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HTC/Cingular 8100 & 8125 Related Off-Topic Discussion
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Posted by: jetli

Our beloved Cingular 8100 & 8125 pre-release thread was locked as of yesterday until release. But for those of us who have gotten used to checking a 8100/8125 thread constantly for information, any kind of information, informative or not, constructive or not, as long as it is related to the 8100/8125, this thread shall take up where the previous one left off and carry us through the long and arduous journey until the release date.

So post away. If you called Cingular, if you have "inside info", if you heard something about a delay, if you would like to discuss the pros and cons of the phone, everything is welcome.

Posted by: pfonke

Whatever happened to that guy who claimed he worked at the Tampa police and he was arranging a bulk purchase from a seller across the street? That one got pretty quiet about a week ago, but a dozen or so of the regulars on this thread had "signed up" with him.

Posted by: Ant

haha isnt the reason he closed off the existing post so that it doesnt clutter?

Posted by: abendx

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Originally Posted by pfonke

Whatever happened to that guy who claimed he worked at the Tampa police and he was arranging a bulk purchase from a seller across the street? That one got pretty quiet about a week ago, but a dozen or so of the regulars on this thread had "signed up" with him.

what!? you didn't get hooked up by sincere0012 ??

i took him up and contacted carlos.... carlos had me send sincere0012 the cash and low and behold.... i got an e-mail from sincere0012 stating that spaceEX would be delivering it soon

i think there is an added benefit of using carlos... he hooked me up with a plan from the space alien cell phone store.... 20,000 minutes a month for six celelouns.... i am not sure of the conversion rate as google can't figure it out, but carlos was positive it was a good deal.... i think i have to pay through sincere0012 tho as he has been taking cash out of my bank account six times a day since i sent him my credit card numbers, bank account numbers, social security numbers, mom's madien name and the birth dates of both her and i.

trust these guys.... you will not be sorry.

Posted by: kwhilden

Has anyone compared the look and feel of the Cingular 8125 to the QTEK 9100 or K-JAM? Specifically, is the keyboard easier to see or use on either phone? I tried out the Sprint version, where the keyboard is similar to the 8125, and it was hard to read the letters due to low contrast. The QTEK seems to have better contrast. I'm also concerned that the menu keys on the 8125 are compressed into the QWERTY layout and will get hit inadvertently.

Regarding size, are all dimension identical? From pictures, the 8125 seems to be less thick than the QTEK, but I'm not so sure this isn't an optical illusion.

Are there any other functional differences between the 9100 and 8125? Are all ports, jacks, and inputs identical?

Posted by: toyfreak

I stopped by my favorite (?) Cingular store to see their 8125 dummy phone (I've handled the k-jam and wanted a comparison.) Guess what? Oops, we thought you meant the 2125... Sorry dude, we don't know anything about that one except it's been on our price sheet for 3 months now (the prices seen widely on the web are accurate.)

My biggest gripe on the Wizard 100 vs. 200 is the lack of a lanyard loop on the upcoming 8125 (Wizard 100.) This may seem trivial until you drop your $700 phone, then it's not so trival anymore.

Posted by: dday64

I asked my Microsoft rep today about the phone, and he said he has heard of it, but doesn't know of a release date. Note that I just work for a random retail store, not one that deals with phones. But the rep does know if it.

Posted by: xbox360gamer

I just saw an internal Cingular document that says the 8125 has a tentative launch date of Jan 9th.

(take that for whatever its worth...)

Posted by: I have a phone

unfortunately that date was pushed back

Posted by: dday64

Pushed back as in 'that's not so bad' or pushed back as in 'those poor saps have a long way to go'?

Posted by: hitechy

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Originally Posted by xbox360gamer

I just saw an internal Cingular document that says the 8125 has a tentative launch date of Jan 9th.

(take that for whatever its worth...)

Where did you see this document?

Posted by: Free Man

I noticed that you have lots of posts telling of how all kinds of phones are being "pushed back", one even today in a ROKR related post. You either think you know every release date or none at all. Why don't you stop saying when it won't be released and step up to the plate and say when it will, or actually contribute by giving an estimate based on some facts, or inside knowledge. Try that out for a change, then maybe your posts will be of value to the community. Until then.

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Originally Posted by I have a phone

unfortunately that date was pushed back

Posted by: Free Man

I called for an update today, spoke with customer service who checked while I was on hold regarding the phone. She had no clue and the person whom she checked with didn't either except the phone is "in the system". It seems that information disemination is not at the top of the priority list at Cingular these days. I checked with a local corporate store and the fellow said he heard mid January for what that's worth.

Posted by: dday64

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Originally Posted by Free Man

Why don't you stop saying when it won't be released and step up to the plate and say when it will, or actually contribute by giving an estimate based on some facts, or inside knowledge. Try that out for a change, then maybe your posts will be of value to the community.

You don't seem to understand how this type of thing works do you?

People like IHAP are saying as much as they possibly can without the risk of losing their jobs. It's VERY easy for a company to track someone down, especially if they post on message boards. IHAP has no interest in risking his job or whatever he has that gives him access to 'inside information' by giving it all out to people, especially those who continually insult him like you.

He's saying what he can. He isn't holding back on purpose. He's holding back because he can't even really legally say what he is, let alone anything else, without risking a lot.

I have first hand experience of this: A few years back I saw the Palm Tungsten C in our system at work before it was ever announced. I posted it on Palm message boards, and a few days later I was called into my manager's office, saying that Palm had contacted my corporate office and wanted me fired for releasing that information. It was a scary day. Luckily I was able to keep my job, but I know someone else who also got in trouble for the same thing, from the same site, with the same company, who didn't.

Posted by: stuXstu

I am kind of confused to why the "original" thread was closed. It was fun, entertaining and had lots of people posting. The vast majority of posts was on topic. IE the 8125. Sure there was some other stuff in there, but that is bound to happen with a topic that has that many people posting.

So to keep this on topic..... I hope that the colors are more like the I-Mate/Qtek version. I heard, via my direct connection with the aliens that run the universe, that the release date was actually August 3rd, 2003. Just a delivery problem from UPS.

Posted by: I have a phone

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Originally Posted by Free Man

I noticed that you have lots of posts telling of how all kinds of phones are being "pushed back", one even today in a ROKR related post. You either think you know every release date or none at all. Why don't you stop saying when it won't be released and step up to the plate and say when it will, or actually contribute by giving an estimate based on some facts, or inside knowledge. Try that out for a change, then maybe your posts will be of value to the community. Until then.

*yawn* you don't have to believe a thing I say. That's your choice pal

Posted by: xbox360gamer

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Originally Posted by hitechy

Where did you see this document?

on CSP on my buddy's work computer. I get to see all the "insider" scoop.

Posted by: xbox360gamer

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Originally Posted by dday64

People like IHAP are saying as much as they possibly can without the risk of losing their jobs. It's VERY easy for a company to track someone down, especially if they post on message boards. IHAP has no interest in risking his job or whatever he has that gives him access to 'inside information' by giving it all out to people, especially those who continually insult him like you.

that may be true, but other people (like myself) also have access to some of Cingular's "insider scoop" as well. but unlike an official Cingular employee, I dont work for the company so therefore I dont have nothing to lose, so I can say and repeat anything I hear.

what are they going to do? fire me? ha!

Posted by: Seltzer

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Originally Posted by Free Man

For what it's worth, my buddy's plumber has a daughter who's friend with girl that knows the cousin of Brian Shay's (Regional President) gardener who actually confirms the information IHAP is posting as being true.

Posted by: xbox360gamer

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Originally Posted by Seltzer

lol - that was funny.

so the secret's out. IHAP is Brian Shay's gardener.

Posted by: Rex Orbis2

I talked to my regional rep earlier today, and she hadn't even heard of the phone, let alone having a release date. It was a depressing thought when it was clearly in our phone comparison grid but that the rep hadn't even seen it. I know that doesn't really add anything new, but still its good to have as much information as possible.

Posted by: Perceptions

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Originally Posted by Seltzer

For what it is worth....

Stan called me today because the fourth for his weekly golf game had cancelled on him.

So it was Stan, Osama, Elvis, and myself on the dreaded Par 4 13th hole shooting the breeze. As always I was trying to dig myself out of the sand trap when Stan brought up the HTC 8125. Apparently the Military had finally found the Weapons of Mass Destruction in the shipment of phones that were coming from HTC. Needless to say there was a delay as HTC and Cingular had to explain themselves before a UN Council Meeting.

Turns out the visual evidence that Collin Powell had brought of a mobile chemical lab turned out to be a UPS truck...go figure. Everything should be fine and dandy in the next couple of weeks.

Posted by: toyfreak

If we're going to bring up politics, maybe when we find the Rose Law Firm billing records the vaporware 8125s will be there too. Hillary, are you listening? Show us the money (and the phones!)

Posted by: jetli

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Originally Posted by dday64

Pushed back as in 'that's not so bad' or pushed back as in 'those poor saps have a long way to go'?

I think this is a very good question

It would be great if we could see a hint or two

Posted by: jetli

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Originally Posted by dday64

With all due respect to IHAP and with absolutely no intention of accusing him of anything, I'd like to point something out.

The only way to track someone down through a post on these forums is through one of three channels:
1. Your username, your public profile, and your past posts. Or collectively called your forum identity.
2. Your IP address (note to acquire this you would have to get consent of the forum owner or moderator).
3. More advanced, and would require complete control over the forum on which you are posting on: cookies and other form of server-client information digging

Now, if someone with insider knowledge who is concerned with being tracked desires to help the community out, he could simply create a new username with a blank profile (defeats #1), and use a public computer like a library computer (defeats #2 and #3). The only way that the person may be tracked down is if he is the only one (or one of the very few) in the entire Cingular Corporate employee base who actually has this insider info.

Granted this is a lot to ask someone who has the insider info, and I don't even know if I would do all this if I was the one with the info, but I know someone who is truly bent on helping out the community would. Now obviously there are limitations with this: that the new guy may have credibility issues, or if the people after you are persistant enough they may see who else participates in the same particular forum and conjecture who the poster is, but they would have no PROOF that you posted it.

Just a little factual information for people out there who may be lead to think that they are being tracked every second.

Posted by: mademan118

if you do a search on IHAP's name... he has posted alot of information. Freeman or whatever, you have provided several release dates yourself from 'your sources' but you have been wrong each and everytime. When Jan 9th comes around, you will see you are wrong once again. The best way to go about this phone release is this: When its on the Website for either B2B, Consumer, Or Corp store... then you know its out. When someone besides a cingular rep, friend of a cingular insider has the phone it is out. I doubt its coming out early january. I project late january/early feb. The treo 700w is also coming around that time, not saying that cingular is trying to be competitive (cause if they were it would have been out by x-mas).

Posted by: jetli

Last I heard the official launch date from Verizon for the Treo 600w AND the XV6700/HTC Apache was January 5th, 2005.

XV6700/HTC Apache: http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...t=804274&page=1
Treo 600w: http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...t=803423&page=1

If the XV6700 wasn't so aesthetically inferior I'd jump on it. Actually I'm still considering it. The specs are comparable.

Posted by: dday64

Just a random question, although I think it's pretty much obvious from the pictures of the 8125.

Are we getting the connected keypad or the small circle keypad? And which do you think is easier to type on?

Posted by: toyfreak

I've tried both keypads (the small keys on a k-jam and the larger ones on a Sprint 6700.) Personally, I prefer the larger keys on the 6700 for typing and the smaller, separated WM 5 softkeys on the k-jam. Since I can't have both on one device, I'd take the larger keys for typing and live with the embedded softkeys. I also prefer the looks of the Wizard 100 series over the 200, but I haven't seen one in the flesh, only the Apache. And, on the subject of 100 vs. 200 series differences, where is the 100's lanyard hole? I've brought this up before but nobody has weighed in on it. I think this is an important thing to have and don't see any good reason to leave it out. Also, does anyone know which is the "newer" hardware design (100 vs. 200?)

Posted by: Free Man

LOL, the main problem is that I have never once said the phone will be out on any certain date and you elude to me saying the 9th which I never said so that is a complete bunk. Second the only information I have shared is from calling up B2B and Business Solutions and shared the information straight up.

If IHAP can't share any information without getting fired then don't share any information. If you can then do. It's really that simple. You say he cannot, yet he clearly does. And no their is no fine line, you can either share information here to contribute or you can't. I don't mind if he can't like you say, but clearly that is not what he is in fact doing.

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Originally Posted by mademan118

if you do a search on IHAP's name... he has posted alot of information. Freeman or whatever, you have provided several release dates yourself from 'your sources' but you have been wrong each and everytime. When Jan 9th comes around, you will see you are wrong once again. The best way to go about this phone release is this: When its on the Website for either B2B, Consumer, Or Corp store... then you know its out. When someone besides a cingular rep, friend of a cingular insider has the phone it is out. I doubt its coming out early january. I project late january/early feb. The treo 700w is also coming around that time, not saying that cingular is trying to be competitive (cause if they were it would have been out by x-mas).

Posted by: I have a phone

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Originally Posted by Seltzer

Posted by: butzchan

If 'insiders' can (legally) do nothing more than discredit the posts of others, I fail to see their importance. They should take their job more seriously, and quit posting.

Posted by: Omega2008

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Originally Posted by Free Man

LOL, the main problem is that I have never once said the phone will be out on any certain date and you elude to me saying the 9th which I never said so that is a complete bunk. Second the only information I have shared is from calling up B2B and Business Solutions and shared the information straight up.

If IHAP can't share any information without getting fired then don't share any information. If you can then do. It's really that simple. You say he cannot, yet he clearly does. And no their is no fine line, you can either share information here to contribute or you can't. I don't mind if he can't like you say, but clearly that is not what he is in fact doing.

Why does it matter!?! All it boils down too is that it will be out when its out. IHAP doesn't owe you or anyone else anything, you can take what he says to be true or complete garbage, its your choice. Arguing the point in TWO threads is futile.

Posted by: abendx

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Originally Posted by stuXstu

I heard, via my direct connection with the aliens that run the universe, that the release date was actually August 3rd, 2003. Just a delivery problem from UPS.

what are you trying to say..... does this phone also include analog?

Posted by: Free Man

Hear, Hear!

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Originally Posted by butzchan

If 'insiders' can (legally) do nothing more than discredit the posts of others, I fail to see their importance. They should take their job more seriously, and quit posting.

Posted by: Free Man

If it is futile, then, please, by all means stop your arguing.

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Originally Posted by Omega2008

Posted by: Omega2008

I am not arguing with you, I am stating a fact, that is it. If you must continue this take it to a PM.

Posted by: AngelJo008

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Originally Posted by pfonke

I was one of the ones that was curious about it, but never took him up on it--I got a k-jam instead--haven't heard from him since I got the k-jam--I think he meant well, it may have been the guy carlos that was shadey

Posted by: pfonke

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Originally Posted by butzchan

If 'insiders' can (legally) do nothing more than discredit the posts of others, I fail to see their importance. They should take their job more seriously, and quit posting.

Isn't there obvious value in debunking false information? Do people spreading incorrect information (unintentionally or otherwise) about a phone have some right to not be "discredited" by insiders unless those insiders can also provide firm release dates? I don't follow the logic.

When someone passes along information that the release date is supposedly coming up soon, I get my hopes up. When a reliable source like IHAP tells me that information is no longer good, I gratefully adjust my expectations and go check the 6682 thread.

Posted by: dstrauss

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Originally Posted by toyfreak

I've tried both keypads (the small keys on a k-jam and the larger ones on a Sprint 6700.) Personally, I prefer the larger keys on the 6700 for typing and the smaller, separated WM 5 softkeys on the k-jam. Since I can't have both on one device, I'd take the larger keys for typing and live with the embedded softkeys. I also prefer the looks of the Wizard 100 series over the 200, but I haven't seen one in the flesh, only the Apache. And, on the subject of 100 vs. 200 series differences, where is the 100's lanyard hole? I've brought this up before but nobody has weighed in on it. I think this is an important thing to have and don't see any good reason to leave it out. Also, does anyone know which is the "newer" hardware design (100 vs. 200?)

For some reason I recall seeing a review of the K-Jam where they said it was the "200" model - aka - newer model. The 100 was based upon the Dopod release of the first design of the Wizard series. Go figure.

Either way, the K-Jam looks "slimmer" just by design. The 8125 looks boxy to me - but - if it saves $200-300 and doesn't have to be sent to Dubai for repairs, I'll overlook industrial design for function and price.

Posted by: stuXstu

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Originally Posted by abendx

what are you trying to say..... does this phone also include analog?

No analog, but it does have telegraph (morse code), pony express, smoke signals and stone tablets. I am really excited about the smoke signal capability, I think it will work with my Mac.

... now where did my fire proof suit go?

No back to your regularly scheduled diversion from reality.

Posted by: toyfreak

Take this with a grain of salt:

http://reviews.cnet.com/5208-7817-0...ssageID=1616661

Now it may be Feb. 1 (sigh...)

Posted by: MrDSL

I really don't understand why a few users here seem to be bashing IHAP's info but I assure you release is gonna be very close to what he has said a long time ago just like I have seen with other phones again and again. I could care less what anyone at Cingular says over the phone or in the store about phone release dates because they are ALWAYS wrong unless the phone is already released and even then they sometimes don't know the phone is released..

Posted by: jman44

Peeps...
I found out some disturbing info as of this morning. Yesterday I received a call from a clost friend at the God Pod aka Atlanta stating that the earliest that this device will release is January 30th. Now from what I am hearing, it might not release whatsoever. The testing did not go as planned and it keeps pushing back and back and back. I think that this will be another episode of the Sony Ericsson P800. Time will tell.....

Posted by: butzchan

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Originally Posted by pfonke

I agree. There is some value in debunking false information. But the point is missed without further information to back up or sustain the debunked information. Kind of like disagreeing just to disagree...without any reason or logic.

There have been plenty of insiders that have posted with great information and backed it up with facts. In this instance, debunked release dates with a reason for the delay.

Posted by: tonyrojas2007

Hey guys, ive really gotten into this discussion on the the Cingular 8125.
But im brand new here, most of the time just checking the site out as a guest but i thought i should post these FCC Pics of the phone to keep ya going...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tonyrojas2007/78345461/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tonyrojas2007/78345459/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tonyrojas2007/78345460/

if you want the "FCC" PDF files to the phone, just send me an email at: tonyrojas2007@gmail.com and ill send them to ya.
(the pdf files have some more pics of the phone's insides and the phone itself)

Posted by: AngelJo008

I'm glad I didn't wait if the latest RUMOURS are true

Especially after looking at the latest pics by TR--I really like the style of the k-jam far better than the boxey look of the 8125--as usual It takes Cingular waaaay too long to release a product--by the time it does get released a newer /better/faster/more gagets phone will have been released.

Posted by: tonyrojas2007

Sad But True

Posted by: toyfreak

The longer we all wait for the Cingular 8125, the better you all can feel about your decision to fork over your hard-earned cash for the k-jam/qtek 9100. Now I'm caught between wondering if I should have done the same and waiting for Cingular. (And hoping they don't mess it up hardware/software wise on top of the delays...)

Three Cheers

for those who boldly go where Cingular has not yet gone...

Posted by: AngelJo008

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Originally Posted by toyfreak

The longer we all wait for the Cingular 8125, the better you all can feel about your decision to fork over your hard-earned cash for the k-jam/qtek 9100. Now I'm caught between wondering if I should have done the same and waiting for Cingular. (And hoping they don't mess it up hardware/software wise on top of the delays...)

Three Cheers

for those who boldly go where Cingular has not yet gone...

for me it was a diferent story though--I had killed my sx66 and had insured it upto $700.00 USD so I was able to take my insurance claim and buy myself a k-jam--otherwise I'd still be waiting just like you all are on the 8125--I have always liked the k-jam's style over the 8125 but money was an issue before.

I guess things DO happen for a reason!!!

Posted by: abendx

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Originally Posted by AngelJo008

I'm glad I didn't wait if the latest RUMOURS are true

no no..... the rumors are not true, it will be released later today or tomorrow. you ask.... "how does he know that?"

well murphy has the answer.... and he says, abendx ordered a QTEK 9100 today and will have it tomorrow; therefore, the 8125 will be released before fedEX drops off the QTEK.

blame angelJo008 and/or echau for this great news... not me!

(btw.... want a qtek at a decent price.... phonesource-usa has them for 640 and they seem to be on the level.... no space aliens or group buys by some dude named sincere (or carlos))

Posted by: AngelJo008

I detect a note of sarcasim in your post

Posted by: .7

The way this thread is going is exactly why the original thread was locked.

I will open the original sticky soon because its obvious that some members like to contribute to pages and pages worth of hearsay. I'm all for the causal discussion but the sticky is 70 some odd pages and I would be willing to get that 20 pages worth has no informational value whatsoever. There are some of you that don't mind this but there are other members who would rather not read 70 pages worth of other members bickering about who's right and wrong about the release date and other time wasting posts.

Also, the post about release dates is getting out of hand. Is the thread about the phone or about where people work and who has the right to post what and who can back what up? No one is required to believe or prove anything to anyone, or even if someone tried I doubt it would be done to anyone satisfaction. From here on out, if you have information about the release date post it and be done with it, everyone is free to believe it or not but from here on our ANY FURTHER ARGUMENT ABOUT RELEASE DATES BETWEEN OTHER MEMBERS WILL EARN THEM A TEMPORARY VACATION. If you disagree, take it to PM but this will be the end of it here. I encourage other members to report any sign of this so I or Bobo can take a look at it.

Lastly, the sticky will reopen shortly as I will give folks time to read my post so just be patient. Please keep the off-topic duscussion to a minimum and do not start another thread about this device.

If anyone has any questions or input please feel free to PM me.