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Noob Q. Can Windows Mobile 5.0 "push" email out like Blackbery, Treo, etc?
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Posted by: lindseybp

I'm sure this is a very noob question but I'll ask anyway. Can the new Windows Mobile 5.0 "push" email out like the Blackberry and Treo phones? My wife is debating getting a Treo 650 or waiting for either a Moto Q with 5.0 or the new Treo with 5.0. Many people at her work use the Treo 650 which allows them to get their email but she prefers the windows type of interface if she can get it. Any help with this noob questions would be appreciated.

Thx!

Posted by: Omega2008

Yes, and you can get push based email on a WM2003SE device if you use GoodLink. I am guessing your wife uses GoodLink servers at her place of bussiness. WM5 has pushed based email via Exchange server with SP2. So her company must have Exchange 2003 with SP2 and she must have a WM5 device for that to work or she can use Goodlink on a WM2003SE or WM5 device. This is my understanding of it. I could be wrong.

Posted by: runbuh

This is sort of a trick question. If you believe all the Microsoft press, to get "push" email on your WM5 device, you will need the following (in addition to your WM5 device):

- Exchange Server 2003 with Service Pack 2 applied (this is available today)
- "Messaging and Security Feature Pack" (which is not yet available, and will likely be a carrier-specific download [ie not a download from Microsoft])
- Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync Mobile Web Administration tool for Exchange (not available yet, probably will be just a download from Microsoft)

Essentially, if you are a Microsoft Exchange shop, this would save you money over a BlackBerry or GoodLink solution. If you want push email to your WM5 device RIGHT NOW, I'm not sure what you can do other than try the GoodLink service. They don't mention WM5 on their web site, nor do they mention supporting the HTC devices that have just come out with WM5.
(http://www.good.com/index.php/products_pocketpc.html)

Posted by: vybe232

Your best option is

www.alwaysonmail.com

PUSH pop3 email to your device for 49 bucks usd a year.

I have it...it works AMAZING.

they have a trial check it...

or they have an enterprise version.

I researched this subject alot before finding this, and its the most cost effective, and works like a charm.

good luck

Posted by: anotheran

pushing email from your device to the mail server is simply sending email. You check your email inbox by pulling from the mail server.

However, the opposite is not available for WM 5.0 devices yet. So a server will not push new email to your device. That is why you always need to pull from the server.

New Treo 670 may include blackberry connect for push email.

Posted by: kdenninger

TRUE Push email TO the device requires:

1. A way for the network to find YOU. All the time. This means either (a) a VISIBLE IP ADDRESS (NOT behind a NAT gateway!) AND a listener that can both send a "registration" to the mail server and is capable of receiving either a trigger OR the actual message itself. The latter requires something akin to (or actually) an SMTP agent on the phone. In both cases the GPRS session must be CONNECTED at all times - not just attached. (Properly handling this if you get or make a voice call is not trivial if you would like to insure you don't lose inbound notifications and thus delay receipt of inbound email! The simplest way is to implement a Class "A" GSM/GPRS device, but there are none of those on the market that I'm aware of at the present time - from anyone.)

2. ACTIVE COOPERATION by the server to which you are syncing.

The EASIEST way to do this on a any "smartphone" is going to be to write a small application that does the "listen/poll" thing, and then to write the interface for the mail server end. HOWEVER, this will ONLY work if you have a VISIBLE IP address (e.g. T-Mobile's "VPN" Internet); it will NOT work on a NAT'd address.

"Fake" push email can be done with a polling application WITHOUT a VISIBLE address by polling frequently in a low-volume format over TCP, and then turning the channel and using it for the transmission if there is pending data. But that's not true PUSH email, any more than triggering via SMS is, and frankly, triggering via SMS is probably just as good if not better, as SMS will go through when on a voice call - a GPRS poll will not.

Note that carriers WILL NOT like the idea of true (IP based) PUSH-style email as a general solution without significant upcharges, because for each device which is/can receive that at any given point in time on the network there must be one actual visible IP address assigned. This can get a bit troublesome if a large number of users want to utilize this capability!

Posted by: wcl884

There's a little known (or at least I think it's a little known) option on push mail. If you or your company is running Exchange Server 2003 - you can actually have the server send a SMS when to a specific number (your own mobile) and your phone will automatically download the e-mail to your phone.

The SMS is not visible to you, the user, just to the phone. There's a technical term for this type of SMS, I just forgot.

Companies usually don't do this because the cost of SMS would be high (unless you are in the Blackberry plan - then what's the point). This may also open up specific security risks (although probably low).

I don't know how to add a link (or even if it's allowed in HOFO), but here's the link to the document (http://www.microsoft.com/technet/pr.../2003/autd.mspx)

W.

Posted by: TruBlu01

With whatever email server her company is using, they can also create a contact with her devices email address and forward all mail to it. This will work with any Platform.

Posted by: alde

Not really undestanding the need for push email... if you have Express and Outlook Web Access, you can pull your email and 2003SE will pull at set times during peak (and even non-peak)... So i'd get the mail (with my setup) 9 minutes earlier? If that 9 minutes is critical, they can dial me instead of mail me...

Posted by: kt5795

have you tried this service on a 5.0 unit? I tried one of the duality alwayson programs on my 5.0 unit and the part of the program that gets installed on the unit itself doesn't seem to install.

Posted by: richy240

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Originally Posted by alde

Not really undestanding the need for push email... if you have Express and Outlook Web Access, you can pull your email and 2003SE will pull at set times during peak (and even non-peak)... So i'd get the mail (with my setup) 9 minutes earlier? If that 9 minutes is critical, they can dial me instead of mail me...

I am in IT (i.e. always on call), have a Blackberry and I agree COMPLETELY. Why do I need email pushed out ot me within seconds of receiving it? (Sh*t, by Blackberry usually gets the message before Outlook does (yes, we're a Microsoft shop), which is set to poll every 3 mins.)

And because of all the hub-bub with Blackberry, I've been given the task of finding a new service in case Blackberry service goes down. Well, I would rather just convert anyway - Blackberrys suck. Period. They are crappy devices. Maybe they are durable, but for usability they get an F- (and it doesn't get any lower than that). Windows Mobile gets my vote for usability and I like that it is available on a variety of devices. Blackberry just recently (what, two years or so ago?) started releasing different devices, BUT THEY STILL SUCK!

And who wants to hold a square piece of plastic to their head anyway? Seriously...

EDIT - As much as I hate push email, this is a great thread. I've been searching HoFo, and the web in general, for something like this for a while. Thanks, everyone, for the information.

Posted by: richy240

Quote:

Originally Posted by vybe232

Your best option is

www.alwaysonmail.com

PUSH pop3 email to your device for 49 bucks usd a year.

I have it...it works AMAZING.

they have a trial check it...

or they have an enterprise version.

I researched this subject alot before finding this, and its the most cost effective, and works like a charm.

good luck

I tried this on my MPx220 and within 2 hours of installing the SEVEN mail client, my phone, somehow, reformatted its own internal memory and I had to restore from backup. This wouldn't normally be a problem, but the backup was about a month old and I did lose data.

Just a warning...

Posted by: sansol

Quote:

Originally Posted by vybe232

Hi Vybe232,

I am about to get the HTC TyTN and would like to access corporate email in a simple way. Here at my Bank they use Blackberries, but I don´t like them because they are very limited outside the pusemail features.

You mentioned you are using alwaysonemail. I have a few questions:

1) My understanding is that I don´t need to be somewhere and/or have certain phone carrier to use that software!?

2) This is a software that I can download (what is the cost for personal use) to access my personal and corporate email without needing my company to purchase any software and or make any special adjustments (they suppor IMAP4)!?.

3) I understand there is a $49 anual suscription cost, and that is about it!? Am I correct, or I am missing something?

If I am not correct, maybe you can tell me with whom I can talk to get 10 mminutes support to do the setup in my HTC.

Thank you,

Santiago

Posted by: pyrobling

there has been a common misconception so far in this thread concerning MOTOROLA Q and PUSH email from Verizon.

the phone itself does not have the push technology like in the blackberry devices. the push side of the email is actually done on your mobile provider's server.

the server will check for new email every 1, then 5, then 10, then 15 then it will double until it finds an email on you POP3 server. the SERVER will then "push" the email straight through to your device. you never have to worry about the phone having to have the push feature set up.

if you plan on using it for this feature you will need to get the unlimited data added onto your account for 44.99/month with the 15/month charge for tether.....the 15/month charge is optional and is purely for tethering your phone and using it as a wireless modem. if you do not do this and plan on using push email...the server will keep pushing and you will receive a huge bill, i.e. the 10,000 bill we are crediting now, because the server pushes and you can't turn the push "on/off" on the handset in that way.

let me know if you have any other questions.

-Adam @ VZW

Posted by: TruBlu01

Adam

Just a little FYI on HTML, it's brackets [ ] not greater than/less than < > BOLD

Posted by: sansol

I read in another thread the following: "THere is also another solution if you have access to microsoft outlook WEB ACCESS, then windows mobile 5 natively can push email to your device with no extra software required. some companies however do not open up their outlook web access on the internet (outside the corporate firewall) the best thing to do is check to see if you can access the outlook web access for your company (if you have it) from the internet, say from home. If you can you are good to go and windows mobile can do the rest!.

Posted by: jerryk

Quote:

Originally Posted by lindseybp

I'm sure this is a very noob question but I'll ask anyway. Can the new Windows Mobile 5.0 "push" email out like the Blackberry and Treo phones? My wife is debating getting a Treo 650 or waiting for either a Moto Q with 5.0 or the new Treo with 5.0. Many people at her work use the Treo 650 which allows them to get their email but she prefers the windows type of interface if she can get it. Any help with this noob questions would be appreciated.

Thx!

Has she looked at the TMobile Dash/HTC s620? Very nice form factor and good battery life. Supports push email from an appropriately equipped Exchange server.

Posted by: kbiz

I've been running the native Push on my 3125 and loving it... emails come within a couple of SECONDS of being sent... often before I lift my finger from the enter key on my computer... I hear the beginning of the email notification on my 3125... You do need an exchange server to connect to and the battery life is a little lower using true push...

Posted by: Kid1972

I'm also in IT and we are running Exchange 2003 w/ SP2. My personal devices (all in use at the same time by the way) are an MPx220, K-Jam and Dash. Also at work is a guy running the PPC-6700, another with the Dash, and another with the 8125.

With WM5, it's *SUPPOSED* to be true Push. The MPx220 (running Smartphone 2003 OS) doesn't allow it and either polls at a given interval or you have to use SMS to trigger it.

I have all of my WM5 devices set to download messages as they arrive and I easily get a full day's use on a single charge.

With as many IT shops using Exchange, I see WM devices taking over pretty steadily. It's fun to go to seminars and trade shows and notice more and more fellow nerds with the same devices I have. A couple years ago, nobody seemed to have them.

Avoid the Treo's (at least Verizon's 700w). We've gone through a lot of them and they are very problematic. The Treo 650 syncs with Exchange fine (several in the office use them as well). When it comes to WM devices, my suggestions based on personal experience are the Dash and TyTN (Cingular 8525). I haven't used the Blackjack so can't say. I have been supporting the Verizon Treo 700w and I can't stand them. Tons of software issues and hardware bugs.

-K

Posted by: vybe232

what if your company uses secureid authentication ...and it cant access webmail over the innternet without that...that stops wm5 push from working doesnt it?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kid1972

I'm also in IT and we are running Exchange 2003 w/ SP2. My personal devices (all in use at the same time by the way) are an MPx220, K-Jam and Dash. Also at work is a guy running the PPC-6700, another with the Dash, and another with the 8125.

With WM5, it's *SUPPOSED* to be true Push. The MPx220 (running Smartphone 2003 OS) doesn't allow it and either polls at a given interval or you have to use SMS to trigger it.

I have all of my WM5 devices set to download messages as they arrive and I easily get a full day's use on a single charge.

With as many IT shops using Exchange, I see WM devices taking over pretty steadily. It's fun to go to seminars and trade shows and notice more and more fellow nerds with the same devices I have. A couple years ago, nobody seemed to have them.

Avoid the Treo's (at least Verizon's 700w). We've gone through a lot of them and they are very problematic. The Treo 650 syncs with Exchange fine (several in the office use them as well). When it comes to WM devices, my suggestions based on personal experience are the Dash and TyTN (Cingular 8525). I haven't used the Blackjack so can't say. I have been supporting the Verizon Treo 700w and I can't stand them. Tons of software issues and hardware bugs.

-K

Posted by: Kid1972

SecureID is for authentication when remoting in (VPN). Makes no difference for direct push.

The one thing we do have for security is certificates. And all I have to do when I set up a phone is configure all the settings and then copy over the certificate and double click on it. Once that's done, works fine.

-K

Posted by: jwocky

Quote:

Originally Posted by alde

Does anyone know how to accomplish this on my Samsung Blackjack? Basically my IT department won't help me setup my phone for push, so I'm going to have to find some other way to pull.

I have access to Outlook Web Access to check my e-mail via the web remotely, but need a program like Palm OS's Chatter to help me login to receive/send e-mails.

Please help. Thanks.

Posted by: kfarouki

Quote:

Originally Posted by TruBlu01

Adam

Just a little FYI on HTML, it's brackets [ ] not greater than/less than < > BOLD

TruBlu01: I am sure that you are trying to be helpful, but let me offer a correcting FYI. In HTML, all tags are denoted with angle-brackets < > symbols, exclusively. You are welcome to consult any [D]HTML reference or better yet, ask your browser to show you the source for this very page. You'll find that in HTML it's angle-brackets (exclusively).

What you were helping Adam with, was the fact that in most forums, you can *not* use explicit HTML. (This is by design so that users don't put crazy content into their posts which would violate the style rules, or worse yet, take over the page.) Basic mark-up syntax is often then provided, using HTML like syntax, but usually substituting brackets for angle-brackets. HowFo uses this approach. BUT make no mistake about it, Adam's post was marked-up with correct HTML, it's just that you can't use HTML in your posts here....

Hope that helps...

Posted by: sbressler

I'm using Push E-mail on my Dash through mail2web.com (highly recommended if you haven't checked it out), but my battery runs down ridiculously fast. It seems that the data connection is pretty much always on, often during times when I don't get an email for hours. Is there some way to get it to automatically disconnect or something??? The battery lasting maybe half the day (and I just got the Dash) is too much...

Thanks a lot!

Posted by: Gunner1

Is "direct push" email through exchange always handled by having an exchange server web interface for the company email visible on the internet?

I'm asking this because I have found no way to configure the WM5 Outlook to try to build a VPN connection, etc, to get mail.