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Muscle Milk & Hardcore Hydroxy Cut
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Posted by: peen

A co worker recommended these two suppliments to me to go along with my exercises. im 5'9 170 lbs. My basic goal is to lose the "baby fat"

thats been with me forever and to put a little bit of muscle on and to get leaner.

any comments, suggestions. thanks.

Posted by: daveyp225

Hydroxy=bad. Any "diet pill" is the worst thing to take to lose a little fat. I can imagine if you were highly obese, but you are clearly not. Muscle milk is supposed to help you lose with diet and exercise. I reccomend it. I also reccomend taking in whey protein. In addition to these supplements, you should run often and lift to gain muscle (heavy weight, fewer reps). The more muscle you have the more calories you burn at any activity, even just sitting down watching TV.

Posted by: peen

cool thanks for the help. the guys at vitamin world werent really that helpful, any idea when i should take the muscle milk and how many days. also i was told high reps lighter weights..

im new at all this stuff. thanks man.

Posted by: hoytanga

DUDE...muscle milk aint for losing weight, its for building muscle = will make you heavy.

368 calories,18g of fat per serving = losing weight?

reading is fundamental...all the dude wants is to lose his baby fat, not gain muscle.

Hydroxycut is perfect if you just want to lose that baby fat. These pills are "glorified" caffeine pills which means they are basically pills for giving you an extra supply of energy which is perfect for you.

Also, if you intend to take any of these "fat-burners" I suggest you dont take anything with EPHEDRINE in it.

From personal experience, it helped me gain that extra energy but that came with hard work and good diet.

All you gotta do is have that perfect diet and CARDIO CARDIO CARDIO. I wouldnt really recommend you taking any supplements at this POINT.

any other questions throw it away here, dont ask the guy on top of you

Posted by: peen

thanks for the advice but i did say that i did want to add a little muscle, since some of my mass if from the fat. don't know if that made sense but you get the pictures. thanks...

Posted by: hoytanga

its advisable that you lose all the weight you wanna lose first then you build from there.

also, as i said, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, taking supplements wouldnt be advisable because people have a tendency to rely on supplements alone and they forget about a well BALANCED DIET and PROPER TRAINING. I would start supplementing after 3 months (or when you hit your desired weight). I trained myself first on how to eat properly and how to train properly (its been a year since i started serious gym-ing and i could still say im learning NEW STUFF). after then supplementing comes in as easy as 1-2-3 because i know the basic stuff already (proper diet/nutrition).

its a long process dude, no need to speed things up.

Posted by: daveyp225

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Originally Posted by hoytanga

DUDE...muscle milk aint for losing weight, its for building muscle = will make you heavy.

Muscle milk will enhance your matabolism if you follow the proper guidelines. Hence you will lose fat. 370 calories is nothing. It is easy to burn over 1000 calories in a single workout.

I also want to reccomend green tea (the tea, not the pill) to the OP as it also has a "matabolism-increasing" effect as well as beneficial antioxidants.

Posted by: hoytanga

"will enhance" - which would only mean "its not really its purpose"

there are different supplements for different goals...and losing weight isnt really matching with muscle milk. even those fools at GNC would know that.

here are supplements for losing fat:

http://bodybuilding.com/store/fatloss.htm

"It is easy to burn over 1000 calories in a single workout."

unless youre doing cardio the same day youre lifting.

recommended workouts are 1 hour workouts - 1.5 hours...anything more than that is over working which is more than bad for your muscles.

again, muscle milk ISNT for losing weight. the name speaks for itself.

Posted by: steva

the best thing to do is eat really clean and exercise. have a cheat day once a week. use almost any protein powder to get more protein in your diet. adding a fat-burner like Hydroxycut is good to lose fat, but it's comparable to many other fat-burners.

The thing you need most is dicipline.

Posted by: digital1986

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Originally Posted by hoytanga

DUDE...muscle milk aint for losing weight, its for building muscle = will make you heavy.

368 calories,18g of fat per serving = losing weight?

lmao +2 muscle milk isnt too great for "losing weight" there are lots better protein on calories and price out there! Ephedra will help you loose the weight, it was banned because of those deaths but look at how they died, not using it how it was intended, very dehydrated, and lots of other dumb reasons. Isnt it unbanned now?? ya it is haha

Posted by: hoytanga

Yeah, ephedra's unbanned now in the US but theres certain dosages that you should still follow.

One of my friend's friend died about 5 months ago. He was playing for a top university there in the US. He was an ephedra user and findings showed that it mightve been the cause for this death.

I dont know, but personally, I wouldnt try using it since theres tons of alternatives there.

And yes, the arguement still stands, Muscle Milk aint for losing weight.

Posted by: steva

I've used ephedrine/caffiene a number of times

20mg ephedrine
200mg caffiene
3x a day every second day for 6 weeks.

the best fatburner i've ever used.

Posted by: daveyp225

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Originally Posted by steva

I've used ephedrine/caffiene a number of times

20mg ephedrine
200mg caffiene
3x a day every second day for 6 weeks.

the best fatburner i've ever used.

You might as well be taking phen-phen.

Posted by: steva

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Originally Posted by daveyp225

You might as well be taking phen-phen.

tell that to everyone who takes cold medication and drink coffee in the same day.

Posted by: peen

okay, thanks for all the help guys. but im not trying to lose "weight" i don't care how much i weigh, as along as its good weight. im no pro at this, but from what i was told by the reps at the gnc store, muscle milk burns the fat, it doesnt store it and the hydroxy cut helps the fat burning.

with a healthy diet and exersise they say ill be in good shape. i've been on it for a week now and ive lost about 7 pounds. my face is tighter and my "belly" is shriking. but thanks alot guys.

Posted by: steva

yeah...these threads can egt off topic

sounds like you're doin' great. good luck.

Posted by: Rev. Voodoo

of course #1 is diet and exercise.....like has been stated here.

as for good supplements for lean muscle building....

Orastan-E from Gaspari is phenomenal, Ive had great results....but its useless if you're not lifting regularly.....

also a product called 'Ultimate Cycle' is great, or by itself the main component in the cycle 'Superdrol' is also outstanding...

but it depends on how serious you are, and what you are trying to do.....

This **** isn't for everyone, just giving my $0.02 from experience......

Posted by: daveyp225

peen, good job. However, if you continue to lose weight so fast, you might start getting a lot of excess skin. A friend of mine lost weight pretty fast (60 lbs in about 3 months) about 2 years ago (granted he didn't exercise much, just smoked pot). He still isn't "skinny" appearence-wise even though he's 6'1 and about 155lbs. If you start noticing this slow down a bit or see a dermatoligist that can give you meds to tighten your skin.

Posted by: steva

with peen's wieght, I doubt he'll have to deal with skin problems. the majority of the weight loss is probably water.

Posted by: hoytanga

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with a healthy diet and exersise they say ill be in good shape. i've been on it for a week now and ive lost about 7 pounds. my face is tighter and my "belly" is shriking. but thanks alot guys.

continue for 2 months. your doing awesome. you dont need supplements, i see that you can get focused. that's all you need.

as for your food, eat 6 small meals a day instead of 3. - what this does is it sparks up your metabolism. basically what youre doing is your telling your body to burn more fat/cals---and your metabolism will improove. get ready for 2-3 more extra bowel movements tho. spread the 6 small meals btw.

Posted by: digital1986

Quote:

Originally Posted by steva

I've used ephedrine/caffiene a number of times

20mg ephedrine
200mg caffiene
3x a day every second day for 6 weeks.

the best fatburner i've ever used.

exactly you take it safely so it will not do you hard. My point is proven lol. All the people that died did something wrong with taking it or activity wise. You think you wont die if you overdose with ephedra and workout???? ummm YES

Posted by: skier2001_69

try Iso-Carbs its the same as muscle milk except less fat, carbs, i think almost the same caleries though.

Posted by: Rev. Voodoo

with the ephedra and caffeine stack, add an aspirin. The blood thinning properties boost the effectiveness.

Again, as has been emphasized....use properly.......

Posted by: Becks7

i've said it once and i'll say it again, Muscle Milk was originally developped as dog food. The saturated fat content is extremely high and the macro profile is effed

Posted by: Realgone

Isagenix has the best weight loss program with protein shakes and supplements.
Isagenix

Posted by: Kristenp84

Just my opinion - I am a 23 year old woman who works out at least 4 or 5 days a week (cardio, core and strength training) I've lost over 100 lbs. in the past 18 months utilizing the old fashion diet and exercise technique. I still would like to lose another 10 or so pounds and recently added Muscle Milk to my diet. I replace breakfast with it or take it right before I go to the gym and then I don't eat anything for at least 45 minutes after I'm done training. I'll tell you from a user's standpoint, it has worked great for me...the calories are NOT bad at all considering 2 slices of whole wheat bread have almost 250 calories. The fat content is high, I understand, but RESEARCH because 80% of the saturated fat is in the form of MCT (Medium Chain Triglycerides) and several studies haven PROVEN that MCT's will aid in the loss of Adipose Tissue (aka saggy FAT tissue in your body)...so a diet richer in MCT's (good fat) rather than LCT's (bad fat) will help you lose weight. Muscle Milk is not bad and it is fine to use whether you are gaining mass, gaining lean muscle or trying to maintain muscle/weight.

I don't know why anyone on here told you to lose weight first then lift that's just ridiculous...I've lost, like I said, over 100 pounds by eating a high protein, high fiber, low saturated (LCT) fat diet with the combination of medium intensity cardio and strength training... More Muscle = More Calorie Burn

I would even recommend by MCT oil to replace your standard cooking oil (Although, olive oil is GREAT too...but MCT oil can, like I said aid in the reduction of fat tissue)

You have to have a good understanding of fats (good and bad)...An avocado for example has something like 34g of Fat in a medium sized piece...34g!!!! That's more than a super size French Fry. But they are 90% or more "good fats" monounsaturated and polyunsaturated. You have to research and learn if you really want to do it the right way.

If I could recommend anything to anyone trying to lose weight in a somewhat quickly, healthy, EASY way...Please read the Abs Diet by David Zincenko (Editor of Men's Health Magazine)

Posted by: schaft

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Originally Posted by Becks7

i've said it once and i'll say it again, Muscle Milk was originally developped as dog food. The saturated fat content is extremely high and the macro profile is effed

Ok you are not correct...maybe the old muscle milk was bad...i have the new formula...12g fat total, only 6 g saturated...thats is not extremely high....do research ok?

and ephedra is banned substance that is proven to cause hear failure...why would u recommend that to someone?

thats just irresponsible... 12 g of fat is nothing for muscle milk...come on guys giuve correct info.. jesus. YOu like telling people to explode their heart...

Posted by: schaft

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Originally Posted by daveyp225

Hydroxy=bad. Any "diet pill" is the worst thing to take to lose a little fat. I can imagine if you were highly obese, but you are clearly not. Muscle milk is supposed to help you lose with diet and exercise. I reccomend it. I also reccomend taking in whey protein. In addition to these supplements, you should run often and lift to gain muscle (heavy weight, fewer reps). The more muscle you have the more calories you burn at any activity, even just sitting down watching TV.

are u seriously...educated ur self dude...muscle milk is the furthest thing u want to loose fat...it builds fat dude...come on man it also has more protien than any whey u will buy...i hope u dont follow ur own adivise

some people... im never coming back here u guys dont knwo wtf u are taking about....well some of u

Posted by: jeep brah

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rev. Voodoo

of course #1 is diet and exercise.....like has been stated here.

as for good supplements for lean muscle building....

Orastan-E from Gaspari is phenomenal, Ive had great results....but its useless if you're not lifting regularly.....

also a product called 'Ultimate Cycle' is great, or by itself the main component in the cycle 'Superdrol' is also outstanding...

but it depends on how serious you are, and what you are trying to do.....

This **** isn't for everyone, just giving my $0.02 from experience......

Hey guru, thanks for recommending steroids (superdrol) to members of a cell phone forum.

****tard.

Posted by: schaft

OK jeep brah is right
THIS IS A CELL PHONE forums

90% of the people talking about this subject are just uneducated

You are getting shaky/side affects wth hydroxycut because u are not taking as directed...dont sayt u are if u were u wouldnt get that.

START WITH 1 a day NOT 3...DRINK 120 oz of water a day AS DIRECTEd...guess what DONT FING RUN when u take 3 hydroxycut

IF YOU DO, MONITOR YOUR heart rate...it WILL kill u

3 hydroxycut+running =170 beats per miniute = bye bye you

READ READ READ...and i dont mean read here...read on a muscle building forum not here guys.

the best thing to do is READ THE BOTTTLE it says what to do ....

seriuosuly if u do what these people are telling you to, u WILL kill urself.

taking ephedra? and recommending steroids...man thats just plain IGNORANT. EDUCATE YOURSELF dont let uneducated people tell u what to do

someone needs to delete this whole thread before someone gets killed.

Posted by: Jeenyus

He may be taking Hydroxycut Hardcore which the recommended dosage is 3 caps, twice a day. Even starting out to assess tolerance, they say 2 caps per day. 3 caps of it contains 300mg of caffeine along with yohimbine. That's more than enough stims to make a person shaky if they aren't a very heavy stimulant user. That's as much caffeine as almost 4 Red Bulls at once.

Fat loss pills are almost worthless in my opinion, and not worth the money or anxious feeling you get while on them. Nothing will work better than a clean diet with a well set up exercise program.