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How to get connected to the internet
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Posted by: Federico

Hi guys I' am a newby here and I just got this phone. I'd like to know how do I have to set the phone in order to connect to the internet via Irda on my laptop.
I have established a dial up connection, but how do I set the phone to communicate with the laptop? Do I have to set the phone on "Irda Operation" and "Receiving" or "Synch & Data"?
Sorry for the stupid question.
Thanks in advance.
Fede

Posted by: F.Ruehl

"Synch & Data", as explained in the manual.

Posted by: Okigire

...make sure you have data services on your account!

Posted by: F.Ruehl

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Originally posted by Okigire
...make sure you have data services on your account!

That's not necessary. Just use your operator's internet access number or any ISP's.

Posted by: Okigire

Since the computer places a "data" call through the phone, you'll run into a problem if you try and dialup to some ISP without data services. The network will simply reject your call. On the Nokia 6190, it reads CHECK OPERATOR SERVICES.

Posted by: F.Ruehl

I don't have any data services activated and I can connect to my ISP just like with any modem from a fixed line. Maybe this depends on your network operator's infrastructure but data calls aren't generally necessary.

Posted by: Okigire

Perhaps your network allows data calls (by default)? Locally in Canada, our network(s) recognizes and restricts data calls by default.

Posted by: F.Ruehl

I don't think that's the point. In my case the S40 doesn't start a data call, just an ordinary voice call to my ISP like any analog modem. What follows is handshake, authorisation etc., then I'm online. No difference to what I do from my home PC.

Posted by: Okigire

Data calls should be handled uniquely (according to the GSM spec). What happens because of what rights and restrictions might vary at your end... here, they're restricted (because data calls are rejected unless otherwise).

I've looked through the spec and explained it somewhat thoroghly in another thread... [Here].

There are a lot of things where I see problems with just a "voice call" but I won't go into too much detail.

So, for the user on Cingular, he may or may not need to specially request for data services (since I don't know how Cingular works). On Microcell, you do.

Posted by: F.Ruehl

To my knowledge tha data call feature is really needed for incoming data calls only. I don't see a reason why it shouldn't be possible to "wrap" outgoing "data calls" in voice calls. The network doesn't need to know it's in fact a data call, as long as your phone and you ISP can communicate. At least here in Germany they can.

Posted by: grid

It doesn't seem to work that way here... whenever I try to initiate a call from my Palm or iPaq, it says 'Data Call' at the top of the display on my S40... what does yours say?

Posted by: F.Ruehl

Nothing special, it behaves just like it's a voice call.

Posted by: Okigire

Thats interesting... how do you have the phone/computer connected?

The phone should not be the actual modem... it simply sends the data over to your network and THEY are the modem that do the DAC.

Maybe your network is set up differently or you have a different connection between the phone and the computer/unit. Otherwise, all sessions handled by my PDA and computer are identified as making a "Data call".

If you want to "wrap" or mask a data call, just use an analogue modem between the phone and the computer. The call will go out as analogue voice and the mo-/dem'ing is done at your end instead of the network.

Either case, we're talking about somebody on Cingular, and whichever concerns Cingular is what is most important here. Our phones make "data"-mode calls and are restricted and it seems Cingular is the same.

Posted by: grid

The S40 specs say that it has a modem built in... what gives? Theoretically, F.Ruehl is correct to say that we should be able to connect using the regular voice line.

F.Ruehl, what are you doing to connect? What steps/drivers? Anything special?

Posted by: Okigire

I believe when it says "the S40 has a modem built in", it's telling us that it has full support for emulating one and being able to send the data we know over the network. I've been told that the network is the part that actually does the MOdulating and DEModulating ("MO-DEM") from digital to analogue.

If you've read the other thread... I've gone over how a call is recognized uniquiely as "data". There is a restriction apparent on the Microcell network. I'd assume it would be the same on Cingular (but not necessary).

Otherwise, that would be theoretically correct. Just like your POTS line at home, it's just your average call because the digital data is converted to analogue "noise" and that noise is what is being sent over the line (and can be done also on the cell phone, but is not what usually happens!).

This is the same reason why 56k modems only provide high speed one way... the telco switch does the conversion, not you so when you do the conversion with your modem, you lose the ability to have the higher speed.

I'm curious what F.Ruehl has set up...

Posted by: F.Ruehl

I just went through the whole procedure:

I installed the S40 as a Windows modem with the INF-file provided by Siemens and assigned it to the virtual infrared COM port.

Then I created a dialup connection with the S40 as modem and the special internet access number of my network operator.

Connections are then established with 9.600 bps. The display shows "data call" thus proving I'm wrong with what I said before. Sorry!

However, I definitely don't have subscribed to any data services offered by my operator. According to my operator's user guide this is only necessary for incoming data calls. In this case you get an additional number.

My summary: I can connect to the internet with the S40 like with any PC modem. But it seems that your network operator must support this somehow.

Posted by: Okigire

Ooh, our network doesn't have any "support" for incoming data. Thanks for mentioning that as I was a little puzzled with one of the menu options in the phone.

Anyhow... I guess on your network, data calls are transparent, being handled the same as normal voice calls. Too bad it's not the same here...