~641936.asp

Just called E cost, they will have it in stock in approximately 2-3 weeks and PCMALL said they have to order it through Cingular and ETA is less than 2 weeks.


Posted by: RulinSmoove

Quote:
Originally Posted by TreoBangla
Just called E cost, they will have it in stock in approximately 2-3 weeks and PCMALL said they have to order it through Cingular and ETA is less than 2 weeks.


the 19th


Posted by: myke

i called ecost, they said it is on backorder (which means they dont know a lot about it) and they were not sure when they'd get it. pcmall said they didnt know because it wasnt a popular item, but I'd have to order it and then id probably have to wait 2 to 3 weeks before it gets sent to me because thats what it normally takes with things that arent out yet. so I asked when it would actually be on sale and he said "i just told you".

dont order anything from either of those sites unless its on sale now and they have it in stock.


Posted by: CA

Quote:
Originally Posted by myke
i called ecost, they said it is on backorder (which means they dont know a lot about it) and they were not sure when they'd get it. pcmall said they didnt know because it wasnt a popular item, but I'd have to order it and then id probably have to wait 2 to 3 weeks before it gets sent to me because thats what it normally takes with things that arent out yet. so I asked when it would actually be on sale and he said "i just told you".

dont order anything from either of those sites unless its on sale now and they have it in stock.
Did you expect a different answer?

I'm taking pre orders on the new Motorola U send me you CC# and I'll get back to you.


Posted by: myke

4359 2389 2039 1209 exp: 12/09

cvs: 360

Sweet Motorolla U for me!!!


Posted by: kjoiner

she has been pretty reliable in the last 2 years of biz with her as my rep. i have already ordered it thru them so she is keeping an eye on it for me.


Posted by: Laxplayer

Not to take this to far off topic. But does anyone know of a good GPS package that *should* work with the 8125??? This is going to be one of my first purchases for the precious.


Posted by: jmj3p

They just took the Audiovox SMT5600 off the cingular website today, so maybe we'll see the 2125 and 8125 go up soon


Posted by: gordonp3

Do the screen protectors and power accessories for the kjam work on the 8125 as well?


Posted by: kjoiner

Quote:
Originally Posted by Laxplayer
Not to take this to far off topic. But does anyone know of a good GPS package that *should* work with the 8125??? This is going to be one of my first purchases for the precious.


i am using the iogear bluetooth gps unit with pharos navigator on the jasjar and it works great! I would think it should work on the 8125 also.


Posted by: fowen

Quote:
Originally Posted by gordonp3
Do the screen protectors and power accessories for the kjam work on the 8125 as well?

The K-JAM is the exact same device (minus the plastic housing) as the 8125. I didn't see the 8125 on the JAVOEdge site so I sent them and email asking if the ones for the "JAM" would work for the 8125. They looked at the specs and said the screen size should be the same so the screen protectors should work. They just said to "size it up" before installing so if they aren't right I can return them.

What power accessories are you asking about?


Posted by: dcdr76

Quote:
Originally Posted by myke
4359 2389 2039 1209 exp: 12/09

cvs: 360

Sweet Motorolla U for me!!!


hey, why are you using my credit card #?!!!

it would be funny if the 8125 doesn't come out at all. US carriers are frustrating. Do European and Asian carriers take as much time testing new phones or the US carriers are just that slow and inefficient?


Posted by: vpathak

Just spoke to Cingular rep...and told him that I see 8125 on pcmall...but I'd need to purchase it through Cingular. Here is what he told me. He does show the Cingular HTC 8125 in the system...but he does not see a date. The only tentative date (in the comments section) he sees is 4th quarter of 2005. That could mean in the next few weeks)

However, it should be taken with a grain of salt. He said he'd seen many such phones come and go...and even though they "show" up on the system...they never get released at all.

Take it for what its worth!


Posted by: CA

Quote:
Originally Posted by vpathak
Just spoke to Cingular rep...and told him that I see 8125 on pcmall...but I'd need to purchase it through Cingular. Here is what he told me. He does show the Cingular HTC 8125 in the system...but he does not see a date. The only tentative date (in the comments section) he sees is 4th quarter of 2005. That could mean in the next few weeks)

However, it should be taken with a grain of salt. He said he'd seen many such phones come and go...and even though they "show" up on the system...they never get released at all.

Take it for what its worth!
It's worth a sale today instead of a maybe tomorrow

Sales 101


Posted by: Mykeee

Quote:
Originally Posted by scott brown
without making us look at the numerous posts in the PPC forums, can you give any more info here about the gprs bug?


I can browse the net, receive email and get on agile messenger just fine in the morning and then log off and go on about my ways. At lunch I'll try to check my email again and browse the web but nothing, full service, connection established to gprs but still, nothing, it's like I'm not even connected. I'd have to do a soft reset before being able to do anything via gprs again. Then I'd have to do this all over at night or whenever I want to check my email, or anything via gprs. The WiFi, I haven't been able to connect to my home Wireless network, nor the network at my gf's house, or at any hotspot starbucks shops. I've connected to my neighbors wifi network but it was real intermittent, I'd rather use Edge.


Posted by: kjoiner

Everything should be taken with a grain of salt when coming from a sales rep, hence there job is to sell. When i spoke to the B2B rep he said the trainer the trainer had one last week so they at least have it. LOL. that is a good sign for cingular in comparison to what has happened to some really good phones they did not release. He is telling me within a week. Then my rep at pcmall says they are going to receive them on the 9th. Nothing solid but alot of pointers to soon. They would be even bigger fools if they did not get the 8125 out in time for christmas.

And on the you must by the phone from cingular. LOL. this is my third PDA from PCMall. I have never bought one from cingular.


Posted by: hesh

What is this phone listed as on pcmall?


Posted by: Omega2008

http://www.pcmall.com/pcmall/shop/d...dpno~698828.asp


Posted by: jeasher

I just got my Qtek 9100 today so the 8125 is bound to be out very soon.


Posted by: Omega2008

The Qtek 9100 has been out for a while now...plus its a different series than the 8125 and has nothing to do with the release of the 8125 nor does it have anything to do with the proximity of the release date of the 8125.


Posted by: Madhatter73

Quote:
Originally Posted by Omega2008
The Qtek 9100 has been out for a while now...plus its a different series than the 8125 and has nothing to do with the release of the 8125 nor does it have anything to do with the proximity of the release date of the 8125.


I think he going by the "an hour after I wash my car a bird'll take a dump" philosophy...


Posted by: Omega2008

Pretty much............


Posted by: kjoiner

Quote:
Originally Posted by kjoiner
Everything should be taken with a grain of salt when coming from a sales rep, hence there job is to sell. When i spoke to the B2B rep he said the trainer the trainer had one last week so they at least have it. LOL. that is a good sign for cingular in comparison to what has happened to some really good phones they did not release. He is telling me within a week. Then my rep at pcmall says they are going to receive them on the 9th. Nothing solid but alot of pointers to soon. They would be even bigger fools if they did not get the 8125 out in time for christmas.

And on the you must by the phone from cingular. LOL. this is my third PDA from PCMall. I have never bought one from cingular.


i meant pda phone sorry.


Posted by: jlczl

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mykeee
I can browse the net, receive email and get on agile messenger just fine in the morning and then log off and go on about my ways. At lunch I'll try to check my email again and browse the web but nothing, full service, connection established to gprs but still, nothing, it's like I'm not even connected. I'd have to do a soft reset before being able to do anything via gprs again. Then I'd have to do this all over at night or whenever I want to check my email, or anything via gprs. The WiFi, I haven't been able to connect to my home Wireless network, nor the network at my gf's house, or at any hotspot starbucks shops. I've connected to my neighbors wifi network but it was real intermittent, I'd rather use Edge.


Make sure activesync has been conmpletely closed by checking running programs. If it is, shut it down. That should fix your problem. As far as your wi-fi problem, I'm not sure what's going on. Mine works fine.


Posted by: jlczl

Quote:
Originally Posted by kjoiner
she has been pretty reliable in the last 2 years of biz with her as my rep. i have already ordered it thru them so she is keeping an eye on it for me.


Is the price quoted without contract and without a data plan?


Posted by: kjoiner

Quote:
Originally Posted by jlczl
Is the price quoted without contract and without a data plan?

yes. it is just for the device. no contract.


Posted by: jeasher

Quote:
Originally Posted by Omega2008
The Qtek 9100 has been out for a while now...plus its a different series than the 8125 and has nothing to do with the release of the 8125 nor does it have anything to do with the proximity of the release date of the 8125.

I know. The way I wrote it was the same as saying that when I buy a stock, word hits the street that Asher bought in and it's time to dump the stock. You better hope I sell because when I do, it's champagne and caviar for everyone. Now I stick to mutual funds.


Posted by: zachavm

I've got an idea that I am a little nervous about. I am really wanting the 8125, but if the 2125 is coming out first, I might want to give it a try. I am currently on sprint and I have been waiting to switch to cingular for what seems like forever. I doubt I would keep the 2125 if I got it, but I am tired of waiting. Also, it would be nice to actually have coverage for my christmas drive from oklahoma city to denver (sprint is roaming for much of it). Do you guys think this is dangerous to try the 30-day thing? Is it imoral to do it when you are pretty much certain you will exchange it? Let me know what you think. You can PM me if you don't want to clutter up the thread.

Zach


Posted by: jeasher

Quote:
Originally Posted by zachavm
Do you guys think this is dangerous to try the 30-day thing? Is it imoral to do it when you are pretty much certain you will exchange it? Let me know what you think. You can PM me if you don't want to clutter up the thread.

Only you can say if it's immoral or not. If you know you want that form factor, I'd wait for the 8125 or get the Qtek 9100 now.


Posted by: zachavm

on the immoral question, I am not entirely comfortable with it, but I am wanting to get others opinions. However, I will not consider any "they screw me, so it's okay" arguments.

Zach


Posted by: myke

Well you gotta figure that they screw us, so I'd say its okay.


Posted by: stillrockin

Quote:
Originally Posted by zachavm
I've got an idea that I am a little nervous about. I am really wanting the 8125, but if the 2125 is coming out first, I might want to give it a try. I am currently on sprint and I have been waiting to switch to cingular for what seems like forever. I doubt I would keep the 2125 if I got it, but I am tired of waiting. Also, it would be nice to actually have coverage for my christmas drive from oklahoma city to denver (sprint is roaming for much of it). Do you guys think this is dangerous to try the 30-day thing? Is it imoral to do it when you are pretty much certain you will exchange it? Let me know what you think. You can PM me if you don't want to clutter up the thread.

Zach


Well, if you truely do wish to test drive the 2125, and you tell them that you are thinking about holding out for the 8125, but thought you would go ahead and make the plunge, I would think that morally, you are doing nothing wrong. Part of the justification is for Cingular service vs Sprint . . . . However, there is no promise that at the end of 30 days, the 8125 is going to be widely available. Just following this thread should tell us, that it gets here, when it gets here . . . . .


Posted by: grifflax

Quote:
Originally Posted by stillrockin
Well, if you truely do wish to test drive the 2125, and you tell them that you are thinking about holding out for the 8125, but thought you would go ahead and make the plunge, I would think that morally, you are doing nothing wrong. Part of the justification is for Cingular service vs Sprint . . . . However, there is no promise that at the end of 30 days, the 8125 is going to be widely available. Just following this thread should tell us, that it gets here, when it gets here . . . . .


This is a very good point. I work at a Cingular Corporate store and as much as we stress that customers have thirty days to like the phone they pick (and switch to another if not) we try and adhere to the 30 day rule. Now you could make friends with the sales rep because me, I'm not going to bust balls if your walking in on day 35 to switch phones. Just let the sales rep know initially that is what your hoping to do. And if the 8125 doesnt appear in 30 days you could cancel the line without penalty and hold off until it does come. Forget about morality. Just get the toy and play with it. This is America, land of the consumer and his rights.


Posted by: scott brown

i see everyone talknig about the 9100. which is the better unit, the 9100 or the k-jam? i ask because i see everyone selling the k-jam for more money, yet people only seem to be talking about the 9100 in this thread...


Posted by: BlueMovement

I would also like some information on this but even a bit more. Is there a wizard currently on the market under any brand that is superior to the others? If there is another thread for this I apologize for placing this post here and would ask to be pointed to the right area.


Posted by: jetli

Some very interesting benchmark results on this site for the Wizard (labelled as Qtek 9100 e i-mate K-Jam), it is consistantly outperformed by a pretty large margin by other similar phones.

http://www.pocketpcitalia.com/Recen...3360/Benchmark/

Note, the site is in Italian but the benchmark results are in English.


Posted by: duchski

Quote:
Originally Posted by stillrockin
Well, if you truely do wish to test drive the 2125, and you tell them that you are thinking about holding out for the 8125, but thought you would go ahead and make the plunge, I would think that morally, you are doing nothing wrong. Part of the justification is for Cingular service vs Sprint . . . . However, there is no promise that at the end of 30 days, the 8125 is going to be widely available. Just following this thread should tell us, that it gets here, when it gets here . . . . .



To all the morality experts, this is not a church its a technical forum devoted to certain devices.
Now, even if you are holding out for 8125 it is OK to test 2125... Maybe you'll like ti so much that you foregt about 8125?
This is what the 30 day period is for in the first place.


BS. If you have moral dilemma with regards to returning merchandise, in full compliance with the service terms (30 days trial period), I can only say I feel sorry for you. It must be a real pain to live like that...


Posted by: duchski

Quote:
Originally Posted by jetli
Some very interesting benchmark results on this site for the Wizard (labelled as Qtek 9100 e i-mate K-Jam), it is consistantly outperformed by a pretty large margin by other similar phones.

http://www.pocketpcitalia.com/Recen...3360/Benchmark/

Note, the site is in Italian but the benchmark results are in English.



Especially by the devices twice the size and weight of 8125.
Take it easy, it is just a phone on steroids, not a tablet PC...


Posted by: jeasher

Quote:
Originally Posted by duchski
BS. If you have moral dilemma with regards to returning merchandise, in full compliance with the service terms (30 days trial period), I can only say I feel sorry for you. It must be a real pain to live like that...
Yes, it can be a real bother not lying and taking advantage of people. If you have such a carefree attitude and look to screw people over, I can only say I feel sorry for you (and those you know).


Posted by: jeasher

Quote:
Originally Posted by duchski
Especially by the devices twice the size and weight of 8125.
Take it easy, it is just a phone on steroids, not a tablet PC...

Exactly. As long as you expect it to perform like a good phone and decent PDA you'll be fine. It's not for power users. That's what the Universal is for.


Posted by: duchski

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeasher
Yes, it can be a real bother not lying and taking advantage of people. If you have such a carefree attitude and look to screw people over, I can only say I feel sorry for you (and those you know).


Buddy, be careful when you accuse me of screwing anybody, OK?
We are talking about taking advantage of CING's policy of being able to return devices within 30 days.... That policy was implemented so people like you can try a phone and see if it fits their needs... We are not talkintg about stealing a phone from CING's store here....
Now, take the phone use it and MAYBE you will like it so much that you will
not want 8125? Can you absolutely positively reject such a scenario?

And yes, I feel really sorry for people who "never lie". It must be really dificult to be such a hypocrite all the time.


Posted by: Lexball50

I love those 30 day rules, it gives me the consumer a option too check out a product and decide if i wanna keep it or not. How many times have you bought something and after a week and a half you realize that its a crap product. They should do the same thing with cd's and movies then maybe people wouldnt bootleg as much. If I buy a CD and its crap i should be able to bring it back and get my $13.99 back. or at least 70%. I only buy artist that i really like retail, anybody that i'm not sure of, internet or someones trunk. Then and only then if I really like the cd, i go to best buy and pick it up, the bootleg can stay in the car when the real thing goes in the crib.

Enough with the morals back to the phone.

I Just got the sprint ppc-6700. This is the best phone out right now. I was waiting on the cingular version but its talking forever. Sprint give you 14 days and if the service doesnt cut it it will be going back on the 13th day. I have nextel service so i dont know how the sprint side is, but i have 14 days to find out. Does cingular have a plan that I can only get online and texting and such or do you have to get a voice plan for the 8125?


Posted by: hospitalityprof

Quote:
Originally Posted by carnium
Cingular 8125 (Wizard)

12/20 target launch for Enterprise, 1/9/06 for all other channels

S/W Acceptance 12/13



I will be a new user (not a B2B, or institutional)..just a regular Joe. Does this mean I must wait to order via telesales or WWW until 1/9/06?


Posted by: MikeK2

Quote:
Originally Posted by carnium
Cingular 8125 (Wizard)

12/20 target launch for Enterprise, 1/9/06 for all other channels

S/W Acceptance 12/13


Since we've seen dates like this posted about a thousand times (in this thread alone ), can you share with us how you came by this information?

Thanks!

Mike


Posted by: MikeK2

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lexball50
I Just got the sprint ppc-6700. This is the best phone out right now. I was waiting on the cingular version but its talking forever. Sprint give you 14 days and if the service doesnt cut it it will be going back on the 13th day. I have nextel service so i dont know how the sprint side is, but i have 14 days to find out. Does cingular have a plan that I can only get online and texting and such or do you have to get a voice plan for the 8125?


For those contemplating what Lexball50 did, Sprint has an extended return policy for the holidays. This is from their site:

"Holiday Return Policy.
Except for returns from CA residents, all phones, devices and accessories may be returned for a refund or credit through January 8, 2006 without any penalties. Residents in CA have either until January 8, 2006 or 30 days to return any phone, device or accessory (whichever is longer). Software accessories may be returned for refund or credit only if returned in the original packaging with seal unbroken within 14 days (30 days in CA) of purchase."

The down side is that the phone itself is $599.00 from them without a contract.

Mike


Posted by: Jakaroe808

Quote:
Originally Posted by carnium
Cingular 8125 (Wizard)

12/20 target launch for Enterprise, 1/9/06 for all other channels

S/W Acceptance 12/13



Where did you get this date?


Posted by: duchski

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeK2
Since we've seen dates like this posted about a thousand times (in this thread alone ), can you share with us how you came by this information?

Thanks!

Mike



The problem with this kind of "insider" info is that it can never be backed by a contact name, email and number... I personally do not trust these dates anymore and take them for what they are: rumours like we heard before....
All we know the production phones are out there so the distribution should start really soon... When? Well, anybody who ever dealt with any project management knows how difficult it can be to keep a taget date for any complex project...


Posted by: duchski

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeK2
For those contemplating what Lexball50 did, Sprint has an extended return policy for the holidays. This is from their site:


The down side is that the phone itself is $599.00 from them without a contract.

Mike


Hey Mike,
Sprint's phone is not a GSM phone, right?
So what is the advantage of getting the phone w/o contract?
You are stuck with Sprint and its network anyway???


Posted by: MikeK2

Quote:
Originally Posted by duchski
Hey Mike,
Sprint's phone is not a GSM phone, right?
So what is the advantage of getting the phone w/o contract?
You are stuck with Sprint and its network anyway???


Yes, Sprint is CDMA, but Lexball50 mentioned that he was testing Sprint's service while waiting for the 8125. I also thought that people like me that are already on Sprint might like to try it out and see if they want to stay with Sprint instead of switching to Cingular just to get a Wizard.

Personally, my company is switching me to Cingular when the 8125 comes out, so I have no choice, but that might be an option for people on the fence.

Mike


Posted by: stillrockin

Quote:
Originally Posted by duchski
To all the morality experts, this is not a church its a technical forum devoted to certain devices.
Now, even if you are holding out for 8125 it is OK to test 2125... Maybe you'll like ti so much that you foregt about 8125?
This is what the 30 day period is for in the first place.


BS. If you have moral dilemma with regards to returning merchandise, in full compliance with the service terms (30 days trial period), I can only say I feel sorry for you. It must be a real pain to live like that...


So does this make you an immoral expert??????????

This is not a prison, it is a technical forum devoted to certain devices. The guy asked a question and I answered him the best I knew how. Sorry if it offended your unethics . . . .


Posted by: DogmeatAl

I hate to sound like an idiot, but I'm not a Cellphone - o - phile (if there is such a term). My Cingular contract is coming to an end (old AT&T) and I'm willing to renew. Service has been fine.

I don't really understand blue verses orange, BTB, Enterprise, and all that stuff, but I'd really like to get the 2125. I could dump my PDA and just carry a phone with my Outlook contacts. I was going to buy the Audiovox, but why get Windows Mobile 03 when I can get 05.

So......When might a poor consumer like me be able to get one and what would be your suggestions for the means. I was just planning to try and get the retention folks on the phone and see what I would get offered ( I also need three flip phones for the family, but all I need here is quality phones without any bells and whistles).

Thoughts? Suggestions? THANKS!!!


Posted by: smokeyb111

When do we get back on track in this thread?


Posted by: fowen

Quote:
Originally Posted by smokeyb111
When do we get back on track in this thread?

When they actually release the phone


Posted by: RulinSmoove

i hate the wait but it makes it so much more exciting to hear all the rumors... and waiting until somebody posts "it's available!" haha... thats the best day, running to the cingular store and grabbin the 8125. almost there!


Posted by: Jakaroe808

Quote:
Originally Posted by RulinSmoove
and waiting until somebody posts "it's available!" haha... thats the best day, running to the cingular store and grabbin the 8125. almost there!


That will be a great day


Posted by: RulinSmoove

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakaroe808
That will be a great day


thats always the best day. getting your device, setting it up, personalizing/customizing it. ahhh i sound like a effin nerd haha


Posted by: musthaveit

I'm out.

I am going to Sprint on Monday. 2 year commitment brings it down to $419. Very fast EVDO compared to GPRS, and $15 for unlimited data. Then add in some good flexible pricing and a 6pm weekend option. Too good to pass up for me. Cingular, Verizon, and T-Mobile are all dragging their collective feet here.

I am done waiting.


Good luck everyone!
Ciaio


Posted by: zachavm

Thanks for all your input everyone, I think I might let the final answer come from the employee I speak to about it. They would probably say to use 30-day trial since it would give them a sale at that moment. Though, if 8125 comes out for B2B (I go to a university that has a B2B purchase plan) on the 20th, that is only like a week after the 2125 is predicted to hit. So, it may not be worth it, but I think I would like to try both and keep the one I like best. We will see when it actually comes out. I hope I haven't rambled on about myself too much here.

Zach


Posted by: Jakaroe808

Just made mine today!





It put me back about $0.97. the Size is to specs, but I cant get it to turn on


Posted by: barky81

I have been told that the "current" release date is "mid-January." This was backed up by a 3-page powerpoint (ugly jpg of page 1 NOT attached due to size restrictions)...

This from someone who will be selling me multiple units in "mid-January." (Hopefully)

Of course, they also stated pricing as follows:

$449.99 for non-contracted customers
$349.99 for contracted customers who add voice and unlimited data

Someone else may know more; I am going to try and put this whole issue aside till the end of the year.

Additional note: Page 3 of the ppt says: "Shipment to coincide with Exchange 2003 Service Pack 2 – Q1, 2006"...so obviously it is an old ppt (which has clearly been floating around inside a particular company )

My peace of mind on still planning to buy this device comes from the final line on the ppt: "Upgrade utility will be available" (referring to the MSFP and Direct Push, specifically). Thus, since I will have been induced to purchase our units on the basis of this ppt provided by them, I will either know they will be updated in a timely fashion, or we will simply roll them over into the first comparable Cingular device that actually ships with MSFP (AUK 2.0).


Posted by: RulinSmoove

only thing i will take seriously is when i see it on the cingular site or i see it in the store.


Posted by: Omega2008

I will be picking up two of these when they come out....one to use and one to hack the crap out of, hardware wise and sofware wise. I am going to have so much fun modding this thing......well I hope.


Posted by: Jakaroe808

Good to see that someone in here has the balls to hack one of these.


Posted by: stillrockin

Quote:
Originally Posted by musthaveit
I'm out.

I am going to Sprint on Monday. 2 year commitment brings it down to $419. Very fast EVDO compared to GPRS, and $15 for unlimited data. Then add in some good flexible pricing and a 6pm weekend option. Too good to pass up for me. Cingular, Verizon, and T-Mobile are all dragging their collective feet here.

I am done waiting.


Good luck everyone!
Ciaio

I admit it, you make that sound very tempting . . .


Posted by: Lexball50

I have been with Nextel for years and love the service and customer support, but their phones suck. I have the i870 great phone love it, its Nextel's first bluetooth flip phone and all that, but my only gripe is that it just came out last month. My fix to that is just carry two phones. One for texting and internet and such then another for voice and dc calls. I am amazed at some of the PDA phones that are out here. When i saw that wizard, i said i gotta get me one, through sprint, cingular, tmobile whoever i didnt care. If all the devices are the same it seems like the sprint version is the best for me (vision plans are cheaper). I pretty much only use it for the internet, games, texting and such. I just use my i870 for voice and DC. One thing I can say is that that evo crap is fast as hell. Does cingular also have speed like that, i dont know to much about cingular. Thanks for any help.


Posted by: Lexball50

Here are a few pics if anyones interested.

BTW when i saw jakarod88 first pic i was like damn thats nice (thought that it was real), but thats a good job, i bet you got all A's in arts and crafts.







Posted by: myke

Jakaroe808 ,


Great job with the mock up. You know youve been waiting too long when people start making mock ups. I remember making a gamecube controller mock up out of clay and a gamecube mockup out of paper cutouts from ign.com. Good times


Posted by: Omega2008

Cingular will have UMTS and soon HSPDA upgrade to UMTS, it should be as fast or faster than EV-DO. However the 8125 will have EDGE which is slower than EV-DO.


Posted by: myke

cingular released UMTS in some parts of the US a couple days ago. Its in testing mode. Will the 8125 work with UMTS or does it need a new anteana?


Posted by: Omega2008

It needs a new radio.....you would have to overhaul the hardware and add sofware support. Not fun. The 8125 will not work with UMTS. There is nothing you can really do about it unless you want to mess around with the hardware and take a big risk in hosing your device....good luck with that. The 8125 supports EDGE/GPRS...thats it.


Posted by: Jakaroe808

First, all As in art class. Second, I have been waiting too long. In fact that was the first thing I thought when I started putting "it" together. Third, It does bother me a bit that the 8125 will not have HSPDA access, But I have a feeling that it wont be in my home town for some time. I'm ok with EDGE for now, but when HSPDA does go up, I hope there are some new toys to tempt me.


Posted by: Jakaroe808

I'm using GPRS at the moment. EDGE will feel some what freeing and HSPDA is still in the early stages. Only if I traveled a lot I would see the need for it.


Posted by: Lexball50

Thanks guys I think that i'm gonna stick with the sprint version. This site called pcspromotions.com has the ppc-6700 for $269.99 or something like that. You have to pay $480 outright then they credit your bill like $250. I'm about to order another through that route. The one i bought was like 480 anyways so that 250 credit is perfect timing. Thanks for the help guys.


Posted by: scott brown

can i use the 8125 EDGE capabilities on an at&t mmode plan?


Posted by: CoRupT

Ok i need a little help, Im in the market for a new phone but i want a phone with a text keypad, i really wanted this phone but it might be a little expensive but anyone a good alternative with a text keyboard? sorry for being off topic.


Posted by: zachavm

treo 650 refurbs were 150, don't know if that is still happening. It was on the cingular site.

Zach

Edit: I just checked, it's not. However, they do have a refurb of the blackberry 7290 for 70. You might check out that.


Posted by: barky81

We will be okay with only Edge on the 8125 because of its wifi...


Posted by: stillrockin

Quote:
Originally Posted by zachavm
treo 650 refurbs were 150, don't know if that is still happening. It was on the cingular site.

Zach

Edit: I just checked, it's not. However, they do have a refurb of the blackberry 7290 for 70. You might check out that.


Good luck on getting ANY refurbed units from Cingular's site . . I got tired of waiting for the 8125 and decided to go with the $140 refurbed Treo. (I have owned several and had much software and decided I couldn't wait for the 8125) So the day I ordered I received a conformation number. Three days later, nothing. . . . So I log on to check only to find my order has been canceled. A call to my credit card automation shows the charge. So I spend the next 2 1/2 hours on the phone with Cingular CS. . . Finally I got someone on the line who could tell me what happened. They ran out . . . . . . . Days before I placed my order. . . . I can understand the fact that they can run out of a limited supply of refurbed phones. . . . What is not acceptable is never bothering to tell me . . . The charge on CC was a pending charge and went away after about 36 hours . . The lady told me to call every other day and see if more had come in, but that they used the refurbed units to replace the units of existing customers, and sometimes they might have extra . . . . . I am sorry but this one really left a bad taste in my mouth! Thats why I have decided to try and practice patience and wait on a non-contracted 8125 like I started to do way back in October . . . .

Thanks for letting me get this off my chest!


Posted by: nskgti23

This is not the b2b release though....



And the lowest price is $299 with unlimited data, voice and a 2 year contract.

Quote:
Originally Posted by barky81
I have been told that the "current" release date is "mid-January." This was backed up by a 3-page powerpoint (ugly jpg of page 1 NOT attached due to size restrictions)...

This from someone who will be selling me multiple units in "mid-January." (Hopefully)

Of course, they also stated pricing as follows:

$449.99 for non-contracted customers
$349.99 for contracted customers who add voice and unlimited data

Someone else may know more; I am going to try and put this whole issue aside till the end of the year.

Additional note: Page 3 of the ppt says: "Shipment to coincide with Exchange 2003 Service Pack 2 – Q1, 2006"...so obviously it is an old ppt (which has clearly been floating around inside a particular company )

My peace of mind on still planning to buy this device comes from the final line on the ppt: "Upgrade utility will be available" (referring to the MSFP and Direct Push, specifically). Thus, since I will have been induced to purchase our units on the basis of this ppt provided by them, I will either know they will be updated in a timely fashion, or we will simply roll them over into the first comparable Cingular device that actually ships with MSFP (AUK 2.0).



Posted by: butzchan

nskgti23, will the public release (non business) be in Dec or Jan?


Posted by: bluetoothless

Forgive me for not reading all 80+ previous pages, but I linked into this thread and it is my understanding that this is not the same unit as the "wizard" being sold by other carriers. Rather one with TI OMAP and not Intel Proc. and appearances other than just color like the Imate and Qtek. Recall something mentioned about HTC 100 or 200 series? This universal does have UMTS but not 850mhz for better Cingular coverage, and is a whole different beast. Is there word of a UMTS Wizard model? This unit is still a very nice product for the money even if the specs are different.


Posted by: captainmicahp

http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000473064768/
But not for a long long time.


Posted by: Jakaroe808

That Star Trek is one ugly clamshell


Posted by: Omega2008

The Star Trek looks like hot garbage. But they got the right idea, thin and Windows Mobile 5.0. If they can only make it look better, than I would be sold.


Posted by: Omega2008

UMTS on the Universal will not work on Cingular's UMTS. Cingulars UMTS spectrum is 1900 and 850. The UMTS on the Universal is 2100 and it won't work here in the US.

The only diffrence between the Wizard 100 and 200 series is the style of the device. The internal hardware is the same across both series.

The Apache (the CDMA version of the Wizard aka PPC 6700 at sprint.com) has the intel processor. Both processors are good and do the same. One has a single core and the other has dual cores. Of course the Wizard has better battery life because of its processor and the fact that its GSM.


Posted by: Jakaroe808

The Star Trek looks to have a rather small screen or else the handset itself is huge.


Posted by: Omega2008

It has the same size screen as the MPx 220...which is lame. This is the prime reason why I am getting the 8125. This not that much bigger than the MPx 220 or SMT 5600 and has a much bigger screen and a keyboard! The hell with the smartphone! hahaha.


Posted by: Jakaroe808

I agree. I am soo tired of the 220's screen size. The 2125 looks a good bit bigger but everything about the 8125 screems "YOU NEED ME!!!"


Posted by: McCarron

Does anyone have Apache vs Wizard side by side shots, or even Apache vs Wizard vs Treo. After trying out the Apache at the Sprint store I was left unimpressed by it's size compared to my Treo. It's very thick. It was larger than my Treo and I heard the Wizard is smaller than the Treo because of no antenna. I've seen Treo vs Wizard photos and it seemed thinner or equal size.

I'm pretty sold on the Wizard/8125, just wondering if anyone has seen reviews that compared all three?


Posted by: Omega2008

Try the PPC forum.


Posted by: hope4jsl

I Don't know. I may just go ahead and wait for this new HTC Prophet. I really don't think I would use a keyboard. I would rather have the much thinner phone than a slide our keyboard. Besides the keyboard, can anyone see any other major drawbacks to this phone?

I also like the black color better....and it uses regular size SD cards

Note: the last links has pics of the prophet next to the wizard.


http://www.dopodasia.com/Dopod/Sing...18_Pro/spec.htm

http://mobile-review.com/pda/review...rophet-en.shtml

http://sphone.se/nyheter.php?action...mments=1&id=240


Posted by: Jakaroe808

You like the pink one don't ya?

Don't worry I wont tell anyone.

It does look thinner and if you don't think you'll use qwerty keys than go for it. I think for me, the thickness of the 8125 is all worth it for the keys. Its jus a bit thicker.


Posted by: Omega2008

If it wasn't for the keyboard, I wouldn't even get a PPC. I would stick with a smartphone.


Posted by: RulinSmoove

Quote:
Originally Posted by Omega2008
If it wasn't for the keyboard, I wouldn't even get a PPC. I would stick with a smartphone.


me too. but the keyboard is dope. gotta have it.


Posted by: Omega2008

"dope" what do you think the 8125 does? dispense crack? lol dope. You kids and your messed up sayings.


Posted by: Jakaroe808

I use "dope" . Who doesn't use dope. Dope is great. In sentences of course.


Posted by: hope4jsl

I have had pocket pc's with qwerty keyboards and some without qwerty keyboards. I really hardly ever used the keyboard. It's not that I never use a keyboard. (like a smartphone) It's just when I did use it, I always just used the built in virtual keyboard with the stylus.

I always find that regular qwerty Keyboard keys are to small for my thumbs.


Posted by: RulinSmoove

Quote:
Originally Posted by Omega2008
"dope" what do you think the 8125 does? dispense crack? lol dope. You kids and your messed up sayings.


yes, i said dope. do you have a problem with that old man? because if you do, next time you want to post an ignorant comment like that, don't.

and besides:

a - im not a kid
b - who was the person that passed judgement on the word dope saying it was a "messed up saying", hmm?


Posted by: Omega2008

hahahaha omg people are way to serious. Secondly, its not ignorant comment. Third it was joke. But your intitled to feel whatever you want to feel. Lastly, if 21 makes me an old man, well I guess I am a old man huh.


Posted by: Jakaroe808

Simmer don na.. Omega was just messing around with you. I'm sure no one was passing judgement.


Posted by: Omega2008

Oh one more thing, i don't pass judgement on anybody. I don't care enough to care what you do in your personal life or anybody else for that matter, but if I was passing judgement...you would certianly know it.


Posted by: Jakaroe808

Omega your just a youngster, I'm an old man at 24


Posted by: Omega2008

hahaha I am gonna get you a wheel chair for christmas!


Posted by: stuXstu

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jakaroe808
Simmer don na.. Omega was just messing around with you. I'm sure no one was passing judgement.


I was passing judgment, just not for his usage of verbiage. :-)


Posted by: lopezpm

Quote:
Originally Posted by RulinSmoove
yes, i said dope. do you have a problem with that old man? because if you do, next time you want to post an ignorant comment like that, don't.

and besides:

a - im not a kid
b - who was the person that passed judgement on the word dope saying it was a "messed up saying", hmm?


Calm down, don't be so damn touchy. He was only kidding. By the way Jakaroe, I'm 29 so that must make me real old, almost to that damn 30.


Posted by: zachavm

22 Here. What is the age of the others here. I would be curious to know.

Omega: I assume you are in college like me. What's your major?

Zach


Posted by: vpathak

Okay you kids.......I am probably the oldest here....at 35...but as wild as ever....


Posted by: Jakaroe808

Quote:
Originally Posted by Omega2008
hahaha I am gonna get you a wheel chair for christmas!


Sweet . I want a Rascal 600C. Check out the specs on that thing Omega. Yeah! Rascal 600C


Posted by: Omega2008

hahaha your too much man.


Posted by: gordonp3

I have you all beat, 41 here.

I guess you guys will be delivering my 8125 to the funeral home at this rate!


Posted by: Omega2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by zachavm
22 Here. What is the age of the others here. I would be curious to know.

Omega: I assume you are in college like me. What's your major?

Zach

I am actually double majoring with one minor haha

Electrical and Computer Engineering. The curriculum is very simular, with only a semesters difference in material. Then I am minoring in Physics....which is a given because I take Phy. I and II and will have to take III which will give me a minor in physics. So yea I am a busy bee lol.


Posted by: mbranscum

Quote:
Originally Posted by vpathak
Okay you kids.......I am probably the oldest here....at 35...but as wild as ever....


43 here


Posted by: Omega2008

Ewwwww all you old people!!! hahaha I am just kidding. Its nice to know that older people are interested in this stuff...hell I wish I could get my dad into it but its "beyond him" thats his fav. quote.


Posted by: Jakaroe808

Quote:
Originally Posted by Omega2008
I am actually double majoring with one minor haha

Electrical and Computer Engineering.


I'm looking into Electrical/Computer Engineering schools at the moment.


Posted by: zachavm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Omega2008
I am actually double majoring with one minor haha

Electrical and Computer Engineering. The curriculum is very simular, with only a semesters difference in material. Then I am minoring in Physics....which is a given because I take Phy. I and II and will have to take III which will give me a minor in physics. So yea I am a busy bee lol.


That's cool. I am a senior computer engineering major at Oklahoma state university (I wonder if we have had this conversation before?) I also am getting a minor in comp sci.

Jakaroe

Don't know where you are from, but I love it here at OSU. Great program, and an even better university atmosphere. Everyone here is nice as can be. It isn't hard to find your nitch at all.

Zach


Posted by: myke

i keep getting email reminders that people have posted replies in this thread, yet all youre talking about is old people and eletronic scooters.


Posted by: stillrockin

Quote:
Originally Posted by mbranscum
43 here


46 years and two months!
one foot in the


Posted by: Omega2008

I am only a Junior...........and I got 3 more years to go lol. I attend USF (University of South Florida) they have a really good engieering background, all of there engieering is acredited.


Posted by: duchski

Quote:
Originally Posted by myke
i keep getting email reminders that people have posted replies in this thread, yet all youre talking about is old people and eletronic scooters.


Take it easy or turn off the mail notify....
It's cool so many electrical engineers and comp scy folks on the board. Maybe you feel tempted to play with our gadget a little bit, if you know what I mean. Of course not violating any laws concerning reverse engineering etc. etc...


Posted by: Omega2008

****....I am getting two of these 8125's one to hack the heck out of! Just like I did my now fabled MPx 300. hahaha


Posted by: jasonsirota

A more on-topic post, can we theorize on what's causing the delay? I can think of a few things that cause the delay of a phone to be released on a carrier

1. FCC / Carrier approval
2. Hardware problems
3. Software problems
4. Marketing issues (ideal release time, lack of buzz, competition etc..)
5. Stock problems (such as Xbox)

Now, we don't think it's #1. I can't see how it can be #4 since people are clamoring for it and it IS christmas. That leaves 2,3, and 5. It's been said that the phones are in the warehouse and waiting to ship, so there's nothing they could do about hardware, and software problems would be a MASSIVE undertaking (reflashing all the phones). And if the phones are in the warehouse, it's not a stock problem.

SO WHAT IS IT?! Did I miss something in my analysis? Anyone have any thoughts?

Jason


Posted by: Omega2008

This is Cingular for you. They are waiting for something, not sure what.


Posted by: exchguy

I am not sure Cingular really cares much about the Christmas factor with either the 2125 or 8125 because these devices are marketed primarily at business users, not really the consumer market that is looking for the latest ringtones, cameras and text messaging features.

From what was explained somewhere earlier in this thread, an insider said it may have had to due with either a software or hardware issue with the device. Cingular is probably touchy with these devices, because they do not want what happened with the MPx220 last year to occur again (i.e. major issues and then had to be pulled from the market). They need to be sure whatever is released is solid.

Some speculation also has the device being pushed out because of the need to include the MSFP/AKU 2.0 update for enhanced email features with Exchange 2003 and the Bluetooth AD2P profile. My feeling is that both will be released with only AKU 1.1 and will provide an update in early Q1 06.

Cingular really needs to get these devices out soon because Verizon is buzzing about an early 1st quarter release of the Treo 700w, which is likely to be a hit provided there are not any major issues with it. They have already been advertising it heavily in the press and on their web site. It is also a 6 month exclusive on Verizon. Sprint has had the PPC-6700/HTC Apache out since early October, so Cingular is already 2-3 months behind their release with a similar device.


Posted by: guapoharry

Quote:
Originally Posted by Omega2008
I am only a Junior...........and I got 3 more years to go lol. I attend USF (University of South Florida) they have a really good engieering background, all of there engieering is acredited.


Uh, depends on who is doing the accrediting

That sounds like schools here in Arizona.

Should we keep this up and get the thread locked?


Posted by: pcman

YEP
Verizon is doing it the correct way with the 700w .
When subscibers contracts are up and need to renew It would be nice to know that in a month or so that they will have a new phone.WHATS THE BIG DEAL NOT LETTING THE PUBLIC KNOW OF UPCOMING PHONES they release upcoming service upgrades to the public in advance.
I would think it would make subscibers stay if they knew a cool device is soon to be released I'm still with them not that I know about 2125 8125.
My contract is up and I been waiting for 2 months, now sold my smt5600.
Sprint and Nextel already have highspeed web out and devices.
I'm trying hard to be patiant


Posted by: Omega2008

well If verizon wasn't CDMA I would of left Cingular a long long time ago.


Posted by: Omega2008

..........after taking a better look at the 700w, I think I may get one of those too! Sign up with verizon and give it whirl for 15 days, then send it back.


Posted by: Docsalvo

Just got off the phone with Cingular..yet again...I either get someone that doesnt know what the hell I am talking about, never heard of it, cant find it, dont know where to look, who to ask, or what to tell me. Occasionally I get the ones that FIND IT!! and their response it "Wow! that looks like an awesome phone...but, uh yeah, nothing about "release date'...dont know what to tell you"

1. the 8125 APPEARS to be a great device
2. NO ONE at cingular, over the past several months and various people ,
have ANY clue about this phone.
3. So I am not so sure where some of the people in this thread THINK they
are getting their info becasue the release dated that have been
mentioned in here, have, well...come and gone...only to hope and wait
for the NEXT one!!!

In my opinion, Cingular is a a HUGE company out to make money, they dont care who they market a phone to, the wider the market, the bigger the profits...big business, small business, or average consumer...doesnt matter, money is money. With all the other companies coming out with new phones, better devices etc...Cingular is losing out, BIG TIME! So....if Cingular had this phone...they would have released it already. I think their last "BIG RELEASE" was the BB and the HP...thats it for this year.

Holding out for a company that isnt producing a highly demanded product...what exactly is the point of that? But it is a good marketing ploy...since we have all been doing it this far. Keeps us from becoming customers of other companies.

ok.. I think I am done.


Posted by: Omega2008

Its just a damn phone.


Posted by: gps

Quote:
Originally Posted by Docsalvo
Just got off the phone with Cingular..yet again...I either get someone that doesnt know what the hell I am talking about, never heard of it, cant find it, dont know where to look, who to ask, or what to tell me. Occasionally I get the ones that FIND IT!! and their response it "Wow! that looks like an awesome phone...but, uh yeah, nothing about "release date'...dont know what to tell you"

1. the 8125 APPEARS to be a great device
2. NO ONE at cingular, over the past several months and various people ,
have ANY clue about this phone.
3. So I am not so sure where some of the people in this thread THINK they
are getting their info becasue the release dated that have been
mentioned in here, have, well...come and gone...only to hope and wait
for the NEXT one!!!

In my opinion, Cingular is a a HUGE company out to make money, they dont care who they market a phone to, the wider the market, the bigger the profits...big business, small business, or average consumer...doesnt matter, money is money. With all the other companies coming out with new phones, better devices etc...Cingular is losing out, BIG TIME! So....if Cingular had this phone...they would have released it already. I think their last "BIG RELEASE" was the BB and the HP...thats it for this year.

Holding out for a company that isnt producing a highly demanded product...what exactly is the point of that? But it is a good marketing ploy...since we have all been doing it this far. Keeps us from becoming customers of other companies.

ok.. I think I am done.




Yeah, you're right. I'd go ahead and buy something else. Those "Cingular branded" phones aren't going to come out. We're just throwing BS out at people.


Posted by: Omega2008

I concur....those pics are photoshopped and its never going to come out. We are just chatting about a device that will never come out, ya know we love making 89 page long threds lol.


Posted by: Docsalvo

EXACTLY!! Prototypes are made all the time...and NEVER make it to market...but their are those picturesque phototypes!! Again...good for marketing.

89 pages!! The first page began almost 2 months in October!! ...and Cingular reps, store managers, etc...consistently have no definitive info on it.


Posted by: Omega2008

Hahahaha I can asure you they are not prototypes, they are production units and Cingular will carry them but I am betting we won't see the 8125 until Jan. The 2125 is supposed to be out Monday.

Cingular is always clueless on the devices they will have, until they are released and even then most are still clueless. You can't trust Cingular to give you any real information on anything most of the time.


Posted by: duchski

Quote:
Originally Posted by Omega2008
Hahahaha I can asure you they are not prototypes, they are production units and Cingular will carry them but I am betting we won't see the 8125 until Jan. The 2125 is supposed to be out Monday.

Cingular is always clueless on the devices they will have, until they are released and even then most are still clueless. You can't trust Cingular to give you any real information on anything most of the time.



Now, when you say "CING does not know" you realize that you are talking about the lowest form of life i.e. customer care employees. They are at the bottom of the food chain and know only as much as it is being fed to them. That includes all of the telephone sales folks as well...

Of course there are people at CING's product management and marketing who do know what is going on but we do not have access to these individuals or they do not feel like sharing what they know with us...

Maybe CING is watiting for some promo literature to be printed, maybe for the holiday advertising campaing - only they know. We just have to be patient and wait.


ON TOPIC:

Can anyone list all the hardware and software differences between 2125 and 8125?


Posted by: Omega2008

Yes I am talking about CS, and the upper level peeps at Cingular do share info...just with the right people.

You can look at the specs for the c600 and the HTC wizard. The c600 is just like the 2125 hardware wise and the K-Jam or the Qtek 9100 is just like the 8125 hardware wise. Go and research it. I know I am not typing all that crap.


Posted by: gsodhi

I called PCMALL and they confirmed that they are selling the Cingular Orange 8125 for $541.00 but a two week wait is required from retrieving them from the manufacturer. Seems like a special order. They have a list of backorder. There first order is coming in tomorrow and it is going to a person who backordered it.

-Raj


Posted by: Rock3nrenigade

Quote:
Originally Posted by gsodhi
I called PCMALL and they confirmed that they are selling the Cingular Orange 8125 for $541.00 but a two week wait is required from retrieving them from the manufacturer. Seems like a special order. They have a list of backorder. There first order is coming in tomorrow and it is going to a person who backordered it.

-Raj

wait what.


Posted by: myke

Quote:
Originally Posted by gsodhi
I called PCMALL and they confirmed that they are selling the Cingular Orange 8125 for $541.00 but a two week wait is required from retrieving them from the manufacturer. Seems like a special order. They have a list of backorder. There first order is coming in tomorrow and it is going to a person who backordered it.

-Raj



Nice 1st post. Do you work for PCMALL?


Posted by: duchski

[QUOTE=Omega2008]Yes I am talking about CS, and the upper level peeps at Cingular do share info...just with the right people.

[QUOTE]

And you are one of them, that makes you so important


Posted by: Omega2008

hahaha no one said I was one of them, and no one said I am important. i am important to myself and my goals and thats about it.


Posted by: Omega2008

Why should I pay 541.00 when I can get it from Cingular for 449.00?


Posted by: gsodhi

No, I don't work for PC Mall but have been lurking for sometime and researching the boards...

How are you able to get it from Cingular already for $449? Do you already have a unit?

-Raj


Posted by: pjammin10

Quote:
Originally Posted by gsodhi
No, I don't work for PC Mall but have been lurking for sometime and researching the boards...

How are you able to get it from Cingular already for $449? Do you already have a unit?

-Raj


He's refering to when it comes out buddy.


Posted by: stillrockin

Well, since this thread hasn't been on topic for like 88 pages now, I saw this on http://palmsolo.com Sounds like at this week's Mobius that guys from Microsoft gave them a peak into the future plans for their MOBILE OS . . .

Maybe Cing is waiting on this???

Photon is a radical change for Windows Mobile

One very cool thing we just had a chance to see at Mobius is a very early preview of Photon. This is the version of Windows Mobile that we probably won't see for 3 or more years, but needless to say it is INCREDIBLE for Smartphones and changes the way you may think of dealing with a mobile device. We can't say anything about it, but it will completely merge the Smartphone and Pocket PC OS so you can buy one application and have it work across devices. This may prove challenging for developers and will be interesting to see how it will all come together. Before Photon though we will see Crossbow released for Windows Mobile devices.


Posted by: Docsalvo

Amazing how noone at cingular knows ANY info on the phone....much less a price.


oh wait!!!! Isnt today the 9th!!!!

wooo hooooo!!

Its the next MOST RECENT release date!!!!


Posted by: nskgti23

I know a lot of info on this phone... I'm just choosing not to post anything.

As for price it has been stated 1000 times. The lowest price will be $299 (ie 2yr/ w/Voice and Unlimited PDA data)... No contract is $449

Quote:
Originally Posted by Docsalvo
Amazing how noone at cingular knows ANY info on the phone....much less a price.


oh wait!!!! Isnt today the 9th!!!!

wooo hooooo!!

Its the next MOST RECENT release date!!!!



Posted by: smcassara

Quote:
Originally Posted by stillrockin
Well, since this thread hasn't been on topic for like 88 pages now, I saw this on http://palmsolo.com Sounds like at this week's Mobius that guys from Microsoft gave them a peak into the future plans for their MOBILE OS . . .

Maybe Cing is waiting on this???



i don't think they're waiting on wm6, otherwise they would've released the hp6715 with wm5.

funny how sprint puts out the 6700 and we get the archaic hp6515..


Posted by: smcassara

if this is any indication as to when it'll be released..

cingular cs just called my store asking if I had any information as to the release of the "High Tech 8125"

i don't know fellas, my gut says we're not seing this phone for quite some time.


Posted by: jlczl

Quote:
Originally Posted by nskgti23
I know a lot of info on this phone... I'm just choosing not to post anything.


I know a lot of info on this phone too. I'm just choosing not to post anything.

ooooooooh! aaaaaah!


Posted by: Omega2008

Photon is years away. It has nothing to to with when this device will be released.


Posted by: nskgti23

Quote:
Originally Posted by jlczl
I know a lot of info on this phone too. I'm just choosing not to post anything.

ooooooooh! aaaaaah!


See the difference is with my history I can back it up... Note the 2125 thread...


Posted by: nskgti23

I will be...

It will be out for BUSINESS customers before years end. Retail, I am not sure when...

Quote:
Originally Posted by smcassara
if this is any indication as to when it'll be released..

cingular cs just called my store asking if I had any information as to the release of the "High Tech 8125"

i don't know fellas, my gut says we're not seing this phone for quite some time.



Posted by: stillrockin

Quote:
Originally Posted by Omega2008
Photon is years away. It has nothing to to with when this device will be released.


Omega, please don't take that serious . . . it was meant as humor. Poor humor maybe, but it was a joke . . . . . . .


Posted by: blueshockeynut

Posted this on some other forums, but I finally got my hands on the 2125 and the 8125, pics are attached, am currently in the process of reviewing them, any questions, feel free to ask.

JB















Posted by: Rock3nrenigade

your a lucky *******!!!!! How is the one handed opperation? Treo like? how is the battery life! (very importaint)


Posted by: blueshockeynut

Being a Treo user myself, the one handed operation is a bit more cumbersome as far as trying to use the full keyboard, for example, while holding the device with the keyboard open, my thumb cant reach the last two rows on the keyboard, two anded operation though is very smooth.

Battery Life - Super Important topic here, I fully charged the device yesterday afternoon, used it a few times on the way home with my Bluetooth headset and alitte this morning, the battery life dropped about 5% which is damn good in my book.

JB


Posted by: exchguy

I haven't seen very many pocket pc phones that are very good at one handed use yet, unless they are a front thumboard like the HP's. Because the actual buttons are limited without sliding the keyboard, thats always going to be a problem unless a thumboard is used instead of a full keyboard. That is one advantage of the Smartphone devices, because they are primarily button driven instead of touch screen driven like PPC Phones.

What version of Windows Mobile 5.0 is being used on the device?

What about signal strength/RF performance compared to other phones? Also, how is EDGE speed on the 8125?


Posted by: vpathak

how did you get the 2125 and 8125? Are you with Cing/Wholesaler/Corp/Store? OR are you outside the US?

Please let me know how I might be able to get the 8125 as well.


Posted by: Rock3nrenigade

Thats great to hear! Im on the edge of whether to get the 2125/Nokia 6682 or the C8125. Anyinput would help here.


Posted by: myke

How do the speakers sound playing MP3s?

Is this a final cingular product? If so, is there any bundled cingular software? Such as something that organizes SMS into a chat


Posted by: hope4jsl

I don't know......

I was really excited about this phone for awhile, but now I think I may forget it and wait till the next generation of these phones comes out.

I read to many posts about the K-jam and the other devcies that are pretty much the same thing as this one, and they all say the same thing. It's to slow and the build is not really great.

I really don't want my phone to take a backseat to my PDA. I use my phone a lot.

Also I got to thinking, I use bluetooth GPS with my Dell Axim, if I used it with one of these new devices, I would not be able to also talk on my bluetooth headset while driving, like I can now.

I think over all I much prefer the seperate phone and PDA (for now.....) I also realy like the smartphone software. I would kill for a RAZR with memory slot and smartphone windows mobile built in......

Anyway...In the meantime I may order a RAZR just to play with, and satisfy my need to get something new.


Posted by: Rock3nrenigade

With BT 1.2 you can talk on the phone and transfer to your PDA at the same time so maybe the GPS and Headset will work.


Posted by: exchguy

Quote:
Originally Posted by hope4jsl
I don't know......

I was really excited about this phone for awhile, but now I think I may forget it and wait till the next generation of these phones comes out.

I read to many posts about the K-jam and the other devcies that are pretty much the same thing as this one, and they all say the same thing. It's to slow and the build is not really great.

I really don't want my phone to take a backseat to my PDA. I use my phone a lot.

Also I got to thinking, I use bluetooth GPS with my Dell Axim, if I used it with one of these new devices, I would not be able to also talk on my bluetooth headset while driving, like I can now.

I think over all I much prefer the seperate phone and PDA (for now.....) I also realy like the smartphone software. I would kill for a RAZR with memory slot and smartphone windows mobile built in......

Anyway...In the meantime I may order a RAZR just to play with, and satisfy my need to get something new.

It sounds like you really prefer a Smartphone form factor device instead. They are designed to be a phone first with PDA and data functions second. I am a long time Smartphone user (MPx200 and SMT5600) but recently got a hold of a Jasjar and possibly going to be getting the 8125.

The Motorola Q is going to be released on Verizon, and it is a RAZR like device although quality will be questionable because of Moto's history with Smartphones.

I agree the Pocket PC Phone form factor is hard to swallow for most. Its a PDA first, no questions about that. Its not going to be as good of a phone as other devices. That is the trade off.


Posted by: blueshockeynut

exchguy,

WM5 - OS 5.1.70 (Build 14406.1.1.1) Currently waiting for a link to the new rom update I need to put on it.

Signal Strength - In this case I can only tell you about the strength in the areas that I live in, I will say that the strength and hold is very good, so is the call quality as well, impressed with that so far.

Edge Speeds - I am expecting the new 64k Orange SIM cards on Monday so I can test Edge, I am currently testing with the old Blue AT&T sims, so once I get the new sims in I can truly test Edge.

vpathak,

I am not with Cingular, they are our primary cell carrier for our company, and when you are the Remote Access and Mobility Engineer for the company I work for, I am able to get my hands on alot of equipment before they hit the streets, it probably helps that i have over 1000 users on Cingular Cell cards and the fact that I will be upgrading them to the new Novatel U730 here in the coming weeks helps as well. I have had the pleasure of testing alot of equipment, including the Treo 700W, and the now defunct MPx300.
The only way i know that you can get an 8125 at this point is like everyone else, have to wait until it is released, sorry!

Rock,

I am going to try and do a descent review of the products this weekend and hopefully that will help.

Myke,

Havent tested playing any music on it just yet, I can tell you that the storage card is indeed Mini-SD.
I believe this is the final Cingular product, except for ROM updates of course, currently waiting on a new one right now. I will look into the bundled software for you and see what will be included, but rememer, i am looking at this from a buisness standpoint and not consumer, so what the consumer gets and what the buisness's get are usually two differant things.
Havent tested SMS yet, but getting to it.

JB


Posted by: jlczl

You're right. If you are considering either this phone or a Razr, the Wizard is probably not for you. Maybe the 2125 though.


Posted by: exchguy

Quote:
Originally Posted by blueshockeynut
exchguy,

WM5 - OS 5.1.70 (Build 14406.1.1.1) Currently waiting for a link to the new rom update I need to put on it.

Signal Strength - In this case I can only tell you about the strength in the areas that I live in, I will say that the strength and hold is very good, so is the call quality as well, impressed with that so far.

Edge Speeds - I am expecting the new 64k Orange SIM cards on Monday so I can test Edge, I am currently testing with the old Blue AT&T sims, so once I get the new sims in I can truly test Edge.

Thanks dude. Sounds like at least AKU 1.1 is already on the device, but if you are waiting on the ROM update then are they telling you that AKU 2.0/MSFP will be there on shipping?

Please keep us updated on your testing as you move forward.


Posted by: CydeWeyz

So both these phones will be unlocked in the final release, like Cingular has been known for with Quad band phones? The SX66, I currently use, I bought last year around this time (Christmas Break) from Cingular, but I use it with an AT&T sim. It came unlocked.


Posted by: hope4jsl

No No. I have a smartphone now.

I was not deciding between this phone and a RAZR, I am just thinking about ordering a RAZR to use on the weekends or something. But as I said earlier, a RAZR with the smartphone windows woud be really cool.

I really like PDA's, and I also really like phones....I'm just sure they have perfected them enough together yet. I don't have enough money to try every PDA phone that comes along.

Like for instance the new 2125. I don't see enough difference in that to change from my current SMT5600.

I wished.......They had a MPx300 (the clam shell one) that was almost as thin as a razr and had no bugs and was very fast. Now that I buy!!!


Posted by: hope4jsl

AS far as the Q...I really like flip phones better.


Posted by: Eric5273

Quote:
Originally Posted by exchguy
I agree the Pocket PC Phone form factor is hard to swallow for most. Its a PDA first, no questions about that. Its not going to be as good of a phone as other devices. That is the trade off.


The Treo 700w will most likely break the rules as far as this goes.


Posted by: Omega2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by blueshockeynut
exchguy,

WM5 - OS 5.1.70 (Build 14406.1.1.1) Currently waiting for a link to the new rom update I need to put on it.

Signal Strength - In this case I can only tell you about the strength in the areas that I live in, I will say that the strength and hold is very good, so is the call quality as well, impressed with that so far.

Edge Speeds - I am expecting the new 64k Orange SIM cards on Monday so I can test Edge, I am currently testing with the old Blue AT&T sims, so once I get the new sims in I can truly test Edge.

vpathak,

I am not with Cingular, they are our primary cell carrier for our company, and when you are the Remote Access and Mobility Engineer for the company I work for, I am able to get my hands on alot of equipment before they hit the streets, it probably helps that i have over 1000 users on Cingular Cell cards and the fact that I will be upgrading them to the new Novatel U730 here in the coming weeks helps as well. I have had the pleasure of testing alot of equipment, including the Treo 700W, and the now defunct MPx300.
The only way i know that you can get an 8125 at this point is like everyone else, have to wait until it is released, sorry!

Rock,

I am going to try and do a descent review of the products this weekend and hopefully that will help.

Myke,

Havent tested playing any music on it just yet, I can tell you that the storage card is indeed Mini-SD.
I believe this is the final Cingular product, except for ROM updates of course, currently waiting on a new one right now. I will look into the bundled software for you and see what will be included, but rememer, i am looking at this from a buisness standpoint and not consumer, so what the consumer gets and what the buisness's get are usually two differant things.
Havent tested SMS yet, but getting to it.

JB

Thanks for the pics and the information.


Posted by: exchguy

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric5273
The Treo 700w will most likely break the rules as far as this goes.

Yep, the Treo 700w might be big hit if its done right. Something that could be a big deal for Microsoft and the Windows Mobile platform. The deal breaker for me is CDMA only since Verizon is going to have the exclusive. If they come up with a UMTS/HSDPA enabled version for GSM carriers mid-06 it could be nice for those of us who don't want to be locked into CDMA.


Posted by: gacajun

Quote:
Originally Posted by blueshockeynut
exchguy,

WM5 - OS 5.1.70 (Build 14406.1.1.1) Currently waiting for a link to the new rom update I need to put on it.

Signal Strength - In this case I can only tell you about the strength in the areas that I live in, I will say that the strength and hold is very good, so is the call quality as well, impressed with that so far.

Edge Speeds - I am expecting the new 64k Orange SIM cards on Monday so I can test Edge, I am currently testing with the old Blue AT&T sims, so once I get the new sims in I can truly test Edge.

vpathak,

I am not with Cingular, they are our primary cell carrier for our company, and when you are the Remote Access and Mobility Engineer for the company I work for, I am able to get my hands on alot of equipment before they hit the streets, it probably helps that i have over 1000 users on Cingular Cell cards and the fact that I will be upgrading them to the new Novatel U730 here in the coming weeks helps as well. I have had the pleasure of testing alot of equipment, including the Treo 700W, and the now defunct MPx300.
The only way i know that you can get an 8125 at this point is like everyone else, have to wait until it is released, sorry!

Rock,

I am going to try and do a descent review of the products this weekend and hopefully that will help.

Myke,

Havent tested playing any music on it just yet, I can tell you that the storage card is indeed Mini-SD.
I believe this is the final Cingular product, except for ROM updates of course, currently waiting on a new one right now. I will look into the bundled software for you and see what will be included, but rememer, i am looking at this from a buisness standpoint and not consumer, so what the consumer gets and what the buisness's get are usually two differant things.
Havent tested SMS yet, but getting to it.

JB


Nice to see someone finally got an actual phone in their hands. One big question I have...is WiFi on either the 2125 or the 8125?


Posted by: Omega2008

Wi fi is not on the 2125, that has already been established, and yes wi-fi is on the 8125.


Posted by: hope4jsl

WOW! I had never even paid attention to the new treo. I had no idea it was going to run windows. That's cool....


Posted by: Omega2008

.........someone must of been liveing in a cave lol hahaha.


Posted by: hope4jsl

I guess so! I just never even paid attention because I don't like the palm operating system. I had heard anout this happening, but I thought they was talkiing about way down the road.

It looks like it won't have wifi? Thats stinks....

It's hard to find the exact specs for that one...


Posted by: exchguy

Well, The 700w will be on EV-DO so really not much need for Wi-Fi. It will be competing against the 8125 and PPC-6700 (HTC Wizard) in which the 8125 and PPc-6700's will have Wi-Fi. I think the Verizon exclusive is going to attempt what Verizon wants it to to with trying to get others to defect to Verizon to get this device. As I said earlier, being locked to a CDMA carrier and their devices is a deal breaker for me and many others I suspect.

I will likely be happy with the 8125 and Jasjar, but the 700w is an interesting step forward for the platform.


Posted by: Omega2008

I will never be locked down by a CDMA carrier again, however I may get the 700w just to play around with for like 15 days (or whatever the return period is) and just pay for the minutes and data I used.


Posted by: Eric5273

Everyone seems to talk about being "locked down" by a CDMA carrier. But getting out of your contract with Verizon is only $175. Add that to the cost of the subsidized phone, and you will be around what an unlocked KJam cost. So there is no "lock down". You can leave anytime you want. If you are someone who gets a new phone every 6 months or year, then you spend plenty of money on new equipment anyway, so you can chalk up the $175 termination fee as equipment costs. And who knows, maybe the next great device you want will also be on Verizon, and then you won't even have to pay the termination fee.

And what are the advantages of CDMA? EVDO is about 3-4 times the speed of EDGE. That is a very noticeable difference.


Posted by: exchguy

I've got nothing against Verizon or CDMA. Fastest data and supposedly very good service. However, the biggest advantage for me, is being able to switch phones instantly with SIM cards. I can switch my number between my Jasjar and Smartphone easily by swapping the SIM card. Will soon be doing it with the 8125..

I even have the choice to utilize devices that are not offered by the carrier, which is why I am using the Jasjar now. Unfortunately, with CDMA we are not able to do this. Once you get a phone on a CDMA, you are restricted to that phone unless you want to call back the provider and have them change ESN's, etc. This is what we are describing as being locked down.

Sorry, this is completely off topic from the 8125. So i'll stop here.


Posted by: Omega2008

Nope not for me. Not good enough reason for me.

I want to be able to buy any phone (GSM) and just pop my SIM card in it and off I go. I don't want to be stuck to the phones that the carrier offers. Not only that, but I have verizon and was not to impressed. Why should I pay 175 bucks to get out of contract when I want a new phone? When I can save that 175 bucks for something more useful, say accessories or even throw it back for savings torwards the next device I want. I will be damned if I will give Verizon 175 bucks everytime I want to go back to GSM because I want a new phone, why do that when I can stay on Cingular (which I am very happy with) and get a new phone anythime I want, without restrictions and never have to pay anything but the cost of the phone. I may spend plenty of money, but I don't throw it away, which is what you are suggesting. If you have money like that go ahead, but ev-do is not near worth it. Especially since I have wi-if access everywhere I go most of the time.


Posted by: gps

First of all, I'm NOT a man of my word since I'm making another post on this damn phone/device. However, I received som additional info on it today and I'm passing is along to the 5-6 people who appear to really appreciate the info that I'm trying to pass along.

Again, DO NOT go to Vegas and bet on this info.

Apparently, the 8120/25 will be released to the B2B (business sales) group on 12-20. It looks like retail won't have this phone until...MAYBE...1-9-06.

I posted 2125 info in the 2125 thread.

Later,
gps

Omega, I hope you have the ability to get one via B2B...I really want you to have this device...primarily so you can teach us how to hack it!!!