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2006 Reliability Predictions
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Posted by: warnie

LOL no european cars and only 2 american cars.

Best predicted reliability:

(As calculated by Consumer Reports)

Small cars:

Toyota Echo

Honda Civic (2005)

Toyota Prius

Honda Civic Hybrid (2005)

Toyota Corolla

Subaru Impreza (non-turbo)

Sporty cars/Convertibles Coupes

Honda S2000

Mazda MX-5 Miata (2005)

Lexus SC430

Chevrolet Monte Carlo (2005)

Sedans

Lexus GS300/GS430*

Infiniti M35/M45*

Lexus IS300 (2005)

Honda Accord Hybrid*

Toyota Camry

Honda Accord 4-cyl.

Lexus LS430

Wagons

Toyota Matrix

Minivans

(None rated "Best")

Small SUVs

Toyota Rav4 (2005)

Honda CR-V

Honda Element

Subaru Forester

Mercury Mariner*

Mitsubishi Outlander

Mid-sized SUVs

Lexus RX400h (hybrid)*

Toyota Highlander

Toyota 4Runner (V-8)

Infiniti FX35

Large SUVs

Toyota Land Cruiser

Pick-up trucks

Honda Ridgeline*

Toyota Tundra

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Posted by: Lagos

I think the least reliable list is more interesting:

Least reliable

Vehicles listed in scoring order, starting with the worst score.

SMALL CARS: Chevrolet Cobalt*.

SPORTY CARS/
CONVERTIBLES/COUPES:
Volkswagen New Beetle Convertible, Mercedes-Benz SL, Mercedes-Benz CLK, Ford Mustang (V6)*, Chevrolet Corvette*, Audi S4.

SEDANS: Jaguar S-Type, Lincoln LS, Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Saab 9-3, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, BMW 5 Series (V8), Audi A8, Chrysler 300 (V8)*, BMW 7 Series.

WAGONS: Mercedes-Benz E-Class, Volkswagen Passat (V6) (2005), Volvo V50*.

MINIVANS: Nissan Quest, Buick Terraza*, Chevrolet Uplander*, Pontiac Montana SV6*, Saturn Relay*.

SMALL SUVS: Saturn Vue (AWD), Hyundai Tucson*, Kia Sportage*.

MIDSIZED SUVS: Volkswagen Touareg, Porsche Cayenne, Land Rover LR3*, Land Rover Range Rover*, Ford Explorer (2005), Mercury Mountaineer (2005), Jeep Grand Cherokee*, Ford Freestyle (AWD)*, Cadillac SRX, Volvo XC90, Chevrolet TrailBlazer (V8), GMC Envoy (V8), BMW X5 (V8).

LARGE SUVS: Infiniti QX56, Nissan Armada, Hummer H2, Lincoln Navigator, Ford Expedition.

PICKUP TRUCKS: Nissan Titan, Chevrolet Colorado (4WD), GMC Canyon (4WD).

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Posted by: AndyLHoang

Woohoo! Go Toyota! Although, I think CR's ratings can be skewed sometimes. I'm surprised no minivans were rated Best....

Posted by: eimajuno

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Originally Posted by AndyLHoang

Woohoo! Go Toyota! Although, I think CR's ratings can be skewed sometimes. I'm surprised no minivans were rated Best....

Well I would not really car minivans desireable cars to own. I know you have on and love it but I am more of a Car/SUV person. I will never buy a minivan.

Posted by: plumers

Where is Honda Accord V6??????? I've never ever seen them on those list

Posted by: 91RS

So they new Mustang and Corvette are least reliable?

Besides, like I've said a million times, it doesn't matter who makes you car if you take care of it, it will last. Guess Consumer Reports is run by Jap. import lovers because both of those lists are BS.

Posted by: warnie

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Originally Posted by 91RS

So they new Mustang and Corvette are least reliable?

lol You've got a lot to learn kid.

Posted by: chrix

I am with 91RS.
These "predicted" lists are meaningless. Honestly it's not even worthy of a thread in the car forum..

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To calculate predicted reliability for 2006 model-year vehicles, the magazine averaged overall reliability scores for the last three model years, provided that the vehicle remained substantially unchanged over that time. For vehicles that were new or substantially redesigned during that time, data from the just one or two years was used.

Posted by: AndyLHoang

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Originally Posted by eimajuno

Well I would not really car minivans desireable cars to own. I know you have on and love it but I am more of a Car/SUV person. I will never buy a minivan.

Well, I do like the MPV, but the only other car that we have is the Corolla. Between the two, I like the MPV more because it does have more power, it's more comfortable(leather seats, sunroof, adjustable seating), has many more features, and has a good sound system. I can also carry more friends with it and it's roomier. However, when I do purchase a vehicle, it's not going to be a minivan, but probably the Corolla or Echo because those cars still make great commuter vehicles and I can live with its shortcomings and a couple of those features can be had on them.

Posted by: 91RS

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Originally Posted by warnie

lol You've got a lot to learn kid.

Care to explain to me what I've got to learn? Last I checked, if you don't take care of something, it won't last...

Posted by: warnie

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Originally Posted by 91RS

Care to explain to me what I've got to learn? Last I checked, if you don't take care of something, it won't last...

OK I'm sorry for sounding like a prick. I shouldn't have done that. But I would like to have a civilized discussion about this.

How do you account for the statistical data that Japanese cars, on average, last much longer than American cars? To me, it seems like this is your only possible explanation: that all cars, domestic and imports, are all equally reliable, but the only reason domestic cars have so many problems is because people who own imports are better at taking care of their cars than people who own domestic cars. That just doesn't make sense to me. If anything, I think that people who drive domestic cars usually know more about car repair than people who drive imports (or maybe I just think that because domestic car owners are always having to repair their cars?)

Of course, if you take exceptionally good care of your car, regardless of the origin, its going to last long. But still, I think that Japanese cars will outlast Americans under good care. Especially for used cars from the 90s and early 2000s.

And what do you consider "good care"? To me, that means doing all of the required maintenance (oil changes, lubrication, etc) and going easy on your car when you drive it. Now, if you consider "good care" to be doing stuff like engine overhauls, then of course you can make any car last really long, but the average joe ain't going to do that to their car.

In addition to the statistics shoing that Japanese cars have less problems than American cars, you can also see that Japanese used cars hold their value much better than American cars. And the reason for that is also their reliability.

Not only to I believe the statistics, I have also experienced this first hand with many cars. In the past 10 years, my family has gone through at least 6 American cars and none of them lasted beyond 150,000 miles. And we took very good care of all of them. And ALL of them had at least one big problem before reaching 100,000 miles. Now, my girlfriend used to drive a 93 Accord, which had 250,000 miles with no problems before we decided to sell it. And a good friend of mine still drives an early 80s Toyota pickup that has over 350,000 miles, and the only major thing he has done was replace the clutch once. Today, myself and the rest of my family all own Hondas, Toyotas, and Subarus, and none of us have seen a single problem with our cars in the past few years.

However, I am beginning to gain confidence in American cars lately because I have read about the improvements that have been made with American cars' reliability. They're beginning to catch up to the Japanese, but the Japanese are still ahead. I'm sure that in a decade from now, all cars will be equally reliable, but for the time being, I'll stick to Japanese.

And of course, this list of reliablility predictions is exactly that... "predictions." So it isn't going to be accurate, but they're probably not too far off either.

Posted by: 91RS

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Originally Posted by warnie

People who drive domestics do not usually know more about car repair, even if it were true that "domestic car owners are always having to repair their cars." People who drive domestics generally know just about as much about car repair as people who drive imports.

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And what do you consider "good care"? To me, that means doing all of the required maintenance (oil changes, lubrication, etc) and going easy on your car when you drive it. Now, if you consider "good care" to be doing stuff like engine overhauls, then of course you can make any car last really long, but the average joe ain't going to do that to their car.

Yeah, oil changes, lube, etc. is what I'd consider good care. But how on earth would engine overhauls be considered good care?

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In addition to the statistics shoing that Japanese cars have less problems than American cars, you can also see that Japanese used cars hold their value much better than American cars. And the reason for that is also their reliability.

That is true and false. One reason because there are many domestics that hold their value just as well as imports and many imports that lose value quickly as well. Second because many domestic cars (Corvette, Camaro, and Mustang probably being the big ones) will gain value after a while and most of them end up being worth more than their original sale price. My car sold for about $15k new in 1990, and right now it's worth about $4k (rounded and according to KBB), that's a $11k loss in 15 years, that's not to shabby in my opinion.

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Not only to I believe the statistics, I have also experienced this first hand with many cars. In the past 10 years, my family has gone through at least 6 American cars and none of them lasted beyond 150,000 miles. And we took very good care of all of them. And ALL of them had at least one big problem before reaching 100,000 miles. Now, my girlfriend used to drive a 93 Accord, which had 250,000 miles with no problems before we decided to sell it. And a good friend of mine still drives an early 80s Toyota pickup that has over 350,000 miles, and the only major thing he has done was replace the clutch once. Today, myself and the rest of my family all own Hondas, Toyotas, and Subarus, and none of us have seen a single problem with our cars in the past few years.

I've had first hand experience too. Our Civic we got rid of with about 190k miles on it and it was so damn slow and we took very good care of it (it did have a few minor problems though), it did run when we got rid of it. My dad's GMC truck has 270k miles on it and it runs awesome and has had no real problems that I know of. My Chevy has 121k miles on it and it also runs awesome and has had no problems. My mom's Dodge has somewhere around 200k miles on it and it also runs fine, got us to and from Florida last Christmas no problem. If you think I'm trying to say that imports aren't reliable (not really sure if you are or not), you're wrong. I'm saying that reliability usually (there are lemons and just plain crappy models that come into play on both sides) lies within the owner, not the car so there is no real accurate way to truly measure a car's accuracy.

Posted by: buhdussy

You know what's weird is that the Monte Carlo made most reliable, when an Impala is an almost identical car. Same with the Mercury Mariner, Just a dressed up Escape. And where is the Lexus LX470? Same as Landcruiser. And look at all the european cars!!!! (Mostly Mercedes).