The HTC/Cingular 2125 Smartphone thread (please read before starting add. threads)

Originally Posted by phq3

Ok, so you signed up for the unlimited data which gave you an instant $100 and now looks like you might get another $100 back so the total would come to $69?

Originally Posted by Sonix

OH Yea! Several are on the way and it's going to shake things up around here!

Unfortunally, more that likely, it will be the end of the year for full impact. The manufactures and Cingular have to play nice with each other for a while on the phones and Cingular has to increase it's 3G footprint. But there is a major difference in 3G and EDGE/GPRS. One is push and wait the other is push and push etc. It's like getting cable compared to dial-up at home.

Originally Posted by TheUnforgiven83

My biggest buff with GPRS/EDGE/EV-DO and probably UTMS/HSDPA is latency. The furthest a modern tower will work is about 15 miles and that's with a good phone/data card and in direct line of sight. That's a lot closer than any Satellite ISP like DirectWay or WildBlue could ever be, yet the latency is as bad, if not worse. So why is the latency so bad?

Originally Posted by TheUnforgiven83

My biggest buff with GPRS/EDGE/EV-DO and probably UTMS/HSDPA is latency. The furthest a modern tower will work is about 15 miles and that's with a good phone/data card and in direct line of sight. That's a lot closer than any Satellite ISP like DirectWay or WildBlue could ever be, yet the latency is as bad, if not worse. So why is the latency so bad?

Originally Posted by Sonix

Are they? And how about HSDPA?

The implementation may suck I don't know, but there is a difference between a fixed solution and a mobile one. I did a Quick Google on DirectWay/WildBlue and the results were ugly. In fact latency way greater than HSDPA and EvDO. You will also find terminal issues with line of sight and the environment(rain).

If you can come up with some numbers I'm interested, but I have read some HSDPA latency numbers here on HoFo that look to be just inside acceptable limits for VoIP QoS. Please also note Cingular has capped HSDPA upload at 128 for now, why I don't know, they just seem to like to shoot themselves in the foot for some reason.

Originally Posted by Sonix

There are 120ms numbers for HSDPA posted here on HoFo. I ever think EvDO is just over that but not near 500-2000. VoIP seems to be affected badly at about 150ms so I just disregarded Sat. Edge is questionable, but it too may be your location to the tower.

Some 2 years ago someone posted a recorded call using EvDO, a laptop, an ATA, and finally a $10.00 Conair pots phone. He showed photo's of himself calling from his car using a pots phone and it was quite funny. Anyhow the recording was impressive and after hearing it one would agree it was on par with cellular. Actually one better as VoIP doesn't limit the sampling as does pots.

Originally Posted by Parrot Squawk

Ok...
Have had this for 24 hours. It may be going back in a few days for the 8125, as I have a lot of PPC apps that I like. However PPC apps were not the reason for getting this. It replaced a 6820 that I bought as a blue customer. To get me over to being an orange customer, they gave me this phone for free.

First off, I can't get the modem to work as a GPRS connection for my laptop.
Neither with BT or USB. The Cingular software doesn't have the driver (neither does tech support) and HTC's site is a joke.

Has anyone successfully used it to get a lappy on the net?

(NOTE: I am expecting my Novotel wireless broadband card tomorrow..but that is for another nighmare tale of Cingular Customer Care (or lack thereof)

Originally Posted by vini3c

I just got a 2125 yesterday. I'm trying to transfer my contacts to the phone. Where/how do I edit the contacts on the PC? Does it only transfer contacts from MS Outlook? Do I need to connect to an exchange server?

Basically, instead of adding new contacts from the phone itself, which can be a tedious process, I would like to edit contacts on the pc then transfer them to phone? Can this be done through ActiveSync?? Or do I need to install some other software like MPT?

Any help would be appreciated...

Originally Posted by Parrot Squawk

First off, I can't get the modem to work as a GPRS connection for my laptop.
Neither with BT or USB. The Cingular software doesn't have the driver (neither does tech support) and HTC's site is a joke.

Originally Posted by mbranscum

I have used this from time to time. I don't have the modem string entered....you think I'm OK without it?

Originally Posted by phq3

Ok, so you signed up for the unlimited data which gave you an instant $100 and now looks like you might get another $100 back so the total would come to $69?

Originally Posted by Parrot Squawk

Since I decided NOT to upgrade to the 8125 for $50 more (if I actually could) I guess I can tell everyone that Cingular gave me the phone. Charged me $300 on my account, gave me $200 on my old blue account (that I was migrating) and I get the $100 rebate (there was of course tax and shipping totalling about $35.00)

I may still think about the upgrade as I have had the phone for all of a week and a half. If someone could come up with a truly compelling reason to upgrade...
I am concerned about the ability to dial with the keypad closed on the 8125.

Originally Posted by Parrot Squawk

Does anyone have a way to get the keypad to lock after a period of inactivity?

Originally Posted by Parrot Squawk

Does anyone have a way to get the keypad to lock after a period of inactivity?

Originally Posted by winn75

Is anyone concern about the high SAR level of the cingular 2125?

Originally Posted by mbranscum

What's the number???

Originally Posted by Mackie99

Here's a really stupid question....where's the manual for this phone?

Also, in the getting started thing, it shows a "carying pouch" on page 2. It wasn't in the box, but it wasn't listed ON the box as included.

Originally Posted by TheUnforgiven83

There is no paper manual for this phone. Just a PDF file on the Active Sync Disc with the phone. And there should be a small pleather-ish carrying pouch inside the box. Along with a wall charger, USB cable, and Stereo Headset.

Originally Posted by vini3c

Anyone know if the 2125 supports bluetooth obex file transfers?

Originally Posted by Mackie99

Well, on the box it states the following contents:

Cingular 2125
AC charger
Stereo headset
USB sync cable
battery
Quickstart guide
getting started cd.

One more question. If I open the cd, will I still be able to return the phone to cingular if I wanted to get the 8125?

Originally Posted by mjrkjm

Does anybody know how to get the today/home screen to display multiple appointments for the day?? Even though I have 3 appointments I have to open up the calander to see any more then the first one. Any solutions?? Please help me.

Originally Posted by TheUnforgiven83

Where can you buy a decent 2.5mm to 3.5mm headset adapter for this phone? I hate using most ear buds, and would rather use a far more comfortable pair of headphones. I'm not buying another adapter from FleaBay. I bought 2 from there for my mPX220, and both crapped out on me within a week, where as the Moto ROKR replacement I bought from the Cingular Accessory Superstore has worked for months. But since Motorola has to use an oddball wiring scheme on their headsets and adapters, I can't use it. Satisfied with the Cingular branded adapter I looked around there for one, but couldn't find anything that would work with the 2125.

Originally Posted by lopezpm

It may not be listed on the box but you should have recieved the pleather pouch. It's nice it helps you ignore or answer calls all on it's own.

Originally Posted by jbreaux

Radio Shack. Bring in your phone and headphones, they will sell you the adapter. Mine was only a few dollars.

Originally Posted by lopezpm

It may not be listed on the box but you should have recieved the pleather pouch. It's nice it helps you ignore or answer calls all on it's own.

Originally Posted by TheUnforgiven83

Oh yeah, that's right. I got one from Radio Shack that I tried and failed with the MPx220, I could try it. I think it's still in the glove box of my car. lol
I'll drink to that!!

Originally Posted by TheUnforgiven83

Well I tried the Radio Shack 2.5mm to 3.5mm stereo adapter that was in my car out, and it works very well. Only complaint, I wish the 2125 had a bit more bass, or had a way to adjust the bass. Other than that, the music I tried(The Who's "Won't Get Fooled Again" and various stuff by Muse and Beck) played great.

Originally Posted by Sgt_Strider

Which adapter did you get? Do you have a picture?

Originally Posted by TheUnforgiven83

http://www.radioshack.com/product/i...c=1&tab=summary

The contradictory labeling on this site is confusing. So I'd actually go instore to buy this. Just make sure that the male side is 3/32"(2.5mm) stereo and that the female side is 1/8"(3.5mm) stereo. Also, make sure the package doesn't say it's for a Motorola. They use an proprietary wiring scheme that will only give you mono sound from a non-Moto phone.

Originally Posted by Sgt_Strider

I have that adapter and it sucks. The adapter doesn't have a tight fit and it starts coming off as I walk around.

Originally Posted by TheUnforgiven83

Fits and works fine in my 2125, even with my rough driving around. I use it with a cassette adapter in my old pontiac(car isn't really worth enough to put a decent CD player in lol).

Originally Posted by Sgt_Strider

Try putting it in your pocket. It's extremely annoying cuz as its coming off, it goes from stereo to mono.

Originally Posted by Sgt_Strider

Try putting it in your pocket. It's extremely annoying cuz as its coming off, it goes from stereo to mono.

Originally Posted by greenerchs

Has anyone else noticed when Agile Messenger is installed on the 2125 the screen for the program only fills up half of the 2125 screen? Is there a fix for this in a setting or an updated version of the messenger that would fix this?

Thanks

Originally Posted by JMBrown

I have that same issue...I would like to buy a better adapter. Any thougts as to where I could find one?

Originally Posted by DogmeatAl

Forgive me if this has been answered...this thread is hard to search.

Does the phone charge while plugged into a USB port? It doesn't look like it when I plug mine in, but maybe my port doesn't provide enough power.

Thanks!

Originally Posted by greenerchs

Has anyone else noticed when Agile Messenger is installed on the 2125 the screen for the program only fills up half of the 2125 screen? Is there a fix for this in a setting or an updated version of the messenger that would fix this?

Thanks

Originally Posted by lopezpm

download facade
http://www.sbsh.net/products/facade/
If you scroll down to schedule and press right you can go through many days of appointments. Just to test it I added 20 appointments to my calendar in outlook and scrolled through them all on my homescreen. Plus it has your tasks on there. Nice program. Also you can customize the programs at the top and get the ones you need in there.

Originally Posted by Parrot Squawk

When a bluetooth headset is connected and active, the phone rings, but not in the headset.

The only ringtones that can be used are ones in the application data/sound folder.

Originally Posted by TheUnforgiven83

Try this little fellow out: http://www.marauderzstuff.com/progr...py/default.aspx
Then go into Start Menu > Settings > Phone > and then Call Options, and then uncheck Show SIM Contacts, and now the contacts will all be on your phone, and you can sync them with your PC and edit them to your liking.

Originally Posted by thashef

Hey man that worked perfectly.....thanks for your help.....

Originally Posted by eye surgeon

I've done a search here but I can't find a solution the problem I am having with activesync with bluetooth. I can pair the computer to the 2125 but I can't sync via bluetooth. I have no problem syncing via USB. I get an error message on my phone saying there is no connection found with a computer that supports activesync even though I have paired the two and have activesync installed and virtual com ports set up (maybe they are set up wrong).

any advice?

Originally Posted by cinguliano

I got my 2125 working as a USB modem for my laptop. This is how to do it: (Don't worry; it isn't as hard as it seems )

1. Disconnect your phone from your PC if you have it connected.
2. On the phone, go to the Start menu, select Accessories and then Modem Link.
3. Dismiss the warning about ActiveSync. (Basically what it means is either the phone connects through ActiveSync or through Modem Link, but not both at the same time.)
4. Select USB for the Connection.
5. Select wap.cingular as the access point if you have MEdiaNet or isp.cingular if you subscribe to PDA Data Connect.
6. Press the Activate soft key.
7. Now, connect your phone to the PC. Notice that instead of an ActiveSync connection, you will now get a "Found New Hardware" window or pop up balloon.
8. When the Add New Hardware wizard appear, insert your Cingular 2125 companion CD.
9. Ignore the CD autorun program or close it.
10. Choose the option that lets the system find the driver automatically. It will be something like HTC USB Wireless Modem.
11. Install that driver through the wizard. If prompted for Windows XP compatibility, choose the Continue Anyway button.
12. When the driver is installed, go to Device Manager and find the HTC Modem driver under Phone and Modems.
13. Right-click on the HTC Modem and select Properties.
14. Click on the Advanced tab and enter the string below under Extra initialization string:
+CGDCONT=1,"IP","WAP.CINGULAR"
Note that the quotations ARE required.
15. Press OK, then close Device Manager.
16. From the Control Panel, choose Network Connections or Dial-Up Networking, whichever your OS has.
17. Create a new dial-up connection to the Internet, and choose the option to set up the connection manually.
18. For Phone Number enter: *99# and make sure Dialing Rules are not enabled for this connection.
19. For the username enter: WAP@CINGULARGPRS.COM (case sensitive)
20. For the password enter: CINGULAR1 (case sensitive)

Finish the creation of the connection and voilá!

Whenever you want to tether, open the Modem Link program on the phone, via Start - Accessories - Modem Link, and press the Activate softkey. Then, dial-up the connection from the PC. To disconnect, first hang up the dial-up connection on the PC, then press the Deactivate softkey on the phone, followed by the Done softkey to quit the Modem Link program.

Originally Posted by phutchi

I have the MediaNet unlimited package, but the CS reps are saying that I have to have the more expensive PDA data package to connect my laptop. I know it will use my minutes but it is the per Kb or MB charge i'm trying to avoid. (insert gamming here when away from home high spped access)

Originally Posted by phutchi

if i'm not going to get charged per data (kb mb) this is great. If I am, I'm gonna get a local dial up account through people pc for $5 a month and connect that way. On my unlimited evenings and weekend of course

Originally Posted by phutchi

... what about charges?

I have the MediaNet unlimited package, but the CS reps are saying that I have to have the more expensive PDA data package to connect my laptop. I know it will use my minutes but it is the per Kb or MB charge i'm trying to avoid. ...

Originally Posted by phutchi

It works just like windows. Navigate to the Start Menu folder (i use active sync) and delete it. or move it somewhere else.

Originally Posted by Jizzay1

I'm sorry it actually says "Get Express Mail". It's not in the start menu, but on the home screen, just below the time. I'd like to remove that. Any idea? It's not in the start menu folder.

Originally Posted by phutchi

Try changing the theme. It appears to be a feature of the "Cingular Theme" I do not have my phone in front of me right now (It is being delivered to me as I type. = Left it at home ) but I believe that will get rid of it.

Originally Posted by Jizzay1

I'm sorry it actually says "Get Express Mail". It's not in the start menu, but on the home screen, just below the time. I'd like to remove that. Any idea? It's not in the start menu folder.

Originally Posted by Jizzay1

I'm sorry it actually says "Get Express Mail". It's not in the start menu, but on the home screen, just below the time. I'd like to remove that. Any idea? It's not in the start menu folder.

Originally Posted by BradleyH

If you like the rest of the theme, but just want to get rid of the Xpress Mail icon, you can edit the home.xml file in notepad.

There is one line that contains the text <plugin clsid="{1237A231-5D10-4d97-8D59-6A9DCA0653A9}" name="getmail" height="25"/> That line causes the "Get XPress Mail" line to show up. If you delete that line, everything else will display normally, but that line will be removed.

Originally Posted by hobbs

Is there a missed call or message reminder? I have xv6700 with windows mobile 5 that does not have that feature. I miss having reminders incase I missed a call when I did not have the phone on me without looking at the phone screen each time.

Originally Posted by TheUnforgiven83

Yeah. The 2125 shows on the screen missed calls and voicemails on both the homescreen and in the top information bar.

Originally Posted by vini3c

Can the Quick List be accessed other than by pressing the power button? I find that very annoying...

Originally Posted by guapoharry

Wondered about this myself so I did a little looking around. If you feel comfortable doing the following fine. If not, you can mess things up by poking around in system folders. Be advised...

In Active Sync on your PC, click on the Explore button.

Open the "My Windows Mobile-Based Device" icon. Then, go to the \Windows folder and find the quickapp.exe file. Right click on it and select Copy.

We now need to move to the Start Menu. Go up to the Start Menu folder (under the \Windows directory still) and open it. Click on Edit and select Paste Shortcut.

The shortcut will be at the bottom of the directory listing, so go find it.

Once you find "Shortcut to quickapp.exe" rename it by Right Clicking on it and selecting Rename. My shortcut is called "Quick List" go figure.

You could also put it in the Accessories folder. Maybe that's cleaner...

Originally Posted by guapoharry

Wondered about this myself so I did a little looking around. If you feel comfortable doing the following fine. If not, you can mess things up by poking around in system folders. Be advised...

In Active Sync on your PC, click on the Explore button.

Open the "My Windows Mobile-Based Device" icon. Then, go to the \Windows folder and find the quickapp.exe file. Right click on it and select Copy.

We now need to move to the Start Menu. Go up to the Start Menu folder (under the \Windows directory still) and open it. Click on Edit and select Paste Shortcut.

The shortcut will be at the bottom of the directory listing, so go find it.

Once you find "Shortcut to quickapp.exe" rename it by Right Clicking on it and selecting Rename. My shortcut is called "Quick List" go figure.

You could also put it in the Accessories folder. Maybe that's cleaner...

Originally Posted by Wireless

I know this has been covered several places, but we all know that the Power Button on the 2125 is the "Button from HE_L, but if you get comfortable with the fact that the button does not actually push towards the back of the phone, and really is designed to push from the top oif the phone to the bottom of the phone, then functions like ON/OFF and just "Tapping" the Button quickly to Bring up the quick list becomes a breeze.

The Trick is to use your ThumbNail and press the Top Edge of the button, more of a "Pulling Down" motion then a pressing motion. You will then feel a very Easy "Detente" as the button moves down, bottoms out, and then springs back up. Simple as pie. Once you have felt that switch in action, you will be doing the "Why in the heck didn't they tell us this"? Life becomes so much easier.

NOTE: I take no credit for this. I saw a similar post on this Foprum, I hope not in this same thread LOL.
But when I saw someone was having difficulty using the power button to bring up the QUICK App menu, I said to myself I do NOT know what could be easier then tapping that button

Originally Posted by Parrot Squawk

I have about a week left to possibly upgrade my 2125 to an 8125 (or other phone.)

Has anyone done this migration? If so is the 8125 that superior a device?
I use my 2125 as my PDA (it replaced a Nokia 6820.) I know the 8125 is a true PPC (I used to use a Jornada but it is physically falling apart at this point.)

If the 8125 is NOT the best upgrade or worth the $50 or effort, how about some other options?

Primary use: Phone, PDA, small apps, some gaming (the wifi sounds nice but not make-or-break)

Any feedback/input would be appreciated.

TIA

Originally Posted by mbranscum

I have both!

Originally Posted by Sgt_Strider

Hey guys I was wondering if you have the link to must-install software for this phone? Thanks.

Originally Posted by ajm

I am interested in the Cingular 2125, but I simply cannot handle sorting thru a 175-page thread to find the latest news on it.

This discussion is simply unmanageable for those of us who don't regularly read it.

Can a forum administrator please do something about this? Consider a subforum, so we can take advantages of the thread management that vBulletin has to offer. At least split the thread and remove all of the old pre-release discussion, which is not interesting now that it's March of 2006.

Originally Posted by ajm

I am interested in the Cingular 2125, but I simply cannot handle sorting thru a 175-page thread to find the latest news on it.

This discussion is simply unmanageable for those of us who don't regularly read it.

Originally Posted by ajm

Can a forum administrator please do something about this? Consider a subforum, so we can take advantages of the thread management that vBulletin has to offer. At least split the thread and remove all of the old pre-release discussion, which is not interesting now that it's March of 2006.

Originally Posted by Sgt_Strider

Can someone here answer my question?

Originally Posted by Durrock

Just got my 2125 and I love it. However, I've tried going through all 175+ pages of these postings and can't find the following information:

I would like to find a location to purchase some desktop chargers/cradles for work and home? cingular doesn't sell these apparently.

Originally Posted by Durrock

Clear screen protectors - where the heck do I buy them? I don't want the screen scratched.

Originally Posted by JeLen

Since you have both and also Razor how is the reception for 8125 or 2125 in comparision to Razor?
TIA

Originally Posted by flipflop1

I just got done reading all 174 pages of this thread...WOW!

Thanks for all the info


As I go to my premeire site I see that they offer a "smartphone connect" series of data plans. One of them is a unlimted of course. I am assuming this is the same deal as the PDA connect, but the price (at least for me at this time) is 16.99 a month opposed to the medianet 19.99 a month.

I am trying to get details fromme rep regarding the difference, but if there really is a "smartphone connect" plan for roughly the same price it might save many people headaches to get that instead of the medinet and argue that the 2125 isn't a pda later. Anyone seen or used this?

With all luck I should have this thing ordered soon

again thanks for all the info.

Originally Posted by ajm

I am interested in the Cingular 2125, but I simply cannot handle sorting thru a 175-page thread to find the latest news on it.

This discussion is simply unmanageable for those of us who don't regularly read it.

Can a forum administrator please do something about this? Consider a subforum, so we can take advantages of the thread management that vBulletin has to offer. At least split the thread and remove all of the old pre-release discussion, which is not interesting now that it's March of 2006.

Originally Posted by guapoharry

Unfortunately, there are still too many garbage one-liner posts that contribute little other than getting the poster closer to their next 1000 post club goal. Don't understand this. I'm big on quality over quantity, but you might not see it by reading my posts. .

Originally Posted by guapoharry

Regarding the idea to create a sub-forum like in the MDA/SDA T-Mobile forum, there is an already closed thread in the General Questions/Forum Feedback forum. This related thread concerns 8125 mayhem in the Cingular Phones forum. There are pros and cons presented, but ultimately it's Tripy's call from indications.

Be sure not to post another thread if an existing thread has been closed or you risk temporarily being banned. PM the moderator to discuss first.

Originally Posted by vini3c

hi, I just installed a Notepad on my 2125. When I double-click on a .txt file from file manager, it does not default to the new notepad. Anyone know how to set the default application for a file type?

Originally Posted by patrickem

You have to associate the file type first using file manager.
Menu->file->Associate.

Originally Posted by SockMonkey

As much as I hate to reply to already 100+ page thread, here it goes:

I went to the local Cingular store to look at the 2125, as I've been impressed by all the reviews I've seen. One thing that struck me about the phone that I haven't seen mentioned was the speed. The demo unit at the store seemed to be a real dog, taking seconds to activate the camera, pull up contacts, etc. I did notice that there some Windows Mobile demo software running on the device when I came up to it, so I'm wondering if that was in the background at all times, hogging resources. This demo software seemed to fire up also when the phone was idle, like a screensaver.

I rebooted the phone (remembering to push down, not inward as I've read here ) and it still seemed slow. I realize that this phone is running a real OS as opposed to Nokia S40, as I'm used to, but the speed seemed really bad.

Any thoughts...I'm ready to pull the trigger

Originally Posted by SockMonkey

As much as I hate to reply to already 100+ page thread, here it goes:

I went to the local Cingular store to look at the 2125, as I've been impressed by all the reviews I've seen. One thing that struck me about the phone that I haven't seen mentioned was the speed. The demo unit at the store seemed to be a real dog, taking seconds to activate the camera, pull up contacts, etc. I did notice that there some Windows Mobile demo software running on the device when I came up to it, so I'm wondering if that was in the background at all times, hogging resources. This demo software seemed to fire up also when the phone was idle, like a screensaver.

I rebooted the phone (remembering to push down, not inward as I've read here ) and it still seemed slow. I realize that this phone is running a real OS as opposed to Nokia S40, as I'm used to, but the speed seemed really bad.

Any thoughts...I'm ready to pull the trigger

Originally Posted by cinguliano

Yes, the phone is a but on the slow side, but it does have good caching. If you opened Contacts once and haven't closed it with Task Manager or power-cycled the phone, it will come on faster on subsequent launches. Camera is just plain slow so if you want a camera-first-phone-second kind of device, you better look at some other phone.

Originally Posted by goodtimetribe

I need the with this one ya'll. It's the strangest thing I've ever seen. Instead of numbers on the list menu, I have letters, and guess what, pressing the numbers doesn't work.

It's really crazy. I haven't installed much. an eReader I've never used. I've connected it with my home computer, my bluetooth headset, and my wife's new phone (sony ericsson).

I noticed this problem today.

I have not performed any registry editing. I have not installed ClearVue or Xpress Mail.

I did change the wallpaper (image only, xml unchanged) for the menu AND start page.

I've got a Kingston 1gb minisd in it.

I did browse through this thread and I didn't see anyone mention it on the first 40 pages (of 104+) of messages.

Does anyone have any suggestions, tips, anything to help me resolve this issue? It's a major usability challenge.

Thanks,