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The old HTC/Cingular 8100 & 8125 smartphone thread

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Posted by: adempsey

I just came from a local Cingular store and talked to the reps there about the 8125... they have it on their pricing lists and according to them they will be receiving them next week. They didn't give me a specific date, but just said for me to come back next week and they will have them in the store.

It sure does seem like the majority of people at Cingular have no clue as to what is going on with this phone, it seems like they change the release date every other hour.


Posted by: RulinSmoove

Quote:
Originally Posted by adempsey
I just came from a local Cingular store and talked to the reps there about the 8125... they have it on their pricing lists and according to them they will be receiving them next week. They didn't give me a specific date, but just said for me to come back next week and they will have them in the store.

It sure does seem like the majority of people at Cingular have no clue as to what is going on with this phone, it seems like they change the release date every other hour.


which store was it, id like to call them and check. wouldnt it be crazy if they told you one thing, but then told me another? wait, no it wouldnt


Posted by: CA

Quote:
Originally Posted by adempsey
I just came from a local Cingular store and talked to the reps there about the 8125... they have it on their pricing lists and according to them they will be receiving them next week. They didn't give me a specific date, but just said for me to come back next week and they will have them in the store.

It sure does seem like the majority of people at Cingular have no clue as to what is going on with this phone, it seems like they change the release date every other hour.
That's the craziest thing I have seen in a long time. A rep saying to come back into a store so another rep(same store or not) can get a commission! What the hell was he thinking or not.

It just pisses me off to hear of reps complaining about commissions and not thinking about handing out cards and getting a contact for a call back.

Hell I would be stealing from the pile and using a demon dialer.


Posted by: RulinSmoove

i just called two stores, and before i can even get my sentence out (do you have any information reguarding the cingular 8125 and/or the release date) they say "NO WE DO NOT."

What a bunch of effin A-Holes. what's even funnier, is that I called about a month ago to the same two stores, and both stores told me they had information on it. I think if it requires the "rep" can you even call them that they are so dumb... i think if there is any work involved with finding an answer to somebody with a question on a phone, they simply ignore it and say whatever to get you off the phone. my .02


Posted by: annapink15

Quote:
Originally Posted by smcassara
EDGE

Enhanced Data for Global Evolution.

An upgrade for GSM/GPRS networks that triples data rates (speed) over standard GPRS.

EDGE is used automatically when both the phone and network support it. EDGE phones will automatically revert to the slower GPRS standard when EDGE service is not available.

Although many EDGE phones and devices are theoretically capable of up to 236 Kbps, most EDGE networks are only configured to allow up to 135 Kbps, to conserve spectrum resources. Real-world data rates are usually lower than the maximum.

Because it is based on existing GSM technology, EDGE is a smooth upgrade for GSM network operators. It also works within existing spectrum, making it ideal for countries without dedicated 3G spectrum, such as the US.

Although EDGE works at a low level within the GSM standard that includes voice, the main benefit is to increase GPRS data rates. GPRS operating over EDGE is called EGPRS.

**completely ripped from phonescoop.com

Thank YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Posted by: ps_benj

Quote:
Originally Posted by adempsey
I just came from a local Cingular store and talked to the reps there about the 8125... they have it on their pricing lists and according to them they will be receiving them next week. They didn't give me a specific date, but just said for me to come back next week and they will have them in the store.

It sure does seem like the majority of people at Cingular have no clue as to what is going on with this phone, it seems like they change the release date every other hour.


Exactly which Cingular store? Do you recall the name of the rep?


Posted by: grifflax

Quote:
Originally Posted by high_tek
I can never get anyone at cingular who knows anything about this phone ... it's like everybody except cingular knows about it


I work at a corporate store and know plenty about it. I sold my K-jam off more than a month ago in anticipation of the 8125 being released at a much lower price. The company itself gives very little internal info on device details, and keeps its employees essentially in the dark just like its customers regarding release dates. Therefore, the average cingular rep has nothing to relay to the tech-hungry geek who is dying to get it. So quit crying and go change your diaper.


Posted by: exchguy

As others on this forum have said, typical retail reps are going to know very little about new phones (unless they are doing research on their own) and won't know anything about them until they show up in the stores. Sometimes, they still don't know anything about them. The issue is that most Windows Mobile phones are considered business/corporate devices. Retail stores don't cater to those devices as much, because they are mostly selling the basic phone to an average user that just wants a voice phone with basic features such as a camera.

Corporate reps tend to have more knowledge, especially if they are reps for larger companies because these are the devices that corporate IT/telco departments are buying for their users.


Posted by: musthaveit

Zachavm,

see this link

http://news.com.com/Cingular+launch..._3-5984005.html

I live In Chicago, and although as of today, laptops only have this ability,,,,,, very soon cell phones will have it. It compares VERY favorably with EVDO speed.
Peace out


Posted by: high_tek

Quote:
Originally Posted by grifflax
So quit crying and go change your diaper.

A lil harsh there poopy pants .. take it easy ... I was making a simple comment about the lack of available info @ cingular from their cs people .. no crying here so go call the waaah..mbulance on sumone else.


Posted by: jlczl

So many folks here posting like they have so much info on their first few posts ever!


Posted by: zachavm

Quote:
Originally Posted by musthaveit
Zachavm,

see this link

http://news.com.com/Cingular+launch..._3-5984005.html

I live In Chicago, and although as of today, laptops only have this ability,,,,,, very soon cell phones will have it. It compares VERY favorably with EVDO speed.
Peace out


I don't know what you know and what you don't so I'm going to say everything (sumed up). Please don't be offended if I try to tell you something you allready know. I just want to make sure we are on the same page.

The new 3G that cingular just launched uses a technology called HSPDA (don't know what it stands for). The technology they use right now is called Edge. Edge averages around 125kb/s. In theory HSPDA could do much faster speeds (faster than evdo), but it might take a while to get up to those speeds (cingular building up network). I don't know what HSPDA is running at now, but I'm sure it's pretty fast.

The issue is that a phone must be compatible with the technology to get those speeds. Right now, I think cingular has pc cards available for use with HSPDA, but no phones. the 8125 is only compatible with edge data use. It would require different hardware to be compatible with HSPDA (I'm pretty sure about this, but it may just be a software issue). Also, the universal is not compatible with cingular's HSPDA (different frequency). Therefor, to use this new HSPDA (3G, high speed) network with phone, the phone would need to be compatible.

This will eventually come in the form of the next cingular ppc phone, or maybe a new version of the 8125 (unlikely). In other words, you won't be able to use the 8125 with it. Sorry! Hope that cleared everything up.

Zach

P.S. sorry to clutter the forum up


Posted by: adempsey

Quote:
Originally Posted by jlczl
So many folks here posting like they have so much info on their first few posts ever!


Just because someone may have very few posts doesn't mean they are a complete idiot and don't know what they are talking about. Give it a rest... I have been following this phone before there was even a topic made here on the boards, and last time I checked it was one's help and intelligence that gave them credibility; not the number of posts they have or amount of time they waste posting on a particular site. Just because someone may post 100 posts a day with a context like "I CAN'T WAIT FOR THE 8125!!!!!11one" means they are street-cred? Yea, OK.


Posted by: musthaveit

Zach,

No offense taken. The information I was told was that it was a software issue and the 8125 would be compatable. After reading that article and others, it infers current and older phones will be able to take advantage of that technology. If I was misinformed, it would'nt be the first time. If what you say is in fact correct, I will wait for Verizon's version.

Thanks


Posted by: ps_benj

Quote:
Originally Posted by high_tek
Has anybody seen this website offering the 8125 for $99.
http://www.benefitdiscount.com/nextjump/


Warning signs for BenefitDiscount.com

Has anyone ( howardforums members with more than 100 posts) ever heard of them or done business with them?

First, the website is pretty pathetic – there is nothing on the home landing page
http://benefitdiscount.com … The URL in a previous post was http://www.benefitdiscount.com/nextjump/ which transfers you to another domain name ipowerweb.com – szome $7.99 month web hosting site.

Second, there is no business address on the website (Where is this business located?)
Third, the rebate form is the same for all wireless phones, all carriers and you must mail it in directly to some unknown 3rd or forth party “WBS – Rebate Fulfillment”
(rebate form url: http://wbswireless.com/rebates/All%...ON-AFFINITY.pdf)

Does anyone feel comfortable purchasing a phone with this outfit?


Posted by: AlpacaBill

ps_benj,

I know I don't have 100+ posts but if you type the "www" into the domain it does come to their home page. It does not containa physical address but alot of e-businesses do not list this info since they run out of a warehouse or even their private residences, which I am not implying is the case here.

Your second link does not take me to the site you listed...ipower whatever. It takes me to the same page as the first when the www is added.

They seem to be legit, at least at face value. There is an 888 number for you to cal if you want to check them out.


Posted by: AlpacaBill

I take that back, I now see what you are referring to with teh ipowerweb thing. All that means is that they do not have their domain locked to the viewing page when their link is to another page. I do not remember what the term for this is called but I know we had it activated on our website for our truck accessory shop. A lot of the info we wanted to share with our customers was directly from the manufacturers' sites and we just linked to them but we masked their domains with our own so that people did not know that they were "leaving" our domain.

Again this does not mean they are not legit just that they are using a cheap hosting service that doesn't offer that option...probably so they can "secretly" advertise their own site by having their domain visible.

I just went to http://wbswireless.com/ which is where the rebate form is hosted. This who they are:

"Wireless Business Solutions, LLC (WBS) is headquartered in McKinney Texas and has been a full-service wireless master dealer since 2002; supporting over 200 partners. We specialize in providing channel partners and their customers with comprehensive professional services coupled with the widest variety of wireless data products.
WBS is one of the only wireless wholesalers in the country to offer Cingular, T-Mobile, and Sprint PCS to our valued partners. We set ourselves apart from our counterparts with the wide range of support we provide; including: website support, data entry, fulfillment, order tracking, partner support, and customer support. We customize our value proposition to fit the needs of each individual partner and we handle all of the back-end support, which allows them to concentrate on what they do best; sell. WBS is able to provide this support at no additional cost to our partners and still maintain the highest commissions due to our volume of sales with each wireless carrier."

Appearently, Benefit Discount must be one of their 200 partners. WBS also provides a physical address as well as phone #'s if you wanted to verify Benefit's info.


Posted by: ps_benj

Something just smells fishy.

Almost like purchasing photography equipment from boiler-room internet outlets.

highly recommended reading:
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=...95&tid=98&tid=1


http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?...&tid=187&tid=17

edit: I'll call the local # tomorrow morning to check out the rebate company.


Posted by: stillrockin

Quote:
Originally Posted by AlpacaBill
I take that back, I now see what you are referring to with teh ipowerweb thing. All that means is that they do not have their domain locked to the viewing page when their link is to another page. I do not remember what the term for this is called but I know we had it activated on our website for our truck accessory shop. A lot of the info we wanted to share with our customers was directly from the manufacturers' sites and we just linked to them but we masked their domains with our own so that people did not know that they were "leaving" our domain.

Again this does not mean they are not legit just that they are using a cheap hosting service that doesn't offer that option...probably so they can "secretly" advertise their own site by having their domain visible.

I just went to http://wbswireless.com/ which is where the rebate form is hosted. This who they are:

"Wireless Business Solutions, LLC (WBS) is headquartered in McKinney Texas and has been a full-service wireless master dealer since 2002; supporting over 200 partners. We specialize in providing channel partners and their customers with comprehensive professional services coupled with the widest variety of wireless data products.
WBS is one of the only wireless wholesalers in the country to offer Cingular, T-Mobile, and Sprint PCS to our valued partners. We set ourselves apart from our counterparts with the wide range of support we provide; including: website support, data entry, fulfillment, order tracking, partner support, and customer support. We customize our value proposition to fit the needs of each individual partner and we handle all of the back-end support, which allows them to concentrate on what they do best; sell. WBS is able to provide this support at no additional cost to our partners and still maintain the highest commissions due to our volume of sales with each wireless carrier."

Appearently, Benefit Discount must be one of their 200 partners. WBS also provides a physical address as well as phone #'s if you wanted to verify Benefit's info.


To have less than 50 posts on HoFo, there is no way you can know all of that!
ipowerweb is one of the best rated hosts out there. Although I currently have no accounts with them, I have used them in the past and they do a great job of offering alot, including service for a very cheap rate. Not everyone, including companies who sell merchandise need to spend $90 a month for hosting . .
that said, I don't think I would buy from them . . . Yea, that is a great price for the phone, but I would question service/support???? When I was ready to buy an imate k-jam one of the things that kept me from it was the nightmares that former customers told about phones that didn't work out of the box and some of the nightmares they have had. Go look at threads right now over in the ppc forums at some of the problems people are having with these same devices. (same motor, different body, all built by the same company) If I can continue practicing patience, I am going to save money (Vs. K-jam) and have just a little more piece of mind . . . My $.2


Posted by: UBetchya

I've always thought that if something seems too good to be true, it probably isn't. I think this may be a scam to steal identities. Maybe I'm being paranoid but it seems like they're asking for quite a bit of personal info including your drivers license number when you go to the phone order form. Ordering service directly from Cingular does prompt you for you SSN (for credit check purposes) but doesn't ask for your drivers license number.

Also, if this is something to do with http://www.nextjump.com/ then it seems that only those that are employeed by a company that subscribed to their service are eligible.


Posted by: substring

I never shop at those "fly-by-the-night" web sites. Every Jane, Jack, and Harry can build a web site from their basement or garage. And I totally agree that when it sounds too good to be true, it usually is. I rather deal with Cingular directly.


Posted by: stillrockin

Quote:
Originally Posted by substring
I never shop at those "fly-by-the-night" web sites. Every Jane, Jack, and Harry can build a web site from their basement or garage. And I totally agree that when it sounds too good to be true, it usually is. I rather deal with Cingular directly.


Although i agree 100% with your philosophy, take a look at this site:
http://www.dweiniger.com/

This looks like a "fly by night" web site to me, but then do a search for him in these forums, and read the countless praise that this guy working out of his house recieves . . this guy is all about Customer service! He updates his customers almost daily, whether he has any real news or not . . Someone who loves what he does and is making a little money doing it . . . That is where these forums do come in handy. Nothing like learning from the experience of others . . .

Peace and Grace!


Posted by: chefjim756

I contacted the link everyone is wary about, they seem to be a legit company, but until I do business with them or hear otherwise I don't think I would label them as an identity theft company. If you are a business that gets lots of cell phones, it is not unusual for them to ask for your SSN.

The company's website is here www.wbswireless.com

I have no clue whether they are full of it or not, but the prices are in line for most of the phones and the rebate programs that I am familar with. They list the 8125 as coming on Dec 20th, however this endless thread is good proof that that might not really happen on that date.

I spoke to the sales rep there yesterday, she was very polite and professional. She responded to me today;

I spoke with my supervisor and we have an ETA for the C8125. Dec. 20th, just like you mentioned. We are also taking preorders. We will be looking into your request today and I will have the plans that are available and the prices for each phone to you by the end of today. However I did look at that link and I have a personal favor. As a customer would you mention that we do have an ETA from a very reliable source and that we are taking preorders if anyone is interested. They will receive the discount on the phone and a free car charger for their wait. We are very customer oriented and we want to make sure that you and your company is taken care of. I will get back with you later today and hope you have a great day!


So you can believe her or not. The only problem I see is if her preorders require a deposit, I don't want to commit my companies resources and then have to wait on my phones.


Posted by: chefjim756

Also I have always dealt with Cingular directly for all our phones after we decide what program we are going to do, but we always by our from a rep like wireless business solutions, the cost is always much less


Posted by: substring

Quote:
Originally Posted by stillrockin
Although i agree 100% with your philosophy, take a look at this site:
http://www.dweiniger.com/

This looks like a "fly by night" web site to me, but then do a search for him in these forums, and read the countless praise that this guy working out of his house recieves...
Sorry, but if they have a long track record, they are not considered as "fly-by-the-night". The web site in question was not even available yesterday. I visited it and it was blank. Another posters posted this problem and then the web site was fixed. A little too strange to me.

Quote:
Originally Posted by chefjim756
I spoke to the sales rep there yesterday, she was very polite and professional. She responded to me today;

I spoke with my supervisor and we have an ETA for the C8125. Dec. 20th, just like you mentioned. We are also taking preorders...
That is great news. I will call them today to find out. I am an existing customer. So I wonder if there is any incentive?


Posted by: fowen

Do you have a name and extension for the rep you spoke to about the preorder?


Posted by: TreoBangla

Just spoke to our B2B Rep who said that although they have no exact dates, it is expected before Christmas.


Posted by: stillrockin

[QUOTE=substring]Sorry, but if they have a long track record, they are not considered as "fly-by-the-night". The web site in question was not even available yesterday. I visited it and it was blank. Another posters posted this problem and then the web site was fixed. A little too strange to me. QUOTE]

By the way, Cingular's site does me that way all the time . . . (disappears/shows blank pages . . .)
I guess that makes them a fly by night site too . . . . thanks for the heads up! I know now exactly what to look for . . .

Back on topic, whats the weather doing where you live?


Posted by: Lurchy24

Never posted before. Thanks everyone for all the info.

Was looking around the cingular developer forums. Under all devices, they have one listed as the "Info Tech Wizard" with no photo. I don't have a login to see if it is the 8125. Just interested to see if there is any additional info within regarding the device.

http://developer.cingular.com/devel...vices/all.jhtml


Posted by: substring

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lurchy24
Never posted before. Thanks everyone for all the info.

Was looking around the cingular developer forums. Under all devices, they have one listed as the "Info Tech Wizard" with no photo. I don't have a login to see if it is the 8125. Just interested to see if there is any additional info within regarding the device.

http://developer.cingular.com/devel...vices/all.jhtml
This is probably not the same device because it supports 850 MHz and 1900 MHz only. I believe the 8125 is quad-band.


Posted by: Raven77

Anyone have any luck with "preordering" from cingular yet? I thought today was the day...


Posted by: AngelJo008

Quote:
Originally Posted by Raven77
Anyone have any luck with "preordering" from cingular yet? I thought today was the day...

would that be for only B2B or anyone as far as preorders go?


Posted by: Raven77

Quote:
Originally Posted by AngelJo008
would that be for only B2B or anyone as far as preorders go?

Yea I think so. It was talked about a few pages back, I have no info on it.



Posted by: chefjim756

Okay,

No one needs to call WBS wireless/benefit discount or any of there reps. They are a major dealer who does large volume discounts for large companies. They don't handle any individual consumer orders. They will handle business orders only, and the rebates you saw on the benefit discount link are from a private company link that directed employees to a program that was available for them.

If you are truly business customer and want to work with this company you will essentially get the same pricing you see on the cingular sites. They seem very nice and they are not a fly-by night operation.

In my case I need to migrate from cing blue gsm to cing orange gsm, and although I want the 8125, it is better to do what I am doing directly with cing than with a 3r party provider.

I feel bad for this company, this blog has produced a lot of irresponsible speculation about the integrity of their services.


Posted by: james_san

Tried three numbers...Premier Acct (B2B) number, the 866-CINGULAR number, and the "Blue Tiger" Migration team number. No luck. Dont take preorder. ETA, according to the BT Team, is about a week.


Posted by: bikemanj7

Yea i also tried calling B2B to see if they were taking pre orders, but still no word and the rep had not even heard of it yet? so yea...


Posted by: Quantyoda

Just called a Cingular store in the Denver area. Sales rep had no idea what I was talking about when I asked when the 8125 would be available. He found it on phonescoop and said "that looks pretty sweet". I asked him how many phones do you think you will get when it arrives. He said "maybe 1 or 2". He said if they sell well they would get more. I asked if he gets any advance notice when they will arrive. He said "no".


Posted by: substring

I called Cingular's customer service. They have no information on release date. She asked me to call again next week.

When I asked her about incentive for existing customer, she said I will be eligible for discount. The percentage will depend....in another word, it is negotiable.

Yippie!


Posted by: cobalt233

I could not wait any longer so picked up a K-Jam from wirelessimports.com (great to do business with by the way)
Today i finally had to revert to my old phone as this locks up tight as a drum whenever it is left in locked mode. I have reflashed the ROM and worked with tec support from clubimate to no avail.

impressions after 5 days:
Pros:
- nice screen
- nice keyboard

Cons:
- thicker and heavier than I was expecting
- definitely not good for one handed use (MSFT VoiceCommand is a must)
- the MSFT Smartphone has a better interface
- poor placement of softkeys and cursor keys (way too low on phone)
- poor speakerphone
- OS gets quite sluggish at times
- unstable OS

In conclusion I am not sure I will keep this as I sure miss the portability and usability of my Audiovox 5600


Posted by: rjmaiorano

Im anxious as hell about this thing as are all of you.... I've been hearing things about a 20th of december release date. Does anyone know anything about this or have any verfication of the date?

Also, anyone who has tried the device, how does the WiFi work?
Thanks


Posted by: duchski

Just to make sure, there is a new SKYPE PPC client released, based on feedback it works on Wizard even in CPU intensive version:

http://www.skype.com/products/skype/pocketpc/


Now we only need a phone.........


Posted by: CA

Quote:
Originally Posted by duchski
Just to make sure, there is a new SKYPE PPC client released, based on feedback it works on Wizard even in CPU intensive version:

http://www.skype.com/products/skype/pocketpc/


Now we only need a phone.........
What will they think of next?

If that thing works with HSDPA and WiFI without carrier switches and the 8125 your going to get stoned. And I mean head/rocks.

BTW; Yahoo messenger with voice(.01/min) is around the Corner.


Posted by: gordonp3

Do any of you that have had the opportunity to play with an 8125 know if while you are using the wi fi connection, if you can receive calls.

A friend of mine has a Samsung I730 that he had to registry hack to enable the phone during wi fi sessions.


Posted by: tremcotexas

"know if while you are using the wi fi connection, if you can receive calls"

Yes, it will take a call while on WI-FI. I have QTEK 9100 and it receives calls while I am surfing. WI-FI is excellent on this device (as long as cingular has not messed with it too much). EDGE speeds are also excellent. Speakerphone is terrific on my phone; however, I have had some complaints from individuals I am speaking with. Bluetooth works great on my Range Rover Sport (although I do not have contacts capability on radio). Camera is not that great (who cares). Overall, you should be excited... This is by far the most capable and compact device I have ever had. I could go on and on over how impressive this thing is. Phone reception is better than my regular old nokia. Get READY- you should love it!!


Posted by: hospitalityprof

Hello Folks-

I too have been waiting anxiously for the release of the 8125. This morning my corporate office informed me of a 15% discount that I am eligible for if I choose Sprint as my carrier. We do not have the same deal with Cing. I could go out this evening and have a PPC 6700 in hand and a discounted new Sprint account.

Here's my 2 questions:
Q1: Aside from the antenna nub, what are the hardware and software differences between the PPC6700 and the Cing 8125?
Q2: What are the newtwork differnces (EDGE, CDMA, etc.)? I am not too dim, but nor am I a telecom expert, so any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.


Posted by: substring

Quote:
Originally Posted by hospitalityprof
Here's my 2 questions:
Q1: Aside from the antenna nub, what are the hardware and software differences between the PPC6700 and the Cing 8125?
Q2: What are the newtwork differnces (EDGE, CDMA, etc.)? I am not too dim, but nor am I a telecom expert, so any advice would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
GSM and CDMA are the two main wireless technologies for transmitting voice. EDGE is the data transmission technology that works with GSM network. GSM is widely used in Europe and US. CDMA is used in US and Asian countries like Korea. China is jumping onto the CDMA bandwagon as well and it may or may not tip the balance. Only time can tell.

As far as I know, there is no mobile device that can use both GSM and CDMA. It is an "either or" choice. And for some unknown reasons, very few CDMA devices use PocketPC or Windows Mobile as the OS. Most of them use Palm OS. On the other hand, GSM devices are predominently on Windows.

The current data transmission technology on CDMA is faster than GSM's. But unless you are heavily online with your mobile device, you probably can't tell the difference. On the voice side, they are the same. Therefore, IMHO, it really boils down to what device you like and which carrier you prefer.

By the way, I have some friends who use Sprint. They told me the reception is not good and they have drop calls. Since I never have Sprint, so I cannot confirm that. ATTWS used to have great reception until they were acquired by Cingular. That's the main reason why I am looking for another device because the 1900Mhz spectrum is going downhill every day. I don't know how good Cingular's reception is and I guess I will find out.


Posted by: duchski

Anyone knows the FCC ID of this device, it maybe on one of the pictures, I just can't find it.


Posted by: smcassara

the 8125 price is confirmed on the new sell sheet effective date 12.26.05

299 after 50 mir 2yr
374 after 50 mir 1yr
544 no commitment


Posted by: ajpprc

And he said the phone was only a few days from release, fwiw.


Posted by: AngelJo008

Quote:
Originally Posted by duchski
Anyone knows the FCC ID of this device, it maybe on one of the pictures, I just can't find it.



FCC ID# NM8WZ approved July 26, 2005

from phonescoop


Posted by: RulinSmoove

i really dont think we will see this phone until jan in my honest opinion. hopefully im wrong


Posted by: duchski

Quote:
Originally Posted by AngelJo008
FCC ID# NM8WZ approved July 26, 2005

from phonescoop


Thanks,

Here is the user manual:

https://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/oet/...tive_or_pdf=pdf


Posted by: butzchan

This doesn't even come with a charging cradle?? Wow...The Sprint version does.


Posted by: CeluGeek

Quote:
Originally Posted by butzchan
This doesn't even come with a charging cradle?? Wow...The Sprint version does.

The Sprint version also comes with a huge and ugly antenna.


Posted by: duchski

Quote:
Originally Posted by butzchan
This doesn't even come with a charging cradle?? Wow...The Sprint version does.



Cool, we will know where to get it then )


Posted by: jahern

Quote:
Originally Posted by substring

By the way, I have some friends who use Sprint. They told me the reception is not good and they have drop calls. Since I never have Sprint, so I cannot confirm that. ATTWS used to have great reception until they were acquired by Cingular. That's the main reason why I am looking for another device because the 1900Mhz spectrum is going downhill every day. I don't know how good Cingular's reception is and I guess I will find out.


FYI - when I just replaced another phone last week, Cingular gave me a new SIM card that was designed for use with the combined AT&T/Cingular network. They said the new card would improve performance. I don't know if it is true or not, but this could be why you commented that your performance has gone down since the merger. Perhaps you can go to a Cingular store and get a new SIM card. It's worth a shot.


Posted by: CA

Quote:
Originally Posted by tremcotexas
"know if while you are using the wi fi connection, if you can receive calls"

Yes, it will take a call while on WI-FI. I have QTEK 9100 and it receives calls while I am surfing. WI-FI is excellent on this device (as long as cingular has not messed with it too much). EDGE speeds are also excellent. Speakerphone is terrific on my phone; however, I have had some complaints from individuals I am speaking with. Bluetooth works great on my Range Rover Sport (although I do not have contacts capability on radio). Camera is not that great (who cares). Overall, you should be excited... This is by far the most capable and compact device I have ever had. I could go on and on over how impressive this thing is. Phone reception is better than my regular old nokia. Get READY- you should love it!!
I believe Verizon disables calls while using WiFi and I think it's a CDMA Verizon phone he is talking about.


Posted by: substring

Quote:
Originally Posted by jahern
FYI - when I just replaced another phone last week, Cingular gave me a new SIM card that was designed for use with the combined AT&T/Cingular network. They said the new card would improve performance. I don't know if it is true or not, but this could be why you commented that your performance has gone down since the merger. Perhaps you can go to a Cingular store and get a new SIM card. It's worth a shot.
jahern, thanks for the information. The problem is the limitation of my device. SX56 only work on 1900Mhz spectrum. As you know, Cingular does not use 1900. Therefore, I seriously doubt they are unkeeping the 1900Mhz network. If you don't upkeep the system, it will deteriate.

The SX56 is a great device. Just that it does not have bluetooth nor WiFi. I am ready to move on and I want to get this 8125 instead.

Again, thanks for information.


Posted by: CeluGeek

Quote:
Originally Posted by duchski
Quote:
Originally Posted by butzchan
This doesn't even come with a charging cradle?? Wow...The Sprint version does.
Cool, we will know where to get it then )

Maybe Cingular can come with a Fast Forward craddle.


Posted by: mspingeld

fwiw-I went from ATT to Cingular and bought an MPX220 at the same time. A new SIM card was part of the deal. I noticed a considerable improvement in reception. Don't know if it was the new phone or the new SIM card but I'm happy as a Cingular customer. Been waiting for something like the 8125 for a while and with GSM I can switch back and forth. Some days I need a smaller phone, some days I need the power of a full PDA with Edge & wi-fi.


Posted by: leporaj

could be old news...called CustCare (bus) and they do see it on their pricing grid...but thats it. Shows them a list of features for it. So at least if we ask cing to look on what she called her "PRICING GRID", it should show the status of the phone...from what she told me of corse..a coming soon status


Posted by: blueshockeynut

Guys, I hate to do this to everyone but at least alot of us out there are trying to keep everyone in the loop on this.

Well a little BAD NEWS Friday for everyone who is waiting on the 8125.

I just got done talking with my contact tech, the 8125 has been delayed for at least 3 more weeks, but before everyone gets in an uproar here is what is going on: A quality issue with the radio has surfaced, A PDP context issue that HTC has to go back and fix. This means at least a 3 week slip and a new ROM build, by the way, the ROMS on these are huge, the update I am getting on CD is 52mb in size.

I also found out about a couple of other devices on the cusp for next year in the 2nd/3rd Qtr time frame.

More to follow as soon as I get more info.

JB

Sorry everyone.


Posted by: Free Man

Have you noticed any improvement in signal strenth since this new card? Anyone else able to go into a store and swap out for one of the new cards and if so...what do you ask for, look for????

Quote:
Originally Posted by jahern
FYI - when I just replaced another phone last week, Cingular gave me a new SIM card that was designed for use with the combined AT&T/Cingular network. They said the new card would improve performance. I don't know if it is true or not, but this could be why you commented that your performance has gone down since the merger. Perhaps you can go to a Cingular store and get a new SIM card. It's worth a shot.



Posted by: Free Man

Anyone know if you could use the charging cradle from the Sprint PCS 6700 on the new 8250 Cingular unit????

Quote:
Originally Posted by butzchan
This doesn't even come with a charging cradle?? Wow...The Sprint version does.



Posted by: exchguy

Quote:
Originally Posted by blueshockeynut
Guys, I hate to do this to everyone but at least alot of us out there are trying to keep everyone in the loop on this.

Well a little BAD NEWS Friday for everyone who is waiting on the 8125.

I just got done talking with my contact tech, the 8125 has been delayed for at least 3 more weeks, but before everyone gets in an uproar here is what is going on: A quality issue with the radio has surfaced, A PDP context issue that HTC has to go back and fix. This means at least a 3 week slip and a new ROM build, by the way, the ROMS on these are huge, the update I am getting on CD is 52mb in size.

I also found out about a couple of other devices on the cusp for next year in the 2nd/3rd Qtr time frame.

More to follow as soon as I get more info.

JB

Sorry everyone.

This is really bad to hear. Another reason why Cingular cant seem to get it together on their Q/A side of things, especially since this device has been delayed several times already. Realistically, we are likely looking at a mid-late Jan release with this.

I hate to say it, but I'll bet the Moto Q and Treo 700w from Verizon are going to be on the shelves before this and those are really going to turn some heads to help increase Verizon's business. Very bad news for Cingular. Especially since Sprint has had a comparable device out for 4 months now!


Posted by: pgray007

I can't figure out why Cingular has such a hard time releasing new, cutting edge phones. Every time they get an exclusive on a phone, or at least have the chance to be a first mover, they seem to delay the release so long they have an exclusive for about 2 weeks.

The other thing I can't understand is their hesitance to build up hype for a device. I think Verizon did exactly the right thing with the 700w. Get the exclusive deal on the phone, and hype the hell out of it before release. If I didn't have to travel internationally, the 700w on Verizon would really start looking like the way to go.


Posted by: butzchan

Wow. One reason I switched from Sprint to Cingular was the fact that Sprint was always a few steps behind in technology. Now it seems that the tables are turned. This device will probably be out with Verizon before Cingular manages to get it together......pathetic.


Posted by: bikemanj7

Dude! Whats The Deal!!!!! That Sucks


Posted by: Jakaroe808

<Cingular, that is all I have to say.. Oh yeah, and this>


Posted by: zachavm

Wow, considering I was planing on returning my newly aquired 2125 for the 8125. I think I might be in trouble. doh!!!


Posted by: soaringMoe

Quote:
Originally Posted by exchguy
This is really bad to hear. Another reason why Cingular cant seem to get it together on their Q/A side of things, especially since this device has been delayed several times already. Realistically, we are likely looking at a mid-late Jan release with this.


Not that I approve of Cingular's devlopment model and planning, but their Q/A did exactly what they were supposed to do! They found the problem before it hit the street and they are doing the right thing by not releasing it with the flaw and fixing it. This costs them tons of money, but they are doing the right thing (at least in this instance).


Posted by: butzchan

I am starting to wonder if this phone will see that same fate as the Moto MPX300.


Posted by: Rock3nrenigade

All the phones I want end up being crappy LOL


Posted by: nskgti23

Where are you getting your info? When I talked to my contacts they haven't heard of any more delays...



Quote:
Originally Posted by blueshockeynut
Guys, I hate to do this to everyone but at least alot of us out there are trying to keep everyone in the loop on this.

Well a little BAD NEWS Friday for everyone who is waiting on the 8125.

I just got done talking with my contact tech, the 8125 has been delayed for at least 3 more weeks, but before everyone gets in an uproar here is what is going on: A quality issue with the radio has surfaced, A PDP context issue that HTC has to go back and fix. This means at least a 3 week slip and a new ROM build, by the way, the ROMS on these are huge, the update I am getting on CD is 52mb in size.

I also found out about a couple of other devices on the cusp for next year in the 2nd/3rd Qtr time frame.

More to follow as soon as I get more info.

JB

Sorry everyone.



Posted by: dstrauss

Quote:
Originally Posted by butzchan
I am starting to wonder if this phone will see that same fate as the Moto MPX300.


I can't believe that because the i-Mate K-Jam and Qtek 9100 are already working "Unlocked" on the Cingular network according to other users. So why should the 8125 belly flop?


Posted by: butzchan

It has already been delayed for over a month....and possibly for another month. Outlook is not promising.


Posted by: Free Man

Last night I spoke with B2B, he had to really look and contact corporate to find out anything about the unit. In the end there was no pricing of any sort, but he was able to find out that it was in a "pending" status which doesn't mean anything except they don't have a release date.


Posted by: CA

I am just wondering what will happen now that Microsoft is being sued over the push email technology they will be using on the phone. I know the 2125 has been released, but can they be waiting with this phone for a resolution?

BTW; this is similar to what is happening to BB.


Posted by: jeslevine

Quote:
Originally Posted by soaringMoe
Not that I approve of Cingular's devlopment model and planning, but their Q/A did exactly what they were supposed to do! They found the problem before it hit the street and they are doing the right thing by not releasing it with the flaw and fixing it. This costs them tons of money, but they are doing the right thing (at least in this instance).


This is non-trivial software. What do people want, a phone released that has bugs in it?


Posted by: dday64

I really want this phone too, but I'm alright with the delay (if there is one). For one I don't have the money yet anyway - it is Christmas after all!

And I've always seen Cingular as the Apple of cell phones - not telling customers what's new until it's out. I don't like that business practice, but I guess it works for them.

And with a phone that doesn't have a definite release date stated by Cingular, how can you get mad at them for delaying it? Maybe that's why it didn't have a date - so Cingular didn't upset anyone if something like this happened.


Posted by: nskgti23

These delays (if there is another one, which I don't believe there will be) have absolutely NOTHING to do with the Microsoft/Visto suit.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonix
I am just wondering what will happen now that Microsoft is being sued over the push email technology they will be using on the phone. I know the 2125 has been released, but can they be waiting with this phone for a resolution?

BTW; this is similar to what is happening to BB.



Posted by: exchguy

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeslevine
This is non-trivial software. What do people want, a phone released that has bugs in it?

I guess the curious thing is that according to the poster, there is a big problem with the radio requiring them to push it back 3-4 weeks. The K-Jam and Qtek have been out since October and have been working fine on Cingular.

And, there will still be bugs when this is released. With every Windows Mobile device I've had there are plenty of them.


Posted by: rkdiddy

Quote:
Originally Posted by exchguy
I guess the curious thing is that according to the poster, there is a big problem with the radio requiring them to push it back 3-4 weeks. The K-Jam and Qtek have been out since October and have been working fine on Cingular.

And, there will still be bugs when this is released. With every Windows Mobile device I've had there are plenty of them.


Maybe they need to add a "hump" to the top of it!


Posted by: zachavm

Quote:
Originally Posted by nskgti23
These delays (if there is another one, which I don't believe there will be) have absolutely NOTHING to do with the Microsoft/Visto suit.


Well I guess this goes to show we shouldn't overreact about one post. Let's be paitient and see if nskgti gets the same info. It shouldn't take long as it was supposed to be out on the 20th.

Zach


Posted by: blueshockeynut

Quote:
Originally Posted by nskgti23
Where are you getting your info? When I talked to my contacts they haven't heard of any more delays...



You might want to check with them again, I just found Friday afternoon, one of the guys i deal with works directly with the Q&A folks alot, it seems that everytime I am on the phone with him I am telling things to pass on to the Q&A folks, I am hoping to have a meeting setup with some of them after the first of the year.

JB


Posted by: Perceptions

Quote:
Originally Posted by blueshockeynut
A quality issue with the radio has surfaced, A PDP context issue that HTC has to go back and fix.

PDP context issue? Do you mind explaining that to us simple folk?

I assume they went and fixed the signal indicator since it has been a small issue with the Wizards. Basically what happens is that after a time of being in an area without service the phone will indicate it has no reception even after it acquires a signal. A soft reset usually takes care of the problem but it is annoying.

I hope that they have resolved the GPRS connection problems that Wizard owners are experiencing. The phone will indicate it is connected to GPRS but will not connect to an exchange server or surf the internet. Again a soft reset is needed in order to fix the problem.


Posted by: stac


it doesn't require a soft reboot... only that you reboot the radio... put the radio in 'flight mode' and take it out of flight mode...


Posted by: jtatum

The PDP context is the access point name and protocol type used in establishing a GPRS connection.


Posted by: Omega2008

I am for one glad that they are fixing the issue, I rather have the delay and have a working device with minimal flaws. Having problems with data is a issue I wouldn't want to deal with since I use data access heavily.


Posted by: Perceptions

Quote:
Originally Posted by stac
it doesn't require a soft reboot... only that you reboot the radio... put the radio in 'flight mode' and take it out of flight mode...

Thats another problem....

IF you quickly switch flight mode on and off the phone gets stuck in limbo and the radio will not turn on.


Posted by: high_tek

I am fine with any necessary delays. I would rather that, than a device that does not work properly. Besides, cingular has not given a release date ,and now you see why, they are trying to avoid disappointment. So to all those calling cingular out as sucky, life must be full of disappointments for you. Just be cool it'll get here. Trust , I need a new phone badly , 9 times out of 10 ,my motorola doesn't charge right and I end up with a dead phone. But as bad as I need one, what can I do. Maybe I will go get the 2125 or sx66 or whatever and turn it in before the 30 days.


Posted by: substring

Quote:
Originally Posted by Omega2008
I am for one glad that they are fixing the issue, I rather have the delay and have a working device with minimal flaws. Having problems with data is a issue I wouldn't want to deal with since I use data access heavily.
I totally agree. Why would I want to get a device that has defect on it? So that I can show my friends I spent a lot of money for something that is broken? So that they can laugh at me? I am not in that big of a hurry.

Furthermore, this defect issue has not yet been confirmed. It could be just a rumor.


Posted by: munchcolo

I've been reading on here that the 8125 may be available sooner to B2B customers. How does one qualify to be classified as a B2B customer? Is that just for medium to large businesses? I am a solo practicioner attorney and use my cell phone in my law practice.


Posted by: bikemanj7

20th PLEASE!!!


Posted by: blueshockeynut

Quote:
Originally Posted by Perceptions
Thats another problem....

IF you quickly switch flight mode on and off the phone gets stuck in limbo and the radio will not turn on.


That issues that Perceptions is talking about are correct, I have run into both problems on the 8125 I have been testing for the last 2 weeks, its almost like the system wants to stay connected but really cant, which seems to cause the radio to "crap out" in a manner of speaking, I am currently waiting on one of the new ROM updates and will hopefully get it Monday.

JB


Posted by: Free Man

Strange, I would have thought the radio technology would be very similar, if not the same, to the the Qtek 8100 and the iMate KJam that just came out are more or less clones...why are there no issues with users on the board? It's just very odd that the Cingular branded phone is the only apparent victim of all these problems. Either way, we'll have to wait and see.


Posted by: AngelJo008

Quote:
Originally Posted by Free Man
Strange, I would have thought the radio technology would be very similar, if not the same, to the the Qtek 8100 and the iMate KJam that just came out are more or less clones...why are there no issues with users on the board? It's just very odd that the Cingular branded phone is the only apparent victim of all these problems. Either way, we'll have to wait and see.


btw--that's the Qtek 9100 not 8100

and I was thinking the VERY same thing....why would a phone being release by cingular have this kind of issue (unless they've messed with it as usual) and the other phones such as the dopod 838, O2 mini s, k-jam, and Qtek 9100 which have been out for over 2 months and have been used on the cingular network just fine, have no or very few issues? This doesn't make sense.


Posted by: CA

Quote:
Originally Posted by nskgti23
These delays (if there is another one, which I don't believe there will be) have absolutely NOTHING to do with the Microsoft/Visto suit.
Thank you for clarifying that for me as I just see this.
Quote:
Visto sues Microsoft over wireless email patents
News
Visto accuses Microsoft of routinely stealing technologies from smaller companies

Visto has filed a lawsuit against Microsoft, accusing it of improper use of patented Visto technologies in Microsoft's software for accessing email from phones and other wireless devices.

The action kicks off another legal battle in the wireless email market. Research in Motion (RIM) is currently defending a suit brought by NTP, which says RIM used NTP technology patents illegally in RIM's BlackBerry email devices. Just yesterday, Visto said it had licensed those patents from NTP.

Visto's suit, filed in the US District Court for the Eastern District of Texas, seeks unspecified monetary damages and a permanent injunction preventing Microsoft from shipping the software in question, Windows Mobile 5.0. Visto called the product "a blatant infringement on Visto's patented technology".

It also accused the software maker of routinely stealing technologies from smaller companies and settling subsequent court cases with hefty payments.

A spokeswoman for Microsoft in the UK was not immediately able to comment on the suit.

Visto's software is used by carriers including Cingular Wireless LLC, Sprint Nextel and Vodafone Group PLC. Its lawsuit accuses Microsoft of infringing on three US patents in particular. They are patent No. 6,085,192, titled "System And Method For Securely Synchronizing Multiple Copies Of A Workspace Element In A Network;" No. 6,708,221, "System And Method For Globally And Securely Accessing Unified Information In A Computer Network," and No. 6,151,606, "System And Method For Using A Workspace Data Manager To Access, Manipulate And Synchronize Network Data."

Patents can be viewed by searching the US Patent and Trademark Office website, at http://www.uspto.gov/


And it specifically mentions permanent injunction.

Quote:
Visto's suit, filed in the US District Court for the Eastern District of Texas, seeks unspecified monetary damages and a permanent injunction preventing Microsoft from shipping the software in question, Windows Mobile 5.0. Visto called the product "a blatant infringement on Visto's patented technology".
I do realize both Microsoft and Cingular may chose to run her without and deal with the consequences later, but in the least it isn't going to look good in court for either party to release new products after the suit was filed. Just an opinion and I do realize you know better.


Posted by: dday64

They can release products up to the point the judge tells them to stop.

Just look at RIMs ongoing issues


Posted by: stuXstu

Quote:
Originally Posted by dday64
They can release products up to the point the judge tells them to stop.

Just look at RIMs ongoing issues


Goes along with that "innocent till proven guilty" thing..... The plantiff is not correct until a judge/jury agrees.


Posted by: CA

Quote:
Originally Posted by stuXstu
Goes along with that "innocent till proven guilty" thing..... The plantiff is not correct until a judge/jury agrees.
Another problem now that the case is public Cingular can't say we no nothing. I'm not sure it's relevant but you can bet your bottom dollar Cingular for one will be named in the suits for their duplicity.

Remember selling stolen things is a crime.


Posted by: Perceptions

Quote:
Originally Posted by blueshockeynut
That issues that Perceptions is talking about are correct, I have run into both problems on the 8125 I have been testing for the last 2 weeks, its almost like the system wants to stay connected but really cant, which seems to cause the radio to "crap out" in a manner of speaking, I am currently waiting on one of the new ROM updates and will hopefully get it Monday.

JB

Have they implemented the MSFP in your latest rom? Microsoft release the pack to ODM/OEMs about three weeks ago so I assume they should be close to implementing them in new ROMs.


Posted by: sainswor99

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonix
Another problem now that the case is public Cingular can't say we no nothing. I'm not sure it's relevant but you can bet your bottom dollar Cingular for one will be named in the suits for their duplicity.

Remember selling stolen things is a crime.


I realize I'm new here (first post), but I've been following this thread for weeks; however, this is the first post that has motivated me to join in on the discussion.

I'm not going to say whether or not Microsoft infringed a patent because I don't know; I do know that accusing a company of selling stolen goods is libelous. Trademark law is tricky when it comes to software, because LEGALLY that software is not "stolen" (bad term, but whatever) until the copyright infringement is proven. Microsoft may have to halt shipment of Windows Moblie 5.0 until the case is cleared, but that does not mean that companies like HTC and Cingular have to stop shipping devices that have already been released to them.

If the infringement is upheld (and not settled out of court by Microsoft; 40 billion in cash can settle a lot of disagreements), Cingular and HTC could then countersue Microsoft for supplying them with "damaged goods"; there is no legal reason at this time for them to delay shipping on a product. They may not be able to meet demand if the suit goes forward and HTC is unableto keep building the devices, but to assume "duplicity" is a bit hair-triggered.


Posted by: CA

Quote:
assume "duplicity" is a bit hair-triggered.
Cingular in fact does know about these issues as they are involved in a similar situation with RIM. I would have a hard time believing that the people from other competitors would not of advised Cingular of this potential trap at least for their own gain. Of course Cingular may be that stupid.

I never said Cingular was selling stolen goods. Even if I had my possible "libelous" activity would be the least of anyone's problems. Some consumers may not chose to deal with, and may even resent, the appearance of such activity.

I would invite Microsoft or Cingular to sue me as I could use any judgment money that could come my way.


Posted by: sainswor99

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonix
Cingular in fact does know about these issues as they are involved in a similar situation with RIM. I would have a hard time believing that the people from other competitors would not of advised Cingular of this potential trap at least for their own gain. Of course Cingular may be that stupid.


Well, of course they know; Cingular uses the Vista solution for it's own delivery mechanism. Still not a legal issue, or a reason to "bet my bottom dollar" that they will be somehow pulled in as a co-defendant into the suit.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonix
I never said Cingular was selling stolen goods.


Sorry, I assumed that's what you meant by the last line of your previous post. My bad.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonix
Even if I had my possible "libelous" activity would be the least of anyone's problems. Some consumers may not chose to deal with, and may even resent, the appearance of such activity.
I agree with you; Cingular may make a BUSINESS decision to avoid impropriety, but that's not a LEGAL one. In fact, your inclusion of such an out proves my point that you really were just pulling your assertion out of the air. It's ok; it's an opinion. You're allowed to have them

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonix
I would invite Microsoft or Cingular to sue me as I could use any judgment money that could come my way.


At least we can both agree on that


Posted by: CA

Check this out you can now D/L Skype to a WM5(8125) phone and use WiFi and 3G for calling, talking and IM for ~free. Can Google top that.
http://www.skype.com/products/skype/pocketpc/
http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000110073053/


Posted by: jetli

With delay after delay. I think disappointment is an understatement at this point. I remmeber thinking back in November, January? HAH! Thats ridiculous. That's a quarter of a year from now. By then my paper drawing of a phone would be made into a working model, this phone that has similar cousins already out in the US carriers since November (Sprint PPC-6700) would definitely be out before then. Right... RIGHT?

WRONG.

We should ban threads like this in the future for the sanity of the public. I bet we will reach 2000 posts and the phone will still not be released. Think about it. 2000 posts. Assuming it takes one minute on average to read each one and process the information contained within, that is 33 hours of precious life of us faithful followers of this thread have wasted.

Make that 33 hours and a minute.

Sorry but i just had to vent.


Posted by: nskgti23

There has been 1 delay and officially there haven't been ANY delays because Cingular hasn't said when it would release the device...

So chill out...



Quote:
Originally Posted by jetli
With delay after delay. I think disappointment is an understatement at this point. I remmeber thinking back in November, January? HAH! Thats ridiculous. That's a quarter of a year from now. By then my paper drawing of a phone would be made into a working model, this phone that has similar cousins already out in the US carriers since November (Sprint PPC-6700) would definitely be out before then. Right... RIGHT?

WRONG.

We should ban threads like this in the future for the sanity of the public. I bet we will reach 2000 posts and the phone will still not be released. Think about it. 2000 posts. Assuming it takes one minute on average to read each one and process the information contained within, that is 33 hours of precious life of us faithful followers of this thread have wasted.

Make that 33 hours and a minute.

Sorry but i just had to vent.



Posted by: jetli

Quote:
Originally Posted by nskgti23
There has been 1 delay and officially there haven't been ANY delays because Cingular hasn't said when it would release the device...

So chill out...


Go back and read this thread. All 1700 posts of it. There have been more than one, two, or three "confirmed" release dates. Valid dates or not, they provided falsified hope which was proven to be wrong again and again, which was the point of complaint of my post. So don't tell me there have been no delays because there might have been none to you, there were plenty to me and probably many other members of this forum.


Posted by: rbsti

I was at my nieces bday party yesterday and it so happened that a guest of theres is a pretty high level manager at cingular. He saw my 8700c blackberry and thats how we struck up a conversation so I asked him about the 8125 and at first he was hesitant to answer me then he told me that the initial release will be 1/9/06. He said it was held up becuase they want to release it with the new WM50 service pack that will support push email.

I know this gigantic thread has had one release date after another but this one seemed pretty legit.

Merry Christmas


Posted by: Quantyoda

Quote:
Originally Posted by jetli
Go back and read this thread. All 1700 posts of it. There have been more than one, two, or three "confirmed" release dates. Valid dates or not, they provided falsified hope which was proven to be wrong again and again, which was the point of complaint of my post. So don't tell me there have been no delays because there might have been none to you, there were plenty to me and probably many other members of this forum.


With new and changing technology you are going to have issues getting phones to market. This is why Cingular has chosen not to give firm release dates. Whether you call this a delay or something else is symantics.


Posted by: RulinSmoove

Quote:
Originally Posted by jetli
Go back and read this thread. All 1700 posts of it. There have been more than one, two, or three "confirmed" release dates. Valid dates or not, they provided falsified hope which was proven to be wrong again and again, which was the point of complaint of my post. So don't tell me there have been no delays because there might have been none to you, there were plenty to me and probably many other members of this forum.


this is true, i agree.


Posted by: RulinSmoove

Quote:
Originally Posted by Quantyoda
With new and changing technology you are going to have issues getting phones to market. This is why Cingular has chosen not to give firm release dates. Whether you call this a delay or something else is symantics.


this is also true haha, good point! no point of even promoting any release date if they know they will be doing extensive work to make it suitable for a planned release date in the future.


Posted by: Perceptions

Quote:
Originally Posted by jetli
Go back and read this thread. All 1700 posts of it. There have been more than one, two, or three "confirmed" release dates. Valid dates or not, they provided falsified hope which was proven to be wrong again and again, which was the point of complaint of my post. So don't tell me there have been no delays because there might have been none to you, there were plenty to me and probably many other members of this forum.


I remember reading a while back ago, "why doesn't Cingular hype devices before release?"

Jetli's response is exactly the reason why.

Cingular never official announced release dates. It was people who work inside who came across release dates that were not "official" but rather on internal documents. They come here and post the info and the cycle begins:

- Info posted with no official confirmation
- Everyone gets excited
- People become impatient
- Release dates pass,
- People get angry
- Blame Cingular for not having the device out as "rumored."


Posted by: butzchan

FCC approved the Apache on Approved Jun 30, 2005. It was released by Sprint in mid-September. The Wizard gained FCC approval on Jul 26, 2005. How did Sprint get this device out so quickly?


Posted by: pgray007

I'm not one to whine about Cingular somehow "mistreating" me or anything, I'd like to see the company succede because I'd like to see GMS gain a strong footing in the US. Being an international traveller, I'm sort of stuck with GSM, so I want Cingular (or T-Mobile for that matter) to be the biggest carrier in the states, with the best technology and phones.

I think AT&T had a much better grap on the business market. Good international roaming, one of the first carriers with data, location-based services, etc. I worry that Verizon and now even Sprint (gasp) may be trying to eat Cingular/AT&T's lunch.

I think Verizon's trick with the 700w is the way Cingular should be playing. There's no "official" release date on the 700w, but Verizon is hyping the hell out of it, with a "you know it's up our sleeves, you're not going to leave us now, are you" attitude.

Cingular seems to be missing the boat on marketing themselves, and hence putting GSM in the States at a disadvantagous position. That's my only real beef with them. At the rate they're going, we'll see the 700w GSM version this time next year, while the other carriers are wooing business customers with the 900w running Windows Vista with built-in espresso maker and bottle opener.


Posted by: 4starzzzzshark

I was gonna get the W600 however after seeing this phone, I think I am gonna cash in my upgrade when it comes out. The 9100 is way too expensive and if the 8125 is $350 for a 2 year agreement I think it is well worth the wait. My question is will it definately come to cingular or is it another myth like the nokia n80? If so I will just settle for the w600.


Posted by: nskgti23

You took what was stated in this thread as what Cingular announced as release dates... Yes the device was "rumored" to be released in November, but there was a minor issue that pushed it back...

I work for Cingular and I am aware of 1 delay. If there is another one, I haven't heard about it yet, but I wasn't in on Friday...

So if your that concerned with getting this device, go pay the $700 and buy the KJam...

Quote:
Originally Posted by jetli
Go back and read this thread. All 1700 posts of it. There have been more than one, two, or three "confirmed" release dates. Valid dates or not, they provided falsified hope which was proven to be wrong again and again, which was the point of complaint of my post. So don't tell me there have been no delays because there might have been none to you, there were plenty to me and probably many other members of this forum.



Posted by: Free Man

Good to hear, it's not as if the phone is vaporware...it is very near from what information we have. Anyone know if this week is still in the realm of possibility?


Posted by: substring

First of all, all those release dates that were posted on this thread were not officially announced by Cingular. They were either speculation or some sort of insider rumors. Therefore, officially, Cingular has not missed any date for the 8125.

Secondly, Cingular does not become one of the largest carriers by having stupid management. Christmas is the biggest time for sales and Cingular is skipping it for the 8125, they must have a very good reason. It is more than just a bad marketing strategy. We may or may not be able to find out why. I, just like everybody else, want to get my hands on this device as soon as possible. But if I have to wait, I will wait. A few more weeks is really not that long.

(disclaimer: I don't work for Cingular and I don't own any of their stocks)


Posted by: Seltzer

Quote:
Originally Posted by substring

Secondly, Cingular does not become one of the largest carriers by having stupid management.





Posted by: shortdog

I saw an ad for i-mate K-JAM - basically the same phone - in an ad for J&R Electronics, with T-Mobile activation. $499 - T-Mobile here I come!


Posted by: holdenmichael

Quote:
Originally Posted by jetli
With delay after delay. I think disappointment is an understatement at this point. I remmeber thinking back in November, January? HAH! Thats ridiculous. That's a quarter of a year from now. By then my paper drawing of a phone would be made into a working model, this phone that has similar cousins already out in the US carriers since November (Sprint PPC-6700) would definitely be out before then. Right... RIGHT?

WRONG.

We should ban threads like this in the future for the sanity of the public. I bet we will reach 2000 posts and the phone will still not be released. Think about it. 2000 posts. Assuming it takes one minute on average to read each one and process the information contained within, that is 33 hours of precious life of us faithful followers of this thread have wasted.

Make that 33 hours and a minute.

Sorry but i just had to vent.


Quote:
Originally Posted by jetli
With delay after delay. I think disappointment is an understatement at this point. I remmeber thinking back in November, January? HAH! Thats ridiculous. That's a quarter of a year from now. By then my paper drawing of a phone would be made into a working model, this phone that has similar cousins already out in the US carriers since November (Sprint PPC-6700) would definitely be out before then. Right... RIGHT?

WRONG.

We should ban threads like this in the future for the sanity of the public. I bet we will reach 2000 posts and the phone will still not be released. Think about it. 2000 posts. Assuming it takes one minute on average to read each one and process the information contained within, that is 33 hours of precious life of us faithful followers of this thread have wasted.

Make that 33 hours and a minute.

Sorry but i just had to vent.


I believe that a large majority of the public that was sane before this thread was started has remained sane after 2000 posts.

Couldn't you have just waited for the title of the thread to change from "Pre-Release" to "Released"?

That probably would have saved you some time AND your sanity


Regardless, NO information was falsified and as far as the general public is concerned there have been NO delays. There can't be a delay when there isn't a PUBLIC release date.


Thanks to those providing us with a running play-by-play of the phone's timeline to release.

This will be my first PPC, at least for 30 days...


...33 hours, two minutes...


Posted by: gsodhi

Quote:
Originally Posted by shortdog
I saw an ad for i-mate K-JAM - basically the same phone - in an ad for J&R Electronics, with T-Mobile activation. $499 - T-Mobile here I come!


The QTEK 9100 is $399 at J&R with a T-Mobile contract. I am not sure of the contract length (will call them tomorrow) but this is equivalent to the k-jam and a decent price.

-Gavenraj


Posted by: PointZero

Quote:
Originally Posted by shortdog
I saw an ad for i-mate K-JAM - basically the same phone - in an ad for J&R Electronics, with T-Mobile activation. $499 - T-Mobile here I come!


Do you mind posting that ad for folks in the bay area?


Posted by: myke

this thread suffers from the post 100 page sydrome


Posted by: pcman

Quote:
Originally Posted by gsodhi
The QTEK 9100 is $399 at J&R with a T-Mobile contract. I am not sure of the contract length (will call them tomorrow) but this is equivalent to the k-jam and a decent price.

-Gavenraj

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Posted by: stac

Well, if this phone is to be available tomorrow, the 20th, doesn't someone in a store somewhere have to know by now what kind of stock they are expecting for tomorrow? I would think that if they will have this phone in the stores, then a manager somewhere must know about it... and be ready to tell!

-S


Posted by: Raven77

Quote:
Originally Posted by stac
Well, if this phone is to be available tomorrow, the 20th, doesn't someone in a store somewhere have to know by now what kind of stock they are expecting for tomorrow? I would think that if they will have this phone in the stores, then a manager somewhere must know about it... and be ready to tell!

-S

You still think this will be available tomorrow?!?



Posted by: nskgti23

If it is available tomorrow, it will be for the b2b channel only... The retail launch isn't supposed to be until January...


Posted by: Edeescam

So is this phone worth the wait? I do not think I wanna wait for the n80 (if it ever comes) or spend my upgrade on a w600.


Posted by: RulinSmoove

just got delayed until mid feb. sorry guys.

















jk


Posted by: Raven77

Quote:
Originally Posted by RulinSmoove
just got delayed until mid feb. sorry guys.

















jk

haha your an evil evil man!
lol


Posted by: Omega2008

No delays for me...........


Posted by: Raven77

Quote:
Originally Posted by Omega2008
No delays for me...........

Whatchu talkin bout willis?!?
Did ya get it?


Posted by: 4starzzzzshark

The 2125 looks bad to me. I like the look of the 8125 better so I will wait. You can always get a 9100 for $300 through j & r with a tmobile contract


Posted by: Raven77

Quote:
Originally Posted by Raven77
Whatchu talkin bout willis?!?
Did ya get it?

Oh forget it, I guess you meant no delays for you cuz you went for the 2125...
hehe
I think I am just gonna hold out for the 8125, gives me something to look forward to!



Posted by: Free Man

I thought it was due out on the 20th, not day the 19th? Omega...did you get your hands one one?


Posted by: CoRupT

Quote:
Originally Posted by PointZero
Do you mind posting that ad for folks in the bay area?



Are you serious? theres a bay area ad of this phone?


Posted by: Its_Smee

Does anyone here have Cingular's NBO/B2B #'s so that I can call tomorrow?

Thanks!


Posted by: Raven77

Quote:
Originally Posted by Its_Smee
Does anyone here have Cingular's NBO/B2B #'s so that I can call tomorrow?

Thanks!

1-800-356-9752
Try that....good luck! You'll need it!


Posted by: leporaj

we are still in a "coming soon" status

:P


Posted by: Free Man

Who is "we" and what do you mean?

Quote:
Originally Posted by leporaj
we are still in a "coming soon" status

:P



Posted by: Its_Smee

Quote:
Originally Posted by Raven77
1-800-356-9752
Try that....good luck! You'll need it!


Only if it isn't released.


Posted by: Aviatr80

I was told by Cingular B2B a couple days ago that they had the 8125 in their system as an inventory item but didn't currently have them available to sell..I'm thinking it won't be long if it's in the system.....thought I would throw that in


Posted by: shortdog

Quote:
Originally Posted by CoRupT
Are you serious? theres a bay area ad of this phone?

The ad was in the copy of the New York Times I received in San Francisco on Sunday.


Posted by: jetli

Yes. You guys are right. I apologize.

I think this torture is a good type of torture. Kinda like love.

Thanks to those who provide us with the information.


Posted by: RulinSmoove

Quote:
Originally Posted by jetli
Yes. You guys are right. I apologize.

I think this torture is a good type of torture. Kinda like love.

Thanks to those who provide us with the information.


or disinformation... or unconfirmed information hehe


Posted by: trojan9x

I was on the Phone with NBO today and they have the 8125 as Coming Soon as well for me.


Posted by: Lurchy24

I called the 800 # and spoke with the business rep. She located the phone in the system (very quickly) and said that she does not know when it will be available. She also said that they are usually the last to release the phones (even pda's) and that I should contact regular customer service or stores.


Posted by: Omega2008

Quote:
Originally Posted by Raven77
Oh forget it, I guess you meant no delays for you cuz you went for the 2125...
hehe
I think I am just gonna hold out for the 8125, gives me something to look forward to!

No, what I ment was that I haven't been expecting this phone to come out until next year for some time now. I am probably going to sell the 2125 once I get the 8125.


Posted by: 4starzzzzshark

I for one will definately extend my contract for this phone. Good thing I did not get the w600i yet


Posted by: myke

i hope itll come out within 30 days, im gonna go get a 2125 now. woot!


Posted by: zachavm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Omega2008