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8700c vs 7130
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Posted by: imalowan

I finally got my hands on a 8700c at a local Cingular store. I have to tell you that the keys sucked and I didn't get it. They are small, and almost rubbery feeling in typing. Nothing like the 72XX which is much, much better. The 71XX including 7130 keys are much better. Before buying one, try it.

Posted by: GregGebhardt

I tried the 8700c for a few days and went back to my 7520. While the 8700 has some "plus" features. It is not a better phone than my 7520 and does not get or send email any quicker.

The build quality of the 7520 blows the socks off of the 8700. In only a few days the loose battery cover and dust under the screen made me quite glad to be back to my 7520

Posted by: jase88

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Originally Posted by GregGebhardt

I tried the 8700c for a few days and went back to my 7520. While the 8700 has some "plus" features. It is not a better phone than my 7520 and does not get or send email any quicker.

The build quality of the 7520 blows the socks off of the 8700. In only a few days the loose battery cover and dust under the screen made me quite glad to be back to my 7520

You went back? Wow...it was that bad??? Hmmm...

You didn't find the phone quality any better? Including audio?!

Posted by: imalowan

When I finally saw it and felt it on my hands, it wasn't that much smaller than the 72XX. The 7100 feels better as you don't get the feel that you are holding a brick next to you ear as you do with the 7200 / 8700. I was not impressed by the 8700 at all. Yes it was a little thinner than the 7130 but it didn't feel any better.

As I have had a 7100T for a while, I can tell you that the 7130e is better. The spacing of the keys help and the quality is much better. I am sure that the 7105 is just as good. Once you get used to suretype (takes about an hour) which is lightyears ahead of T9 as it learns words that you used and gets them from emails that are send to you as well (puts those words in the Custom Wordlist database automactically and has access to them) its a no brainer.

The 7130e is a great solution for folks that travel and bring their PC as well. As CDMA is much faster than edge and Verizon's Network is bigger than Cingular's edge network, I can't see any reason why you would go with the 8700 which cost more as well.

my 2 cents

Posted by: GregGebhardt

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Originally Posted by jase88

You went back? Wow...it was that bad??? Hmmm...

You didn't find the phone quality any better? Including audio?!

The external speaker on the 8700 was a little better, but the earpiece volume was terrible. At full the volume the 8700 could not muster 1.2 the volume of the 7520 earpiece. The 7520's p-hone section worked very well.

I did not like the build quality of the 8700, remonded me too much of the 71XX series.

I am back in a new 7520 and really liking it!

Posted by: shamrock

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Originally Posted by GregGebhardt

I did not like the build quality of the 8700, remonded me too much of the 71XX series.

I am back in a new 7520 and really liking it!

holy crap.....i cant believe you are saying this now!!!!.....i purchased the 8700 purely because you did, and you were head over heals a fan of the 8700 vs. the 7520.....dayumn.....i have never tried the 7520, and may stick with nextel and give one a try now.....i think the voice quality of my nextel is much better than cingulars, but that is only when the robotic voices of nextel are gone.....greg, how is the speed of the web browser for the 7520.....can it browse html just as well as the 8700, speed aside?

Posted by: imalowan

Just go back to Verizon. I know their big and all but they have the best network, and unlike Cingular which take days to speak to a customer service rep, you can always get someone at Verizon. I wasn't nuts of going back to them, as they cost more than T-mobile but at the end of the day, its the network. IT is the network. (and they are less than nextel)

Posted by: imalowan

One last thing, with In I have noticed that I am not using anywhere near the amount of mins that I was. I am down at lease 30% due to others being "in" , so if we take that into account, Verizon is also cheaper

Posted by: Seattle18

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Originally Posted by imalowan

One last thing, with In I have noticed that I am not using anywhere near the amount of mins that I was. I am down at lease 30% due to others being "in" , so if we take that into account, Verizon is also cheaper

Umm, are you serious? It takes me all of 30-60 seconds to get a CS rep, and there are more Cing cutomers on their "network" than Verizon, so technically you have a wider possibility of not using minutes on Cing's network than Verizon's! Anyone on Cing Orange or old AT&T are included on your free calling network, plus a little thing called rollover!

Posted by: MooseBerry

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Originally Posted by ocean18

It's my understanding that cingular is only bigger because of the merger of two companies, and they are losing customers every month while Verizon picks up customers. Soon Verizon will have more customers and that's without any merger.
Right now, I'm trying out a 8700c and I can't make up my mind. I like the qwerty keyboard, but the keys are small and so close together that I'm making all sort of errors. That sucks!

Posted by: Avironeur

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Rollover is a scam. If your minutes are constantly rolling over that simply means you need to be on a lower plan. Why would I care if my minutes rollover if I am not using the monthly allotment that I already have? Most users average the same minute usage from month to month anyway. The 8700c has a fairly bad keypad and Cingular service is not as impressive here in DC as people would claim. I find my coverage on par with T-Mobile and as I do not travel to rural areas or take long road trips often, the added rural coverage on Cingular is not important to me

The real deal-breaker with Cingular is that they are still using the older Blackberry Web Client rather than the newer BIS (Blackberry Internet Service) that T-Mo uses. The old web client only allows you to have one 'reply' from address whereas the BIS let's you reply from any address comfigured to work with your Berry. Why pay twice as much per month on Cingular for a service that doesn't perform as well just to have a newer device that T-mo will end up releasing later anyway? That's my 2 cents.

Posted by: pokinatchapunk

Avironeur... you could not have said it any better. Rollover is a huge scam. I am a verizon wireless sales rep (and no that doesnt make me one sided, as i have had all carriers and decided to work for verizon cause i liked them best) and i get customers that come in all the time and say..."well i have a thousand minutes a month and last month i had 800 minutes rollover!" I am like, : then if your only using 200 minutes a month, why the hell are you paying for a thousand?" Well anyways I just ordered my very own b-berry 7130E i have sold two so far since december 1st (One last night) and the first customer loves it. I hope I like it, as i have never used a b-berry before. And for the record about people saying cingular has more customers and verizon has more customers and blah blah....... Cingular each month does pull in more customers, but there churn for current customers is horrible. So the way its looking, shortly verizon will be taking more customers per month and they will continue to take cingular customers. verizon will soon be the #1 carrier

ok thats my 2 cents as well

Posted by: Seattle18

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Originally Posted by Moose566

Yes, it is because of the merger, but they are also GAINING more customers than they are losing - your info is incorrect. Read the background and you will that your company is also from a merger, so don't think that bthey acme out of nowhere and took the country by storm...
As for the keyboard, it takes time to get used to anything new. I have had mine for over a week now and I am quite speedy with the keyboard.

Posted by: Seattle18

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Originally Posted by Avironeur

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Rollover is a scam. If your minutes are constantly rolling over that simply means you need to be on a lower plan. Why would I care if my minutes rollover if I am not using the monthly allotment that I already have? Most users average the same minute usage from month to month anyway. The 8700c has a fairly bad keypad and Cingular service is not as impressive here in DC as people would claim. I find my coverage on par with T-Mobile and as I do not travel to rural areas or take long road trips often, the added rural coverage on Cingular is not important to me

The real deal-breaker with Cingular is that they are still using the older Blackberry Web Client rather than the newer BIS (Blackberry Internet Service) that T-Mo uses. The old web client only allows you to have one 'reply' from address whereas the BIS let's you reply from any address comfigured to work with your Berry. Why pay twice as much per month on Cingular for a service that doesn't perform as well just to have a newer device that T-mo will end up releasing later anyway? That's my 2 cents.

Rollover is not a scam. It has come in handy for me on several occasions. Of course your an idiot if you are paying for 2000 minutes and your monthly usage hovers around 500, but that's not what ppl do, if smart. I get 1400 monthly minutes, and use between 1000-1300 on average each month. I also have a family plan with 4 total users, and it is impossible to guestimate what we all will need each month. There have been times in the past when those rollover mins were helpful, especially one month when we had a family emergency and found ourselves on the phones an extra 400+ minutes, which rollover just barely covered for us that time. Other times we have gone over by 100+ mins and rollover has been there each time to cover us. Scam, I think not. If you can guess exactly how many mins you need each month and never go over, you should bottle it and sell it, because you're the only one.

As for the BIS service, I am unhappy as well, but it will not be this way forever. They will upgrade soon and then be on par with T-Mo's BIS. In the meantime I have a routing system through Gmail that is making life easier for me. To-may-to, to-mah-to.

Posted by: Seattle18

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Originally Posted by pokinatchapunk

Avironeur... you could not have said it any better. Rollover is a huge scam. I am a verizon wireless sales rep (and no that doesnt make me one sided, as i have had all carriers and decided to work for verizon cause i liked them best) and i get customers that come in all the time and say..."well i have a thousand minutes a month and last month i had 800 minutes rollover!" I am like, : then if your only using 200 minutes a month, why the hell are you paying for a thousand?" Well anyways I just ordered my very own b-berry 7130E i have sold two so far since december 1st (One last night) and the first customer loves it. I hope I like it, as i have never used a b-berry before. And for the record about people saying cingular has more customers and verizon has more customers and blah blah....... Cingular each month does pull in more customers, but there churn for current customers is horrible. So the way its looking, shortly verizon will be taking more customers per month and they will continue to take cingular customers. verizon will soon be the #1 carrier

ok thats my 2 cents as well

Like I said above, that guy is an idiot if they buy 1000 and only use 200 - you should slap then when they say that.

Posted by: Avironeur

For me being able to respond to my work email using my work email address is essential to any email solution....I obviously don't want to respond to my personal accounts using my work email address as the work email is periodically audited for content so the T-Mobile BIS solution is ideal for my needs right now.

Posted by: nskgti23

My favorite is when you are off of Verizon's network, ie much of the midwest, you don't get ANY DATA COVERAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is enough reason for me to not move to Verizon. Plus I travel overseas (ie no verizon service)...

Posted by: imalowan

ITs Roll over, it terrible customer service, and its more drop calls in a day with Cingular than I have had in 3 years with Verizon. To show you how bad they are, I returned my 7290 about a year ago (within the first 2 weeks due to bad coverage and drop calls in New York City!) and I am still getting monthly bills showing a balace of 0.00 - almost a year later... And no, I don't work for or resell Verizon or anyone else.

T mobile is a million times better customer serivce and their network is about as good for GSM (in fact they share most of the towers and have sharing agreement in places). - and are about 25% less.

I have a few friends that are on Cingular and all I can say it that they can't wait to finish their contracts to switch - to Verizon.

Posted by: Avironeur

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Verizon allows limited off network data roaming with partner carriers like Alltel etc but I agree that they need to step up their game with seamless GSM style data roaming.

Posted by: pokinatchapunk

ocean18, i will have to find the article that i found that has an interview with the ceo of cingular. it was made available for us employees at vzw. he states that the reason they get the newest phones and special rights to things is becuase they get more customers each month BUT they have a huge problem with churn. they cant keep the current customers they have. he even stated that cingular is about 1 year behind verizon in getting things above par. that includes churn (which verizon has the lowest), customer service, and all around signal. i am sure i can reprint the article. trends are showing that within 1.5-2yrs verizon will have the market share.

on another note, evdo from verizon runs around 400-700k, when edge runs like 100-200k (not sure if correct) , is edge ever going to get faster? cuase i know edge can go pretty much wherever gsm goes, but can it go faster? anyone know? i cant find a straight answer

Posted by: briareus

Coverage obviously varies from market to market but Cingular does provide better coverage than T-Mobile where I am. I can't speak for Verizon but I generally prefer sticking with GSM providers as I can switch devices as the mood strikes. Verizon's alleged coverage and EVDO are both appealing though...

The only other reason I'm using Cingular for my primary phone is because the company pays for it. If I was stuck with the bill and Cingular's horrid customer service, I'd switch in an instant. T-Mobile is stellar by comparison but their coverage has holes in my area, especially at my house where there is pretty much no coverage.

Posted by: pokinatchapunk

That is one thing i can say about t-mobile, is they do have stellar customer service. There is a t-mobile by where i work and i know all the guys, i have seen them get people 2 months of free service because of small complaints. thats what can make or break a company....it's all about the customer service.

Posted by: Seattle18

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Originally Posted by pokinatchapunk

ocean18, i will have to find the article that i found that has an interview with the ceo of cingular. it was made available for us employees at vzw. he states that the reason they get the newest phones and special rights to things is becuase they get more customers each month BUT they have a huge problem with churn. they cant keep the current customers they have. he even stated that cingular is about 1 year behind verizon in getting things above par. that includes churn (which verizon has the lowest), customer service, and all around signal. i am sure i can reprint the article. trends are showing that within 1.5-2yrs verizon will have the market share.

on another note, evdo from verizon runs around 400-700k, when edge runs like 100-200k (not sure if correct) , is edge ever going to get faster? cuase i know edge can go pretty much wherever gsm goes, but can it go faster? anyone know? i cant find a straight answer

Soon there will be faster service, UTMS I thin it is called, on GAM networks. The main thing I hate about VZW is the inability to use the phone of my choice, being locked in to whatever the company offers. Also, I have had Cing for over a year without ANY problems. When I was with VZW I had spotty coverage, as well as when I was with Sprint (pre-Nextel). To me, as soon as Cing updates their BIS and reduces their BB plans it will be perfect, until then I am happy to continue getting the excellent service and top notch products...

Posted by: Seattle18

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Originally Posted by pokinatchapunk

http://cingular.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=pageB&item=3

Posted by: briareus

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Originally Posted by imalowan

I finally got my hands on a 8700c at a local Cingular store. I have to tell you that the keys sucked and I didn't get it. They are small, and almost rubbery feeling in typing. Nothing like the 72XX which is much, much better. The 71XX including 7130 keys are much better. Before buying one, try it.

Definitely try the devices. While the 8700c keyboard wasn't as nice as the 7290's it simply took some getting used to. I've been totally happy with it. I personally can't stand the SureType on the 7100 series.

Posted by: XDS2005

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To all of you who believe that A unperched and untweaked network is promising I say to you this.

I'd rather blead now then pay later.