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Hidden apps to watch MOVIES on sidekick II
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Posted by: DAEWOOCNC26

I found this site and was wondering if anyone tried any of this and if it works

http://www.popsci.com/popsci/how20/...ecbccdrcrd.html

Posted by: Sonic McTails

Yes, this works, but since this happened, Danger has made getting the unlocking key VERY difficult so while iti still can be done, it's almost impossible to do so.

Posted by: KrAzE00YoUnG

it doesn't talk about watching movies does it? It just shows you secret applications.

Posted by: djdee

Sweet find....I think I'm gonna give this a go maybe I can even get ringtones to the device.

Posted by: Sonic McTails

It doesn't work - you can't get the dev keys anymore!

Posted by: DAEWOOCNC26

DJ if you have any luck please share

Posted by: Gutterpunk

This doesn't work. The softwares listed in that article doesn't exist anymore. The keys are not readily available anymore. The movie application (do they mention it?) sucks and is useless for any practical use.

Do yourself a favor, do not waste your time trying to follow those instructions.

Posted by: divinatum

The article itself is entirely true. Outdated, but true.

While some of the apps mentioned... Ok, one of the apps mentioned (Cheshire Cat) isn't available anymore the rest are.

Before most apps are posted onto the catalog they are on a site called skdr. There people with the developer keys will beta test them... This is a great resource for developers to use, since they cant find all the bugs themselves and rely on us to "break" their apps

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Unfortunately since the posting of this article and other articles similar to it, Danger has locked down the process of obtaining a key. What used to be open to everyone, is now closed to those who need it. And by need, i don't mean wanting to load latest cRap ring tones on your phone... but the developers that write the apps that you all use on a daily basis.

Posted by: xelencin

Not really secret at all, just for people with developer keys.

developer.danger.com
www.skdr.net

Posted by: DAEWOOCNC26

i just went to www.skdr.net and signed up. but to get the key you need to post a new app to optain the key. so i dont see it being to hard to get the key if you do have access to apps to post. they also have software to help in the development of apps.

Posted by: Gutterpunk

DAEWOOCNC26 :
And this is what you AGREED on when before you were allowed to download the SDK from the Danger website

Copyright

The content of the Site, including the text, images, software, audio and video, as well as the compilation of the content (collectively referred to herein as "Materials"), is the property of Danger, Inc. ("Danger") its partners and customers and is protected by U.S. and international copyright laws. Neither the Site nor the Materials may be modified, reproduced, distributed, transmitted, publicly displayed, performed, or otherwise used, in whole or in part, without the prior written consent of Danger, except that you may download Materials on any single computer for your personal, non-commercial use only, provided that you keep intact all copyright and other proprietary notices.

Which mean that posting the SDK readme file on a public forum is illegal, and you agreed not to do it.

Posted by: hqn3

its not as easy to make an app as you think, and no you cannot just download an app and says its yours, to be a developer you have to make a good working program not just a deviation onf one, and Chesire Cat is availible in the catalog, buy and support the developer.

Posted by: jgeorge

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Originally Posted by DAEWOOCNC26

i just went to www.skdr.net and signed up. but to get the key you need to post a new app to optain the key. so i dont see it being to hard to get the key if you do have access to apps to post. they also have software to help in the development of apps.

in order to get a key you have to post an app that *you* write. Not download from SKDR. What would be the point in making the ability to download someone else's app a criteria for a dev key?

And the "video player" just to reiterate, was a proof of concent that failed. The app had ONE clip (about 20-30sec) of video embedded in the app and it was only able to play it at 2-3fps. it was not, and would never be, any generic "video player". The hardware just isn't there. You can thank PopSci for that one too for advertising the bleeding app without knowing anything about it.

Joe

Posted by: corel

so now is there any way to get a dev key?

Posted by: r u Rayman

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Originally Posted by corel

so now is there any way to get a dev key?

ONLY HIPTOP PROGRAMMERS / DEVELOPERS CAN GET A DEV KEY. END OF STORY

Posted by: DizChiNoRicHie

lol idiots... there is no way! unless ur one of those cool dudes that make those programs... if you wanna be a tester, you can ask a dev if he can hoook you up with something, im still looking for a willing dev

Posted by: hqn3

due to the fact that people only want the dev key to install ringtones into their phone tmobile has made it hard to obtain, the only way to really get a dev key now is to be a developer, as developer referal are now really hard to accomplish because every developer has a fixed number of tester they already have

Posted by: divinatum

corel: Yes, learn java, then learn the Hiptop SDK. Otherwise, no.

hqn3: T-Mobile had nothing to do with that. It was Danger. There might have been a little influence from T-Mobile, but Danger would have made the decision... As it's THEIR device, Not T-Mobile's (T-Mobile licenses it from Danger/Sharp)

Posted by: i244

hrm, this is interesting.

on my new sharp/danger sidekick the keys on the right (above and below the scroll wheel) are red and green. On the one on this picture the keys are orange.

Posted by: divinatum

That might be a old(er) HT2 (Older than December), a modded HT2, or an internal HT2. I haven't done this myself (maybe someone can confirm, jgeorge?) but the green and red lights are just surface mount LED's so if you have eneough skills you could desolder them and solder on whatever color you want. Or simply... its photoshopped.

Posted by: mesallem

It was actually TMOBILE who helped strap down the dev key program. They were getting mad that people were downloading ringtones. FIDO in canada allows ringtones to be downloaded and installed without having to pay for them....So u can actually blame Tmobile for the lock down.

Posted by: Gutterpunk

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Originally Posted by mesallem

It was actually TMOBILE who helped strap down the dev key program. They were getting mad that people were downloading ringtones. FIDO in canada allows ringtones to be downloaded and installed without having to pay for them....So u can actually blame Tmobile for the lock down.

Ringtones weren't the only issue and T-Mobile is surely not the only player in that descision. People wanting everything for free (and ringtones being a big part of it, but not the whole thing) and the noise that this created for legitimate developer.

Doesn't anyone sees that more companies (fujin and jamdat for one) are releasing games for the hiptop since the lockdown? Is that a coincidence you think?

Posted by: jgeorge

i244 - that's an odd picture of a device and certainly not one I'd consider authoritative. There's some ugly color correction on that one, that may be a photoshop screen image on a dummy/demo device, or maybe just bad editing. The SK2 has *always* (even the prototype units) had red/green LEDs for the send/end keys.

Div - right you are. They're surface-mount LEDs so swapping them is non-trivial but doable. The lens through the keys is frost clear so you could change those colors if you really wanted to, though I'm not sure how much bling value (or hack value) that would ultimately buy you.

mesallem - As for arguing "who" strapped down the dev key program, it was actually a number of factors all rolled into one. As far as I'm concerned Popular Science had as much to contribute to the changes in the process as Danger or T-Mobile or anyone else did.

dizchinoritchie - the reason why people have a hard time finding developers to "refer" them for keys is that the people looking for these referrals have nothing to offer the devs - why would I go to the time trouble and effort to get someone a key for them to "test" my applications, when they have nothing to offer? Some of the people asking me for keys barely speak clear English, can I really expect them to look over my apps and notice typos or grammatical errors? Can I expect them to give me any other feedback than "cool" or "this ap sux"?

Posted by: DAEWOOCNC26

I understand what you are saying about the dev key JGEORGE. As i am a machinist with some engineering background and also schooling in computers I know about the attension to detail that your refering to. Can you explan how the dev key works. also can you send stuff to the phone without the dev key or USB cable hooked up? What I mean is how it works if you goto downloaded fun and purchase a ringtone or an app. it just shows up on the phone ready to use.

Posted by: jgeorge

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Originally Posted by DAEWOOCNC26

I understand what you are saying about the dev key JGEORGE. As i am a machinist with some engineering background and also schooling in computers I know about the attension to detail that your refering to. Can you explan how the dev key works. also can you send stuff to the phone without the dev key or USB cable hooked up? What I mean is how it works if you goto downloaded fun and purchase a ringtone or an app. it just shows up on the phone ready to use.

The developer key enables only 2 console commands - "send" and "upload", the 2 commands you need to save any data to the device over USB. Without a key installed on the device you can't send any persistent data to the device. A lot of the console commands work, so you can poke around the device and geek out a bit, but that's all - you can't load apps or tones.

The key is tied to the IMEI of the phone and it's signed with a digital signature. So far I've heard some people say they want to hack the encryption for the key but I haven't heard anyone have even the most basic inklings of success with it. Most people haven't even figured out where to find the keys to start brute-force cracking the digest, and even anyone with knowledge beyond this point is looking at months, if not years, of number-crunching to brute-force the key. It's actually FAR faster and more productive to learn Java and write an app than to brute-force crack the key encryption.

The way the catalog works is that content downloaded from the catalog is sent to the device wrapped and certified with a digital signature, not unlike the one wrapping the dev key. When you attempt to load signed content on the device, if the device can validate that it's a validly signed file, the device will load it without the need for a developer key - the digital signature proves the authenticity of the file.

That's how you can load a developer key on a locked device - the digital signature allows the file to be installed on the device when you otherwise wouldn't be able to load anything to it. Once the key is installed and validated, then the send and upload commands are enabled to allow you to upload non-signed content to the device.

The device is designed extremely securely. I'm not saying there aren't ways into the device - there are - but the time, labor, cost, or skills needed to get into the device in these ways are not practical for most people. Learning Java is way faster and at least more useful knowledge.

You see how fast people publish hacks, cracked firmware, or whatnot for other phones and other electronic devices... The hiptop's been around 3 years or so and this basic security model hasn't changed much, and even the most dedicated hacker still seems to just be scratching their head... That should be an indication of how well-designed the security of the device is.

Joe

Posted by: divinatum

Theres some real bad color correction. The device isnt silver, its more of a... off white. Also the "dialing area" is red, not orange.