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a few specific questions reguarding 2125.
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Posted by: dingobiatch

im buying the cingular 2125 tomorrow (well, i am unless i find out some horrible info right now hah), and need to know a few things.

first of all, i know about the hard-to-push power button - is it really that bad? do you get used to it?

second, how many smartphone programs are out there?
theres a few things im looking for:
1) a smartphone-designed web browser that can load full webpages, with as much javascript support as possible.
2) an AIM client (i know people haven't gotten AgileIM or whatever to work, whats the deal with this)
3) some decent games - actually, are there any smartphone ports of doom? emulators? etc?

and third,
i was going to wait for the 8125 to come out, but after seeing the 2125 in the store today, and how small it is, i want it more. i believe i can live without the wi-fi, assuming that EDGE is pretty fast (which is especially true on the 2125, no?). but how is the functionality? this will be my first smartphone, and ive only ever used one PDA - the hp 4145. is the fact that there is no touchscreen+stylus annoying? or is the navigation completely suited to one handed joystick use?

sorry, lots of questions, just really need to make sure its right for me before i buy it. (and i know theres a 30-day return policy, which is good. but can i return if i get the phone with a contract? do i have to get a different phone?)

EDIT: Another really important one. The Cingular shop im getting it from is saying $300 w/ contract. Wasn't it a whole lot less than that before? Is the price shooting up? I thought there was a deal when you have MediaNet Unlimited, but I can't find any information about it..

Posted by: xultar

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Originally Posted by dingobiatch

im buying the cingular 2125 tomorrow (well, i am unless i find out some horrible info right now hah), and need to know a few things.

first of all, i know about the hard-to-push power button - is it really that bad? do you get used to it?

second, how many smartphone programs are out there?
theres a few things im looking for:
1) a smartphone-designed web browser that can load full webpages, with as much javascript support as possible.
2) an AIM client (i know people haven't gotten AgileIM or whatever to work, whats the deal with this)
3) some decent games - actually, are there any smartphone ports of doom? emulators? etc?

and third,
i was going to wait for the 8125 to come out, but after seeing the 2125 in the store today, and how small it is, i want it more. i believe i can live without the wi-fi, assuming that EDGE is pretty fast (which is especially true on the 2125, no?). but how is the functionality? this will be my first smartphone, and ive only ever used one PDA - the hp 4145. is the fact that there is no touchscreen+stylus annoying? or is the navigation completely suited to one handed joystick use?

sorry, lots of questions, just really need to make sure its right for me before i buy it. (and i know theres a 30-day return policy, which is good. but can i return if i get the phone with a contract? do i have to get a different phone?)

EDIT: Another really important one. The Cingular shop im getting it from is saying $300 w/ contract. Wasn't it a whole lot less than that before? Is the price shooting up? I thought there was a deal when you have MediaNet Unlimited, but I can't find any information about it..

Why wouldn't you order it off the web? You can get better deals on the web.
I know the other thread is WAY to long so I don't have a problem giving my 2 cents.
Not many games yet WM 2k5 is new but check Handango for them.
Power button isn't that bad.
Joystick fine.
You'll have PIE just like on your iPaq. So, web is fine.
Let's put it this way. I've been a PDA user since the Newton back in the day. I'm just about to give up my ipaq 4355 for the 2125.

Posted by: dingobiatch

i dont think ill order off the web because its 300 dollars on the web, 300 dollars in the store. and also, the only way i can get it in time for a trip im going on tomorrow is by getting it from the store.

now, PIE isn't a good internet browser last time a checked, it doesn't support javascript at ALL, does it? im looking at opera mini, how is that?

but the really important thing i need to know right now is, if i go in and get the 2125 with a 2yr contract tomorrow, and i return the phone sometime in the next 30 days, do i still have to get another phone because of the contract? ive got an s710a, i would want to go back to that if i return the 2125 (at least until the 8125 comes out)

Posted by: dougdin

Read the mega thread titled
"The HTC/Cingular 2125 Smartphone thread (please read before starting add. threads)"
But skip to mid december when people started actually getting their hands on the 2125 and read from there on. You will find lots of information there about the Cingular 2125 phone.

Posted by: dingobiatch

i have quite a bit, probably missed a lot though. but does anybody know the answer to my question about returning a phone you get a 2yr contract on? i want to be able to return it and use my old phone, and not be under a contract anymore, possible?

also, is that $100 if-you-have-media-net-unlimited deal still on the 2125 if you order online with a 2 yr contract? cause.. i cant find it.

Posted by: dingobiatch

*bump* nobody knows? im really hoping someone responds, i need to make the decision on buying it or not by tomorrow afternoon..

Posted by: Fatman

The $100 rebate that you get access to will only work if you have unlimited data plan and 39.99 up voice plan or something like that...

It's a rebate that you mail in for and after 2 months I guess they mail you back two visa cards worth $50 each. you can get this in the store...

Posted by: dingobiatch

hmm... im still wondering if should go for this phone.. wait for the 8125.. or wait, now im wondering about the i-mate sp5... god this is annoying. i wish the 8125 would be reviewed. and does anybody have any input on the performance/functionality of the 2125 vs the sp5?

Posted by: Razor1973

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Originally Posted by dingobiatch

im buying the cingular 2125 tomorrow (well, i am unless i find out some horrible info right now hah), and need to know a few things...

Patience, my little rabbit. You were desperate because people were not answering your questions at 2:37 in the morning.

Even though I am a Symbian/Nokia guy, I have had the SMT5600 for a few weeks (no longer use it) and had the 2125 for 2 days (finally realized WM is not for me). However, I can always give an objective, impartial (yeah, right!) opinion. For what it's worth, here's what I think of what you have to ask.

No biggie with the power button. Besides, it's not like you're going to be using it 5 times a day. WM is not that bad.

Sorry, I'll try harder.

Opera Mini is nothing but a Java app. No SSL, which I believe you're looking for. I'd rather use PIE. If you were buying a Symbian phone, I could recomment Opera (full), Doris Browser, ThunderHawk or NetFront (my personal favorite). However, other than PIE, I don't think you have many choices with a WM handset, if any at all.

In fact --let's face it--, you don't have too many choices when it comes to software when you have a WM phone. Some. Just not a lot. Handango can be a good friend. It'll help you find out whether the software you need is available. Most of the available software (especially commercialized) is on there.

For an IM client, I can recommend AgileMessenger (free at some point), iMov (free) and IM+ (commercial). I used them all and they work well. Again, for Symbian, you also have VeriChat, Turbo MSN and many others.

As far as games, I cannot comment, as I don't use them. Never play on my phone. Go figure.

EDGE speeds vary by market. I personally average 85 kpbs downloads with my Nokia 6682, which is EDGE Class 10 (the fastest there is). I believe the 2125 has the same. However, you seem to be "settling" for EDGE since the 2125 doesn't have Wi-Fi. I'm sure you know EDGE is available virtually anywhere, whereas Wi-Fi is only good if you have an Internet-connected wireless server you have access to around. Apples and oranges.

As far as your fears about returning the phone, you have nothing to worry about. If you get it at a corporate store (as opposed to a third-party vendor which can also have the Cingular logo all over, so beware), you can always return it within 30 days and your contract will be voided. Absolutely no problem.

My personal advise... If you could live with a PDA-type phone stuck to your ear and really used its functionalities, I'd wait for the 8125 to come out. Otherwise, you'll probably feel you're missing something, i.e. features. There's also a lot more software for those than there is for phones.

Best of luck whatever you decide!

Posted by: dingobiatch

Hmm... thanks for the info. I really want to wait for the 8125. its just, uhh.. nobody even knows if its actually coming out? technical problems, delays, bla bla.

I haven't considered Symbian phones, what are the really good Symbian phones out there? And are there a good amount of programs out there for them? From a quick look on the web, the N80 seems pretty nice.

Posted by: Razor1973

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Originally Posted by dingobiatch

...what are the really good Symbian phones out there? And are there a good amount of programs out there for them? From a quick look on the web, the N80 seems pretty nice.

Sure, the N80 is very nice, but can you afford it? Cingular is not offering it. At least, any time soon. I don't think it's out either, just like the 8125.

Posted by: dingobiatch

___oh my god thats expensive___

nevermind. what are the good symbian phones that are no more than 500?

the nokia 9300i looks nice, but then again, if its not going to fit in my pocket (at all) then.. eh..

Posted by: Razor1973

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Originally Posted by dingobiatch

___oh my god thats expensive___

nevermind. what are the good symbian phones that are no more than 500?

Keep in mind that's a pre-order price. Once the phone has been out for a while, it will come down in price.

Also, keep in mind that when you're buying a phone unlocked, you're paying $150-$250 more than if you were to get it through Cingular with a 2-year contract or another provider. Collecting your monthly payment is how they make up for the discount they give you on equipment.

Can't you get a 6682 through Cingular?

Posted by: dingobiatch

ya but id rather get a phone w/ wifi. wait, is the p990 out? because.. ya thats a nice phone (from what ive read). i take it cingular doesn't have a version of it out??

Posted by: JMBrown

I do not believe the p990 is out yet. I may be wrong though.

Posted by: Razor1973

It isn't and I don't think it will be for a while. Yes, it's a really nice phone.

Posted by: dingobiatch

hmm.. wow i know im spazzing on different phones.. but what are blackberry's like? are they pure business or could i put things like guitar tuners, games, etc on em? they run symbian, no?

Posted by: JMBrown

No they run on BBs own OS...im pretty sure they are way more business oriented than you are looking for.

Posted by: dingobiatch

hmm.. well im interested in the 6682 as well as the 8125 right now. my dream would be a small 6682-sized phone, but with wifi and keyboard. ex. p990. lol

Posted by: bdc10

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Originally Posted by dingobiatch

The power button on this phone is a widely misunderstood thing. If you look really carefully (like with a magnifying glass or loop) you'll notice that the power 'button' isn't a button at all. It's just a bump in the plastic top part of the phone designed to make you want to push there. But, since the phone was clearly originally designed without the silly ice-scraper appendage, the actual switch is designed to be pressed down (like along the same plane that the screen is on).

So with this in mind, here are two hints:

1) Don't press the 'button' looking thing back, which is the direction you'd expect to press it based on its design. Instead, push down, towards the screen.

2) Notice that the 'button' isn't moving; rather the entire piece of plastic it's attached to is what moves. This means you needn't be so concerned about pushing the 'button', but instead can just press the whole plastic area around it down toward the screen.

I've found that once you understand how it works, it's actually pretty easy to use. But it can seem completely broken before you figure it out.

Hope this helps.

Posted by: dingobiatch

gotcha. well im still considering the 2125. im inbetween the 8125 and 2125 - the 8125 has wifi, a bigger screen, full windows mobile 5 (could use any available application/game). but the 2125 isn't nearly as bulky, supposedly has great reception (edge is fast, no? which would make up for the lack of wifi), and its a phone-pda, not a pda-phone. When is there going to be a 8125 type device, but with a normal phone keypad on the front with a hidden keyboard (or a treo-type keypad), and windows mobile 5, with wifi. oh, and a stylus. that would be my dream.

also, doesn't the 2125 have a much better battery life?

Posted by: lopezpm

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Originally Posted by dingobiatch

gotcha. well im still considering the 2125. im inbetween the 8125 and 2125 - the 8125 has wifi, a bigger screen, full windows mobile 5 (could use any available application/game). but the 2125 isn't nearly as bulky, supposedly has great reception (edge is fast, no? which would make up for the lack of wifi), and its a phone-pda, not a pda-phone. When is there going to be a 8125 type device, but with a normal phone keypad on the front with a hidden keyboard (or a treo-type keypad), and windows mobile 5, with wifi. oh, and a stylus. that would be my dream.

also, doesn't the 2125 have a much better battery life?

Hey, I just wanted to chime in and let you see where I was coming from. I had the Samsung SPH-I500 which in my opinion was the best PDA phone ever made. I loved the phone it did everything I wanted it to do. It had the touchscreen and instead of typing things in I would just write it down. I loved that. Plus the size and flip made it perfect. I thought I would really miss it when I came over to Cingular. I saw the 2125 and got it. I couldn't of picked a better phone. I love it. I don't even miss the touchscreen and Graffiti. Seriously, the 2125 is great. I have no regrets or second thoughts on this phone. I am happy with it. That being said it would take a long time doing long emails and documents on this phone, because the lack of keyboard. But then again it wouldn't be a small compact phone if it did. I only send quick emails, text messages, tasks and appointment entries. As far as WIFI goes, I don't want it or need in any phone, I don't understand what the big deal is. I have WIFI at work and at home and I would rather look at a big screen than my phone.
But anyway just wanted to give you my point of view. Good luck on your decision.

Posted by: JMBrown

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Originally Posted by dingobiatch

A word of caution regarding waiting for the 8125: It's hard to say how long you will be waiting...some say next week, others say april. Also, from what I've read, the 8125 has quite impressive battery life, especially for a PPC. As for me, I think I am going to ket a Qtek 9100 and keep my 2125 and carry which ever suites me most at the time.

Posted by: dingobiatch

i MIGHT consider getting a qtek 9100... but thats only if the major bugs that people have are fixed with this recent ROM. ive actually heard people its fixed the.. is it a gprs problem that people are having?

Posted by: JMBrown

I thought it was a speed issue...i have read that people's phones are far more responsive now. I'm not aware of any GRPS problem though?

Posted by: dingobiatch

I don't really know, I didn't look into ever. I thought it was something about how under certain conditions, GPRS wouldn't work until you turn the phone on and off..

Posted by: bdc10

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Originally Posted by dingobiatch

also, doesn't the 2125 have a much better battery life?

My experience is that the battery life on the 2125 is quite good. Windows Mobile _phone_ devices use a different power management model than _PDA_ type devices. The phone model is more efficient, and I understand that the PDAs will be switching to it in some future release.

Posted by: turtle2472

How can I get my ring tones on this thing? I have had the phone for a few days and just can't seem to figure it out. I do have a 512MB MiniSD in it. I changed my wallpaper with pics on it. I put my midi and mp3 ring tones on in the My Documents/My Sounds on the phone itself. Ideas? Thanks

PS...I tried to get through the Mega-thread but wasn't abel to pick out ring tones.